You know it'd be great if there was such a thing as a Playstation 3 discussion that didn't break out into a Wii vs PS3 discussion.
Sony's done a bunch right.
Sony should have exploited the technical superiority in their television spots.
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The PlayStation Thread
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@raj:
You know it'd be great if there was such a thing as a Playstation 3 discussion that didn't break out into a Wii vs PS3 discussion.
But this topic is about Sony's Fuck up's and Do good's
i've been seeing less of the latterSony should have exploited the technical superiority in their television spot
Making babies cry is really really bad..
yes i get the message in the ad's
but aren't ads suppose to hit hard and fast
not leave you thinking for ten mins and go
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@raj:
You know it'd be great if there was such a thing as a Playstation 3 discussion that didn't break out into a Wii vs PS3 discussion.
Sony's done a bunch right.
Sony should have exploited the technical superiority in their television spots.
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Technical superiority does not mean it's gonna be a worthwhile product.
Otherwhise, why aren't you posting this on an Amiga or a NeXT cube or a BeBox?
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But this topic is about Sony's Fuck up's and Do good's
i've been seeing less of the latterI've seen few fuck ups. What I have seen are people taking cheap shots and/or making a big deal out of some facts that are historically natural for video game systems.
As if system shortages were a big deal.
I'm not getting this. Sony has a target of PS3's they want shipped by early next year. Thus far, they seem on target. The RATE at which they are capable of doing so is in question. But so long as they can meet the goal of units shipped, I don't understand teh hate for unit shortages. If there is a demand for the product and they sell them when they're released, then there isn't a big deal.
If having a unit shortage is truly an abominable crime, then the Nintendo DS Lite is Hitler.
I challenge you to attempt to buy a DS Lite in Japan. IT'S HARD AS HELL!!!
And yet…everyone's sprinkling Nintendo with flowers while casting Sony into the depths of Hell for the same issue.
I don't get it -_-
The problem will be this:
On launch day (oh yeah, that's today!!!) if units are sitting on shelves, and no one wants them. That would be a sure sign of weakness.
I see no indication of such.
And as far as bitching about the controller or its potential.
Guys.....seriously? You're complaining about something you haven't tried and even designers haven't fully exploited? Come on, that's a low blow.
Technical superiority does not mean it's gonna be a worthwhile product.
Agreed. Their rubick's cube commercial was lame. The egg commercial is the first one that as a young consumer, watching would interest me in the product.
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Technical superiority does not mean it's gonna be a worthwhile product.
Nor should it. It's just something that should be exploited, since it's one of Sony's edges. Not showing a baby crying. You know, actually showing in game gameplay, BluRay, etc etc etc. And obvisously show the software.
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@--MRED--:
:wassat:
I guess it really is subjective then
meh_sips tea_
http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7209
For a company of supposed mishaps, that's a pretty strong following.
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I'm not getting this. Sony has a target of PS3's they want shipped by early next year. Thus far, they seem on target. The RATE at which they are capable of doing so is in question. But so long as they can meet the goal of units shipped, I don't understand teh hate for unit shortages. If there is a demand for the product and they sell them when they're released, then there isn't a big deal.
Well, there are two issues:
1. They've been planning this launch for a fair amount of time. It's a huge product for them with a lot of money riding on it. You'd expect them to have done a LOT of research and ensure they're coming pretty close to saturating early market demand at or very close to launch date. It's unclear if they have. Given the marketplaces in Japan and the US, and their sizes, I find it hard to believe that they only expect to sell one-fifth as many PS3s in Japan as in the US.
2. If they drain all their stocks within the first few days of launch, and their production rate is low, refilling the supply chain is going to be slow and result in angry customers.
I challenge you to attempt to buy a DS Lite in Japan. IT'S HARD AS HELL!!!
And yet…everyone's sprinkling Nintendo with flowers while casting Sony into the depths of Hell for the same issue.
Some differences:
1. The PS3's reliance on some limited-supply parts (like in the Blu-ray drive) is going to make it difficult to try and ramp up production. There's not much complicated, expensive, or rare in a DS by comparison, so they could probably produce more easily.
2. As mentioned above, the supply shortages seem to be, while perhaps PARTIALLY limited by manufacturing capacity, a marketing thing.
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1. The PS3's reliance on some limited-supply parts (like in the Blu-ray drive) is going to make it difficult to try and ramp up production. There's not much complicated, expensive, or rare in a DS by comparison, so they could probably produce more easily.
…But the DS Lite's been out for a while. If it's still hard to buy, wouldn't that make it worse for Nintendo's case, seeing as how they're not limited by production?
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Avatar provided by Ferntree on DeviantArt.
