@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
So there’s nine holy knights
Not confirmed. There were nine shadows, but Garling's was not there. The group name has no "9" in it.
@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
So there’s nine holy knights
Not confirmed. There were nine shadows, but Garling's was not there. The group name has no "9" in it.
@Deicide oh I thought people said there was something in the name too that implied there was nine
Well hopefully there more of a threat than the vice admirals
Although I’m also hoping the vice admirals get to fight the straw hats too
@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
I thought people said there was something in the name too that implied there was nine
That spread around the fanbase after Ch 1084, but after none of the translations, official or not, in any language, mentioned the "nine" (not even in footnotes some translations use), I went to check the original name, and there's no Kanji for nine.
It's just 神の騎士団, kami no kishidan, or Knights of God.
@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
So there’s nine holy knights and currently there’s nine Straw Hats, do we think we may have our next one on one villain group matchups?
I think there’s nine at least, could be wrong
Nope, there are currently ten Straw Hats from Luffy to Jinbe.
Besides, that panel was obscured by some boxes and was from Dragon's explanation anyway. Things like Yosaku's explanations of the warlords had generic silhouettes and likely are meant to represent the character's imagination if anything.
If taken at face value though, none of them resemble Garling, so at least 10. I figure 11 Straw Hats vs. 11 Blackbeard Pirates is what comes next, but 11 Straw Hats vs. 11 Holy Knights does also sound pretty interesting.
@electricmastro I think it will be a long while until Straw Hat Pirates vs Black Beard Pirates so I’ll gladly take 11 Straw Hat Pirates vs 11 Holy Knights in the meantime
I feel we may not have fights for everyone in most arcs. Maybe only the Blackbeard fights. Or the Blackbeards + final arc villains, if not them.
If we do get the World Government as final boss, it's probably safer to count Imu and Elders as part of the match-ups, so we don't really need a total of 11 Knights. I wouldn't be surprised if the Knights is a large force with dozens of members, but they are not all top level fights, and only some of them are of higher ranking to end up as match-up opponents.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
I feel we may not have fights for everyone in most arcs. Maybe only the Blackbeard fights. Or the Blackbeards + final arc villains, if not them.
If we do get the World Government as final boss, it's probably safer to count Imu and Elders as part of the match-ups, so we don't really need a total of 11 Knights. I wouldn't be surprised if the Knights is a large force with dozens of members, but they are not all top level fights, and only some of them are of higher ranking to end up as match-up opponents.
In any case, I hope Oda finds any excuse he can to strengthen the fighting capacity of all of the crew. Usopp is prob the crewmate that has been neglected the most in that respect and him being stoned isn't doing him any favors.
@electricmastro I think that will be the case, with each arc benefiting some set of Straw Hats before we reach the final arc. I feel Franky will come out of Egghead on a totally new level.
As much as Lucci is a jerkass bully, the man does have a point. No matter how strong Zoro and the others are, they'd undoubtably have their focus rattled by their less physically strong friends suffering fatal injury. The Straw Hats need a better system to ensure they're not constantly put in a tight spot that will distract the others.
Not sure if I asked this already but how many of the Straw Hats do you guys think will get bounties at or above a billion?
I mean we have four already and Robin is pretty close, so that will probably be another one, but who else do you think?
Many are realizing the break isn't bad. I always wanted a 2 month one. I can go until September honestly and I know Oda coming back with that fire.
@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
Not sure if I asked this already but how many of the Straw Hats do you guys think will get bounties at or above a billion?
I mean we have four already and Robin is pretty close, so that will probably be another one, but who else do you think?
If Buggy can get over billion, then I’ll say all of them will.
@electricmastro I mean that’s kind of a joke though
@Shiebs said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro I mean that’s kind of a joke though
Which is what didn't stop Usopp from getting to 500 million either. I'm sure Oda would find ways for all of them by the time this is all over. lol
@Shiebs I wish Chopper would finally pop off and get the bounty respect he should but I know Oda will just continue the joke and have him end at like....1000 beli.
meanwhile everyone else will balloon
@MetaMario said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs I wish Chopper would finally pop off and get the bounty respect he should but I know Oda will just continue the joke and have him end at like....1000 beli.
meanwhile everyone else will balloon
I’m honestly suspecting him to get up to a bounty higher than Sanji’s bounty similar to what he did with Jinbe.
