Well, we know Luffy will be able to hand the physical attacks Kizaru dishes out, but those lasers will definitely be a problem.
And then there is the whole problem with how to actually hurt Kizaru, haha. I'm excited to see what Oda has come up with
Well, we know Luffy will be able to hand the physical attacks Kizaru dishes out, but those lasers will definitely be a problem.
And then there is the whole problem with how to actually hurt Kizaru, haha. I'm excited to see what Oda has come up with
Luffy quickly needs a power up otherwise he won't be able to keep up with the strong oponents. At this stage the gear moves are lame. Kizaru is a freak. I mean he doesn't even need a ship to travel on the sea. He travel all the Grand line at the speed of light in seconds. If true that will be a little weird. Kizaru will then be able to easily travel to raftel alone and search for the one piece or stuff like that. Maybe that there is on the grand line a place where you devil fruits abilities are erased. Maybe that there is a way to definitely remove a DF out of someone. I'm waiting to see what luffy will be able to do without his gum gum abilities. Anyway cool chapter. If kizaru will meet the SH then they are definitely lost. Let's hope that they can hide themselve.
Sanji does seem to be less aggressive towards Zoro, and they've been working together nicely since Odz' fight.
I think that incident where both men stepped up for their captain will create a new relationship between Zoro and Sanji. I think it's mostly down to Zoro being the sacrifice instead of Sanji, and Sanji feels bad that Zoro had to step up. Also Sanji realises that Zoro went through some tough shit that night.
2 things I have to say about this chapter.
1. I bet that in the future KiZaru vs Sanji. His icking technique is amazing.
2. Sanji seemed that he tried to protect Zoro that he can recover. What a fine move.
Normally I'm against character/fan speculation, but I can see number 1 occur as well. There are too many coincidences in their characters…
Both kick. Sanji's the "black leg" while Kizaru is a light logia. And Sanji in my opinion has always been a speed oriented fighter. Sanji's "Diable Jambe" even makes his feet glow with a blinding light.
Of course, for now Kizaru's probably stronger then the whole crew combined.
^ that just got me thinking, there's the monster trio and theres three admirals, maybe towards the end each of the monster trio gets an admiral to fight, if the next admiral is a swordsman i'm definitely sticking to this theory.
^ that just got me thinking, there's the monster trio and theres three admirals, maybe towards the end each of the monster trio gets an admiral to fight, if the next admiral is a swordsman i'm definitely sticking to this theory.
did the ice guy use a ice sword
and since we know know that he wasn't nessarily the strongest of the 3
who knows
I dont care if Kizaru has a logia fruit or not. I think Kizarus physical strength is mostly due to his own power and not the Light fruit. So, even without his powers, he can still kick people like Drake and Apoo and Urouge through buildings.
Doubtful.
From his own dialogue, it's pretty blatant that he's using his abilities to amp up his kicks.
"Ever been kicked at the speed of light?"
He might have still been a heavy hitter before eating it, but I doubt he'd still be able to pull off his kicks of doom without the fruit.
did the ice guy use a ice sword
For about five seconds, yes.
^ that just got me thinking, there's the monster trio and theres three admirals, maybe towards the end each of the monster trio gets an admiral to fight, if the next admiral is a swordsman i'm definitely sticking to this theory.
No one but Robin should be allowed to fight Akainu.
well if kizaru meets the strawhats, then we can be pretty sure that rayleigh will interfere to rescue luffy and co. i think
Kind of a boring chapter. Oda really knows how to run unique attacks into the ground, all of the Enies Lobby power ups are used so frequently now they're not even exciting anymore. Anyone remember how Luffy used GEAR 3 which endangers his life against a bunch of paltry Marines while everyone was escaping from the auction house?
I think he only did that to show off in front of the other captains. That fight was sort of like an instant rivalry showcase. Besides, it's better than seeing chracters getting their asses kicked and saving the strongest attacks for last like other series do.
But overall, I think it only shortens his life if he overdoes it to his limit, like the end of TB.
Anyone remember how Luffy used GEAR 3 which endangers his life against a bunch of paltry Marines while everyone was escaping from the auction house?
Dude, Gear 3 is the safe-to-use, funny Popeye mode. The serious life-shortening crap is gear 2.
@Fire Fist:
No one but Robin should be allowed to fight Akainu.
Why…
Robin's fear of the Buster Call has been alleviated already. Besides, Akainu wasn't the only Vice-Admiral involved so it's not like he'd have a major confrontation with Robin. Hell Aokiji was the one who took out Saul but you don't see Robin hating the man.