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They could've atleast put region free for Ps2 but oh well, It's region free for PS3 games so I don't care too much. Anyways looks like Swap Magic is still in business.
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To go along with that miss, here's particularly awesome hit.
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@Le:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745275p1.html
Bugger.
:sad: Aw man, I was going to buy japanese ps2 games once i get PS3 but that will not happen, Well aleast i could get Japanese PS3 games
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And that is why there are modchips :)
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2. If they drain all their stocks within the first few days of launch, and their production rate is low, refilling the supply chain is going to be slow and result in angry customers.
This my friends, is the very heart and core of the issue. Sony, despite missing shipment expectations (which may/may not happen) will be mostly unphased. They can handle any hit like that because…well....they're Sony.
But will it make the customers angry and therefore ruin their product?
Okay, honest answers folks. Ready?
How many of you are planning on buying a PS3 on launch?
looks around
Okay, s'what I thought. Not only is Resistance not strong enough to make me want a launch PS3, but the few technical issues which are bound to pop up also TERRIFY ME.
That said, what do the majority of us care whether they have enough launch units or not?
Furthermore, if you're rabid and in-freaking-sane enough to want a launch PS3, chances are you're a massive Sony fanboy and you totally know what to expect with respect to total dissappointment.
Therefore, not meeting launch shipment expectations may affect their stock a bit but won't do much damage and furthermore, I doubt it holds the potential to piss the overwhelming majority of gamers off because....well....we're expecting it.
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Well done sony, you fucked up again.
http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=7210
from what I can gather, the March release date is still not 100% definite.
I must admit, if I had pre-ordered the PS3, I would have asked for my money back, this is just getting silly now.
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if I had pre-ordered the PS3
AHA!
IF!
This clearly indicates that you're a sane person. And therefore, what's the point of complaining about it.
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That said, what do the majority of us care whether they have enough launch units or not?
Well, if you're planning to get one 6 months/1 year/2 years out, you may be basing that plan on the assumption that it will have done well and established a firm market position first.
Just imagine the guy who said "I'll wait a year, save up, and buy a CD-I / 3DO / Saturn / Insert Other Obscure Console Mess here"
A disasterous launch could torpedo those plans.
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Christmas may make things even worse for the PS3 stock. Sony with a firm market position? Thats a laugh. Every department store will have shorter availability of that system than the Wii. I will feel sorry for a parent buying their kids that thing for xmas. Spending $600+ could do better for a college fund. Oh the stupidity.
I couldn't care less on the system graphics, all the great games from the past had a low bit rate. Games nowadays have reached the graphical peak and now have to rely on innovative game play. If you bow to nothing but the graphics, HDTV, DVD/blu-ray enhanced stuff, by succuming to being a media whore, you ignore the gameplay itself. Which is sad.
I ranted. I'm happy. :)
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Just imagine the guy who said "I'll wait a year, save up, and buy a CD-I / 3DO / Saturn / Insert Other Obscure Console Mess here"
Hey, hey, hey.
This is the problem here folks. Now take a serious look at the systems you listed there. Who put them out and what established base did they have?
And how can you put Saturn on there? Saturn had a perfectly normal and fantastic life-cycle. Saturn was the first system to offer arcade experience at home and with HUGE gems on its list like Panzer Dragoon (2) (Saga), Fighting Vipers, Virtua Fighter Series, Castlevania, Resident Evil, Guardian Heroes, DBZ Legends, Clockwork Knight (2) and a SLEW of other arcade and PC titles which had their first chance on systems.
Saturn was a GREAT system.
In fact, if you want to REALLY look at the biggest complaint back then? I remember it quite well. Very well in fact.
It was well-recognized that the PS was harder to develop for, but the Saturn's big set-back was….....it was a less powerful machine.
SHOCK
Hopefully you see the irony of this scenario.
Anyway, back to the point of this. Now look at the rest of those. All first-timers or half-assed attempts.
Sony is neither of those.
3DO and the rest never had even one thing that could be considered a 'killer app' . Great graphics for their time? Yeah! But not one title anyone could remember playing for 'the fun of it'.
If you don't like series like Resident Evil, Kingdom Hearts, Clockwork Tower, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, Ico (SotC), Fatal Frame, etc. that were either established and/or expanded upon through PS2 then you have no reason to be excited.
But if you enjoyed at least one of them...a lot....then the PS3 already has a killer app for you. In fact, from what I hear, Resistance is a killer app at launch. It's not my style pesonally but what the hell.
The point is, it's not like Sony isn't supporting the system and developers aren't already hard at work making awesome games for it.
