i think it's after he died because in his mini flashback when someone died due to sunlight he was already a skeleton .
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Does anyone think Brook would've been able to die if he died in the middle of the ocean sinking??
thinks so, even though now he'd probably break into pieces and sink like that….
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No, cuz it was foggy so he could not find his body dude.
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@Fire Fist:
Actually, the gist I got from what Brooke said was that he DID come back right away, but he was like Zoro in terms of direction sense and got lost in the fog while looking for his body, and by the time he found it a year later the skin and muscle tissue had rotted away.
You´re he got lost, but in order to do so he must be in some sort of distance to the body. I mean if the body is right there next to his soul then not even Zoro could get lost. The thing doesn´t have to take that much time like a year. But imagine him fighting against a time limit (like at Enies Lobby where the Strawhats had to get everything done before Robin goes through the Gate of Justice) then even if Brook´s soul is gone for five minutes it might be too late.
This could actually make for a nice drawback for this ability (if he still has it). If his body is a corpse for a short amount of time, then the enemy can do pratically everything to the body respectively in this time Brook´s body is of no help.
Anyways, I´m making too much stuff up already. My original point/question was actually just that we might not know the full extent of the ability after all. What we know so far is just based on Brook´s speculation but not by a die hard definition of the abilitie´s limits. I just think that it isn´t impossible for the ability to work more then just one time.
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Factoids(?) given by Brooke (starting from page 6):
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The devil fruit is called "Yomi Yomi no Mi".
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Brooke died once several decades ago.
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The Yomi Yomi no Mi is a "Yomigaeru" (Resurrection) Fruit. It guarantees a "second life". (This is said by Brooke, not as speculation, but as if it were a true statement.)
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While he was alive (before his death) the fruit only made Brooke a hammer (non-swimmer). That's it.
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When Brooke died, the fruit's ability was invoked. Brooke's soul came from the Netherworld (land of the dead) back to the land of the living.
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If he had gone back into his dead body immediately, he "should" have resurrected "normally". But the fog was too thick in this area of the ocean so his soul got lost.
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His soul was lost for a year and during that year his body had reduced to just being a skeleton. (He "saw" his body, even though he physically did not have any eyes.)
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Since the fruit guarantees a second life, Brooke's skeleton body was brought back to life "as is".
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Sanji says, "So now that the fruit did its job, you're back to being just a hammer."
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On page 10, Brooke states that his shadow was stolen a few years ago by a certain man.
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On page 14, Brooke says that he is not sure if he will be able to meet the man (who stole his shadow) before the end of his (Brooke's) second life.
Going by the above, it can be deduced that the Yomi Yomi no Mi's only "known" ability is that it guarantees a second life if the eater were to die (once!). While the eater is alive, the fruit does nothing else other than curse the eater with the inability to swim. Even after the eater has died once, the hammer part of the fruit still is in effect until the eater's second, final death, at which point the fruit does nothing since it has already done its job once already.
Also, Brooke's shadow was stolen at least a few decades AFTER he was resurrected as a skeleton.
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Still don't understand how he can be a hammer if he doesn't have the DF ability anymore !? Unless he still has the DF…
About his second death, he may be thinking about burning in the sunlight, because he also said somewhere that he was now immortal... -
isnt there a reference to brook "haveing to pay the price for beeing immortal" as well or is that a translator error?
It still feels too much like speculations rather then stated facts since the characters cant be sure any of it is true. also we dont know if brook ages now that he is a skeleton. His second may only be caused by something that totaly annihalates his body thus not giveing him anything to return to, and thats why he can only return once.
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- The Yomi Yomi no Mi is a "Yomigaeru" (Resurrection) Fruit. It guarantees a "second life". (This is said by Brooke, not as speculation, but as if it were a true statement.)
I know that he says that but still I´m not sold on hit knowing that it is completely true. The second life thing strikes me as his interpretation because the key word resurrection. If you die once and get back, there´s your second life. If you die a second time and get resurrected then you have a third life. The term second life is much more limited then the term resurrection and if yomigaeru stands for resurrection then it can´t be ruled out that it is still there even though Brook takes it for a one time thing.