Kind of a boring chapter. Oda really knows how to run unique attacks into the ground, all of the Enies Lobby power ups are used so frequently now they're not even exciting anymore. Anyone remember how Luffy used GEAR 3 which endangers his life against a bunch of paltry Marines while everyone was escaping from the auction house?
They're up against, in their eyes, a Shichibukai and they know that an Admiral has been sent to hunt them down. Of course they're going to want to take care of the Pacifista as quickly as possible. They don't have the luxury of taking their time and stay in one spot. They've got to be constantly on the move as to not be found by anyone who is set on capturing them, Kizaru mainly. Considering they've got three days to wait out before they have the option of moving on ahead without being able to go back to the thousand Sunny.
Also it's obvious Luffy used Gear 3rd to show off since both Kidd and Law were there. Not like it's out of character for Luffy to not want to be showed up by other captains telling him to "sit this one out." What does it matter anyway considering it's only been used four times, and we've seen Diable Jambe three times and Asura-based techniques twice, all against strong opponents other than the Auction House incident but I've already addressed that.
Why…
Robin's fear of the Buster Call has been alleviated already. Besides, Akainu wasn't the only Vice-Admiral involved so it's not like he'd have a major confrontation with Robin. Hell Aokiji was the one who took out Saul but you don't see Robin hating the man.
But Saul was her friend, briefly. Akainu, in retrospect, took out her entire clan in one action. Sure, most of those people were mean and abusive toward her, but they were her fellow Oharans. Even Aokiji specifically said that Akainu went way too far during the attack.
I know she's made peace with the Buster Call, but it's up in the air if she's made peace with the death of innocent lives.
^you could be right,but I think Robin only really cared about the archaeologists and her mom…
It could be possible that she wants to revenge her country men/women , but I didn´t see any sign that she holds a grudge against Akainu .
But who knows,perhaps when she sees him she´s gonna go "emo" and remember the people he killed.
@Fire Fist:
But Saul was her friend, briefly. Akainu, in retrospect, took out her entire clan in one action. Sure, most of those people were mean and abusive toward her, but they were her fellow Oharans. Even Aokiji specifically said that Akainu went way too far during the attack.
I know she's made peace with the Buster Call, but it's up in the air if she's made peace with the death of innocent lives.
And fighting Akainu somehow does that…
Right before Akainu blew that ship up they refused letting her on the thing in the first place. The only people that didn't treat her like a monster were the archaeologists and all of them had already been rounded up by Spandine. The big fear she had, the Buster Call, has been removed so saying Robin fighting an Admiral(which I already think is ridiculous in the first place) for the reason you've stated is rather silly.
It's not Robin's fault they died, and I doubt she has any major inner turmoil regarding that situation.
And fighting Akainu somehow does that…
Right before Akainu blew that ship up they refused letting her on the thing in the first place. The only people that didn't treat her like a monster were the archaeologists and all of them had already been rounded up by Spandine. The big fear she had, the Buster Call, has been removed so saying Robin fighting an Admiral(which I already think is ridiculous in the first place) for the reason you've stated is rather silly.
It's not Robin's fault they died, and I doubt she has any major inner turmoil regarding that situation.
I understand that they were abusive and nasty and even refused her passage on the ship, but nationalism is a funny thing. Nami fought long and hard to free her fellow villagers from Arlong by working for him and was despised by them for it; Conis had rocks and other things thrown at her for trying to convince the Skypeians to flee… Usopp worked hard to save his Village despite their disbelief of him, etc, etc.. Nationalism has occurred in many of the story arcs of One Piece and has been shown in many of the Strawhats; it would surprise me if Robin shared the sentiment, at least a little bit.
@Fire Fist:
I understand that they were abusive and nasty and even refused her passage on the ship, but nationalism is a funny thing. Nami fought long and hard to free her fellow villagers from Arlong by working for him and was despised by them for it; Conis had rocks and other things thrown at her for trying to convince the Skypeians to flee… Usopp worked hard to save his Village despite their disbelief of him, etc, etc.. Nationalism has occurred in many of the story arcs of One Piece and has been shown in many of the Strawhats; it would surprise me if Robin shared the sentiment, at least a little bit.
You're a lost cause.
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I think the Kumabot is down for the count. I looked at the last page and it looks like Luffy took of it's arm with that Gigant Rifle. I hope Franky examines it and takes it back to the ship to study. With that he can probably backwards engineer some new weapons.
