@Deicide Well yes. I'm going by what I know not what i'd like. But even if it turns out Hancock had it worse, we still know her sisters had it rough. They deserve some payback too.
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@danie
Well, it's a theory. There's a lot of ifs in it.If she gets captured, and
If she gets a flashback, and
If the endgoal is joining the crew...
Then this and that may turn out to be true.I'm just exposing the possibilities.
If anyone's interested, I wrote the full theory (and some meta-hints for fun) in Reddit earlier this year.
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Yes, lots of ifs.
Still, it's not a really a theory I take seriously. Unlike Jinbe and Vivi, Oda has never really cared in focusing on Hancock.
Pre-timeskip, Vivi got scenes post-Water 7 and the Marineford War, as well as several cover pages to herself even post Alabasta. Post-timeskip, she got two whole covers during the "To the Ends of the World" cover story (and a third one in the 500 Million Man Arc) and became prominent again post Zou and the Levely, so Oda was doing her right as a "Straw Hat".
Same for Jinbe. He's the one who got a cover story while out of the main plot and was shown accompanying the alliance between Luffy and Law.
Hancock, meanwhile, only got that cover during the "500 Million Man Arc". Oda certainly doesn't seem to think of her as a main character material.
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@King-Cannon said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Unlike Jinbe and Vivi, Oda has never really cared in focusing on Hancock.
Until now.
She strikes me as a character that was built to be developed now. Her past is deeply linked with the Celestial Dragons and slavery, things we only directly dealt with in Sabaody and then were left unresolved.
She's not a character like Law that was planned in one week and ended up ridiculously popular. Oda planned her at least as far back as Ch 100, when her prototype design was teased in the front cover of Jump 1999.
Oda is the type of writer that would keep something important under a low profile until it's the moment to hit the readers with as many surprises as possible.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Simple counter theory: Hancock decided to spare Koby's punk ass because he let her in on what Luffy was up to, and now that she can't stay in Amazon Lily she is looking for him.
Where things go from there i am not sure...I think she is best suited to team up with Dragon. The Buggy/ Mihawk/ Crocodile team up makes me think Oda is looking to group characters together.
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Maybe Sabo, Hancock and Vivi will join forces together.
But seriously, Vivi is definitely the closest to become a SH in the current circumstances. She can't really return to Alabasta as long as she's being targeted, and it seems Sabo won't be able to return to the Revos right now, so she can't join them either if she's with him.
Another advantage Vivi has is that she should be with someone that has Luffy's Vivre Card, be it Sabo, Sai or Leo.
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@Deicide Well, it's funny you should say that because i'm pretty sure Vivi and Sabo are safe and sound. They just went through some shit.
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@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
We will get answers soon. Time is running out so whatever Oda’s plan is for the 11th (if there is one) we will know sooner rather than later.
I recall Oda mentioned in a discussion with Detective Conan's author of Luffy having his crew of 10, and then we have a chapter mentioning Luffy and his 9 commanders. So maybe it's a hint, maybe it isn't.
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@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Oh, the 11th Straw Hat. Sorry. lol
Nah, my bad. Should have figured it was this obvious seeing as this is the Crewmates thread. XD
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@King-Cannon said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
But seriously, Vivi is definitely the closest to become a SH in the current circumstances. She can't really return to Alabasta as long as she's being targeted
I just don't think Vivi is set on being a Straw Hat at this point since it was always clear to me her choice was helping out her kingdom first and foremost and only traveled around as a means to help it out. That was clear to me back then and I don't get the feeling she'd change her mind on that now. I imagine it would just get to the point that Luffy would declare Alabasta as his territory like with did with Fish-Man Island and Wano. Vivi doesn't even seem to have the potential to have a greater purpose set-up with her like I feel Yamato has either, but I am willing to be proven wrong of course.
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@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
@King-Cannon said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Unlike Jinbe and Vivi, Oda has never really cared in focusing on Hancock.
Until now.
She strikes me as a character that was built to be developed now. Her past is deeply linked with the Celestial Dragons and slavery, things we only directly dealt with in Sabaody and then were left unresolved.