It´s a valid interpretation of Brook that it is a one time thing but there´s is no proof that it can´t happen again. It is actually a tough gamble to prove wether or not it´s a one time thing. I mean if he kills himself to see if he can use it again and it doesn´t work like that, then there goes his second life. Pretty understandable why there wouldn´t be any interest in finding out.
While the eater is alive, the fruit does nothing else other than curse the eater with the inability to swim. Even after the eater has died once, the hammer part of the fruit still is in effect until the eater's second, final death, at which point the fruit does nothing since it has already done its job once already.
That´s exactly the part on which I´m not sold. If the DF drawback is active then the DF ability itself must also be there. And if the ability is "resurrection" then it should work multiple times. If the ability is "living twice" then the effect is already used. And since you say yomigaeru is what it means I wouldn´t rule it out that he still can resurrect if there should be any need.
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If only Ace were on this island he could take care of those general zombies so easily. :(
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Brooke is now a normal human. The DF is keeping him alive, giving him imaginary bodyparts he doesn't have. If there is a way to kill him, he'll just die.
But, thing is he is living in a body that should be dead from various reasons, including the fact he has no blood or brain. He can't be killed by normal means. Then again, there's shadow stealing and many other things. If he's reduced to dust, he'll probably stay alive unable to move, or he'll be having DUST BULLETS. -
That´s exactly the part on which I´m not sold. If the DF drawback is active then the DF ability itself must also be there. And if the ability is "resurrection" then it should work multiple times. If the ability is "living twice" then the effect is already used. And since you say yomigaeru is what it means I wouldn´t rule it out that he still can resurrect if there should be any need.
Not necessarily, think of it as a fruit that doesn't take effect right away. What it does is turn a "dead human" into a "living corpse" just like the Gomu-Gomu no Mi turns a "living human" into a "man of rubber". The fruit's power is what's keeping Brook alive at the moment, therefore the ability is still at work. It justifies how Brook can stay alive without organs. However, if this is true, I'm kind of scared what will happen the moment Brook comes into contact with Seastone. :x
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That´s a good point you bring Rai and Monkey Spirit. Makes sense that the ability is making up for Brook´s lack of life necessary organs. But wouldn´t that still mean that the DF is still active? Again, the effect wouldn´t ware off after just resurrecting Brook.
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Isn't there a Brook thread already? But to summarize the issue:
The ability of Brook's DF is "bringing the person back to life once more". No matter in which state the dead body is at the moment the soul returns. Since he has no muscles to move, no organs to digest, no brain to think, no eyes to see, no lips and tongue to speak - in other words just bones - we have to assume that the effect of the DF gives him "imaginary organs" so he can do all these things like a normal person. Because right now, Brook is a normal person, except that he's a skeleton. We can easily deduce this from seeing that he is a walking skeleton.
This also means that Brook will probably die if you, for example, decapitate him. In any case, he won't be able to separate a rib or an arm to use it as a tool or weapon, because he'd lose that limb forever. Anything that'd apply to a normal person applies to Brook too. If you'd touch him with a Seastone or push him into a tub of water he wouldn't fall apart though. When Luffy was trapped underwater in Arlong Park, Gen and Nojiko were still able to stretch his neck to inhuman lengths. When Luffy's body is still rubber even when he's underwater, Brook will still remain a living skeleton too. Seastones and masses of water will only leave the user of a DF stunned, feeble and unable to activate or use their power (that is, if it's a power that has to be activated, like Foxy's for example).If the theory of DFs regrowing after the user died is true, Brook's fruit will not regrow until he finished his second life. The power is still active so the user can't be counted as "dead" (even though he died once). We can conclude that it's still active because there's no other reason a skeleton could be still alive. But the "immortality" part was actually a mistranslation. In fact the referenced pages are generally not so well translated as it seems.