@Fire Fist:
I understand that they were abusive and nasty and even refused her passage on the ship, but nationalism is a funny thing. Nami fought long and hard to free her fellow villagers from Arlong by working for him and was despised by them for it; Conis had rocks and other things thrown at her for trying to convince the Skypeians to flee… Usopp worked hard to save his Village despite their disbelief of him, etc, etc.. Nationalism has occurred in many of the story arcs of One Piece and has been shown in many of the Strawhats; it would surprise me if Robin shared the sentiment, at least a little bit.
You do know that all the villagers knew of Nami's deal with Arlong right? They never despised her for it, they all acted like they knew nothing about the $100,000,000 she was collecting until it was clear that Arlong broke off the deal, which is why Genzo, Nojiko and the rest decided to fight even if they all died. They even told Nami to escape beforehand.
With Conis, of course they wouldn't believe her; at that point the citizens didn't know of Ener's plan to destroy all of Skypeia. When an El Thor wasn't fired once Conis refused to see him as God, that's when they all realized that what she stated was true.
Why would they believe Usopp considering he's said the same thing on a daily basis? It's not their fault the one time Usopp was serious that they'd disregard it as another lie. It's unlikely that even now the villagers know what happened for real since none of the pirates managed to make it to the town.
In all the examples you stated the character in question wasn't regarded as a monster by the general population, even if the character thought so themselves. I'm not saying Robin might not feel sad about what happened; I'm saying that it isn't some big thing that warrants a confrontation with Akainu, or anyone for that matter.
You're a lost cause.
That's uncalled for.
And as for the Kumabot, I'm guessing it has a bomb to detonate it so it won't fall into enemy hands. It would be kind of stupid for Vegapunk to let a deadly weapon fall into the hands of someone who could dismantle and reprogram it.
Kind of a boring chapter. Oda really knows how to run unique attacks into the ground, all of the Enies Lobby power ups are used so frequently now they're not even exciting anymore. Anyone remember how Luffy used GEAR 3 which endangers his life against a bunch of paltry Marines while everyone was escaping from the auction house?
Are you bored by every thing that involves actions repeated or actions similar to what was previously done? DBZ must bore you to death then. Hell, sports may be something you can't stand since it involves repeated movements.
Luffy used Gear 2nd a total of 4 times in the manga. Gear 3rd 4 times as well (maybe 5). Diabolo Jamble has been used 3 times. Asura has appeared twice. Not frequent at all.
And Luffy being reckless has always been shown since the beginning. He's wants to be the pirate king afterall.
Also, haven't you said that each chapter is boring in each chapter discussion?
@Fire Fist:
And as for the Kumabot, I'm guessing it has a bomb to detonate it so it won't fall into enemy hands. It would be kind of stupid for Vegapunk to let a deadly weapon fall into the hands of someone who could dismantle and reprogram it.
Hope it doesn't blow up the whole mangroove they're at.
Dude, Gear 3 is the safe-to-use, funny Popeye mode. The serious life-shortening crap is gear 2.
Yep
Gear 3's only downside is it makes him small afterwards equal to the amount of time he spent in the state. That's all. It's only life threatning if used in conjuction with Gear 2, and is probably more dangerous than Gear 2 by itself.
Kind of a boring chapter. Oda really knows how to run unique attacks into the ground, all of the Enies Lobby power ups are used so frequently now they're not even exciting anymore. Anyone remember how Luffy used GEAR 3 which endangers his life against a bunch of paltry Marines while everyone was escaping from the auction house?
Dbz-Everything ever
Naruto-Kage bunshin(Really seriosuly overdone)/rashengan/chidori/sharingan/byakugan/wolf fang
Bleach-Getsuga tenshou/bankai/bankai/bankai/bankai/bankai
Death note-Writing names
Yu yu hakusho-Spirit gun/spirit sword/rose whip
Bobobo-bo-bo-bobo-Whatever the fuck they fight with.
Apologize to oda right now.
@Yonkou#3:
Death note-Writing names
I hope you're joking about this one.
Bit late, but I see no way in hell that Robin would ever have the power to be on rank with Akainu. Or any admiral.
@Fire Fist:
No one but Robin should be allowed to fight Akainu.
I can't see that, considering Akainu is in the same level as Kizaru and Aokiji.
About the Pacifista, it would be funny if he is intact, after all. It would be nice if they defeat him in a funny way. I think the most damage made Usopp because one of his explosions went in the mouth from the Pacifista. For sure, Robins attack was awesome, too. It is incredible that his beam which inspired by Kizaru attack doesn’t went though his mouth.