The cloud of negativity and constant 'what if's' that continually circle back to worst-case scenarios is really quite boring. Not to mention highly unlikely.
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Hey, hey, hey.
This is the problem here folks. Now take a serious look at the systems you listed there. Who put them out and what established base did they have?
CD-I was a Philips product; I'd say they had a fair amount of weight as a company to prop it up.
And how can you put Saturn on there? Saturn had a perfectly normal and fantastic life-cycle.
I'm not debating the quality of it, but in terms of system sales, it doesn't seem to have been a huge winner.
I enjoy looking at the electronics sections of secondhand shops for interesting novelties, cheap NES cartridges, and such. I've seen NES units, SNES units, a million Genesises, and the occasional N64, PS1, and Dreamcast, but I've never seen a Saturn. Either they sold poorly, or they don't fail and get dumped in the donation box.
I perhaps misread the Saturn's history (it was a generation I skipped), but I get the impression it didn't develop a huge market base which would help support a library of games.
The point is, it's not like Sony isn't supporting the system and developers aren't already hard at work making awesome games for it.
Sony is Sony. It can afford to throw good money after bad. But third-party developers will need a fair installed base to ensure they get their investment back on development.
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Just thought I would throw this comic into the discussion…
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CD-I was a Philips product; I'd say they had a fair amount of weight as a company to prop it up.
What developers did it woo to create exclusive titles?
I'm not debating the quality of it, but in terms of system sales, it doesn't seem to have been a huge winner.
Tsk, tsk. 'Winning' has nothing to do with which system has legendary/forgettable games. I don't even know what system 'won' this round, nor do I give a rat's ass. They all had at least one game that I can remember as flipping awesome. So long as you get that one game that floors you, it doesn't matter if it 'wins' or 'loses'. Since when did systems 'winning' even mean that much?
But third-party developers will need a fair installed base to ensure they get their investment back on development.
Well, not to sound cruel man but….that's up to the developers. I mean, you buy a system for the games, not to have a giant shiny hunk of metal and plastic to admire. If developers can't come up with intriguing games to attract customers, then that's their own fault and not that of Sony's.
Sony's fault will be in how systems hold up, how they operate, how well they operate and if they can draw attention to the product as well as promote first-party titles. Other than that, it's up to them to come up with bitchin' ideas to sell.
Harsh but reality nonetheless.
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All I know is, even tho it has nothing to do with the PS3, how cause of a lawsuit Sony is gonna have to remove the vibrate function from any future PS2 controllers as well as any games, be it past, present, or future, rumble feature before being able to sell them again.
Its suppose to happen in early 2007 so I'm just hopping I get all the games I really want before they are stripped of the rumble feature.
(Tho theres no way in hell I will.)
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Actually dude, a third party developer is working on designing a rumble feature. The question is whether developers will choose to support a feature like that from a non-Sony product.
Lovely tribute ava by the way!
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Also wasn't Saturn great for 2d but less competent for 3d than Playstation? I remember great 2d games for Saturn, the likes of Guardian Heroes, Dragon Force, Capcom's Vampire fighting games, with Saturn ports of Playstation games looking piss poor (Toshinden, Resident Evil) and nothing comparable to MGS, Silent Hill, or Nintendo 64 masterpieces. At the time the first 3d games were a big selling argument, and Saturn bombed because of it.
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Aldrich is correct, I still have my Sega Saturn and the 3-d games I have do not compare to the PSone(although Nights is cool), but the 2-d games far outclass PSone. Besides 2-d, the choices in games were severly lacking and I don't care what anyone says, VF2 on Sega Saturn sucked when compared to any Tekken.
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M-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-MADDOX!
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit
That's right, today he updated with an all new rant about Sony's "Bullshit"
Like all his rants, strong language ahead.
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AHA!
IF!
This clearly indicates that you're a sane person. And therefore, what's the point of complaining about it.
Yea, just because I didn't pre-order it don't mean I don't want it. I was planning on getting it a few months after release, already fucked up cus they moved the release date back, fair enough, but the longer they push the release date back, the less likely I am gonna want to get it, and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
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Christmas may make things even worse for the PS3 stock. Sony with a firm market position? Thats a laugh. Every department store will have shorter availability of that system than the Wii. I will feel sorry for a parent buying their kids that thing for xmas. Spending $600+ could do better for a college fund. Oh the stupidity.
I couldn't care less on the system graphics, all the great games from the past had a low bit rate. Games nowadays have reached the graphical peak and now have to rely on innovative game play. If you bow to nothing but the graphics, HDTV, DVD/blu-ray enhanced stuff, by succuming to being a media whore, you ignore the gameplay itself. Which is sad.