As for why Brook knows that he only has only one second life…
I'd say, you're giving too much thought to it. If you asked Oda about this, he'd probably say that Brook researched this in the devil fruit encyclopedia during his first life. I mean, just imagine you ate a devil's fruit that apparently has no effect. Even if you ate it without knowing, you'll KNOW FOR SURE that you've eaten a DF when you find out that you can't swim anymore. So in all those years you live, you'll certainly try to find out what kind of power it is. And there IS an encyclopedia that has all the DFs that exist, Oda said so in the FPS (but he didn't want to tell much more, so there will be much more revealed later in the story).
Or, didn't Lucci state in Enies Lobby that you'd know what's you're power the moment you consume the fruit? Either the encyclopedia or the sudden knowledge. If the issue is bothering you, you may choose one of these options.I think that's all.
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@Fire Fist:
And for the record, we saw Chopper when he was a normal reindeer
Yeah. A 3mm silhouette in a panel in chapter 140 that shows a scene Kureha only mentions…
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look at how they are now. Isn't it cool? Yeah, they're really cool. Oh, their past? Uhm, here's them, looking exactly as they do now, and being cool. Or learning to be cool. Hey, it's pretty awesome.
I don't see eye to eye with you, and I dont' see what his former appearance has to do with anything.
He's got to have some kind of story that lead to him getting the Yomi Yomi no mi. It's a unique DF that I think has some special history to it. That's why I want to see a Brooke flashback.
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Wow, quality analysis Rockschmock.
I agree whole heartedly with your entire post. I'd add more, but you pretty much said it all.
Kudos.
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Or, didn't Lucci state in Enies Lobby that you'd know what's you're power the moment you consume the fruit?
Luffy without his DF ability seems like nothing :-
Imagine: no Gomu Gomu no…, no Gear2, no Gear3... What would be up to him ? Would he still be able to do Soru ? At least he wouldn't be able to take punches and kicks anymore... -
As for why Brook knows that he only has only one second life…
I'd say, you're giving too much thought to it. If you asked Oda about this, he'd probably say that Brook researched this in the devil fruit encyclopedia during his first life. I mean, just imagine you ate a devil's fruit that apparently has no effect.I seriously don´t understand why I´m giving too much thought to it. We know the fruit is "resurrection" and that it is still active because he can´t swim. That´s actually a pretty simple thought and not an overanalysis of things.
All I´m trying to say is, if Brook dies and gets resurrected a second time then we shouldn´t be too suprised because the way it appears so far it´s not like Brook´s understanding of the fruit is flawless.
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I like the idea of unlimited resurrection. It gives Brooke a certain uniqueness. Let's say the Yomi Yomi doesn't give any other abilities than being resurrected once and that he is just a hammer now. What does that give us? A mugiwara without any wacky abilities that can't swim. Sure he can probably fight well but it would still be like a Sanji or Zoro without being able to swim. That is just a disadvantage. Sanji and Zoro are great fighters, they don't have any fruit powers but they also don't suffer from the penalty the fruit brings. The only thing Brooke can do that we have seen is use his light body to move on water and jump really high. It's unique but not unique enough for a mugiwara.
If you throw in the ability of unlimited resurrection it wouldn't matter if Brooke wasn't an excellent fighter, he could win by endurance. Frankly I would love to see Brooke getting smashed by Moria or someone only to laugh it off with his "Yohoho" lying there in a pile of his own bones. He is such a carefree character that he wouldn't be bothered by such abuse. It could add so much physical humor to the crew.
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Not to mention that it actually would pretty fitting if the walking skeleton on board couldn´t die.
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Since he has no muscles to move, no organs to digest, no brain to think, no eyes to see, no lips and tongue to speak - in other words just bones - we have to assume that the effect of the DF gives him "imaginary organs" so he can do all these things like a normal person.
Damn, why didn't I think of that? It seems so obvious now.
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Since Brook can eat and defecate while lacking the necessary organs to do so, it's implied that he still functions like a human, despite his appearance. If you smash him to pieces, he'd probably die.