For sure the Attack from Sanji followed by Zoro and then Luffy was awesome but I can image that the Pacifista stand after all.
You're a lost cause.
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I think the Kumabot is down for the count. I looked at the last page and it looks like Luffy took of it's arm with that Gigant Rifle. I hope Franky examines it and takes it back to the ship to study. With that he can probably backwards engineer some new weapons.
Wouldn't the possibility that these kumabots might be human be a problem? For those who've suggested studying them or blowing them up–it's possible that these are humans modified into pacifista.
Of course, would they all look like Kuma would need to be explained, as for an explaination over how that red blood works, but there's still that chance.
Meaning, that "studying" them would involve an autopsy.
I want a consensus here. How many people think that these pacifistas are modified random humans? And how many think that they are clones of Kuma? (I'm with the latter)
When Sanji used Diable Jambe: Flambage Shoot, is that a new downgraded version of Flambage Shot, or is it just a mistranslation?
I'm pretty sure Gear2 is only "life-threatening" if Luffy uses it many times in a row like he did in his fight against Lucci. Dunno about you, but I kinda like how now it seems that Oda gave Luffy the ability to turn-off Gear2 after a single attack.
I'm hoping Storm is the next move to be showcased in conjunction with one of the Gears.
When Sanji used Diable Jambe: Flambage Shoot, is that a new downgraded version of Flambage Shot, or is it just a mistranslation?
It's Not a mistranslation. If you remember back Sanji's style has always consisted of _______ followed by SHOT or SHOOT. SHOT is when Sanji is close range and just hits his opponents and SHOOT is when he launches himself at the opponent to attack.
@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
I'm pretty sure Gear2 is only "life-threatening" if Luffy uses it many times in a row like he did in his fight against Lucci. Dunno about you, but I kinda like how now it seems that Oda gave Luffy the ability to turn-off Gear2 after a single attack.
I'm hoping Storm is the next move to be showcased in conjunction with one of the Gears.
I noticed that too, but I don't think the next JET attack will be storm. Oda will most assuredly save that move for an uber-boss and I don't think that Storm can be modified into a Gigant technique. Storm is way too fast for that slow style, maybe we'll see a JET Gigant Storm but I highly doubt it.
I want a consensus here. How many people think that these pacifistas are modified random humans? And how many think that they are clones of Kuma? (I'm with the latter)
I think that they are just robots made in the likeness of Kuma and not modified humans.
It's Not a mistranslation. If you remember back Sanji's style has always consisted of _______ followed by SHOT or SHOOT. SHOT is when Sanji is close range and just hits his opponents and SHOOT is when he launches himself at the opponent to attack.
Wow. I never noticed that. Thanks.
I noticed that too, but I don't think the next JET attack will be storm. Oda will most assuredly save that move for an uber-boss and I don't think that Storm can be modified into a Gigant technique. Storm is way too fast for that slow style, maybe we'll see a JET Gigant Storm but I highly doubt it.
Hmm…personally I would want a different technique than storm but if he did do one then I would like a Lightning Storm. Possible to have him do continuous rifles in rapid succession instead of just punches.
Damn no chapter this week
Gear 2nd is supposed to be causing a gradual wear-out of Luffy's heart and circulatory system, is it not?
Damn no chapter this week
Just think of all the fun we'll have speculating for two weeks straight
I noticed that too, but I don't think the next JET attack will be storm. Oda will most assuredly save that move for an uber-boss and I don't think that Storm can be modified into a Gigant technique. Storm is way too fast for that slow style, maybe we'll see a JET Gigant Storm but I highly doubt it.
Yeah, I forgot there's still Axe.
Jet Giant Axe or Jet Axe are more likely than even Storm.
Just think of all the fun we'll have speculating for two weeks straight http://www.dogsonacid.com/images/smilies/badteeth.gif
DO NOT WANT, TOKIO KID!!!!!!
No, just kidding - Although I am glad i'm going to N. Ireland for 3 weeks on Tuesday with no access to the internet… :P
Oh, and Kizaru being a Logia was freaking OBVIOUS
@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Yeah, I forgot there's still Axe.
Jet Giant Axe or Jet Axe are more likely than even Storm.
I may be wrong but didn't luffy use Giant Axe on Lucci?
EDIT:Didn't see the Jet part
Oh, and Kizaru being a Logia was freaking OBVIOUS
That's actually the problem. Kizaru landed and the fodders were like:"Oh shit here comes the logia." Then he went over to that other guy, kicked at the speed of light and discharged his laser batteries at him. So yeah, it just takes getting used to Oda being that straightforward.
