swordsman isn't a position
He just a fighter (a fighter who use swords) like someone else say before.
You want a position for him? Just call him a Bedwarmer =D
swordsman isn't a position
He just a fighter (a fighter who use swords) like someone else say before.
You want a position for him? Just call him a Bedwarmer =D
I like bonitas answer the most.
The strawhats are a democracy under the captain. So there really is no First mate onboard their ship.
Agree!~ SH crew have only one Captain, the rest are multi-functional crew member.
This post is my special gift to all you zoro haters out there…
In oda's own words--
Zoro trusts Luffy and they quickly became companions that can entrust their lives into each others' hands. He can be said to be the pirate crew's vice-captain and a trustworthy companion.
special thanks to Miracles since i read the info in one of his posts:
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=903555&postcount=722
Your a pearl of wisdom Gomu Gomu no Baka!
In oda's own words–
Not as a rebuttal necessarily, but:
Originally Posted In @Ulrilra:
Oh, so I was right, "second captain" is an accurate translation.
Wait, so the Databook actually called Zoro the second captain? Then that means that the "Is Zoro the First-mate?" argument is settled, since the Databook said he was, right?
He doesn't write the data books. They are written by Shueisha. They do ask Oda questions for the data books, however.
Though I am sure Oda could have said, 'Zoro is second captain', this could simply have been their point of view given his stature in the crew and his relationship with Luffy. Nevertheless, I thought I would point this out since I always wondered myself if they were really Oda's words or someone else's depiction. Fact or no, I see no importance to it. But I enjoy the arguments nonetheless.
Still don't change the fact that the data books are one piece canon.
Zoro is a first-mate that should be obvious.
He's not just one or the other, he's both :P
Zoro is First mate.Brooke is the the one that is just a Musician.I thought it was obviouse that Zoro was first captain.
It strikes me as odd that Oda would refer to Zoro using a term as close to "first mate" as "second captain" is in a second-hand account like data book Yellow when he's had loads of opportunities to convey that same information in the manga itself. In particular, the chapter title "Member of the Straw Hat Pirates, Roronoa Zoro" where Zoro was acting very much like a first mate would was a particularly good opportunity to use the actual term for first-mate, yet Oda didn't.
Oda's a smart guy and his subtleties are not careless mistakes; I'd say it's reasonable to assume he has good reason for not calling Zoro first-mate yet even though he's admitted Zoro is very much like one. Perhaps an arc will be devoted to this in the New World?
It strikes me as odd that Oda would refer to Zoro using a term as close to "first mate" as "second captain" is in a second-hand account like data book Yellow when he's had loads of opportunities to convey that same information in the manga itself. In particular, the chapter title "Member of the Straw Hat Pirates, Roronoa Zoro" where Zoro was acting very much like a first mate would was a particularly good opportunity to use the actual term for first-mate, yet Oda didn't.
Oda's a smart guy and his subtleties are not careless mistakes; I'd say it's reasonable to assume he has good reason for not calling Zoro first-mate yet even though he's admitted Zoro is very much like one. Perhaps an arc will be devoted to this in the New World?
so what your saying is that we should not trust the info in the data books that are not in the manga info like
-there are 1600 pirates in whitebeards crew
-Baldigo island in the grand line is dragon's base of operations
-dragons bounty is more than 300 million
-dadan is referred to as he
-that garp is stated to have actually fought roger not just cornered
so what your saying is that we should not trust the info in the data books that are not in the manga info like
-there are 1600 pirates in whitebeards crew
-Baldigo island in the grand line is dragon's base of operations
-dragons bounty is more than 300 million
-dadan is referred to as he
-that garp is stated to have actually fought roger not just cornered
Wow, I really need to read Yellow. How long have I been away from the manga forum? @_@
That said, I'm just saying that the manga is the definitive source of OP knowledge and not the data books. One line in a data book contrasted with many, many instances of terms like "number two" published before and after Yellow would suggest that there's a reason Oda doesn't explicitly use the term "first mate".