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@Book:
I like the idea of unlimited resurrection. It gives Brooke a certain uniqueness. Let's say the Yomi Yomi doesn't give any other abilities than being resurrected once and that he is just a hammer now. What does that give us? A mugiwara without any wacky abilities that can't swim. Sure he can probably fight well but it would still be like a Sanji or Zoro without being able to swim. That is just a disadvantage. Sanji and Zoro are great fighters, they don't have any fruit powers but they also don't suffer from the penalty the fruit brings. The only thing Brooke can do that we have seen is use his light body to move on water and jump really high. It's unique but not unique enough for a mugiwara.
I disagree, Brooke being a skeleton probably gives him dozens of advantages that we haven't thought of yet. For example, it's really easy for him to dodge bullets, moving half an inch will already assure that the bullet will go between his ribs without dealing any damage.
@Book:
If you throw in the ability of unlimited resurrection it wouldn't matter if Brooke wasn't an excellent fighter, he could win by endurance. Frankly I would love to see Brooke getting smashed by Moria or someone only to laugh it off with his "Yohoho" lying there in a pile of his own bones. He is such a carefree character that he wouldn't be bothered by such abuse. It could add so much physical humor to the crew.
Oh yay… Oda has obviously introduced a skeleton to have him dissemble and laugh about it just like every other skeleton in every cartoon ever made. I will be less than overjoyed if Oda pulls that one.
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Well we know only that Brook has a second life, so I guess if he fell apart now he'd die anyway. We don't know how Brook works 100% yet. We know he is light (apparently endurable too) a fan of skull jokes… And ate a rather useless DF in comparison to some others.
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The dissembling part would obviously only be a small aspect of the character. It's not like Zoro is the first bad-ass swordsman ever or that no other manga has a silly yet strong and determined main character. Yet the mugiwaras are deeper than most shonen manga characters. Brooke is a skeleton and therefore has a potencial to dissemble his bodyparts. However Oda can make it so that Brooke works just like a regular human and cannot dissemble/reassemble, but it would be a waste of potencial if you ask me. If you have a real living skeleton as a main character in a world where magic and such does not exist why not make the most of it? This is Oda we're talking about. He can take any cliché and make it new and refreshing.
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You know, after seeing Robin's new wings I got to wonder what other applications Brooke's DF will have. Is it just a means to a skeleton or more?
Maybe it could:
-Allow Brooke to appear he was alive?
-Allow him to bring other dead to life (only once, like is the case for him)
-Can he split apart and reorganize his skeleton?
-And of course, the possession theory.
And that's outside of however hand to hand abilities he may have. I for one think he may fight with a cane.
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And ate a rather useless DF in comparison to some others.
Actually, it'd be quite useful for any person who fights of their own accord and wouldn't mind havin' a Get Out of Jail Card if he ever bites the bucket. Zoro and Sanji could benefit from havin' it, for example.
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Well we know only that Brook has a second life, so I guess if he fell apart now he'd die anyway. We don't know how Brook works 100% yet. We know he is light (apparently endurable too) a fan of skull jokes… And ate a rather useless DF in comparison to some others.
Well maybe the fruit itself is useless but look he has no more flesh left which takes away a lot of extra weight and now gives him the ability of super speed somewhat and god knows how many new skeleton abilities he might have
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Brooke being immortal would make a lot of sense, except in that One Piece is a shounen manga - I think Oda wouldn't want a protagonist who couldn't be killed. Then again, Brooke is looking to be a total gag character, so maybe his fights will sacrifice drama for humor.
I think Rockschmock's theory makes the most sense now, though. I imagine he has some kind of invisible, spiritual body that can still take damage - as was pointed out earlier, he's mentioned that he will die eventually.
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He can die now, just chop off his head, he won't feel pain but his head is dislocated (a problem). The cool thing is, we get to know more about him in chapter 454 since he's back and also, if Luffy beats Moria, then he joins the crew.
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I thought Brook's Devil Fruit was already explained. He ate the Yomi Yomi no Mi and it enabled him to be resurrected at least once. It seems like he has no powers other than being an undead skeleton. No more, no less.
