Hum, Brook and his whole pirate crew were killed 10 years ago… could it be by MiHawk ?
tens of years ago
meaning multiple decades.
also he says "group of pirates" which indicates it is not mihawk.
Hum, Brook and his whole pirate crew were killed 10 years ago… could it be by MiHawk ?
tens of years ago
meaning multiple decades.
also he says "group of pirates" which indicates it is not mihawk.
imagine, he runs on water, cut an enemy´s ship, put back the sword in the cane and run away while the ship is pwned
Yay! Imagine Brook totally stealing Zoro's thunder!
Zoro should be the only one in the crew who can do feats like that, because he's the crew's Swordsman! If you're already thinking up scenarios where Brook does things usually atributed to Zoro, you're proving that a second swordsman is unnecessary.
It seems like we're having the "Brook is a pervert like Sanji, he won't join!" - "No, Sanji's not a pervert! He just really likes women! Brook is totally different and doesn't have a special reaction to attaractive women like Sanji does. Oh wait…" discussion all over again.
This time it's "Brook is a swordsman, like Zoro, he won't join!" - "No he's totally different!".
The reasons people have been trying to bring up are things like their weapons not being the exact same, the direction of their cuts (omg, like chalk and cheese) and some are trying to push some sort of sound-waves explanation for his attack.
For 450 chapters, Zoro has been fighting swordsmen. Not a single one of these (Cabaji, Octi, Skypiea cloud sword guy, Kaku, Tashigi, Mr. 1...) used the exact same swords as Zoro or in the same way. They've all had characteristic ways of using an array of different blades that we refer to as swords. People who wield swords are called Swordsmen (with perhaps the exception of Shanks) and it's Zoro's dream to be the best among them. We don't need another swordsman crew-member if the one we have is already going to be the best.
Zoro is going to be facing stronger and stronger Swordsmen the further he goes. Having a second, weaker swordsman aboard just doesn't make sense, they're going to need heavy-hitters like Franky if the want to face the New World. Recruiting mediocre people is out of the question.
On to the sound thing: Did Ryuuma sing/hum anything before performing the very same attack on Nami & co.? I'm too lazy to go check, but I don't think he did. It's an iaido technique and I love it. Brook's fighting style is great, just not Strawhat material.
the main problem is,
brook is swordsman, and his skill is good, with 1 sword.
and, zoro is swordsman that want to become the greatest swordsman in the world.
if brook is better than zoro, than zoro and brook surely will fight to make who is the greatest swordsman.
but, at this point, brook is no longer a man, he is a ghost, so, brook will be the greatest swords"ghost".???
but i dont mind add 1 sword user on the crew.
hogback mentions that he was humming but i cant read the soundeffects as they werent translated in my version of the chapter.
Edit: decided to not touch the Zoro vs Brook issue even with a long stick.
On another note: who were the 3 guys that woke Moria up? they seem very mysterious to me… could they be the mysterious 3 that Hildon is talking about? =P
IMO I'm more inclined to believe that Brooke uses sound waves (humming) rather than strength (Zoro) to produce resonances that transmits vibrations to a medium (Brooke's cane) causing the sound waves to be sharp enough to cut an object, hence the cutting Tallaran thingy.
still, Zoro will want to fight with Brooke….... Brooke is still a swordsman....... and Zoro have to fight every swordsman eventually.........
Yeah Brook's the musician and Zoro's the swordsman. I don't see why Brook can't be allowed to join. Afterall, Luffy's crew is THE most interesting one: they have a stretchy guy, a money-lubbing navigator, a soon-to-be-legendary swordsman, a perverted cook, a lying sniper, (it gets interesting from here) a half-animal doctor, an intelligent, multi-handed, biligual and hot archeologist and finally a cyborg ship-dismantler. What's a music-loving skeleton to them anymore?
Hm… Brooke seems to have completely character traits in this chapter. He looks so badass and calm... but when he met the crew, he was laughing all the time and just think about his sentence: "I hate ghosts, even if I see them I start crying!" (I'm confused anyway, he wasen't scared when he saw Talleran, but this spider looks scary enough, eh?) But maybe I'm just seeing stupid things, maybe Brooke is one of those guys who get very serious in dangerous situations... but he pwnd Talleran so easily, the situation wasn't... so... dangerous.
