I always wondered why Franky can't just put one big tank in his fridge to be more space efficient. Bit more difficult to fill up, but better in the long run, I'd say.
The rankings we give the crew.
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@Ao:
I think it's pretty obvious Robin outclasses Franky in fighting ability. Whenever Nami speaks of the strongest crewmembers it's always the monster trio+Robin. I think she's somewhere around Sanji's level of strength despite never getting her time to shine.
Robin along with Chopper couldn't beat a penguin-legged Sanji and a weaker Zoro. She's nowhere near the top 3. Like I mentioned earlier, her power allows her to defeat alot of strong people, but when it comes to power houses she can't do much.
Chopper, Franky and Brooke are all somewhere in the middle. They're strong and have potential but in a pinch arent nearly as reliable as Luffy, Zoro or Sanji. Also Usopp has been known to be a totally pushover sometimes and other times fight on par with the monster trio so he's sort of the Wild Card. He seems really powerful in one on one battles and Oda-sensei just seems to like him as much as the monster trio so he'll always get about as much screentime and action as they do, one way or another.
Even Chopper has had more fights than Usopp so I don't get where you've gotten this idea of Usopp getting as much screentime fight-wise as Luffy, Zoro or even Sanji. Also he's nowhere near the top 3 in strength. While during Usopp vs Luffy he put up a decent fight; as soon as Luffy got that first hit in he was basically done.
Nami, Usopp and Chopper are all powerful compared to normal people but sometimes they get outclassed by the enemies Luffy and co. face in One Piece, not to mention their heads get in the way and they'd rather retreat than fight so while everyone else gets stronger they tend to plateau
They do get outclassed alot, those three are never going to be considered "strong" compared to the types of the higher end enemies seen. They can hold their own fine yes, but you all make it seem like all of the crew are going to overshadow everyone by the end of the series which is frankly ridiculous.
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@Kidany:
Robin along with Chopper couldn't beat a penguin-legged Sanji and a weaker Zoro. She's nowhere near the top 3. Like I mentioned earlier, her power allows her to defeat alot of strong people, but when it comes to power houses she can't do much.
That's a poor example because Robin couldn't use her pressure point grappling techniques on a zombie that experiences no pain. Robin could take out Zoro or Sanji in seconds the same way she crushed (literally) Franky. That type of technique obviously wouldn't work on an unfeeling zombie with half rotten appendages.
Luffy is likewise invulnerable thanks to his rubber lower anatomy, but does that make Robin second strongest on the team? No, probably not. My entire point is that power in One Piece is conditional on circumstance.
There are no tiers or any such thing in this series. Some crew members have advantages against certain enemies, that is all.
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So basically Robin > most of men in the world.
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That's a poor example because Robin couldn't use her pressure point grappling techniques on a zombie that experiences no pain. Robin could take out Zoro or Sanji in seconds the same way she crushed (literally) Franky. That type of technique obviously wouldn't work on an unfeeling zombie with half rotten appendages.
Luffy is likewise invulnerable thanks to his rubber lower anatomy, but does that make Robin second strongest on the team? No, probably not.
During the Odz fight it was already said that feeling no pain is actually a weakness since it makes the zombie bodies unable to realize when certain body parts are unable to be used anymore. Robin's techniques involve submission and breaking so as long as she can break the body part it doesn't matter whether the zombie feels the pain or not. If she had been able to beat them Robin and Chopper wouldn't have been shown in submission by both Jigoro and Dogpen. That wasn't the case so I can safely say she is weaker than bot h Sanji and Zoro.
Also, you're not really using the scene with Robin grabbing Franky's balls to say she can beat any guy Strawhat are you? It was obviously a move used for comic relief that will never be used for an actual fight.
My entire point is that power in One Piece is conditional on circumstance. There are no tiers or any such thing in this series. Some crew members have advantages against certain enemies, that is all.
Except that there is. No matter what conditions you may set up some characters are just plain stronger than others. I mean that's how Shounen works, characters go through fights so they end up just plain better than how they were before. Oda isn't some magical author that these principle things don't apply to him. I mean he's made a great story, but you can easily notice things that are common in most other Shounen titles. It's not like it's a bad thing anyway, it's just how things work.
Here's an example; I mean just look at the Usopp vs Luffy fight. The former had alot of room so range wasn't an issue, Usopp had plenty of preptime to set up whatever he had in his arsenal. Yet even after all of that he still lost to Luffy.
You can't just go "what if so and so had seastone" or "oh hey insert name here magically has this rubber suit so insert name here's attacks are useless so now he can win!" It's about looking at a character, seeing what they have, and fairly figuring out who's stronger than who. As I mentioned earlier, it's not like it make Oda a terrible author or anything because of it.
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i don't understand what you are getting at with this thread you Robin has a higher bounty than sanji and every1 knows thats not because of fighting ability. Then it makes no sense thus making this thread pointless
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MDM.. the topic creator was talking about more then robin compared to sanji.
where do you place brook and franky compared to nami and robin and chopper etc?