I ranted. I'm happy. :)
Graphics at its peak? I dont think so. The ps2 had good graphics and great games. You are media whore because you want great graphics and great gameplay? That makes sense.
Hate how people judging gameplay of systems that even havent came out yet. The WII is not innovative as you think it is.
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What I want to know is, why do people say the PS3 lacks gameplay?
GAMES deliver gameplay.
Not systems.
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Also wasn't Saturn great for 2d but less competent for 3d than Playstation?
Precisely.
The system couldn't pump out crisp 3D graphics as it was slightly less powerful whereas the PS could pump more power but was 'harder to develop for'.
In so few words: "The graphics weren't as good."
So bringing up Saturn as a 'failure' really doesn't have a place/point considering Wii's standings. It was a rockin' system.
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Since it was brought up, just have to mention my love for the Saturn.
Oh, and although the 3D fighters looked worse than the PS versions (like Toshinden), it was mostly opposite for 2D fighting games. For example, the Saturn versions of Capcom fighters were usually much closer to the arcade versions than the PS versions (PS versions were usually missing more frames of animation than the Saturn versions). Although I don't know the precise technical reasons (since I don't really care how systems work), I have read several times in the past that it had to do with the Saturn having more built in system RAM than the PS. Anyway, that's the most common answer for the better 2D abilities of the Saturn when it came to frames of animation (never checked to see if it's true though).
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Graphics at its peak? I dont think so. The ps2 had good graphics and great games. You are media whore because you want great graphics and great gameplay? That makes sense.
Hate how people judging gameplay of systems that even havent came out yet. The WII is not innovative as you think it is.
Okay… maybe graphics and gameplay are good. But all the little extras that make the system cost so much can go to hell. By the way, how far do you think people would have to go to make a better system just to impress you?
By the way media whore meant you are just buying the system for stupid reasons, like just to be cool. Take a look at the Ps3... the controller? wireless, granted, but its a rehash of the ps2's controller, very innovative… the design of the system? resembles an old sega master system or a waffle iron. Sure Sony beefed up the graphics, its reverse compatible with Ps2 CDs, it has higher res. but all in all its nothing new. Okay maybe it will overload on power and burn down your house but who am I to say? the Wii, sure it doesn't have all the things the ps3 has, but I find the controller is new, the system itself is small, compatible will most TVs, will have a large line up of old and new games, its reverse compatible with the Cube, it will not eat your budget, the zapper add-on actually is kinda hot and will be good in first person shooters.
But then again all systems have their flaws. And its mostly up to the individual him/herself on what is a factor of their video game perspective. Hit or miss?
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Okay… maybe graphics and gameplay are good. But all the little extras that make the system cost so much can go to hell. By the way, how far do you think people would have to go to make a better system just to impress you?
If you support the Wii then shame on you for blowing all this on Sony.
By the way media whore meant you are just buying the system for stupid reasons, like just to be cool. Take a look at the Ps3… the controller? wireless, granted, but its a rehash of the ps2's controller, very innovative…
And we all complained when Sony rehashed the design from the PS1 didn't we…..
the design of the system? resembles an old sega master system or a waffle iron.
lol opinions
Sure Sony beefed up the graphics, its reverse compatible with Ps2 CDs, it has higher res. but all in all its nothing new. Okay maybe it will overload on power and burn down your house but who am I to say?
Obviously the Wii's nothing new to you then. Reverse compatibility, some beefing up of the graphics, and some progressive scan on the Wii's part.
the Wii, sure it doesn't have all the things the ps3 has, but I find the controller is new, the system itself is small, compatible will most TVs, will have a large line up of old and new games, its reverse compatible with the Cube, it will not eat your budget, the zapper add-on actually is kinda hot and will be good in first person shooters.
You hear that composite cables on the Wii on LCD's and that stuff looks FUGLY, right? The PS3 is reverse compatible with all its previous generations too, in fact, I don't see why you're making fun of the PS3. And I think the PS3 has
That doesn't mean I won't be getting a Wii, granted, but anything you say can be easily applied to the Wii, sooo…...
The only thing barring me from the PS3 is the price, and that my household only gets one video game console anyway, so I'll ease on my parents and just get the Wii, cause SSB:B is awesome (and it's easier to bring around to parties). But the PS3 is for those who want it, and I see why they would.
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Take a look at the Ps3… the controller? wireless, granted, but its a rehash of the ps2's controller, very innovative…
I know everybody's sick of this cliche by now… but if it aint broke, don't fix it.
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A guy at gamestop told me that the ps3 will download its games to the harddrive before playing them, to cut down load times, meaning that each time you change games, there will be a six to ten minute wait as it loads. This sounds silly, but after looking at the psp's load times, it's possible. Has anyone else heard this?