It strikes me as odd that Oda would refer to Zoro using a term as close to "first mate" as "second captain" is in a second-hand account like data book Yellow when he's had loads of opportunities to convey that same information in the manga itself. In particular, the chapter title "Member of the Straw Hat Pirates, Roronoa Zoro" where Zoro was acting very much like a first mate would was a particularly good opportunity to use the actual term for first-mate, yet Oda didn't.
Oda's a smart guy and his subtleties are not careless mistakes; I'd say it's reasonable to assume he has good reason for not calling Zoro first-mate yet even though he's admitted Zoro is very much like one. Perhaps an arc will be devoted to this in the New World?
Zoro's teh first mate because.
1. He was the first to join the crew. Nuff said. Have you ever heard of the 112th member of a pirate crew being named the first mate?
First mate does not mean the first person to join the definition for first mate is (if i remember correctly) the officer below the captain on a ship
Zoro is the gardener ;)
I chuckled when I read this. Sorry, I was reading from page one.
Question: Wasn't there a topic like this already?
And… who cares what position any one is. This is One Piece we're talking about! Plus, I read numerous posts that pretty much ended the thread ...on page one. :\
Question: Wasn't there a topic like this already?
This is the original, supposedly.
Is everybody and their momma picky on this forum? The way you guys pick and choose what's "definitive" for a cartoon is funny. You guys probabaly don't like your eggs touching the bacon, lololol.
One Piece Yellow is a recent data book stated to be by Oda Eiichiro. It is sanctioned and authorized by the guy who does your untouchable manga. People to disregard that is folly.
Not too mention this thread is ridiculous, it's obvious Zoro is the first mate, for one it's stated in One Piece yellow, two Zoro is second in command. An obvious answer for an obvious thread here at the park.
You cretins.
When it comes to his position on board the ship, Zoro wears a lot of hats.
When there's an enemy to be fought, he's a Combatant.
When the ship reaches land and he wants a nap, he's the Reserve Guard.
When there's a drinking contest that Luffy is too drunk to take part in he's the Second Capitan Just kidding.
And, when there is a decision that affects Luffy's standing as captain that Luffy is not prepared to make or enforce, for the good of the crew, Zoro is First Mate.
He's probably just copying Aldrich to get a reaction.
Copying who? What in the world are you people spitting?
I am the master of the Sonic roll, I won a game of connect four in three moves, I play Marco without Polo, I am Miracles.
I thought it was a good idea to drop that ridiculous act (omg, who is that phenom you are talking about, he sounds like a cool guy lol) whenever someone called you phenom. Now do us all a favour and don't act like members you know very well are new to you. You aren't getting banned anyway so just say nothing.
I like that you all are assuming he's a certain member due to ONE word. Even if he is, that's ridiculously funny.
I like that you all are assuming he's a certain member due to ONE word. Even if he is, that's ridiculously funny.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Erm i have One Piece Yellow, (though it's in chinese and so it'll take me a long time to finish it) and i don't think it was stated anywhere that Dragon's bounty was >300million, even though we can safely assume that he is, and it only stated Zoro as being the "swordsman" and a "combatant". I don't remember seeing anything close to a "first mate" while reading up on Zoro. So unless i missed out that part (please direct me to the appropriate page and section if i am wrong), anyone who uses the yellow data book to "confirm" that Zoro is first mate is wrong.
Oh, and Whitebeard does have a 1600 man crew, divided into 16 divisions. And Aokiji IS the strongest in the entire Marines force, Sengoku included. The reason why Sengoku has his position is that he is extremely loyal to the government, and is very obedient to their command. But Aokiji is still strongest because of his fruit ability. Yeah just something a little extra. Oh and Diablo 3 is coming out, all you geeks out there (myself included:) Sorry for the off-topic-ness
@_Meh_:
When there's a drinking contest that Luffy is too drunk to take part in he's the Second Capitan Just kidding.
And, when there is a decision that affects Luffy's standing as captain that Luffy is not prepared to make or enforce, for the good of the crew, Zoro is First Mate.
Zoro is also smart enough not to get too drunk to let his guard down, as shown int he Baroks Works saga.
Zoro also notifys luffy if he makes a wrong decision, such as when Ussop decided to re-join, Zoro stepped up saying he has to apologise because of the fact that he opposed the Captian.