I’m sure a lot of fans would get mad, but then again, Oda prob doesn’t care about that. lol
@MetaMario said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Shiebs I wish Chopper would finally pop off and get the bounty respect he should but I know Oda will just continue the joke and have him end at like....1000 beli.
meanwhile everyone else will balloon
Same, I really want to know what bounty he would get if the WG actually knew what he was capable of
So how are we expecting the interactions between Bonney, Stussy, Vegapunk, and the Straw Hats after we come back to Egghead?
Well, the Labophase death game needs to be resolved first.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
Well, the Labophase death game needs to be resolved first.
I know that, but I mean after that, just purely based on general speculation.
@electricmastro
What I mean is that everything can be turned upside down depending on how the death game goes.
Personally, I feel we are in for quite a lot of twists and turns before things can settle down, and I'm not even thinking about the marines arriving.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro
What I mean is that everything can be turned upside down depending on how the death game goes.Personally, I feel we are in for quite a lot of twists and turns before things can settle down, and I'm not even thinking about the marines arriving.
One thing I think I can be sure about is Saturn's death. I really don't think Oda would set things up like this just to get to the revelation that Saturn gets killed at Egghead, leaving only four Elders to contend with at the end of the series.
The biggest way I could see this being justified is if Oda wanted to replace Saturn with someone else to fill in for whatever reason.
With all the huge events happening all over the One Piece world, it'd take something like Saturn's death to top them all.
I don't know what will be the Egghead Incident, but I believe it will be the signal for many factions to attack the World Government.
It could be Saturn's death, or Vegapunk broadcasting Void Century knowledge to the world, or whatever. Maybe more than one of those things all at once.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
I don't know what will be the Egghead Incident, but I believe it will be the signal for many factions to attack the World Government.
It could be Saturn's death, or Vegapunk broadcasting Void Century knowledge to the world, or whatever. Maybe more than one of those things all at once.
Not sure what motive Vegapunk would have to just broadcast that or what exactly he’d gain out of it just telling the world that now.
@electricmastro maybe something in the line of "now you cannot just silence people in the know to shut them up, because the whole world knows". Deep down he could be convinced that what he learned about the Void Century should not remain a secret and that maintaining the status quo is only helping the darker elements within the world government.
Although on a second thought, I would rather expect this kind of logic to come from Morgans.
@Seafarer33 Yes, something like this.
Making the whole world know completely defeats the purpose of keeping the secret, and thus is a big F.U. to the WG. Depending what's revealed, it could further push pirates to seek the One Piece, as well as boost support to the Revolutionaries, two things things very deeply related to the endgame.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@Seafarer33 Yes, something like this.
Making the whole world know completely defeats the purpose of keeping the secret, and thus is a big F.U. to the WG. Depending what's revealed, it could further push pirates to seek the One Piece, as well as boost support to the Revolutionaries, two things things very deeply related to the endgame.
Well if it boosts support to the Revolutionaries, then fair enough. They def need all the support they can get now. I’m sure Vivi would also support them after realizing that Sabo actually tried saving her dad rather than assassinate them.
@electricmastro
Vivi being with Morgans makes me think she will either convince him to publish some story, or publish it herself behind his back. It could tie somehow into this idea of the secrets of the Void Century leaking out to the entire world.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro
Vivi being with Morgans makes me think she will either convince him to publish some story, or publish it herself behind his back. It could tie somehow into this idea of the secrets of the Void Century leaking out to the entire world.
Vivi could also be with Morgans since Morgans has connections with Stussy, as seen in Whole Cake. So Oda could easily use that as a way to reunite Vivi back with Straw Hats within the next arc or so.
@electricmastro Well, seeing how he's been marked to death, if I were him, I'd do it as a Fuck You to the WG.
So does anyone here think Oda is setting Kuma up to die? I know many want to see him gain his humanity back and reunite with Bonney, but seeing as how he’s pushing the drama with Bonney already, I’ve somehow got a bad feeling that the worst is yet to be seen in Bonney trying to manage the situation with Kuma.
This thought has occurred to me as well.
I think he will either be restored or die for real.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
This thought has occurred to me as well.
I think he will either be restored or die for real.