I have a very crazy theory about this:
Brooke is schizophrenic! XD This could explain why his behaviour changed that much... and just think about: He was alone all the time, I heard some people became schizophrenic when they are alone... (Yay, Brooke was talking to himself all the time! XD) Or he was already schizophrenic when he died, so the enemy was able to kill this great swordsman, because he was fighting against "Happy Brookie-Brooke". And maybe Happy-Brooke has a different fighting-style than Badass-Brooke.
... and for the Pro-Brookes (for example me!): Schizophrenia could be a completely new character trait in the strawhat crew
Yes, I LIKE my theories XD
Brooke using a sword doesn't automatically take him out of the nakama list.
Sure, every swordsman I can remember of ended up dueling Zoro, but they were all villains or represented a real challenge do Zoro. At this point, it doesn't make any sense a Brooke X Zoro fight. The strawhats went to the island to help Brooke, not fight him!
Besides, just like Usopp served as a carpenter for a long time in the series, he's actually the sniper of the group. I see no problems with Brooke having some extra abilities aside from being the crew's musician. The humming swordsman (be it just plain skill or some sound wave trick) thing is a way to make Brooke a decent fighter, and not some weakling that does nothing but sing and play a violin. Remember, this a shonen manga we're talking about. Even Usopp, with all the bashing, has some kind of fighting skill.
still, Zoro will want to fight with Brooke….... Brooke is still a swordsman....... and Zoro have to fight every swordsman eventually.........
Every swordsman? every single member of the marines? even the lowest ranks?
Can't he be considered stronger then Brook without fighting him?
and even if he DOES fight Brook what prevents them from haveing a friendly match? does it have to be to the death? its not like Brook absolutely has to be the best just like Zoro.
Brooke doesn't need to be better/equal to Zoro to justify his swordfighting. He just needs to be able to do something that Zoro can't.
Using soundwaves to fight seems a good enough 'something'.
It could be that Brook uses his sword like a tunning fork rather then a traditional sword. In the end we'll see how Oda decides to handle this character.
laffite's style may be simillar to brook's,now that the cane sword is introduced
i think the matches will go like this: brook vs jigorouh and ryuma vs zoro,zoro needs that sword of ryuma's but zoro will be roven stronger tan brook
well brook seems super strong but franky was pawning the spider monkey too
like i said i think he is in franky's league but i thought he would use something that had to do with sound
but damn this arc is showing like it will last at least one year,i see one piece reaching 1500 chapters in the end
Looks like Zoro might have a sparring partner on the ship if Brooke trully does join. Thanks again for this chapter man.
Hmm….haven't read the chapter yet but going by what I've heard so far: not sure if I'm a fan of Brooke having the old sword cane weapon just yet but yes he is indeed bad ass. Still, I'd like to see him do some things involving his Yomi Yomi no Mi or his skeleton body. (How's about disesembling parts of his body to form new weapons? I mean, its not very likely but its a theory)
For those of you who have forgotten, Zoro was good friends with Johnny and Yosaku, who were both sword wielders.
Zoro doesn't automatically want to ruin the shit of every swordsman he notices. As Mihawk implied, it's apparently possible in the One Piece canon for a swordsman to recognize how much more skilled he is in comparison to his opponent.
If Brook isn't a threat to his dream, it shouldn't be an issue.
http://www.kopes.com/swords/cane-swords/united-sword-cane-natural-wood-handle.htm
This sword looks quite similair to what Brooke is using.
The gentleman of the old days ahd often canes with those swords drunkenpanda show.
So why would he not join the crew, he plays music and sings and ahs a good fighting style?
What would be completely out of left field would be if Brooke joins the team, Zoro requests a sparring match, and in the next frame we see Brooke with his sword pointed at a disarmed Zoro on the ship floor.
"Yohoho, try harder next time!"
This forum would explode.
What would be completely out of left field would be if Brooke joins the team, Zoro requests a sparring match, and in the next frame we see Brooke with his sword pointed at a disarmed Zoro on the ship floor.