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For me it's simple
Luffy
Zoro>=SanjiFranky
Robin
Brook
ChopperNami
UssopLuffy is the captain and he always beat guys which are way stronger than Zoro's or Sanji's opponents. Sanji and Zoro are, for now, at the same level, Oda shows us this everytime.
Franky is physically strong but he lacks speed and Brook ist just the opposite.
Robin has an amazing ability but against powerhouse she stands no chance (see TB against Dogpen and Jigiro)
Same for Chopper. He is strong but no way top tier. He have to use monsterpoint to defeat a much weaker ooponent than Sanji, Zoro or Luffy.
Nami and Ussop are weak but are still strong with thir know-how
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@Kidany:
Also, you're not really using the scene with Robin grabbing Franky's balls to say she can beat any guy Strawhat are you? It was obviously a move used for comic relief that will never be used for an actual fight.
Only partially. That is a much more effective technique than you are giving her credit for.
My point was that Robin tends to used simple painful techniques like the bending back of fingers, the twisting of arms, pulling of eyelids etc. to manipulate the bodies of her opponent and distract them while she prepares for the more devastating bone breaking grapples that you referred to. In fact, she generally reserves the spine crunching for when she is extremely angry.
My interpretation is that Robin tried a similar trick on jigorou, only to find that he was he was impervious to pain. This gave jiggy enough time to put a blade to her throat, disabling any chance to develop a new attack. Zoro does not have this resilience to pain and is therefore more vulnerable.
In fact, Robin DID defeat Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, and Nami simultaneously in chapter 114 when she was introduced as Miss All Sunday: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/114/10/
Admittedly she had the opportunity of surprise and all of them have advanced in power and techniques since then, but she should still get credit for that win.
Except that there is. No matter what conditions you may set up some characters are just plain stronger than others. I mean that's how Shounen works, characters go through fights so they end up just plain better than how they were before. Oda isn't some magical author that these principle things don't apply to him.
Actually, the main reason One Piece is so enthralling to me is because it DOESN'T follow that law of shounen that you refer to.
Devil fruits by their vary nature give their users near invulnerability towards certain attacks while giving them great weaknesses towards others. This allows for certain characters being able to defeat the "powerful" while being vulnerable to the "weak," like Perona for instance.
Similarly, Calipha defeated sanji easily and likely could take out luffy thanks to her ability to nullify physical strength. However, Nami doesn't use physical prowess in her attacks and could therefore beat up on calipha using trickery.
The best example of this is Luffy's relationship with Zoro. Luffy is vulnerable to slashing attacks from blades and could never therefore have defeated Mr. 1 or have much chance of ever taking Mihawk. That is why he REQUIRES the "Strongest Swordsman in the World" to be his #2. Similarly, Zoro could never think to defeat the likes of Enel of Crocodile because he lacks luffy's versatility of attack and defense.
So comparing the "power" of the two is useless because their strength is symbiotic. They need each other to survive on the Grand Line. These kinds of strengths and weaknesses make determining any universal "power rating" like in DBZ to be absolutely futile. You need more than just "power" to win battles in the GL. You need to make sure that your strengths and weaknesses match up well with your opponents, otherwise your battle will be as futile as Usopp vs Jyabura.
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The problem with Robin is that so far she had one serious fight against Yama and (once they got out of her precious ruins) it turned out he wasn't much of a challenge. She never had to work for the win, even Nami has had two fights like that (whatever you may think about their quality). So since we don't know what she can do under pressure, we can only speculate.
And the fact that she was being presented as a demon during Alabasta has a lot to do with her status as a villain. The good guys are usually underdogs so once she swiched sides she had to tone it down :)
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MDM.. the topic creator was talking about more then robin compared to sanji.
where do you place brook and franky compared to nami and robin and chopper etc?
Robin
Brook
Franky
Chooper
Usopp
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For me it's simple
Luffy
Zoro>=SanjiFranky
Robin
Brook
ChopperNami
UssopYou put Nami over Ussop :I
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Personally I'd have to go with
Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Franky
Nico Robin
Brooks
Tony Tony Chopper
Nami
UsoppIt was a tough one between Nami and Usopp, but being able to create mirages and control the weather put Nami ahead. I always think that Franky is on par with Sanji. And as we have all seen, Nico robin can defeat any MAN (sans Logias), unless luffy is unharmed from having rubber balls.
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Stop putting Nami over Ussop..
1. Ussop is a DAMAGE SPONGE - Nami is not
2. Ussop MADE HER WEAPON
3. Ussop has an inpact dial
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Usopp makeing her weapon has no impact whatesoever in their current standing. you cant just tribute that part of her strenght to him or say that without him she wouldnt have it because she has already gotten it.
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Usopp makeing her weapon has no impact whatesoever in their current standing. you cant just tribute that part of her strenght to him or say that without him she wouldnt have it because she has already gotten it.
Yes I can..
easily
Ussop could even take it back if he chose. Or make six for himself.
