I hope it's not Logia.
Kizaru's devil fruit?
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I hope it's not Logia.
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not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but does anyone see a resemblance between Kizarus moves and the moves used in Dragon Ball by Tien and Choazu? Dodon-Pa (Dodon Ray) and Taiyo-ken (Solar Flare). Dragonball and DBZ are two of Odas most favorite manga series.
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not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but does anyone see a resemblance between Kizarus moves and the moves used in Dragon Ball by Tien and Choazu? Dodon-Pa (Dodon Ray) and Taiyo-ken (Solar Flare). Dragonball and DBZ are two of Odas most favorite manga series.
I think a few people have mentioned it. I tossed it in the name Solar Flare myself when I was referring to Kizaru's move somewhere on the boards. I think it's kinda funny, but at the same time a given considering her ability to control light (seemingly).
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Yeah, he even arrived to Shabondy a la Tao Pai Pai
I wouldn't be surprised if sunglasses played a major role in Luffy's fight against Kizaru, kinda like how Goku managed to defeat Ten by borrowing Roshi's
It's funny how Kizaru could turn out to be his own weakness because he seems to need his sunglasses to freely attack without self-inflicted blindness
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Kizaru seems to have been partially based off Tao Pai Pai due to arriving in similiar ways, dodon-pa, etc. In one interview Oda stated Tao was his favorite DB character I think.
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at least when he blew up, he repaired himself and didnt need to return as a cyborg. I kind feel like ever since Kuma was revealed to be a cyborg and with the pacifista showing up, the whole "cyborg" subject has become almost an obsession. Its like: New Character = Cyborg(?)
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at least when he blew up, he repaired himself and didnt need to return as a cyborg. I kind feel like ever since Kuma was revealed to be a cyborg and with the pacifista showing up, the whole "cyborg" subject has become almost an obsession. Its like: New Character = Cyborg(?)
Who are you talking about? Tao Pai Pai DID come back as a Cyborg.
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@Gecko:
Who are you talking about? Tao Pai Pai DID come back as a Cyborg.
I meant Kizaru when Apoo blew him up
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Well, we haven't seen him repair himself YET. But since he's most likely a light logia, he probably will.
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I especially want to say my apology to Gol D. Roger. He started this thread and things might have gone very different from what he wanted.
no problem.
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I posted this in the spoilers thread, but this actually belongs here:
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I'm going to start by stating my assumptions as to what Kizaru's powers could be.
- Move at the speed of light - i.e. Flesh-> Light –--travel ---- Light -> Flesh
- Kick at the speed of light - Flesh body/Light leg -> Move leg at at speed of light -> Materialize leg -> impact
- Fire flashes of light to blind enemies
- Fire concentrated beams of light in the form of 'lasers'
Now per se, I doubt that Kizaru will at any point throw himself as a body of light towards the enemy and engulf them in light or something similar. It doesn't seem effective, and as someone already explained, all you'd get is a nice tan. Light on its own doesn't damage you (except your eyes) unless it is concentrated at a single point. Since Kizaru can create light and fire that it makes more sense to fire lasers then turn himself into a laser and charge at you.
So lets say you have a reflective surface and he fires lasers and/or blinding flashes. It gets reflected and it means he missed you. Big deal. Sending it back to him will not hurt him.
If he tries to kick you, it's irrelevant whether you use a reflective surface because the actual hit is physical otherwise you won't feel a thing. So the kick will be physical and it won't make a difference whether you have a mirror/etc…
As for cutting him with a shiny sword. You're cutting him in half and reflecting him outward from the place you cut. Big deal? What damage will that make? He'll just reform in the same manner he would reform if you slashed him with a wooden stick.
So no, any kind of reflection will not hurt him. It can however trap him. Get him in a box which is lined with mirrors on the inside and he can't get out with his powers. However I'm pretty sure that an admiral can kick himself out of a box.
Flash dials might work. However I do not know under which circumstance would you be able to capture him unless he's constantly in the light form.
Fighting at night? Yeah that works.
What difference will it make. A guy who emits light has no disadvantage at night. This is not the same as fire and ice or like electricity and rubber. Night is an environment where there is no light. That's like saying: "To beat Smoker you have to fight him in a prairie because there's no smog"Sunglasses. That's like saying you can enter a volcano because you have a fireproof glove.
Prisms/crystals/etc. This will cause scattering and slowdown of light. Yes, light slows down within glass, It then returns to normal speed when it exits the glass/crystal. Light dispersion through a prism would be totally cool, but at the end of the day you have 7 Kizarus hitting you from all directions in different colours.
The darkness fruit is the light fruit's counter, but not because of the 'dark' thing but because a black hole is defined to be a concentrated point of large mass with enough gravitational field that photons will gravitate towards it. In a simple light vs dark scenario (while debatable) light would win because you cannot 'create' darkness. Darkness is only the absence of light. The black holes which BB can form (as well as the DF cancelling power) is what gives him the edge.