"Yohoho, try harder next time!"
This forum would explode.
That would be beyond amazing.
Only problem is that Zoro vowed to never lose any sword duel, and that would destroy such a promise.
i think the matches will go like this: brook vs jigorouh and ryuma vs zoro,zoro needs that sword of ryuma's but zoro will be roven stronger tan brook
Frankly, I think that Jigorouh is going to be beaten about as easily as Absolom beat Dogpen.
Now, about Brooke, here's another idea. Just because he did that awesome sword attack, who says that Brooke is limited to swords? He has been described as a "swashbuckler" which gives me the impression that he could be a fighter skilled in using everything around him to fight. He uses a sword, but he's also fast and agile. Brooke could be a fighter like in all those pirate movies, he uses a sword, but that's not the limit of his abilities.
I guess I'm thinking of a "jack of all trades" fighter.
Maybe as long as something can resonate well, Brooke can fight using it.
His sword's pretty thin, after all.
i think brooke will end up being a all around fighter that uses a sword. imagine him using the sword but also kicking and punching his opponents. i think he is going to be similar to how i think shanks fights. one thing that may end up stopping him from joining is his relationship with cindry. if they are long lost lovers then they may end up staying together on the ship with all the weirdo zombies.
Who said Zoro fought every single swordsman? I last time I checked, Chaka and Lulu both used swords, and even Baskerville, yet Zoro didn't fight them.
Not to mention a good deal of those Zombie Generals have swords as well and we all know right now that Zoro's not gonna take them all on.
Right; it is best that we do our researches first before jumping to conclusions. Zoro did not fight every single swordsman he encountered.
the best thing to do is wait to see what happened to Luffy, Sanji and Zoro's bodies,… (maybe now they now have numbers tattoed...
^_^'
Dacaji: Moria seems to keep his victims alive without zombiefieing them, the old man in the woods is just very wounded hes not a zombie.
also i think your signature might be a little to big.
Bogia: Why wouldnt the spidermice be a top priority after Robin was captured? she needs to remove them to even have a chance at freeing herself. and as long as they are still there to fight Franky must watch out for them when he is fighting.
My speculation would be that robin was more worried about the humongous zombie spider monkey that could break her legs with a flick of its finger unless she got out of that web.
Also, the chapter ended without any resolution. Your hope of robin beating on the spidemice could still come to pass next chapter.
I agree with you though on avoiding the brooke vs zoro discussion. There's no point to it and people keep rehashing the same argument over and over to no end.
@Hiso:
Hm… Brooke seems to have completely character traits in this chapter. He looks so badass and calm... but when he met the crew, he was laughing all the time and just think about his sentence: "I hate ghosts, even if I see them I start crying!" (I'm confused anyway, he wasen't scared when he saw Talleran, but this spider looks scary enough, eh?) But maybe I'm just seeing stupid things, maybe Brooke is one of those guys who get very serious in dangerous situations... but he pwnd Talleran so easily, the situation wasn't... so... dangerous.
Well, all of the other crew members cried when they saw the ghosts too. Even zoro. Him saying that was a spoiler of Perona's powers and not necessarily evidence that he is a coward or schizo.
Rule#129 of anime/manga. No matter how brave they are, every anime character will be afraid when they come face-to-face with a ghost. And it looks like the dead are no exception to this.
And yes, it was just an example of Perona's powers.
My speculation would be that robin was more worried about the humongous zombie spider monkey that could break her legs with a flick of its finger unless she got out of that web.
Also, the chapter ended without any resolution. Your hope of robin beating on the spidemice could still come to pass next chapter.
I agree with you though on avoiding the brooke vs zoro discussion. There's no point to it and people keep rehashing the same argument over and over to no end.
Well, all of the other crew members cried when they saw the ghosts too. Even zoro. Him saying that was a spoiler of Perona's powers and not necessarily evidence that he is a coward or schizo.
Wasnt the spidermonkey getting his behind handed to him by Franky untill he (Franky)noticed robin was captured?