But he doesn't even need to do that to win
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Usopp makeing her weapon has no impact whatesoever in their current standing. you cant just tribute that part of her strenght to him or say that without him she wouldnt have it because she has already gotten it.
The fact that he makes her weapon puts him over the top because he would know the weapon better than she does. If they fought head up i think its defintley usopp > nami
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Okay…for one, there are only two categories. USUALLY
**Fighters (these guys usually fight the hardest opponents and thus take the longest)
1. Luffy
2. Zoro
3. Sanji
4. Franky (maybe Brooke, we really haven't seen him fight enough)
5. Brooke
**Support (they generally have the weakest opponents, so they quickly finish their fights and then help the other five.)
1. Robin
2. Chopper
3. Nami
4. UssopIMO
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@Lobster:
Yes I can..
easily
Ussop could even take it back if he chose. Or make six for himself.
But he doesn't even need to do that to win
@MonkeyDMalcolm:
The fact that he makes her weapon puts him over the top because he would know the weapon better than she does. If they fought head up i think its defintley usopp > nami
uhm guys… Usopp can't even use the climatacts properly. Nami relies on her knowledge of the weather and talent for that. Knowledge and talent he doesn't have.
They even commented on it first in the arabasta arc that he didn't even understand how powerfull it was.
You guys are making up some really wierd rules... If Ussop can take the climatact from Nami can't she take his slingshot and pouch away from him? I mean she is a theif after all.
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You guys are making up some really wierd rules… If Ussop can take the climatact from Nami can't she take his slingshot and pouch away from him?
No, because she didn't invent a magical slingshot through super science and give it to him
I mean she is a theif after all.
meh
Do you think Nami could take a 5 ton bat to the face?
Survive Ussop's Shurikens?
Take one shot from his Sogeking sling shot?
Survive his Water 7 Breath Dial Explosion?
Fall on her face from a million stories up?
Be repeatedly battered and impaled by giant wolf claws twice the size of her body?Could she even beat Chuu!?
nope^3
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The climatact isn't his anymore (never was really, he modified her already existing staff wepon)
He can't just take it from her unless she can remove whatever she wants from his arsenal. And he cantbloody use it either.And I'm not arguing their compared strenght LPS I'm just saying that is the most retarded argument for ranking someone stronger then someone else I'v ever heard.
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The climatact isn't his anymore (never was really, he modified her already existing staff wepon)
No. it's completely new
Her old staff was wooden. This one is completely metal, and filled with technology
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really? hmm
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/10/13/
The sound effect in that version when she snaps her staff together is just "snap" but in my volume its clunk and clink… I just allways assumed it is metal.
Where does it say/prove it's wooden?
Still since he gave it to her, it's hers now and he can't take it back just to be stronger then her in some stupid ranking.
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luffy
zoro
sanji
robin
franky
brooke
nami
chopper
ussop
gaimonbbbbbbbbbllllaaaaaaammmmmm
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really? hmm
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/10/13/
The sound effect in that version when she snaps her staff together is just "snap" but in my volume its clunk and clink… I just allways assumed it is metal.
Where does it say/prove it's wooden?
Still since he gave it to her, it's hers now and he can't take it back just to be stronger then her in some stupid ranking.
Well it's wooden in the anime.. (yea, non canon)
But still, they show the inside of the one he made her, and it's fully metal, wider, and completely hollow (even shown to resonate steam) Plus the ball attachments.. If that IS her old staff, then what he did is the equivalent to turning someones baseball bat into a twelve gage magical shotgun. So for all intents and purposes he made her weapon. Nami doesn't even use it like a bo staff like before. She's completely copped out and simply relies on Ussop's magic.Anyway, it doesn't really matter if she uses the staff or not. She's just weaker physically period
Ussop can take the amount of damage as the Big 3, or Big 4 now (if you include Franky) He also can deal out a lot of damage.
To all of you who think NAMI is stronger, how do you think her fight would have been against Luffy, if she were in Ussop's place at Water 7. Do you honestly think she could have done all that?
Saying Nami is stronger then Ussop is like saying Don Kriege is stronger then Mi Hawk
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as long as you stop using that stupid argument i dont really care who is stronger.
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Ok, how could some say because Ussop made the climatact that he knows more than her, shes the freaking navigator, who the heck knows more about weather than her, when she got the perfect climatact, who do you think made up those attacks, and beat someone from CP9, come on, just because she and Ussop don't have super strength doesn't mean they cant kick ass, right now Nami could probably beat Arlong and the enemies down from past arcs, like Morgan and ex. and so can Ussop, impact dial, and his new weapon (forgot the name) could whip Arlong, and Nami could fry the hell outta him, your not giving those guys the credit they deserve, they can kick just as much as the rest of the crew if they just toughen up and stop running, look at Enies Lobby when Nami and Ussop actually wanted to fight, they really did kick ass, and Ussop with Perona, who out the crew could beat her ghost, NOBODY, give the credit where's it's deserved!