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O, yeah, that. Except I heard it cut down from something like 12 to 15 seconds to 3 to 4, or something like that. Something in the seconds range.
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But all the little extras that make the system cost so much can go to hell.
AHA!!!! SEE MRED!!!!! This is precisely what I was talking about!!!!
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=388359&postcount=19
BOO-YAH!
A guy at gamestop told me that the ps3 will download its games to the harddrive before playing them
As I understand it, to download the games or not is an option.
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What I want to know is, why do people say the PS3 lacks gameplay?
GAMES deliver gameplay.
Not systems.
Simple Answer: People on the Internet hate normal things, so they especially hate PS3 games which haven't even come out yet.
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(As a side note, always wear your wrist straps. One of our ad girls became so engrossed in tennis that the Wii remote slipped from her hand and crashed into a nearby wall at mach speeds; luckily, although the strap broke, the back case flew off and the batteries spilled out, it all worked again when we put it back together.)
From IGN's review of Wii Sports regarding a first-time player.
Here's the thing. This is the kind of stuff I could give two shits about. But if this was the PS3, people would be all the fuck over Sony like locusts with charges of cheap controller design, awful planning etc. etc.
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It seems like it is "cool" to hate on Sony because of the price or other absurd reasons.
People talk about 2 systems gameplay when they are not even out yet. What people fail to realize all that EXTRA stuff on the Ps3 give developers of games more ways to MAKE BETTER GAMES.
Who cares about the design of the system? Does that really matter that much? I rather have to stuff that is inside.
The controller is good and I guess they could of added more buttons but that could be a disaster. The Wii controller is interesting but it looks like it can get annoying and repetitive. It reminds me of the GLOVE. Also like the ps2, I am sure the ps3 is going to have other attachments like the gun and etc. I doubt if they have a sword one so pats nitendo on the back. I guess for all the sword games Nitendo wins.
yeah im here
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Precisely.
The system couldn't pump out crisp 3D graphics as it was slightly less powerful whereas the PS could pump more power but was 'harder to develop for'.
In so few words: "The graphics weren't as good."
So bringing up Saturn as a 'failure' really doesn't have a place/point considering Wii's standings. It was a rockin' system.
Well depends what you consider a failure. For a gamer it wasn't a failure as it had lots of great games worth playing, but again you can say that for most of the systems of the past decade with the exception of Atari Jaguar and 3DO. Still, it was a commercial failure and contributed to Sega's switch to third party, so yeah, you could say it was a failure.
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Ah, but what made it a commercial failure?
Was it the fact that Sony zapped up all the attention?
How about the fact that in that round 'exclusive' titles were limited and Saturn usually ound up with sloppy seconds of what PS has success with.
Or how about lack of mainstream titles? Yes, it had rockin' games, but I think we can all agree they were for niche audiences.
Many different things contributed to the Sega's downfall, and most that I can think of id not suffer that.
Unless people just stop wanting the huge list of series continuing on Sony, I can't see that happening.
Unless…people just instantly lose all interest in series like Metal Gear or Final Fantasy. Aaaaaand I don't think something like that will happen just yet.
The important thing is that it doesn't become a one-trick pony and starts plenty of new series, just like the PS2 did.
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It seems like it is "cool" to hate on Sony because of the price or other absurd reasons.
Well, after what? 10 years of it being cool to hate Nintendo because games that did not feature a headshot every ten seconds were only for babies it was time for a change.
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10 years of it being cool to hate Nintendo because games that did not feature a headshot every ten seconds were only for babies it was time for a change.
When in the hell was it ever cool to hate Nintendo?
I was a total Nintendo fanboy when I was in middle school.
When the PS came out I was mad pissed and mocked Sony for their pitiful efforts to even attempt to make a video game system.
And then I realized what a stupid dipshit I was for bashing a system I'd never even touched.
No one's opinion that has ever mattered ever bashed Nintendo for having a certain type of game. We NEED those kinds of games. Don't deny it, embrace it.
Goddamn, are people's ego that fragile that they don't like it when some jackass mocks their favorite video game system? Is that what all the bullshyt is about? Revenge of the Pokemon generation?
Please, Nintendo never stopped being cool. Anyone who says otherwise has their head stuck up their @ss and anyone who believes what they say is sharing the same hole.
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Actually dude, a third party developer is working on designing a rumble feature. The question is whether developers will choose to support a feature like that from a non-Sony product.
Lovely tribute ava by the way!
That doesn't really answer my question if future games I get are gonna be ripped of their rumble feature.
And thanks, miracle what being bored with photoshop opened can produce.