Also this is just my speculation but i belive Robin is aware that the zombies are trying to capture them rather then killing them so as she is acctually caught she doesn't need to worry about the big spider monkey untill she gets free. While the spider rats are all a problem UNTILL she gets free. they are still there to prevent her from getting free otherwise they would have moved on to Franky.
Imo the spider rats are the immediate problem that needs to be handeled, the big spider is not.
If she cant figure that out it just strenghtens my opinion about her inconsistancy in assesing the situations she experiences.
The only hope is that she acctually needs to cross her hands to do her thing but i would still be really annoyed if that was the case. (or ofc kicking their butts in the next chapter)
Brook does seem a bit schizo when he's asking for the food but i dont think its as severe as Hiso belives it to be. agree with the forshadowing theory.
Dude if zoro had to fight every swordsman it would be like yugioh. Challenging people to a dual like every minute.he would be beating the crap out of random guys with swords. It would actually be quite funny
As long as the styles are different I'll be happy with two sword fighters. After all Zoro has his famous and (I assume) very strong swords. Brooks sword cane is mostly likely much more fragile. He have to use more finesse where zoro tends to be brute strength.
Plus there the hope that his singing/music is part of his fighting style.
For me this chapter is all franky. I even made my first lousy avatar in honor of the moment. Pillarchucks, Yo!
like every potential nakama before, a war has begun. and both sides have valid points, but why get all upset about it? we really won't know until Oda tells us so, and be sure he'll throw us for a few loops along the way.
i remember people saying franky would never join and usopp would never come back to the crew up until the chapter in which they (re)joined, and even then certain people were doubtful. there's always a reason for thinking otherwise, but i think we can all agree that when it comes to one piece, there are very few reliable "rules" when it comes to what can happen.
but for the record, i'm on the pro-brooke side. :)
we've only seen him do one attack (so who knows whether or not he's a "swordsman"), he's a musician, and luffy has vowed to help him. what else do you need? and even if he doesn't stay on the crew, he'll make a helluva temporary strawhat a la vivi.
The only swordsmen Zoro will be fighting is the enemy (so no point for him to fight others, especially Brooke, since he's not one of the swordsmen who want to be the best in swordmanship.
Anyway, I want to see what happens to Tellaran badly
I wonder if Nami telling Lola she is a man will be a problem later. If the dog-penguin finds out, for example.
I also wonder if the dog-penguin will have a problem with clashing loyalties later, since it is a member of Perona's troops. If Perona ordered it to attack Nami, would it do it?
Imo the spider rats are the immediate problem that needs to be handeled, the big spider is not … If she cant figure that out it just strenghtens my opinion about her inconsistancy in assesing the situations she experiences.
I'm having trouble following your logic. Just because a person knows the root cause of something doesn't mean that they can automatically respond appropriately to that root cause. Especially in the heat of battle. Robin isn't the only Mugiwara to make an error of judgement in the heat of battle. (In fact, she's probably made fewer miss-steps in battle than Zoro has. And I say this as a Zoro fan, too!)
And even if Robin did have enough presence of mind to correctly assess the situation in the heat of battle, who's to say that the most appropriate response from her would be to generate extra hands to help Franky or to free herself? Have you considered that there might be a strategic reason for Robin not using her DF powers at that point?
Who's to say that her "helping" hands wouldn't become stuck in the webbing also? (It's fairly common knowledge that the more a captive thrashes about in a web, the more its body surface attaches to the webbing, and therefore the more "captive" the captive becomes. Thrashing about also tires a captive faster, which makes it easier for the spider when it's time to dine).
Robin's an extremely perceptive woman : she's shown us time and time again throughout this manga, both in her past and in her present. It would be foolish to assume that she hasn't got an appropriate strategy just because that strategy isn't immediately evident to the majority of the readers.
Can i ask what seems like a very moronic question; why must the humming have something to do with his sword? we saw Brooke actually singing and humming this chapter. why isn't the humming in reference to that?
Because Humming is used in the name of the attack.
In that regard, Zoro's used a lot of animal names in his attacks, i mean lion song really looks nothing like or sounds nothing like a lion.