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Ok, how could some say because Ussop made the climatact that he knows more than her, shes the freaking navigator, who the heck knows more about weather than her, when she got the perfect climatact
that he made..
beat someone from CP9,
Nami's fights.. are fanservice with the villian just standing there.. She never takes any real damage.
When has she gotten clawed the crap out of, smacked with a bat, punched in the face, or given multiple impact dials to the face? never
come on, just because she and Ussop don't have super strength doesn't mean they cant kick ass
Well sure she can. I'm just saying she's not as strong as Ussop
right now Nami could probably beat Arlong
HECK NO
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Usopp was stated by Oda to always be weakest so yes Nami is stronger than Usopp. Oda's opinions > yours.
Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Franky
Robin
Brook
Chopper
Nami
Usopp"Let me ask you something. If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"
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Usopp is stronger than Nami.
-Usopp can take much more damage
-Usopp is much faster
-Usopp is much more accurate
-Usopp is much more proficient in the use of weaponsNami's weapon is really only useful against cannon fodder, really. I mean her electric attack, her main one, has to be much weaker than Enel's, which most people who were hit by it survived, anyways. Her stronger attacks take time to set up and she's really only pulled them off by the enemies being distracted, stupid or something in between. Nami can't take much punishment at all, either. She was practically down after one shigan, while Usopp was still standing strong after ten at one time.
My tier list:
Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Franky
Brook
Robin
Usopp
Chopper
NamiThe Oda argument is weak as that is what he intended. He also intended for One Piece to last 5 years…
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Well I have yet to see Usopp take down a top tier fighter yet. Don't say Perona, if she didn't have her ghosts she would be Robin without her Hana Hana. And pretty sure you guys would agree worthless. She was weak, just noone could ever fight her. Now everybody has beaten a tough villian, even Nami did. So anyone saying Usopp is stronger than Nami is wrong. And until Oda says so, or directly shows us. Usopp is the weakest. And Whitebeard is currently the strongest.
Do you guys forget that Usopp beat nobody at Enies Lobby. When it came to the captains fighting later, the three people coming after him with some Geppo, or Soru type moving. He couldn't hit a single one. Nami has lightning on her side. It is impossible to dodge it.
Oh and bullshit on the he made her weapon so he is stronger. That is the most rediculous claim ever. Making someone weapon does not mean anything for strength in fighting. Plus he constantly is shown saying "i didn't know it could do that, or it wasn't meant to do that"
And the pain threshold arugument is tough to ever argue or prove. This is a shounen, the good guys always get their ass beat horribly then manage to barely win in the end. Only reason it looks like Usopp has more is becuase Nami is a girl. you never have a girl take a huge beating. poeple don't want to see that. Instead of loosing a shit ton of blood and having broken bones. Girls loose their clothing.
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Usopp was stated by Oda to always be weakest so yes Nami is stronger than Usopp. Oda's opinions > yours.
-He was obviously joking, as both Nami Robin AND Chopper can't take as much as he can
-What was the exact quote?And Ussop defeated top tier fighters. Chuu, Miss Christmas, Mr. 4, Perona, Bearsy
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Like I said earlier you can't really call Perona top tier. She was a weakling, she just had her DF which made no one able to ever fight her. He beat bearsy by just sticking salt in its mouth. He was getting worked. Miss Merry Christmas he had help, didn't really do any damage to them. Basically just was a decoy for Chopper to beat em. Chuu was only person he really beat, that was say a good fighter, or strong. And I would bet anyone in the crew could beat him.
And again like I said earlier, the girls don't take damage they just rip clothing and stuff. We dont' want ot see girls get beat to a pulp, so the artists don't draw that. And chopper has taken a ton of damage.
I'm not sure what the quote is, I just heard about it from others. But if Oda states he is gonna be the weakest, then he is the weakest until he beats a strawhat in 1 on 1, or Oda states otherwise. Its the same with Whitebeard argument. Until Whitebeard gets beat, he has the title for strongest.
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Sigh… I really despise these ranking threads.
It's all so vague and assumes that the strengths/weaknesses of each crew member don't depend on the situation. Depending on how you measure power, the rankings can be adjusted so that which ever character you prefer can be the strongest. So, any character can be considered the strongest if you design the situation to their benefit.
For example:
Underwater sanji is strongest.
In a hallway with little room for maneuverability, franky is strongest.
At range, usopp is strongest.So, considering this, how can you say one is universally more powerful than the other when so much is dependant on circumstance? There is no such thing as "pure combat strength" in one piece. That's what makes it not Dragon Ball, after all.
I fully agree with this opinion.
Congratz, you win this topic**imo
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Sigh, Lobster get this through your head. Just because Usopp made the weapon, doesn't mean that makes him a better fighter than Nami. Usopp can't just take the Climatact for himself because he doesn't even know how to use it. He said so himself in Arabasta that he thought it was nothing but a bunch of party tricks. He invented yes and he gets due credit for that but only Nami can use it to 100% effectiveness. Only something she can do with her great knowledge of the weather. It doesn't matter who amde the weapon, what matters is how you use it so saying Usopp is stronger than Nami just because he made her weapon when Nami can easily shock him to death with it when he can't is just plain retarded.
