From what I've heard, there is no JUMP next week.
Chapter 510 "Straw Hat Crew vs. Combat Weapon" Discussion
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No one complaining how the CP9 cover story is taking a turn from th boring to the obvious.
especialy when it was already done in the Cover stories.
so where are the people said Enels was BORING ?
God, are you seriously complaining that people aren't complaining enough? If you don't like it that's fine, there's no need to try and start a big BAWWWWWWW party.
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I'm a lil disappointed that it took the whole crew to take out the kuma robot. I'm pretty sure Kidd took it out by his self.
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Well I just see no point in having the extra arms if they aren't being used. If he was slashing nine times he would just do that and he has before, that is what makes me believe that those extra appendages are not just images.
We'll be able to tell when he uses it on an opponents and blocks their attacks, that should give us clarity.Pretty sure zoro has never slashed somebody 9x in a single instant. As in the 9th slash connects at the same time as the first. The arms are just a way of representing that.
I guess we'll know when he finally fights a swordsman on his level, but my first thought was that Asura was just a dramatized version of Kenshin's move, not Oda giving him a Robin-like ability.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
I'm a lil disappointed that it took the whole crew to take out the kuma robot. I'm pretty sure Kidd took it out by his self.
His ability is designed to fuck up robots! That's like saying "I'm disappointed that that everybody got pwned by Eneru. Luffy did it all by himself." Plus we don't know how they took out the Pacifista. I wouldn't doubt it if they did worse than the Mugiwaras, since they had no clue as to what Kuma's abilities are and what to expect. And I'm also sure that Law didn't sit that fight out.@Ryuksgelus:
Pretty sure zoro has never slashed somebody 9x in a single instant. As in the 9th slash connects at the same time as the first. The arms are just a way of representing that.
I guess we'll know when he finally fights a swordsman on his level, but my first thought was that Asura was just a dramatized version of Kenshin's move, not Oda giving him a Robin-like ability.
That one way to see it, but I just don't share your view. There is nothing wrong with Zoro growing four arms. And his Hachi speech was trying to say that it doesn't matter how many swords you have if your base skills aren't better than your opponent's. Also he said that his swords where better because they carried a bigger burden. So, in short, More Swords can equal more power if you know how to use your swords better than the opponent uses their weapon, be it a sword or anything.
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To MonkeyDMalcolm:
You sure? From the little we saw of the one fighting Kidd, it was taking all of the members that he had with him and they still looked like they weren't doing so hot. This just shows us how powerful the enemies in the future will be. These Kumabots are obviously mass produced on some level to take care of other pirates when the real Kuma is doing important work. I think it's a good way to show us just how powerful these guys really are.
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People look for action and when they get one they complain:getlost:
BTW is it established that there will be no manga next week?I think the Kumabots are like the terminators, u know flesh over metal… I think Brooke just got unlucky and hit the part where there was no flesh and the metal just sticking out.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/07/
oh as for Asura I think its just an illusion just like Luffy moving his arms fast for the gattling gun.
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I think the Kumabots are like the terminators, u know flesh over metal.
Or maybe it's the other way around.
@CNet:
Franky: He's the same as me - modified all over with all kinds of weaponry, but underneath it all, he's originally human!!
@Xophien:
Franky: His body was just rebuilt as a weapon, just like me… before that he was originally a human!!
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And you bolded those words because…....?
I wanted to emphasize areas of my post. Mainly because people tend to roll over posts, so seeing something in bold is like candy and they end up reading it. I wanted to emphasize what Brooke did so you wouldn't miss it, and I wanted to emphasize that both Chopper and Franky – not just Chopper, and not just Franky -- did something more or less useless. To make sure you got the 'and'. So you would know that I, in fact, do like all of it despite all of that. I was just defending Brooke and joking anyways…...
Kids, remember to cite your sources when making claims, just like uncle brennen.exe does!
Congratulations on missing one of my most sarcastic posts ever…..until this one.
edit: ps - I am not an uncle yet, just a daddy.
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Ok, but how did Vegapunk made them look like Kuma?
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I was also glad to see the rest of the crew in on the fight after originally hiding. Sentoumaru just saved Hawkins. Looks like his calculation was correct. Cool chapter. I enjoyed it!
EDIT: With Vegapunk being such a smart guy I'm sure that it wouldn't be hard to make multiple robots to look like each other.