In terms of ranks of commandmend, I'd say Zoro is 2nd in command closely followed by Sanji. Since they're decisions are about the crew, not just about themselfs (Where Nami, Ussop or Chopper sometimes chicken out :X).
Erm i have One Piece Yellow, (though it's in chinese and so it'll take me a long time to finish it) and i don't think it was stated anywhere that Dragon's bounty was >300million, even though we can safely assume that he is, and it only stated Zoro as being the "swordsman" and a "combatant". I don't remember seeing anything close to a "first mate" while reading up on Zoro. So unless i missed out that part (please direct me to the appropriate page and section if i am wrong), anyone who uses the yellow data book to "confirm" that Zoro is first mate is wrong.
Oh, and Whitebeard does have a 1600 man crew, divided into 16 divisions. And Aokiji IS the strongest in the entire Marines force, Sengoku included. The reason why Sengoku has his position is that he is extremely loyal to the government, and is very obedient to their command. But Aokiji is still strongest because of his fruit ability. Yeah just something a little extra. Oh and Diablo 3 is coming out, all you geeks out there (myself included:) Sorry for the off-topic-ness
the page numbers could be wrong…
pages 046-047
Rononoa Zoro - A Combatant
"If you are uncertain as well, then who else can we trust?!!"
Zoro trusts Luffy and they quickly became companions that can entrust their lives into each others' hands. He can be said to be the pirate crew's vice-captain and a trustworthy companion.
pages 208-209
The "Monkey" Family!!
Luffy's father is the Revolutionist with a bounty price of more than three hundred million, while his grandfather was a vice-admiral in the Navy!! Every member in the "Monkey" family is famous around the world!! These 3 generations of grandfather, father and son, with their different motivations, exist together in the golden age of piracy!!
in my opinion u can say that zorro is more the first mate (vice) than any other. it does not need any title for him or something because we all saw his reaction in front of kuma or at luffy's battle with ussopp. ;)
The "Monkey" Family!!
Luffy's father is the Revolutionist with a bounty price of more than three hundred million, while his grandfather was a vice-admiral in the Navy!! Every member in the "Monkey" family is famous around the world!! These 3 generations of grandfather, father and son, with their different motivations, exist together in the golden age of piracy!!
I could be wrong and can't read Japanese anyway, but a translation like that sounds like it was misinterpreted. Luffy's bounty is 300M, so a phrase like "Luffy's father is a revolutionist whose threat to the government exceeds 300M" would imply that Dragon is more wanted by the government than Luffy, the 300M pirate.
I could be wrong and can't read Japanese anyway, but a translation like that sounds like it was misinterpreted. Luffy's bounty is 300M, so a phrase like "Luffy's father is a revolutionist whose threat to the government exceeds 300M" would imply that Dragon is more wanted by the government than Luffy, the 300M pirate.
Since Dragon is the Head of the Revolutionaries, I would find it weird if his bounty wasn't higher than 300 million.
I would not be surprised if Dragon has the largest Bounty since he is the world worse criminal. Since he is the largest threat to the WG.
Wasn't it said somewhere that Dragon DID have the largest bounty in the world?
If not where the hell did I get that idea from?
Wasn't it said somewhere that Dragon DID have the largest bounty in the world?
If not where the hell did I get that idea from?
Probably from him being known as the "Most Wanted Criminal In The World".
Zoro is the first mate
I think it's quite interesting that, in the current chapter (505), the one "helping" Luffy out is Sanji and not Zoro. While Killer seems to be the second mate of the Kid pirates and the bear… oh nevermind.
I don't know if this even has any significance at all but the situation was definitely wierd. The three captains are shown being protected by a certain crew member.... why? And why is it Sanji, who's the first at Luffys side?
Ussop is the Vice Captan. Thats for sure. It was the one condition for Ussop to join the crew. If first mate and vice captan is the saem I don
t know its just that technically Ussop is the Vice-Captan
I think it's quite interesting that, in the current chapter (505), the one "helping" Luffy out is Sanji and not Zoro. While Killer seems to be the second mate of the Kid pirates and the bear… oh nevermind.