Also, Nami can't take all that stuff you mentioned because SHE IS NOT A DAMAGE SPONGE. Usopp's invulnerability is part of his strength. Nami doesn't have that power. It's just how they are like how Zoro is a swordsman and Sanji fights with kicks. However she has her own strengths like intelligence and impeccable knowledge of the weather that Usopp doesn't and that allows her to use her weapon with destructive force. Can Usopp take out an army of marines in 1 shot including Zoro and Sanji simultaneously? Face it, when it comes to pure destructive power, Nami outclasses Usopp so technically she is stronger than him. I mean, come on, she can control the fricken weather, Oz was killed by the weather. (Speaking of which, did you conveniently forget how she helped make Brooke an electric missile and helped freeze Oz with Franky. Bet you did because you're prejudiced like that)
But the thing is, in One Piece, outcomes of fights are never clear cut and it is always mostly dependent on chance. You never know how things will turn out. I mean, look at Usopp. He was raped by the Franky Family because they ganged up on him before he could use his slingshot then he went the following night and almost beat Luffy who beat the Franky Family with ease. It really is all dependent on the situation. My point, this ranking system is retarded.
However, if you strip away everything and go to pure basic strength, Usopp is weaker than Nami for the reasons I have stated. That doesn't mean she'd beat him in a fight nor that he'll beat her in a fight. Usopp's power is cleverness and precision, Nami's is intelligence and weather control. Who'll win in a fight against whom really depends on the situation at hand. For example, Usopp may survive a 4 ton bat to the head but can he survive a spear to the brain? Could he have beaten Ms. Double Finger. Probably not, because his destructive power wasn't that great in Arabasta but Nami did have that destructive power and was able to dodge all her attacks due to her Climatact's Mirage Tempo and finish her off with its great destructive ability. I really don't see how Usopp could pull that off.
Oh and about this retarded notion of Nami having fan-service fights and never doing anything. Ms Double Finger did quite a bit seeing as she stabbed her repeatedly, in the shoulder, her face and don't forget her feet. And thing is she really didn't have the luxury of taking 4 tonesque damage from her since apart from the fact that she doesn't have that resilience, no one, not even Usopp , can take a spear to the brain. Califa's fight was similar. True Califa, wasn't serious at first. She just got a new DF power and wanted to test it out a bit but as soon as she got bored with it, she went serious on Nami with her Shigans and Rankyakus and what not (and she shiganed her twice btw and kicker her) but Nami beat her by applying her intelligence and good control of the weather. And you can really see how she came a long way from Arabasta. In Arabasta, she was just running away but here she stood her ground and used her head by studying her opponent's weakness to beat her. Really impressive display of intelligence and weather control and far more than a mere fan-service fight in my opinion.
Seriously, if you're waiting for Nami to start taking heavy hits, don't because Nami can't take heavy hits. She'd die. That's part of whom she is like how Usopp can take a lot of Damage and Zoro is as strong as a monster. But that doesn't make her weaker, it makes her different from Usopp with different conditions applying to her so she has to take on opponents in a different way. Rather than taking heavy hits, she dodges her opponent with trickery and Mirage Tempos and takes out her opponent when she has the chance. Can you blame her? It's the way she fights. Is that underhanded? This is the pirate world. There are no rules. Oh and Usopp hammered Chuu while he was down so… Speaking off I doubt Chuu can take a lightning strike especially considering he'd probably be wet and all.
To conclude this lengthy discussion which you will most probably ignore points that prove I'm right and selectively quote to fit your ideas, stripping things down to the bare essentials, Nami has more destructive power if that's what we're defining strength as. If it's resilience, Usopp would win. But like I said, strength is not clear cut in One Piece and depends on a number of conditions and circumstances. Trying to compare is pretty dumb and if we do try to define it by basic power, than Nami is pretty much stronger by the sheer damage she can inflict on an opponent.
Oh and he wasn't joking Lobster. It was in an interview where Oda-sensei said in a very serious mood with no ambiguity in a very clear manner, Usopp is the weakest and will always be the weakest and I want him to be the weakest because that's part of his character and him overcoming it is what makes him a great character or something to that effect.
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Everyone here has been ignoring the true measure of "strength" up until now. Even me! I'm guilty of it too! The true measure of strength is in how bad they smell!
Choppper comes in first, since the smell of wet reindeer is something awful. As a thoroughly decayed corpse, Brook comes in second. Usopp's gaseous eruptions could throw Chopper off of Absalom's scent, so he comes in third. The Monster Trio's monstrous smells only bring them to a three-way tie for fourth. Cola is only able to propel Franky to fifth. Nami and Robin come in dead last. [/isthisanylessstupidthananythingelsehere?]
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brook shouldn't be smelling at all… everything that smells is gone.. and he even took a bath recently (when luffy fell into the water he and chopper jumped in after him =P)
wouldn't frankys constant cola consumption give him halitosis or something? Obviously Brook finds his breath hideous as every time Franky screams at Brook (during his skull jokes) he has to turn away and inadvertently face the reader.