On the other hand, we still don't know a lot about Brook so anything is possible! Look at Absalom: we assumed that he can only turn invisible but apparenlty he has some sort of energy projection ability. Heck, we're not even sure he has a Devil Fruit! More than likely he does, IMO, as no means of obtaining superpowers other than Devil Fruits has been introduced yet.
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More than likely he does, IMO, as no means of obtaining superpowers have been introduced yet.
Well MIss Goldenweek had artist powers that weren't caused by a DF i'm pretty sure on this if it was it hasn't been mentioned
I"m really interested though in Absolom's fruit though. That's a real mystery, the only thing I'm wondering about Brooke other than how he fights is what he looks like when he eats food. Can you see it through his skeleton"?
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You're correct, ultimateclima. I forgot that Ms. Goldenweek's powers had no apparent Devil Fruit. Same thing with Jango's hypnotism, which he got from a mushroom. Thanks for pointing that out! There are other ways to obtain superpowers. They're just more uncommon than Devil Fruit powers.
I'm eager to learn more about Absalom's power too.
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Funny, I was actually thinking about this today. Here is my thought. Brooke is created as a humorous character and honestly he seems about as intelligent as Luffy. So it would not surprise me that he would not know of all the powers that his fruit has. He claims that he saw someone die in the sunlight. Wasn't that because of the shadow being stolen and not the fruit?
I personally think he doesn't exactly know how to use his fruit. I believe that he will be able to rez multiple times. Now here is a question, if he already used his power thus making him dead, wouldn't another Yomi Yomi fruit be made? (Based on the theory that they get recreated once the owner dies). I don't think Oda would make a character as unique as Brooke without alot of forethought and imagination. Heck him dying repeatedly might end up like a running gag. I'll be happy as long as he doesn't get an orange park to wear.
(By the way when he describes running from the Underworld to the body did anyone else thing he was doing a corpse run? You WoW players should get that)
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I think Absolom somehow got his hands on "bottled breath of Mr 5 the bomb man"
after BW fell apart Mr 5 got into the retail buissnes as a weapons merchant and is selling his explosive breath.
(yes i know that theory has more holes in it then…. well something with lots of holes)
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I think Oda wanted a skeleton in the crew, a living skeleton, so no matter how it is possible for Brook to be alive, he is, and that is all. There's an explanation (the Yomi-Yomi fruit), and this is enough for me.
No need of a scientist proof, that's just One Piece.
But I think he IS immortal, till his bones fall into dust. -
Hey, think about that: what would happen if a DF user was to eat the Yomi Yomi fruit ? :-D
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he could combine every DF power in the WORLD!!! insane evil laughter
guess that was what you were hinting at?
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Guys, I'm with who says Brooks still does not know his DF's true power.
First, Brook still has his DF's abilities since he is a living skeleton, he definitely needs a DF to keep he alive. What it seems is that Yomi Yomi no Mi makes you un-dead, or a sort of. I wanna see how he will get up from the fall in 453: I am positive thinking that he will have his body all messed up and he will need to recompose himself.
If by any chance he has this immortal ability then I would have a unique DF (not re-growing one). -
Hey, think about that: what would happen if a DF user was to eat the Yomi Yomi fruit ? :-D
His body would explode, making ressurrection impossible.
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he will kick-ass with cane
first stomach, then back and last neck = pwnd
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Umm, it depends what you call children? The strawhats for the most part are children in my eyes. 16-19.
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Hmm, maybe it's fanwank on my side (did I even use that word right?) but I get the feeling that Oda is kind of regretting that he made his characters so young officially. Not only has he been adding older and older characters lately, but his drawing style has changed so far that they don't look like teenagers anymore. Seriously, I'm 19 and noone my age looks like Sanji by far, he has to be in his early twenties, and the same applies for Zoro and Nami. Luffy, Usopp and Chopper seemd to have aged less, though, I'd still call them teens.
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Pre-teens, dlo62282.