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Ok, but how did Vegapunk made them look like Kuma?
He called up Dr. Robert Rey
! LOL, even though he specializes in tummy tucks and breast implants…
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I was talking about how they were humans, then turned into cyborgs who look like Kuma. Unless there was plastic surgery involved…lol
It makes sense to me that they were robots based on Kuma and then put flesh over them hence the bleeding.
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People look for action and when they get one they complain:getlost:
BTW is it established that there will be no manga next week?I think the Kumabots are like the terminators, u know flesh over metal… I think Brooke just got unlucky and hit the part where there was no flesh and the metal just sticking out.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/07/
oh as for Asura I think its just an illusion just like Luffy moving his arms fast for the gattling gun.
No. If that's true than explains this entire page.
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Right Bark. I doubt that they are humans, as Franky said. In fact, I just made a post about this in the Pacifista thread. Probably just robots with fake blood to fool other people into thinking that it is the real Kuma. I mean, the public would probably be shocked at knowing that the Gov. is producing several copies of one of the Shichibukai.
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LOL flapping his arms like a chicken…lol
just joking...
Wait so some people think that Zoro grows arms and 2 more heads?
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LOL flapping his arms like a chicken…lol
just joking...
whoa that brings back bad memories of idiots who tried to convice me that Zoro was flapping his arm, it pissed me off soo much, it was just the stupidest thing.
Zoro well is a great fighter and i seriously don't see how luffy will never find out what Zoro did for him, also i believe this or fishman arc will be a arc mainly for Zoro and his fully recovery as well as his ascending to the next lvl of strength
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
I'm a lil disappointed that it took the whole crew to take out the kuma robot. I'm pretty sure Kidd took it out by his self.
I'm sure Luffy and the others could have taken him down individually, they;d just have a much harder time and it was just the natural thing to do for them to just work together and beat him.
Oh and the combos were awesome =D
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I'm sure Luffy and the others could have taken him down individually, they;d just have a much harder time and it was just the natural thing to do for them to just work together and beat him.
Oh and the combos were awesome =D
are u confused?
only the top 3 would have been able to take these clones alone (doubting Zoro due to health condition)
All the others preety much had no affect what so ever
also kid couldn't take the clone by himself that probally why oda got law helping him out
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Anyone notice that Kizaru creates a sort of light 'path' before striking Apoo?
Could this mean that he needs to create those before travelling long distances? or that it's simply to attack faster? (Maybe his Light Logia has special 'rules' like Blackbeard's does(It'd be an interesting parallel))
I for one think it would way too broken if he could simply 'teleport' everywhere(But then again, Enel could, but Luffy was his natural enemy so it did'nt really matter).
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So wait, people don't get from this page:Here that Vegapunk cloned Kuma? Cause that's what I'm getting.
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Kizaru has an incredibly strong ability. But we know Blackbeard could take Kizaru, no problem.
I think the whole crew fighting Kuma was just a way for everyone to get their limelight. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji could have handled Kuma without any major problem, but Oda tried to squeeze everyone in. We all know Usopp and Nami aren't the most affective fighters and normally wouldn't do shit to Kuma with their attacks. I think Kumabots are around as strong as the original Kuma, who is a lot stronger than Crocodile, who could take any attack from Nami or Usopp without using his ability.
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Blackbeard is strong, but you have to remember that his DF makes him take the full force of any blows he receives. It's probable that the sheer destructive power of the laser attack could knock him out before he could completely absorb Kizaru. He's not like a reject dial; he can't take infinite damage. Then again, what he does absorb doesn't seem to hurt him on the way out, and is amplified.
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@Fire Fist:
Blackbeard is strong, but you have to remember that his DF makes him take the full force of any blows he receives. It's probable that the sheer destructive power of the laser attack could knock him out before he could completely absorb Kizaru. He's not like a reject dial; he can't take infinite damage. Then again, what he does absorb doesn't seem to hurt him on the way out, and is amplified.
Now, you're saying that like Blackbeard can't take a few hits. Wasn't he stabbed by fire during his match with Ace? The weakness of his logia is very overrated. Also, he doesn't need to "completely absorb Kizaru," he can just remove his logia immunity.
Not to say anything on Blackbeard vs. Kizaru. That fight could go either way.
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Am i the only one who said "Dayummmmmmmmm" outloud when Kizaru smashed Apoo down that building?