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I'm sorta sad that my lengthy, well thought out post has been followed by what the Straw Hats smell like.
In any case, didn't Oda-Sensei already say what the Straw Hats smelled like anyway? Luffy like meat, Usopp like gun powder etc
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@Don:
yeah it
s also stated that WB is the strongest…cant chance than either or what?? ever heard of "development" usopp grows from island to island(good that he don`t lose his funny attitudes)
But the thing is that those are two different situations.
"Whitebeard is the strongest"
Is stating that he is the strongest at the time, intill someone prooves that wrong.
"Usopp will always be the weakest, no matter who joins the crew."
Means, that he is the weakest no matter what. I might of paraphrase the quote, but it was more or less that.As for the Brook argument.
I don't think Brook is weak, but we don't know where he fits in yet. Basically all we seen of him is;
Victory through sneak attack
Victory over grunts
Lost by Villian
Lost by Villian (Flash back)
Lost by Unkown Enemy that caused his death (Flash back)
Victory over gruntsOnly 2 of those battles really count. As most of the time we see montages of all the Straw Hats devistating grunts. Even Robin taken out a huge crowd.
He only wins 1/2 of the time, and his only wins are through sneak attacks and over grunts. Obviously stronger than Franky, who's won almost of his battle, and the only reason he lost to who Brook won over is due to the spider attacking him when he wasn't looking.Another Argument would be;
Zoro didn't purify his General Zombie, he destoryed him.
Brook purified his General Zombie, without really fighting it.
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But the thing is that those are two different situations.
"Whitebeard is the strongest"
Is stating that he is the strongest at the time, intill someone prooves that wrong.
"Usopp will always be the weakest, no matter who joins the crew."
Means, that he is the weakest no matter what. I might of paraphrase the quote, but it was more or less that.As for the Brook argument.
I don't think Brook is weak, but we don't know where he fits in yet. Basically all we seen of him is;
Victory through sneak attack
Victory over grunts
Lost by Villian
Lost by Villian (Flash back)
Lost by Unkown Enemy that caused his death (Flash back)
Victory over gruntsOnly 2 of those battles really count. As most of the time we see montages of all the Straw Hats devistating grunts. Even Robin taken out a huge crowd.
He only wins 1/2 of the time, and his only wins are through sneak attacks and over grunts. Obviously stronger than Franky, who's won almost of his battle, and the only reason he lost to who Brook won over is due to the spider attacking him when he wasn't looking.Another Argument would be;
Zoro didn't purify his General Zombie, he destoryed him.
Brook purified his General Zombie, without really fighting it.already heard of that statement from oda but i think we need here the exactly words..
but whatever we know oda chanced a lot of his answers…so dont handle this as a absolute fact also it cant be cause usopps goal is to become a brave warrior of the seas...and how should he fulfill his dream when he cant even be stronger than the navigation girl on his own crew??? c`mon you know at the end they will all get their dreams ...and usopp must be in OP a stronger fighter to get the title of "brave" more or less....why have he than such a chara development with sogeking and always his inner monologues??? cause so the reader sees how he get stronger...yeah probably or not ..for brook.
again we havent seen much of him how could you think that he is soooo strong i mean he will be strong but just because he slices two low villains he cant even be above chopper...
we see in OP thousend of low enemies which slice any other1 to show how "strong" they are...and know the same for brook and you all think...wow hes stronger than chopper or robin orso...cmon loosing half of his fights and not seeing him in a real battle cant put him in such a high crew rank just because hes a swordfighter:getlost: wait to see him in a real battleand again MONSTERCHOPPER is god damn strong so why is chopper on the low tier in the crew-ranking??? i mean luffy is also weaker than zoro maybe without his gears...:blink:count CHOPPER`s MONSTER-FORM!!!
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The SBS is not biblical truth, and I wish you guys would stop taking it out of context.
Usopp is not the weakest fighter because every time he starts to gain a little muscle, the SBS police show up and beat it out of him. Nor is it some kind of mantra Oda chants daily to remember not to give usopp a good fight.
Usopp is the weakest in combat because he's afraid of getting hurt. …He's the only straw hat that's motivated by pain. This adds to a COMEDY shonen manga because of all the straw hats, Usopp is second only to Zoro in the sheer amount of pain he takes. Usopp walks into a bar and breaks his nose.
Also, concerning Zoro, each straw hat is best at their ship desigination, over their combat skills. Zoro's position IS a combat poisition, and that gives him a huge boost. Zoro and Usopp are the only two Strawhats whos listed jobs are to fight.
So my ranking goes
Luffy/Zoro (we still dont know who is stronger, maybe we never will)
Sanji
Franky
Robin
Brook
Chopper
Nami
UsoppNow I loathe to put Usopp on the bottom, but like I said, he doesnt like getting hurt and that's the first rule of fighting. It doesnt make him useless as a character OR a straw hat.