Oda will find a way to make this make sense, however please stop with the stupid suggestions, especially reflections. When you reflect light you're not destroying it, merely changing its direction.
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I'm actually kind of disappointed in Kizaru's ability/strength/fruit whatever… The logia users we've seen up to now have had weaknesses which nullified their ability to be invincible (turn their body into their element). Though I can't think of one for Kizaru's, be it light logia or whatever, at the moment, Oda may easily come up with a good or bad one.
But here comes the scoop: No matter the weakness, greater power will definitly lose to much greater speed.
That being so, I can see no at least logical way of Luffy beating him. Nullifying his ability doesn't work if you can't catch him, which applies for Blackbeard, too.And because I can foresee people saying "Enel was teleporting" or something along the lines, a few words to this in advance. Enel was thinking of himself as an invincible god and didn't really use his "teleporting" ability to his advantage, because he couldn't imagine that anyone would be able to harm him. Otherwise he could've easily beaten Luffy with his gloam paddled staff.
but that's just what I think..
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Well knowing Oda he'll prolly come out Oda-Only solution
Oh and G-Greato Luffy doesnt have to beat Kizaru. Im sure Oda doesnt want his main character to beat up every marine he sees
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Haha, half you guys were wrong. :)
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Yep, seems like he's a light logia from what we've seen.
I was kinda hoping he wouldn't be a logia, but it seems likely now.
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yea with his speed u cant even touch him with a seastone, perona's ghosts, Foxy's beam can never reach him. Kizaru is GOD! Oh wait he cant escape Blackbeard's gravity. He just need to be equipped with the seastone tipped jitte just to guard against blackbeard. yes, he is still GOD!
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Haha aww c'mon, we aren't really going to go into all the physics right?
Because, in this context, Oda really simplified physics to a huge extent. So much so that, I'd rather not argue in physics terms at all, and just enjoy the whole thing.
First of all, to argue some disputed points:
Light CAN hurt you. The "light" we are used to seeing everyday isn't very harmful because it is kind of more "dispersed". If it gets really concentrated, like in case of a laser, it can give you really bad sun burns and in a more extreme case, cut you like they do in one of those star wars movies.
It wouldn't be so bad if Kizaru's "light" was only of a single frequency. If Kizaru can manipulate his powers to give different frequencies of light, he can potentially make a "light beam" that is out of the range of what the human eye can detect, and he can thus killing you without you ever seeing what's he doing. Which can also essentially turn him into an "invisible man".
Anyway, if Kizaru could move at the speed of light, then assuming that Einstein's theory of relativity is correct, and assuming that he has any finite amount of human reaction time, then Kizaru would be reaching the ends of the universe each time he tries to move at the speed of light. That's because whenever he moves at such a high speed, the distance between the ends of the universe grows to become infinitely short. As long as he has any human reaction time error at all, even to the smallest fraction of a second, the amount of time taken to reach from one end of the universe to the other is essentially nil, i.e. nothing i.e. no time at all. When he does get to the end othe universe, I wouldn't have any idea how you would be able to get back.
And if he doesn't have any human reaction time error, then I'd say he'd be t he strongest man in the world, no, in the universe, because nothing will ever be able to stop him. But he's not, so he does have a human reaction time error.
If you get any of the sh*t i just wrote, you'd be agreeing with me that it's useless to argue physics at all in Oda's world. Let's just enjoy the manga while it's there.
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1) Does Kizaru use a devil fruit (aka akuma no mi)?
in my opinion… yes!2) Type of this devil fruit?
in my opinion it could be a logia (or rogia) fruit… because bullets cannot hit him, and they pass trough his head... like Van Ouger's bullets against Ace, do you remember?3) Type of logia?
in my opinion…- Kizaru just makes a kick and a groove explodes in a burning light...
- in the kick, we can see: a light spark under Kizaru's foot... plus, foot becomes white... plus, in the small picture in the corner, we can see something like a bright flash...
- Kizaru is "yellow monkey"; Aokiji in blue, and his power is ice (blue is a color can rapresent ice...) Kizaru is yellow...
conclusion: logia of the… LIGHT!!!
no light = lightning (like Enel), simply light, the opposite of darkness…
then...
Kizaru has a logia devil fruit of the lightwhat about?!?
now It's sure: I'm a genius!
we can close this thread!