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Am i the only one who said "Dayummmmmmmmm" outloud when Kizaru smashed Apoo down that building?
No, I said it too. That shit was pretty intense.
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So does this chapter OFFICALLY end the Hawkins is a logia debate? He got pretty much shot through.
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There were a handfull of panels that I liked this time around. The one with Kizaru's foot an inch away from Drake's stoic face, Kuma Bot #2 getting his jaw chomped down, his glowy Terminator eyes behind the focusing lenses…
I hope we see some indication of how Law and Kidd's fight with Kuma/Kuma Bot #1 is going next chapter, because it's been about a month since we've seen them, and I'm curious to see how they're doing, and if their Kuma is the real deal or not.
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There was never a debate. Kizaru himself stopped that the first time he shot him.
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Anyone notice that Kizaru creates a sort of light 'path' before striking Apoo?
Could this mean that he needs to create those before travelling long distances? or that it's simply to attack faster? (Maybe his Light Logia has special 'rules' like Blackbeard's does(It'd be an interesting parallel))
I for one think it would way too broken if he could simply 'teleport' everywhere(But then again, Enel could, but Luffy was his natural enemy so it did'nt really matter).
Sorry if I sound a bit pushy, but anyone want to comment(or critise) on this?
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Interesting. I don't fully understand it, but interesting. Personally, seeing all these major techniques and a good Pacifista bashing was enough for me. Seeing the remaining SN's get taken down by Kizaru was pretty enjoyable too!
Actually my bad… once I saw a scanlation, that one page with Kizaru and Sentomaru talking actually interested me. Chapters without a cliffhanger are sort of boring to me, and that was the cliffhanger in itself. I wonder who Kizaru is after next. Atleast those supernovas who got beaten up now aren't going to go to jail or anything.
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Sorry if I sound a bit pushy, but anyone want to comment(or critise) on this?
I don't think so because he just Soru'd back to Drake to kick him in the face. I think that maybe that he did that just to blind Apoo and then traveled through the light to get to him but I don't think it is a requirement for long distance travel.
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Great chapter,too bad that Apoo and X Drake are defeated
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I don't think they're down for long, they will probably be back in action in two chapters.
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Man there's such a large gap between Admiral Supernova Rear admiral (Drake's old ranking) and Yonkou. I don't see how the SHP can continue on their journey with out a major strength upgrade. They way kizaru owned the Nova captain is the same way Aokiji owned the SHP. As it stand now none of the Supernovas can hold up in the new world expect for maybe Kidd.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Man there's such a large gap between Admiral Supernova Rear admiral (Drake's old ranking) and Yonkou. I don't see how the SHP can continue on their journey with out a major strength upgrade. They way kizaru owned the Nova captain is the same way Aokiji owned the SHP. As it stand now none of the Supernovas can hold up in the new world except for maybe Kidd.
Biased much? What makes you think that Kidd is any better than Drake or even Hawkins for that matter?
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Man there's such a large gap between Admiral Supernova Rear admiral (Drake's old ranking) and Yonkou. I don't see how the SHP can continue on their journey with out a major strength upgrade. They way kizaru owned the Nova captain is the same way Aokiji owned the SHP. As it stand now none of the Supernovas can hold up in the new world expect for maybe Kidd.
you're an imbecile…
NONE of the supernovas could hold up in the new world except for kidd?
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Wait. Four made of eighty or twenty. Because I remember people stating that she couldn't make more than One- Hundred fleurs. If it's eighty then, TAKE THAT BITCHES!!
Robin can only sprout her body parts from a distance of 200 hana hanas.
That's all that was ever said. As it stands, she has no limit of how much she can sprout.
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As I look at how the Strawhats take care Kumabot, and compare it to how Hawkins, Drake, Apoo, and Urouge take care Kumabot, there is a fundamental difference that lead the Strawhats to success, and the others to failure: teamwork. Hawkins, Drake, Apoo, and Urouge each used their best moves to attack, but did nothing to help each other out. The Strawhats protected each other while attacking Kumabot whenever he's open to attack. No one was seriously injured.
Kizaru played a huge role in the failure of the 4 captains obviously, by stealing the whole show by taking them down one by one. If Kizaru and the Pacifista fought the Strawhats instead, the Strawhats can't win, but still could have a chance to escape.