I'm having trouble following your logic. Just because a person knows the root cause of something doesn't mean that they can automatically respond appropriately to that root cause. Especially in the heat of battle. Robin isn't the only Mugiwara to make an error of judgement in the heat of battle. (In fact, she's probably made fewer miss-steps in battle than Zoro has. And I say this as a Zoro fan, too!)
Yes this is exactly why i am pissed at her. she is so inconsistant in her responses, her strategic ability fluxuates with so big differences.
It is my opinion that she is a brilliant strategist just that some odd times the elevator doest go all the way to the top.
And even if Robin did have enough presence of mind to correctly assess the situation in the heat of battle, who's to say that the most appropriate response from her would be to generate extra hands to help Franky or to free herself? Have you considered that there might be a strategic reason for Robin not using her DF powers at that point?
Yes letting the only 2 members she knows isn't yet captured and "lost" get caught is a brilliant plan =P
No seriously, we get told that "human strenght" cant get someone out of that net so I am assuming she has tried and found that she cant get free on herself. so she will need to do something else.
since she presumibly can do something against the spider rats there are less enemies to fight for franky. However we could get an explanation about this the next chapter.
Who's to say that her "helping" hands wouldn't become stuck in the webbing also? (It's fairly common knowledge that the more a captive thrashes about it a web, the more its body surface attaches to the webbing, and therefore the more "captive" the captive becomes. Thrashing about also tires a captive faster, which makes it easier for the spider when it's time to dine).
well that kinda depends on where and how she grows them. growing them from her own body would result in disaster yes.
growing arms on the spiderrats body can be benefitial by either harming them or even trap them putting thus themselves out of buissnes.
Robin's an extremely perceptive woman : she's shown us time and time again throughout this manga, both in her past and in her present. It would be foolish to assume that she hasn't got a strategy just because that strategy isn't immediately evident to the majority of the readers.
I agree that she is perceptive but she has imo passed opertunities up few times too many in the manga. She has imo an incredibly powerfull DF which she doesnt use to the full potential (it is kinda too powerfull and needs something to limit her power, seems oda choose her personallity to do that.)
I could let this pass since she was scarred and has moved from group to group in the manga and might have alterier motives but after the EL arc that is imo a closed door.
I know im probably overreacting but i was really hopeing she wouldn't behave so odd (inconsistant) since she finally settled in among the strawhats
Can i ask what seems like a very moronic question; why must the humming have something to do with his sword? we saw Brooke actually singing and humming this chapter. why isn't the humming in reference to that?
Brook's a musician and most people are hopeing he will have soundbased attacks to seperate him from Zoro and other swordsmen.
Brook's a musician and most people are hopeing he will have soundbased attacks to seperate him from Zoro and other swordsmen.
Ah so it's sheer unadulterated hope that has this conversation spanning so many pages as opposed to any sort of fact. thanks for clearing that up, i almost though i missed something there.
I think we should create a "Draw #900" contest. People draw supposed pictures of the strongest zombie, #900 (which will have Luffy's shadow) and whoever gets closest… wins a cookie.
Ah so it's sheer unadulterated hope that has this conversation spanning so many pages as opposed to any sort of fact. thanks for clearing that up, i almost though i missed something there.
But its not really blind hope, just read FFA's post on how everything fits togeather with music and song. That on top of the fact that the attack lands when he puts his sword back in his cane.
But all just threory right now (yet a very good one that fits)
Yes this is exactly why i am pissed at her. she is so inconsistant in her responses, her strategic ability fluxuates with so big differences.It is my opinion that she is a brilliant strategist just that some odd times the elevator doest go all the way to the top.
Now I'm even more confused. Are you trying to say that you dislike her because she doesn't kick ass 24/7 whenever there's an opportunity to do so?
Not even Luffy does that. That was perhaps THE most important lesson of the Jaya arc. And it was a lesson that Luffy learned from Shanks too, when Shanks allowed the Mountain Bandits to humiliate him in Makino's bar, as a way to distract the Mountain Bandits from hurting Makino and her patrons. In that situation, Shanks used strategy instead of force to save his friends : and by appearing weak, he saved them.