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@ultimateclima:
Well MIss Goldenweek had artist powers that weren't caused by a DF i'm pretty sure on this if it was it hasn't been mentioned
I"m really interested though in Absolom's fruit though. That's a real mystery, the only thing I'm wondering about Brooke other than how he fights is what he looks like when he eats food. Can you see it through his skeleton"?
He just hurt Dogpen, it doesn't mean he has a devil fruit. In fact, we only saw him attack once so you have like no information backing you up. :wassat:
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[hide]Isn't there a Brook thread already? But to summarize the issue:
The ability of Brook's DF is "bringing the person back to life once more". No matter in which state the dead body is at the moment the soul returns. Since he has no muscles to move, no organs to digest, no brain to think, no eyes to see, no lips and tongue to speak - in other words just bones - we have to assume that the effect of the DF gives him "imaginary organs" so he can do all these things like a normal person. Because right now, Brook is a normal person, except that he's a skeleton. We can easily deduce this from seeing that he is a walking skeleton.
This also means that Brook will probably die if you, for example, decapitate him. In any case, he won't be able to separate a rib or an arm to use it as a tool or weapon, because he'd lose that limb forever. Anything that'd apply to a normal person applies to Brook too. If you'd touch him with a Seastone or push him into a tub of water he wouldn't fall apart though. When Luffy was trapped underwater in Arlong Park, Gen and Nojiko were still able to stretch his neck to inhuman lengths. When Luffy's body is still rubber even when he's underwater, Brook will still remain a living skeleton too. Seastones and masses of water will only leave the user of a DF stunned, feeble and unable to activate or use their power (that is, if it's a power that has to be activated, like Foxy's for example).If the theory of DFs regrowing after the user died is true, Brook's fruit will not regrow until he finished his second life. The power is still active so the user can't be counted as "dead" (even though he died once). We can conclude that it's still active because there's no other reason a skeleton could be still alive. But the "immortality" part was actually a mistranslation. In fact the referenced pages are generally not so well translated as it seems.
As for why Brook knows that he only has only one second life…
I'd say, you're giving too much thought to it. If you asked Oda about this, he'd probably say that Brook researched this in the devil fruit encyclopedia during his first life. I mean, just imagine you ate a devil's fruit that apparently has no effect. Even if you ate it without knowing, you'll KNOW FOR SURE that you've eaten a DF when you find out that you can't swim anymore. So in all those years you live, you'll certainly try to find out what kind of power it is. And there IS an encyclopedia that has all the DFs that exist, Oda said so in the FPS (but he didn't want to tell much more, so there will be much more revealed later in the story).
Or, didn't Lucci state in Enies Lobby that you'd know what's you're power the moment you consume the fruit? Either the encyclopedia or the sudden knowledge. If the issue is bothering you, you may choose one of these options.I think that's all.[/hide]
Aye, exactly.
When you said I posted what you wanted to say for you I didn't imagine it would be this close. O_O
I posted that same post in the other thread again, but I guess no one cares for that with such reactions. :\@Mr.:
I think Rockschmock's theory makes the most sense now, though. I imagine he has some kind of invisible, spiritual body that can still take damage - as was pointed out earlier, he's mentioned that he will die eventually.April 22nd, 2007 06:34 PM
Half true, Mr. Half. If you wanna go by the idea he has spiritual organs, you need to go by the idea they can't take any damage. He didn't die by starving his imaginary belly, or whatever.
Bottom line is: Brooke can't die by ANY normal means, such as lack of blood/losing body parts.However, like Rock said, he can't have a limb he dissembled from his body. It was connected through imaginary organs, which weren't damaged by the loss of the limb because they are imaginary. Once not connected it's a useless pack of arm bones shaped to an arm.
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I doubt they are related in any way. It would make the story really… wierd.
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who are related?
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who are related?
Aojiki the Navy Officer and Brook the Skeleton. I dont know where the creator of this thread got it lol…
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wasnt that because he thought they looked similar? (tall and with an affro)
btw it would help if you quoted posts you are answering thats not on the same page. =P