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Anyway, if Kizaru could move at the speed of light, then assuming that Einstein's theory of relativity is correct, and assuming that he has any finite amount of human reaction time, then Kizaru would be reaching the ends of the universe each time he tries to move at the speed of light. That's because whenever he moves at such a high speed, the distance between the ends of the universe grows to become infinitely short. As long as he has any human reaction time error at all, even to the smallest fraction of a second, the amount of time taken to reach from one end of the universe to the other is essentially nil, i.e. nothing i.e. no time at all. When he does get to the end othe universe, I wouldn't have any idea how you would be able to get back.
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That's not true, it happens only in his reference system. Distance shrinks, and time expand… so he really would travel see himself travel to the end of the world, but would keep infinite time, from his point of view :P. Anyway, when you put infinites in the equation is really difficult to understand what it really means...
[/end physics rant]Light has a finite speed, as, for example, we see sun light after about 8 minutes. So he can't really go wherever he can… anyway, I'm sure Oda won't come up with relativity theory: come on, his manga is also for kids! I'm sure he'll find smart way to put weaknesses: as I see it (I'm sure I'm not the first one) he could be trapped in a bottle with mirror sides... but this is probably too easy, such as a jinn tale ;)
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@vlad:
i always thought lucky roux was the fastest person known so far
Well, Oda ment that he was the fastest of all known characters at the time when he said it. Now when many new characters have been introduced I don't think it's valid anymore.
I'm actually disappointed that Kizaru has a logia DF; those are too damn invincible and all, but what can I do…
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My guess on why Kizaru was hit by both Apoo and Silvers even though he's a Logia:
He hasn't consumed the Light Light Fruit the "conventional" way, but got his powers because of Vegapunk, who used him as a experiment with devil fruits. Hence, his body doesn't automatically react to impacts and activates the fruit's powers (turning into light). The gun that ate the dog fruit can also be used as an example, because Lasso wasn't able to change forms like other users of animal type DF's, but stayed in the hybrid form the entire time.
So, my idea is that if the DF is infused unnaturaly, the user can't use it to it's full extend.
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That's a cool theory.
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~_~ why does every one thinks Kizaru will be trapped by mirror .
Oda has already used mirror with Foxy doubt he'll use it agian. And if he does….... We all know it doesnt work. But then agian this IS one piece. So who knows? -
My guess on why Kizaru was hit by both Apoo and Silvers even though he's a Logia:
He hasn't consumed the Light Light Fruit the "conventional" way, but got his powers because of Vegapunk, who used him as a experiment with devil fruits. Hence, his body doesn't automatically react to impacts and activates the fruit's powers (turning into light). The gun that ate the dog fruit can also be used as an example, because Lasso wasn't able to change forms like other users of animal type DF's, but stayed in the hybrid form the entire time.
So, my idea is that if the DF is infused unnaturaly, the user can't use it to it's full extend.
Or maybe he was just suprised by both of them.
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Luffy kicked Aokiji into the air rather than shatter him. Clearly Aokiji's powers were given by Vegapunk.
Or maybe Logia powers aren't automatic.
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aokiji's power is ice which mean he's more solid then evasive so like black beard he could be physically hit. just wanted to put my 2 cents XD
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Robin ripped apart Aokiji when she clutched him. I'm sure Robin's nowhere near as physically strong as Luffy. So Luffy's kick should have shattered Aokiji if he did in fact use his Logia defenses.
Seems to me Aokiji just tanked Luffy's kick.
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yeah aokiji was broken but like i said he can be physically hit. i compared him to black beard cause he could be physically hit to but i never said his powers were off.cause he could regenerate from the smallest fragments or bunch. im not sure whats the limit of the smallest piece he could regenerate from. thats how i see it
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Different logias have Different reactions to attacks. Sand and Smoke are easily pushed away or broken up or dispersed, so Crocodile and Smoker are not affected by the attack at all. Ice is much more solid, and needs to be broken before reforming. Also, concerning Aokiji's fruit, I'm worried about how to beat him. Since ice takes in heat due to lack of heat and energy, to overcome the cold you have to generate a heat that overpowers his coldness. And Aokiji has mastered his fruit to the point of connecting islands with solid ice that would take a week to melt.
Also, I dont know if this is relevant, but did anyone notice that Kizarus eyes were closed right before he kicked Apoo. Too bright for even him?
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i dont if this been said but do you think that kizaru could make enough heat with his light powers that it even matches aces heat or even beyond that and even create something thats stronger then aces giant fire or sun ball technique
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@Shaman:
i dont if this been said but do you think that kizaru could make enough heat with his light powers that it even matches aces heat or even beyond that and even create something thats stronger then aces giant fire or sun ball technique
hmmm, I agree with you
a devil fruit expert user should be capable of develop his/her ability.