My gut reaction is to say that Oda would have Kuma after doing whatever he'll do at Mary Geoise would then teleport to Egghead as his final resting place and realize at the last moment that Bonney is there, saying some dying words about how he feels guilty about not accomplishing his mission about overthrowing the Celestial Dragons before his death, and then dies right in front of Bonney. I'm pretty sure it would emotionally destroy and even break Bonney, but considering how Oda tends to emphasize on death when it brings out the best in other characters, then I'd figure Bonney would feel inspired to carry on Kuma's will of overthrowing them and potentially start a new chapter in her life.
@electricmastro I don't think Kuma is going for Mary Geoise, it just happened to be on his way. I feel he was moving to Egghead from the start, and Oda is doing all those scenes in the Red Line both to misdirect the readers and to delay his arrival.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro I don't think Kuma is going for Mary Geoise, it just happened to be on his way. I feel he was moving to Egghead from the start, and Oda is doing all those scenes in the Red Line both to misdirect the readers and to delay his arrival.
Not sure what gain would be had in misdirecting people. If Egghead was really his goal, he would have poofed himself away by now. Hmm.
@electricmastro The Red Line was in the way. He was in Kamabaka, in Paradise, and Egghead is in the New World. It appears he can't send himself or other people across the Red Line because it's too tall (all locations he had sent the Straw Hats were on the same side of the Red Line). As such, he may have crashed against the Red Line and needs to climb it before he can send himself to Egghead.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro The Red Line was in the way. He was in Kamabaka, in Paradise, and Egghead is in the New World. It appears he can't send himself or other people across the Red Line because it's too tall (all locations he had sent the Straw Hats were on the same side of the Red Line). As such, he may have crashed against the Red Line and needs to climb it before he can send himself to Egghead.
I just can't shake this feeling of Kuma feeling compelled to take care of some business at Mary Geoise for some reason despite what you said. His flashback of being enslaved by Celestial Dragons only amplifies that.
@electricmastro
Well, it's normal to have different interpretations and expectations. That's why we are here, right? To expose and compare ideas!
My primary reason to think Kuma is heading to Egghead is because he has no will of his own, and, until recently, was quietly quiescent, not trying to go anywhere. He was even answering to Dragon's orders.
Then, after days of passivity, he suddenly starts behaving strangely.
What changed? There must be a trigger for Kuma's actions, and I think it's related to that machine the Revolutionaries plugged him into. We know nothing about that: what's its purpose, where did it come from... So, I think it may have been provided by Shaka, since Dragon was in contact with him.
I think York may have tampered with that machine, using it to remotely give Kuma new orders.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro
Well, it's normal to have different interpretations and expectations. That's why we are here, right? To expose and compare ideas!My primary reason to think Kuma is heading to Egghead is because he has no will of his own, and, until recently, was quietly quiescent, not trying to go anywhere. He was even answering to Dragon's orders.
Then, after days of passivity, he suddenly starts behaving strangely.
What changed? There must be a trigger for Kuma's actions, and I think it's related to that machine the Revolutionaries plugged him into. We know nothing about that: what's its purpose, where did it come from... So, I think it may have been provided by Shaka, since Dragon was in contact with him.
I think York may have tampered with that machine, using it to remotely give Kuma new orders.
Interesting explanation. Speaking of York, do you think Vegapunk will end up building a new York, or will she just end up getting destroyed and nothing more?
@electricmastro
I'm not sure. I think by the end you will have one or more Vegapunks escaping Egghead. There's a possibility that the original one dies to attone for his mistakes (maybe doing that broadcast I speculated earlier), and the surviving ones carry on his legacy.
I'd say it's very likely that Lilith will be one of the survivors. Since she's petrified, she will be safe when the Straw Hats figure a way to release her.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro
I'm not sure. I think by the end you will have one or more Vegapunks escaping Egghead. There's a possibility that the original one dies to attone for his mistakes (maybe doing that broadcast I speculated earlier), and the surviving ones carry on his legacy.I'd say it's very likely that Lilith will be one of the survivors. Since she's petrified, she will be safe when the Straw Hats figure a way to release her.
So maybe a new York then.