We haven't seen the conclusion to Kidd's and Law's dilemma so can't say much about their success or failure.
Capone and Bonney aren't having any trouble so far, so they're okay for now.
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As I look at how the Strawhats take care Kumabot, and compare it to how Hawkins, Drake, Apoo, and Urouge take care Kumabot, there is a fundamental difference that lead the Strawhats to success, and the others to failure: teamwork. Hawkins, Drake, Apoo, and Urouge each used their best moves to attack, but did nothing to help each other out. The Strawhats protected each other while attacking Kumabot whenever he's open to attack. No one was seriously injured.
Kizaru played a huge role in the failure of the 4 captains obviously, by stealing the whole show by taking them down one by one. If Kizaru and the Pacifista fought the Strawhats instead, the Strawhats can't win, but still could have a chance to escape.
We haven't seen the conclusion to Kidd's and Law's dilemma so can't say much about their success or failure.
Capone and Bonney aren't having any trouble so far, so they're okay for now.
No *. Obviously 1 crew is gonna work together better than 4 captains of different crews who dont even know/like/trust each other. How easily we forget that luffy was trying to show off against law and kidd just a few chaps ago. If it had been law/kidd and luffy vs. kizaru and a kuma bot and Drake/Apoo/Hawkins and urogue vs. kumabot it would have turned out the same way.
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@Mad:
Robin can only sprout her body parts from a distance of 200 hana hanas.
That's all that was ever said. As it stands, she has no limit of how much she can sprout.
I know that:getlost: Its just that people were stating that she could only sprout up to 100 arms and I know that to be false, so I'm looking for proof.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Man there's such a large gap between Admiral Supernova Rear admiral (Drake's old ranking) and Yonkou. I don't see how the SHP can continue on their journey with out a major strength upgrade. They way kizaru owned the Nova captain is the same way Aokiji owned the SHP. As it stand now none of the Supernovas can hold up in the new world expect for maybe Kidd.
You do know that all the characters you named are powerhouses of each respective side right? So your assumption that the Strawhats aren't "ready" for the New World is sorely mistaken. Guys like Aokiji, Borsalino, Whitebeard and Shanks aren't the average marines or pirates respectively that one would run into during a journey through the New World. The standard isn't set by the characters I've mentioned since they are so far above it.
Besides, everyone of the Supernovas and their crews, Luffy's included, was set on avoiding confrontation against whichever Admiral was going to arrive as soon as Luffy punched Charloss. Using a loss against an Admiral as a basis for what you've stated is frankly idiotic.
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@Mad:
Robin can only sprout her body parts from a distance of 200 hana hanas.
That's all that was ever said. As it stands, she has no limit of how much she can sprout.
Its possible that it means 80 arms broken into 4 big arms, so 20 arms each. It makes sense. And this way, she doesn't exceed 100
80 Fleur: 4 Arms
EDIT: I wanna add that I think its funny how Apoo's arms look when he runs. It kinda looks like his arms are flailing behind him like they're broken and useless.
Did anyone else mention that Kizaru's laser against Basil was really more of an arrow and didnt cause an explosion…....ha! Light arrow! Kizaru can now defeat Ganondorf....I feel like playing Ocarina of Time now. Also, I love Hawkin's face at the bottom of PG 7. "Come on, shoot me ya Mofo!"
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Wow this chapter was awesome. I don't usually comment in this section but I just had to say that. My guess is the Supernova decided for a tactical retreat and are playing dead. For now. The best part of this chapter though was the awesome Strawhat team up. Oda seems to really be enjoying having the entire group go up against one opponent- guess that shows that even the strongest foe can be taken down if you have complete trust in those you're fighting along side. Can't wait to see what goes down the week after next.
A few things that I didn't like about the chapter…
-Asura. I'm in the boat that thinks it's kind of ridiculous. Then again, I always found Santoryuu as kind of gimmicky and lame. Santoryuu only started to grow on me after the Kaku fight (probably because of the fact that he used 9 sword suddenly).-
Gear 3rd. Why is it being used so much lately? I think it's a pretty interesting power up, and I guess I can understand its use over Gear 2nd, but still seems kind of odd that Luffy would ramp up his punch that far even against such an opponent. And I wonder why he used Rifle with it this time- seems like Bazooka would've been better- guess he didn't want to make his other thumb sore, lol.