Between Franky and Usopp defending the Sunny, nothing is getting though. I really hope they work for a defensive role because 1, they're good at it, 2, Usopp wont get everything he owns broken into a million tiny shards like usual, 3, with Usopp covering Franky's butt Franky can repair anything as fast as it's damaged.
Brook I think is going to be support for the ground-team. with his music, speed and finesse, he can pop into whoever's fight, restore the upperhand and dart out without ruffling too many feathers.
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Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Brook
Franky
Robin
Chopper
Ussop
Namieasy:
luffy no doubt
zoro pure fight and cut
sanji is more "inteligent" in fact tons of times he does things to help the crew more than fighting
brook pure bones D:
franky SUPPPPPEEEEERRRRR
Robin multi hand job ? xD
then chopper is strong but childish and he got really scared of things
ussop has a lot of endurance and even if he is a coward he is always playing tricks and searching the way to find the enemy weakness
nami not strong neither has a high endurance only inteligence and a good weapon for herThis exactly what I would ranked them, I don't know why Brooke is so underrated, He did more damage to that Spider monkey Zombie with that one move than anything Franky used against it and did it so fast that when he appeared he already finished the attack and place salt in it's mouth without anyone noticing.
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Like I said earlier you can't really call Perona top tier. She was a weakling, she just had her DF which made no one able to ever fight her. He beat bearsy by just sticking salt in its mouth. He was getting worked.
No.. Perona was strong with her Karasu exploding ghost bombs. Ussop even took several hits. And did you not see Bearsy claw the crap out of him? Or him blow the other general Zombie's face in with an impact dial? Or even blow up Spandam from 100 yards away?
And chopper has taken a ton of damage.
Not nearly as much
And again like I said earlier, the girls don't take damage they just rip clothing and stuff.
Girls are generally weaker then males in the OP world as well.
Sigh, Lobster get this through your head. Just because Usopp made the weapon, doesn't mean that makes him a better fighter than Nami.
It just means he gave her her stregnth. Without Ussop, Nami is practically nothing.
Nami can easily shock him to death with it
-How? Enel couldn't even shock him to death
-What makes you think he won't be able to destroy her first? Do you honestly think NAMI could keep up with Ussop as he was when he fought Luffy?Also, Nami can't take all that stuff you mentioned because SHE IS NOT A DAMAGE SPONGE.
Yea.. hence being weaker
Usopp's invulnerability is part of his strength. Nami doesn't have that power.
Correct
Can Usopp take out an army of marines in 1 shot including Zoro and Sanji simultaneously?
Yes, with his exploding breath dial. Plus he took out about 20 individually in Enis Lobby
Face it, when it comes to pure destructive power, Nami outclasses Usopp
When.. using the magical weapon he made her?
so technically she is stronger than him.
You no nothing
I mean, come on, she can control the fricken weather, Oz was killed by the weather.
…..........................
(Speaking of which, did you conveniently forget how she helped make Brooke an electric missile and helped freeze Oz with Franky. Bet you did because you're prejudiced like that)
Prejudice? o_o …
wtf is wrong with you?
I mean, look at Usopp. He was raped by the Franky Family because they ganged up on him before he could use his slingshot
You think Nami would have beaten Franky and the Franky Family?
However, if you strip away everything and go to pure basic strength, Usopp is weaker than Nami
No he is not
Oh and about this retarded notion of Nami having fan-service fights and never doing anything.
Nami's fights are the easiest in comparison to everyone else. The villaness stands there. Nami does stuff. Villian fights a very little bit, mostly missing. Fanservice Fanservice. Fight over
(and she shiganed her twice btw and kicker her)
As oppesed to the thousands of claws to th face Jabura gave Ussop?
Really impressive display of intelligence and weather control and far more than a mere fan-service fight in my opinion.
Ohh, your a fanboy.. that's why your arguing so tenaciously..
Seriously, if you're waiting for Nami to start taking heavy hits, don't because Nami can't take heavy hits. She'd die.
correct..
Oh and Usopp hammered Chuu while he was down so…
so..? He hammered him when he was running too
Nami has more destructive power if that's what we're defining strength as.
Who said we were? And Usopp's breath dial explosion was larger then anything Nami has made
If it's resilience, Usopp would win.
It's a combination
Oh and he wasn't joking Lobster. It was in an interview where Oda-sensei said in a very serious mood with no ambiguity in a very clear manner
Crap
Oda also said that Nami may be the "Strongest Straw Hat" in one of the character polls. He was obviously joking as she is seen to nock them out in comical situations.
Or he wasn't even including Nami when he said that, as the group was just Nami, Ussop, and the Big 3 back then. Out of the actual fighters who had had major fights (around the end of the East Blue Arch) Ussop will always be the weakest.
TRUE LIST 1. Luffy
2. Zoro, Franky, Sanji
3. Brooke - Robin (when he powers work against her opponent
4. Chopper - Usopp (at times chopper shows lack of experience)
5. Nami
6. Robin (when powers rendered ineffective)
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if you dont count the bloody climatact to Nami you cant count the damage absorbtion to usopp. "he wouldn't have survived without Chopper".
bloody stupid argument.