@electricmastro I don't expect new clones, but I think some of the "dead" ones will survive.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
I probably overlooked some, and I didn't cover Chekhov's Guns that seemed already fired (like, for instance, the Sea Beasts' malfunction actually being York's programming, or the Frontier Dome later being used to trap everyone in Labophase).
There’s also Zoro’s demand he was talking about when talking with Lilith.
@electricmastro Official translation says "we have demands" and some japanese speakers (like @sandman , if I'm not mistaken) say Zoro was negotiating rather than having specific personal demands. So, I left that out, for now.
@Deicide said in Official Egghead Thread:
@electricmastro Official translation says "we have demands" and some japanese speakers (like @sandman , if I'm not mistaken) say Zoro was negotiating rather than having specific personal demands. So, I left that out, for now.
But even negotiating can make one curious like me. If it was really that unimportant, I think either Oda would have casually shown what Zoro was negotiating or left that part out entirely for space reasons,
and yet, Oda left in Zoro’s negotiating halfway through regardless.
So, as the 4th (and last) break week begins, I bring my 4th (but not last) topic to discuss.
We have seen scenes all over the world, but there's one figure we haven't seen yet: Fleet Admiral Sakazuki. What he's up will define the movements of the entire marine force!
Not long ago, we saw Sakazuki promising to return fire on all fronts. And I feel that's exactly what we will get the next time we see him. He'll be moving the marines to respond to the many crisis all over the world.
This could even be the opening or main scene of Chapter 1087.
Consider, for instance, how we saw the marines aware of the Revolutionary Army's presence in Kamabaka Queendon.
For years the R.A. kept their base in Baltigo hidden, until Blackbeard exposed it recently.
Sakazuki may order an attack soon, maybe to suport the Holy Knights.
We also saw the marines have three Seraphim under their command. The panels that reveal them heavily suggest they may be used to attack Emptee Bluffs, the Cross Guild's base.
And what about the Admirals?
In timeline order, we last saw Fujitora in an unindetified sea, fighting Sea Kings. This was his only appearance post-Reverie so far. Where was he going? I have a hunch that this may be linked to the attempt on St Charloss' life...
Because we know Sai and Leo identified themselves and their allegiance after attacking Charloss, it's possible that Fujitora, after fumbling in the defense of Mary Geoise, was ordered to capture those two. Maybe there's a hunt happening right now on the New World.
And then there's Ryokugyuu, who we know is trying to gain Sakazuki's favor after the fumble in Mary Geoise.
He went to Wano, then to Sphynx, where he captured Weevil. He can quickly fly wherever he wants, and seems to be roaming the nearby seas, waiting for an opportunity...
And let's not forget the huge 100-ships fleet, led by Kizaru, that are moving towards Egghead, to protect St Saturn and wipe out the island.
There's also quite a few powerful marines we haven't seen yet. Names like Momonga, Onigumo, Dobberman, Chaton, Gion... those may or may not be added to any of the attack forces on the move.
So, in sum, for the first time since the series began, all three Admirals are confirmed as away from Headquarters, and they may very well be in close by areas of the New World.
I have a feeling that soon the marines will provoke moves by every major faction: The seraphim attack against Cross Guild; A force backing the Holy Knights invade Kamabaka Queendom; Kizaru's force faces the Straw Hats in Egghead. This makes both Cross Guild and the Revolutionary Army to retaliate.
Meanwhile, the battle in Egghead may get even more complicated... What if the Straw Hat Grand Fleet has already decided to rendezvous via Luffy's Vivre Card, joining the battle... but with Fujitora in pursuit? And what if Ryokugyuu, who may still be roaming the nearby seas, hears about the battle and decides to join it as well?
Could we see all three Admirals in action together? And if all that happens and that battle drags out, could Sakazuki himself decide to intervene?
In short, I have a feeling the so-called Egghead Incident may lead to an even bigger conflict. This may be the war Oda teased as dwarfing Marineford.
Oh, yeah: I posted this in the Vol 106 thread, but since this is the Egghead thread, I'll also post it here.
Vegapunks' official color schemes:
@Deicide Quite a lot of red going on there.
But in speaking of Ryokugyu, do you feel a lot of people will now be invading Wano like Yamato was talking about? Ryokugyu was only really there for Luffy, but he’s not there anymore.
@electricmastro
Yes, someone will invade Wano. Most likely, whoever gets the info on Pluton from Caribou.