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As for the lamening of the cover story, I just have to say that it was expected- generally these stories last for around 40 chapters, and get longer and longer. You can't expect them to stay amusing forever, and the only cover story I've found consistently amusing from beginning to end was the Coby/Helmeppo one.
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Biased much? What makes you think that Kidd is any better than Drake or even Hawkins for that matter?
kid has someone strong in his crew with killer
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I think Oda is trying to change the strawhat's special attacks(Asura, Gears, Diable jump, Kabuto(?), etc) into just their "normal" attack rotation.
You know, rather than just final moves, they'll be mixed with their old and new attacks from now on.
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Kizaru is making ta Supernova's look like nothing…and yet its taking all the Shichibukai and ta other two Admirals jus ta fight one Yonkou and his crew, the Yonkou must really be something...
Anyways good chapter!
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Franky is talking about the pacifista kuma bleeding from the inside even though they're made of solid steel,just like a himself.But originally was a human before being transformed.
In my opinion, that was one of the most interesting parts of the chapter. It got me thinking (always a dangerous thing…) -- who are the humans inside these bots? And do they know that they're inside, and do they want to be inside …
It could go two ways --
(1) The humans inside are a bunch of grunt Marines who were eager to be modified with superhero powers so they could improve their positions and reputations (I mean, who wouldn't jump at the chance to have super strong plate armor, laser weaponry and the opportunity to be part of an Admiral's elite force?
or …it could be the opposite:
(2) The humans inside are grunt Marines who were tricked into letting their bodies be "borrowed" for an experiment, or they are prisoners from Impel Down who were forced to be Dr Vegapunk's guinea pigs on pain of death or some unimaginable torture.
I'm thinking that Franky may hold the key for how to defeat these guys. Since he has so much in common with them, he may be able to figure out their weaknesses based on his own (maybe they run on coffee, not cola...). Or it could go the opposite way, where he feels sympathy for them because they're human after all, like him.
@Ali:
Brook seems to like falling from the sky, he always falls somehow from the sky. He now uses his destiny to attack, great!
Ha! That's a good way to put it. Since he's destined to fall a lot, he may as well use it to his advantage!
So wait, people don't get from this page:Here that Vegapunk cloned Kuma? Cause that's what I'm getting.
He replicated Kuma's body, but, to me at least, the bigger – more threatening -- news is that he replicated some of Kizaru's DF power. That's where the laser ability comes from. It's just the body that's from Kuma.
But assuming that the real Kuma was the one encountered on Thriller Bark, then he seems also to have received a replication of Kizaru's DF power. In addition to his own Paw Paw power. So if I'm understanding this correctly, then it's now possible for a character to have more than one DF power: the power he has from swallowing a DF fruit, and an incomplete -- but still powerful -- version of another person's DF that's been grafted somehow.
Whoa...
Let's hope Drake survives. He's our best source of information about what's currently going on in Vegapunk's lab.
Also, I'm personally guessing Kizaru is running on limited time right to catch them so the only thing that I can see calling him back is orders to return to Marine HQ in preparation against the Whitebeard Pirates, which has a decent chance of happening and coincidentally end up saving one of the Supernovas.
I think it will save them all actually. I mean, the four are obviously thrashed, but if they get an opening like that, their crews can whisk them away to their boats and – assuming the coatings are already completed -- sail them to safety (or at least to the next island). And that would also buy some time for the Mugiwara, so that they can heal a bit and lie low for another day or two.
As we've seen the majority of other pirate crews in the Grand Line, they rely solely on the strength of the captain and some of these Supernovas' crews are no exception. Strong subordinates are key in becoming a major force in the New World, and it's in this fact that the Strawhat crew are clearly number one.
Good point!
Well, at least Law's got his teddy bear to back him. ;)Also Zoro's situation, everyone here knew his encounter with Kuma in Thriller Bark would affect him in upcoming arcs.
Well, they do now …
:ninja:no, seriously, it was a hard sell. Many people didn't think that Zoro's second encounter with a Shichibukai should carry the same emotional weight or consequences as his first. I'm glad Oda thought otherwise.
And hey, have you noticed how Zoro keeps clutching that same spot on his chest where Kuma's first pain ball hit him? Maybe that little pain ball was a more concentrated form, and having hit him in a smaller area, caused more damage than the larger pain ball did.
[As always, my thanks to the providers of our scans and trans.]