Another example: Luffy can imitate Bellamy's abilities since Spring charasteristic is part of rubber characteristics, etc
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My guess on why Kizaru was hit by both Apoo and Silvers even though he's a Logia:
He hasn't consumed the Light Light Fruit the "conventional" way, but got his powers because of Vegapunk, who used him as a experiment with devil fruits. Hence, his body doesn't automatically react to impacts and activates the fruit's powers (turning into light). The gun that ate the dog fruit can also be used as an example, because Lasso wasn't able to change forms like other users of animal type DF's, but stayed in the hybrid form the entire time.
So, my idea is that if the DF is infused unnaturaly, the user can't use it to it's full extend.
That's a nice idea, but Lasso could have turned full dog if he wanted, and he was full gun when he was on Mr. 4's back. Proof: Frunkfreed could turn into full sword, full elephant, or half, and he was a sword.
Luffy can imitate Bellamy's abilities since Spring charasteristic is part of rubber characteristics, etc
Always wondered why Luffy never did that…
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My personal thoughts on Kizaru's weakness(es) are this:
1. He can't take his form without moving, light is always moving, it doesn't just stop at any point and then start, so when he wants to stand still he has to be human; add to that he can't seem to attack without shutting his eyes (thank you Tokage) and he, unlike Sir Crocodile, Ace or other Logia's so far met, HAS to be in his human form for quite alot of the time, even in a fight.
2. Another I see is effects on light, mirrors and glass and stuff should have an effect, refracting the light or reflecting; but I'm not sure if this can ever really be used in any sensible way. The thing that interests me is if you refract the light and seperate it, what would happen, I can kinda see a solid Kizaru flying out the prism ready to be sent flying, but again I don't see that being used.
Realistically, although I think 2 would work, I think no. 1 is the one we're more likely to see used, though, this is Oda, so I only give No. 2 about a 20% chance of being real (not saying used, but real, one of the thing Oda made up and has floating in his head as working in the Odaverse), and it's my theory so I'm biased… his weakness could still be anything.
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Random thought, not sure if anyone brought this up already but I'll throw it out anyways.
None of this is what i think is how things work but simply random things i thought or heard of.
Possibility: One of Kizaru's weaknesses is Rayleigh?
It could be possible that Oda knew of a phenomenon called Rayleigh scattering(which has to do with scattering light) when he decided to set up the kizaru vs Rayleigh confrontation(or even when he named Rayleigh?).
This could play into why a logia like Kizaru is was physically cut by Rayleigh and why Rayleigh could block his attacks.
Possibility: Rayleigh could be especially good against light and not all logias. (Though I hope that isn't so)
I have no idea what to make of this.
Things like this is one of the reason One Piece is so insanely good. You can come up with so many theorys that are possible and rarely guess what Oda's doing. One Piece makes you think. Oda's story telling is simply on a different tier than most other mangakas.
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Possibility: One of Kizaru's weaknesses is Rayleigh?
It could be possible that Oda knew of a phenomenon called Rayleigh scattering(which has to do with scattering light) when he decided to set up the kizaru vs Rayleigh confrontation(or even when he named Rayleigh?).
you're talking about rayleigh scattering. heres his pic LORD RAYLEIGH
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i have a bad feeling dark king shall lose ;((((
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Does anyone read Sahugani"s Reviews on Manga helpers? Here's an excerpt:
The revelation of him being a light logia brings up a number of issues. Since Blackbeard was revealed to have the darkness logia, it was easy to assume that a light logia existed, but it was unclear if it would be a typical logia similar to the generic elementals or if it would be seen as a counterpart to the darkness fruit. It seems that it is the former and he is truly an incarnation of light that can’t be touched physically. For most intents and purposes, this could be seen as the strongest devil fruit ability. The normal logia traits provide an automatic defense, the speed of light gives him the greatest mobility and combat speed of any known fighter, and the light can be focused to a destructive form as a laser. Add to that combat experience comparably equal to Ao Kiji and Kizaru is truly the Marines’ ultimate fighting force. However, there is a flaw in his ability. His beams of light used for both movement and lasers are used in straight lines. In order to travel at angles, Kizaru needs reflective surfaces to bounce light off of. Though other logia lack the speed of movement he has, they are not hampered by direction of movement. This means that his ability can be foiled by interrupting the path of light. This could be done with mirrors to intercept and diverge his attacks, but I think it is more likely that mist will be the key. In a mist such as fog or steam, light dissipates and is thus ideal for halting Kizaru. For a logia to prevent physical damage, it must be able to retain its true elemental form. Water clumps sand particles and rubber prevents electric current, thus halting the abilities of Crocodile and Enel. For light, dissipation through a mist would serve the same purpose as it prevents the passage of light. This would not only hamper Kizaru’s movement but it would also nullify his logia defense. With this in mind, my first thought is that Luffy’s Gear 2 generates steam, but I doubt it creates enough to affect Kizaru. It does mean that defeating an admiral at this point is not out of the question though.
That sounds pretty badass. I wish more people speculated like this guy.
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