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I think ussop is stronger but I don't count making namis weapon as something to back that up with, Tom made the oro jackson, should he be the pirate king?
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The thing about Robin is that she can take out decently strong people, but when it comes down to the powerhouses there's not much she can do.
Her very first fight as a strawhat was AGAINST a powerhouse=that mountain guy, kama or whatever. And she owned him completely.
Robin is a friggin powerhouse she just has no durability like all the girls in OP.
I rly think people are overestimating Franky's strength. His fighting abilities are really varied and all because he's not especially great at any specific fighting style.Even Chopper has had more fights than Usopp so I don't get where you've gotten this idea of Usopp getting as much screentime fight-wise as Luffy, Zoro or even Sanji. Also he's nowhere near the top 3 in strength. While during Usopp vs Luffy he put up a decent fight; as soon as Luffy got that first hit in he was basically done.
You do realize Usopp got mugged beyond recognition less than twenty four hours before that fight right? He could barely stand and still gave Luffy a run for his money. You seem to keep using convenient situations that support your theories and ignoring everything else.
I'm really suprised so many people think Franky is some kind of behemoth. He seems considerably weaker than Robin to me. Like he's at the top of the second tier of fighters but he's nowhere near the big three.Also Oda-sensei always makes a clear distinction that Robin can almost keep up with the monster trio. She's always labeled as the "powerful lady" on the ship. -
@Don:
already heard of that statement from oda but i think we need here the exactly words..
but whatever we know oda chanced a lot of his answers…so dont handle this as a absolute fact also it cant be cause usopps goal is to become a brave warrior of the seas...and how should he fulfill his dream when he cant even be stronger than the navigation girl on his own crew??? c`mon you know at the end they will all get their dreams ...and usopp must be in OP a stronger fighter to get the title of "brave" more or less....why have he than such a chara development with sogeking and always his inner monologues??? cause so the reader sees how he get stronger...yeah probably or not ..for brook.
again we havent seen much of him how could you think that he is soooo strong i mean he will be strong but just because he slices two low villains he cant even be above chopper...
we see in OP thousend of low enemies which slice any other1 to show how "strong" they are...and know the same for brook and you all think...wow hes stronger than chopper or robin orso...cmon loosing half of his fights and not seeing him in a real battle cant put him in such a high crew rank just because hes a swordfighter:getlost: wait to see him in a real battleand again MONSTERCHOPPER is god damn strong so why is chopper on the low tier in the crew-ranking??? i mean luffy is also weaker than zoro maybe without his gears...:blink:count CHOPPER`s MONSTER-FORM!!!
People are underestimating Brooke again i see, Tallaran isn't a Low level villian he took a relentless assault from Franky and was still standing and yet Brooke with one attack did more than all that Damage and that's just his swordsmanship he can also use music as aid for battles we already know he can put people to sleep with it. he lose to Ryuuma, So? Ryuuma is a Super Brooke so of course he lost, we all know what happened to Chopper, Ussop and Nami went he fought them they lost instantly so he's not nearly as weak as the Low-Tiers.
I don't think people include Monster Chopper when they Rank him
My exact Rankings:
Luffy /w Gears
Zoro
Sanji
Monster Chopper (He tanked all of Kumadori's Attack and destroyed him)
Brooke
Base Luffy = Franky (they were pretty even during W7, but Luffy recently did the Spirit thing, but that's the only real feat he did without gears in a
while)
Robin
Chopper (Non Monster)
Ussop
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if you dont count the bloody climatact to Nami you cant count the damage absorbtion to usopp.
…what?
"damage absorption" is and an ability .. or an item someone gave him.. It's his body's natural strength.
@Ao:he's not especially great at any specific fighting style.
Franky is just as strong as the big 3.
Remember Water 7? He went toe to toe with Luffy there, just like Zoro did. Except he was actually owning Luffy most of the time, before the Galley Workers Showed up
With Gears of course, Luffy would win. Just like he would against Zoro and Sanji. However at their base forms, Oda has made sure that they remain equal. Even with Zoro's "swords" he never has him defeat Sanji. So even defying logic, he keeps them even.
Zoro=Sanji=Franky
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@Lobster:
…what?
"damage absorption" is and an ability .. or an item someone gave him.. It's his body's natural strength.
Franky is just as strong as the big 3.Remember Water 7? He went toe to toe with Luffy there, just like Zoro did. Except he was actually owning Luffy most of the time, before the Galley Workers Showed up
With Gears of course, Luffy would win. Just like he would against Zoro and Sanji. However at their base forms, Oda has made sure that they remain equal. Even with Zoro's "swords" he never has him defeat Sanji. So even defying logic, he keeps them even.
Zoro=Sanji=Franky
No way. Yes Franky is physically strong as hell but he lacks speed and agility and he needs Cola to use powerful attacks.