I may be wrong but didn't luffy use Giant Axe on Lucci?
He axed a buster call ship right after the marines were shooting at him.
That's actually the problem. Kizaru landed and the fodder were like:"Oh shit here comes the logia." Then he went over to that other guy and kicked him at the speed of light. So yeah, it just takes getting used to Oda being that straightforward.
Indeed. Although that lightspeed kicking he pulls off is very cool, makes me wonder if he is superhumanly strong without his ability…
Robots don't bleed, people. And Franky himself -said- the Pacifista they're fighting is a human and is still vulnerable on the inside. Also, Drake and Urouge observed how strange it was the one they were fighting bled. Kuma himself is a cyborg and originally human. Now, it doesn't really matter if these guys were human before as it seems Vegapunk has modified them to the point that they're basically just robots who follow commands (except for Kuma, who does his own thing).
Anyways, everyone seems to over-estimate the SH's strength…I'm surprised they're taking as long as they are defeating this thing. It's just a peon in terms of the people they're going to face soon.
Gear 2nd is supposed to be causing a gradual wear-out of Luffy's heart and circulatory system, is it not?
Luffy's cardiovascular system is rubber, that's how it withstands the stress he puts on it in Gear 2nd. It should just physically wear him out faster but it shouldn't cause any sort of lasting damage or shorten his lifespan.
Partially think 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' - Vegapunk finds a way to create Kuma clones through skin/brain/stem cells, and forces them to rapidly age to have cybernetic implants inserted into them. Although they shouldn't all look the same, due to possible external happenings, but…
Luffy's cardiovascular system is rubber, that's how it withstands the stress he puts on it in Gear 2nd. It should just physically wear him out faster but it shouldn't cause any sort of lasting damage or shorten his lifespan.
The fact that it's rubber stops his cardiovascular system from tearing apart outright - Lucci mentioned he was shortening his own lifespan, because it will still cause some lasting damage to his circulatory system.
Indeed. Although that lightspeed kicking he pulls off is very cool, makes me wonder if he is superhumanly strong without his ability…
He could be strong without his Ability but he says to Hawkins 'Speed…is weight, have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?' So his DF obviously gives him alot more power than any kick.
Partially think 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' - Vegapunk finds a way to create Kuma clones through skin cells, and forces them to rapidly age to have cybernetic implants inserted into them. Although they shouldn't all look the same, due to possible external happenings, but…
In 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' All the clones look the same and assuming Kuma is the original then it is possible that they could look like him.
It's Not a mistranslation. If you remember back Sanji's style has always consisted of _______ followed by SHOT or SHOOT. SHOT is when Sanji is close range and just hits his opponents and SHOOT is when he launches himself at the opponent to attack.
What about Veau Shot? He lept into the air for that one. I always thought that Sanjis strength of his attacks increased from "French Name" to French Name Shoot to French Name Shot, as well as other moves inbetween such as Santen Découpage and the 4 Hache moves.
He could be strong without his Ability but he says to Hawkins 'Speed…is weight, have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?' So his DF obviously gives him alot more power than any kick.
In 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' All the clones look the same and assuming Kuma is the original then it is possible that they could look like him.
Besides, by kicking at the speed of light Kizaru also has to endure the pain on his legs when he kicks the pirates at the speed of light. While logia doesnt reduce the pain ill say that Kizaru has got to be a decent fighter without his DF. Besides he's a admiral im sure the marine HQ didnt let him be a admiral for nothing, especially if he got his DF from his superiors
@123:
Besides, by kicking at the speed of light Kizaru also has to endure the pain on his legs when he kicks the pirates at the speed of light. While logia doesnt reduce the pain ill say that Kizaru has got to be a decent fighter without his DF. Besides he's a admiral im sure the marine HQ didnt let him be a admiral for nothing, especially if he got his DF from his superiors
But He IS Light so he shouldn't feel pain from moving at the speed of his DF, and his foot isn't a normal physical object as he kicks and he should't feel pain from his own 'Weight' and if he relies on his DF he could be taken down by any of the SN's if they had the right equipment.
well if he got his DF from his superiors i think it would've been before he was a Admiral.
Why did Kizaru even bring the Pacifistas? Not like he needs them. Vegapunk wanted a test run?
I assumed that they needed to be tested as so far there's only three shown. If they were to be mass produced, there would be more than that. I think these three are just prototypes that are near enough completion to give them a test run.
Also, LOL on Kizaru using the Black Telebug instead of the Baby Den Den Mushi.