Yes letting the only 2 members she knows isn't yet captured and "lost" get caught is a brilliant plan =P
You mean she and Franky? But didn't she tell him "Sorry, I was caught off guard". I take that statement at face-value. That she really was caught off guard. From her shocked expression (when one of the mouse-spiders cozies up to her), I assume that she'd rather be anywhere else than that web at that moment. This doesn't sound like someone who deliberately went "soft" for a moment so that she could let herself be captured only to avoid having to fight.
since she presumibly can do something against the spider rats there are less enemies to fight for franky.
What can she do?
There are so many of them. Their eyes are so small – it would be difficult to poke them as she did with the larger spider. What if the bodies are sticky also? Do we know what part of the body they shoot their webbing from? If we don't it's not wise to touch them. How can she distract a dozen of them? By creating some hands on a wall and yelling, "Hey! Look over there! Hands! Go get them instead of me!!"
I'd be interested in hearing your strategies about how she can distract or disable them. I can't think of any effective ones myself at the moment.
She has imo an incredibly powerfull DF which she doesnt use to the full potential (it is kinda too powerfull and needs something to limit her power, seems oda choose her personallity to do that.)
I could let this pass since she was scarred and has moved from group to group in the manga and might have alterier motives but after the EL arc that is imo a closed door.
It's not wise to show your true strength to an enemy early in the fight. And, as you mentioned, in her past, she's had to conceal her strength many times. It's probably a habit now. Enies Lobby was a short while ago – give her some time. How many life-long habits have you or I been able to unlearn in two weeks time?
I know im probably overreacting but i was really hopeing she wouldn't behave so odd (inconsistant) since she finally settled in among the strawhats
I think "odd" is the more appropriate word choice here – "inconsistant" implies that she was acting much differently than she is now, but your arguments in this post seem to imply that it's something she's been doing all along. That implies consistancy. So it's more like "consistantly odd" than like "oddly inconsistant". Does that make sense?
Peace.
Oh wow, people sure are grasping to ridiculous statements to make their point today. I never said that Zoro has fought every single swordsman they've come across, my point was that he's come across a lot of different people who use swords in different ways but are still considered Swordsmen. This was in response to people claiming that "Brook cuts vertically! That makes him not a Swordsman because Zoro cuts horizontally! Durr!".
Also, when was Brook described as "swashbuckling"? People are trying to make room for the possibility that Brook's fighting style won't rely on swords, when all the evidence we have now is that it will. Not only does Brook carry a blade with him and has used it in fights, his zombie counterpart, Ryuuma, has done the same thing. In fact, Ryuuma has been referred to as a Swordsman and doesn't seem to use any other means to fight. It's pretty clear by now that zombies inherit the personalities and moves of the person whose shadows they're given (if not, refer to Jigorou's scenes). If Ryuuma is a swordsman, Brook must be one too.
Also, has anyone checked for signs of humming in Ryuuma's scene? I haven#t been able to do so.
Maybe but Brooke needs to have something other than sword slashing to set himself apart from Zoro. And really, with all of this "Brooke is a swordsman" talk, I'm starting to wonder if making Brooke a musician instead of a butler or a scout was the best idea. I would think his violin would hold a sword not his cane. That's at least a bit more musical after all. (Though he did have his humming)
Ah so it's sheer unadulterated hope that has this conversation spanning so many pages as opposed to any sort of fact. thanks for clearing that up, i almost though i missed something there.
I know im probably overreacting but i was really hopeing she wouldn't behave so odd (inconsistant) since she finally settled in among the strawhats
what's with the robin hate? she's lasted longer in thriller bark than the strawhat heavyweights sanji, luffy and zoro. and she got caught by the spiders in manner very similar to how they did–by surprise. furthermore, doesn't she have to cross her hands to sprout hands? she can't just get out of every situation and make it happen by sheer willpower.
this happens often with anime/manga, i've noticed. people get pissed if a character isn't a badass ALL the time. like shinji from NGE. how would that be interesting, if there is no room for growth, for error, for human complication? usopp and robin are a couple of the best characters in one piece, imo, because of the complexity of their characters and how they've grown throughtout the story. sometimes i wish we could see more of that in characters like zoro and sanji.
so she got caught. you hate luffy for getting caught too?