I don't know if this even has any significance at all but the situation was definitely wierd. The three captains are shown being protected by a certain crew member.... why? And why is it Sanji, who's the first at Luffys side?
well…sanji runs fastest....lol
Supergott, I don't think Luffy or anyone else took Usopp seriously about being vice captain....I'm pretty sure ur the only dude who thinks that Usopp is first mate
Ussop is the Vice Captan. That
s for sure. It was the one condition for Ussop to join the crew. If first mate and vice captan is the saem I don
t know its just that technically Ussop is the Vice-Captan
if you took that seriously i think your as gullable as chopper
Zoro was cutting a path for franky and silver to run through i think thats why he wasn't directly to luffys aid.
Zoro is the first mate/vice captain. He preety much has the most weight when it comes to very serious decisions. As i said earlier. I think Zoro is the more serious version of luffy. Yea he has his faults but the crew respects his opinions and choices.
I quited liked how brooks and Franky watched their first mate fight it out. At least these two will never underesitmate him
plus willing to die for the captain and the crew. Only the first mate/vice captain could do that with true meaning not just a swordsman as people seem to think.
why is there even an argument? Ever since the W7 ark we've seen Zoro acting the law in the crew and stepping up with the important decisions when they were necessary. He had enough of a say to order Luffy around in a ways, let alone the others in the crew. Who has come anywhere close to that? Nami is quartermaster/navigator which is damn important but is far from being Captain or First Mate. The others don't even come close and I see no reason why on earth they should even be considered. Usopp is the most ridiculous suggestion of all - he's the one who left the crew and the one that never really understood what a crew was all about. How can he be first mate? Quite pointless discussion, really…
why is there even an argument?
I think the discussion is about if he is officially the first mate or just acting like it.
if that was the case we would not be hearing all the other names. plus is there really a difference between the two in a manga? I mean - Luffy is never addressed as the main character of the manga, but that doesn't make him any less the main character of the manga :)
if that was the case we would not be hearing all the other names
What other names? Usopp? I thought that was just a joke.
Naming other people would be an argument for him jsut acting like the first mate. Acting like it doesn't mean you are the first mate, and the responibilities can be shared amongs the rest of the crew.
I still say the strawhats are a democracy under the captain.
Luffy is never addressed as the main character of the manga, but that doesn't make him any less the main character of the manga
Wouldn't that break the fourth wall? =S
i don't know if its been stated hes the first mate … but we all know hes the first mate
Closes thing to first mate in the Straw Hat pirates is Nami. She takes charge a hell lot more then the others. I think Oda intentionally leaves 'em all pretty much independent and equal in status on porpuse. So a first mate, even if it was said somewere, in the SH pirates is just ridiculous. Or atleast in my opinion.
And the thing with Sanji coming to Luffy's aid, he was just at the right place at the right time. He doesn't need a "high rank" to help his captain.
Being that he has the highest bounty aside from luffy and and being the first to join, first mate comes to mind. So call him that if you want but he doesn't do the first mate job of keeping the men in chech and relaying the captians orders lol. I love One Piece.
i pretty much agree. In the Mugiwaras, you don't see a formal ranking system. Basically, everyone simply obeys Luffy, listens to Nami when she's controlling the ship, and other than that, do whatever the hell they want.
In the Jaya arc, when Luffy wants to go to Sky Island, nobody argues with him, even if though don't necessarily believe it exists. I get the feeling though, that if Zoro said "I want to go to the isle of swordsmen" , nobody would even pay attention to him.
Basically, I'm saying, because its such a small crew, there's no reason to have that kind of system where the lowers take orders from the higher ranked people. Basically everyone has an equal ranking.
As sanji said in the Enies Lobby arc, everyone has something they can and cannot do.
absolutely the first mate. this has never been a question.
judging from the topic of this thread it obviously has…. =P
Zoro may or may not be first mate but he does knows how to take charge when Luffy is not able to.
Here are some examples.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/309/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/333/18/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/340/19/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/438/03/
Zoro is the first mate. If not for any other reason than him technically being the first nakama that Luffy recruited.