She's not a character like Law that was planned in one week and ended up ridiculously popular. Oda planned her at least as far back as Ch 100, when her prototype design was teased in the front cover of Jump 1999.
Oda is the type of writer that would keep something important under a low profile until it's the moment to hit the readers with as many surprises as possible.
Unpopular opinion: a character doesn't need to be created before 2000 to be a Straw Hat. lol
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I don’t think that “this doesn’t make much sense” is really an argument people should be holding in such high esteem anymore.
If something is completely absurd, sure. But something that only seems slightly illogical (like the Marine agreeing to leave the Kuja alone if Hancock let herself be captured, for example) is the kind of thing Oda perfectly goes over in favor of achieving a certain end.With that said, I would hate a Hancock rescue arc. I really want her back in the story, but in a position that highlights her power, not as a damsel in distress - and knowing how Oda homogenizes personalities in certain roles, I can already see the disintegration of her personality in that scenario.
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Deicide, as much I love reading how much you support Hancock, you outta be careful to not put all your eggs in one basket. See in how most Yamato supporters on this site got gut punched when Yamato announced out of the blue she'd stay on Wano without much of a good reason.
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@Galleon-Panthera
Expectations and disappointment come hand-in-hand. I'm fully aware that I can be wrong. I try to re-analyze theories whenever a chapter comes that affects them.If Hancock is not captured, well, then the theory takes a big hit. Depending on the outcome, it becomes flat-out impossible.
Hell, things can go as perfectly as possible: she gets captured, she gets a flashback, she's reunited with Luffy and so on, and STILL she doesn't join the crew in the end.
But I can't help but enjoy the speculation and the anticipation. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. I'll be bummed for a few weeks, and then move on.
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If the last couple arcs have taught us anything is maybe don't go all-in on a character joining. lol
I don't see anything wrong with liking a character and hoping they join. If you start to delve into the territory of speculation and theorizing, just keep your mind open to the idea of it not happening. Even if you think your theory makes too much sense, Oda can come in and change everything in one panel. I'm a believer in one more Straw Hat but I would be crazy not to believe that right now Jinbei being the last one has a higher chance of happening. We don't have any candidates that check every box and that includes Vivi imo. There is still time for that stuff to happen but with each passing chapter it favors Jinbei being the last. Without thinking too hard I can see....
Vivi: Joins the Revolutionaries
Boa: Joins the Revolutionaries or Cross Guild
Yamato: Stays in WanoI'm all for speculation, just don't get too attach to it.
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@access-timeco Hancock getting captured by the likes of Koby so the Marines leave her people alone just seems very forced to me. It would seem much more natural for Hancock and her crew to wreck the Marines and get chased out at sea.
Alas, Oda does weak shit like that all the time so I'm ready to get disappointed.
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@Galleon-Panthera said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Deicide, as much I love reading how much you support Hancock, you outta be careful to not put all your eggs in one basket. See in how most Yamato supporters on this site got gut punched when Yamato announced out of the blue she'd stay on Wano without much of a good reason.
I didn’t get gut-punched when Yamato said what she said, more like perplexed and a little confused if anything. Before Chapter 1057, I knew what was missing from Yamato were things like it being elaborated what her greater purpose alongside Luffy would be and other such relevance, so I didn’t assume she was the same as Sanji or anything when he joined.
That didn’t really get explored before then since Onigashima’s fighting pretty much took up the bulk of everything going on and the aftermath of that being mainly dedicated to Momo, with it being apparent of Oda having the Straw Hats move on for now. Of course, it would have been appreciated to have explored it more before then, but the understanding I now get is that Momo is being set-up as the “Shanks” figure in Yamato’s life, one she bonds with and shares a common/interest dream with which gives Yamato greater purpose, and even think some things over what she really wants out of life, which may even include opening Wano’s borders I figure.
I also have to figure Yamato going on Oden’s path will have her go to Laugh Tale with Luffy regardless, since Oden went to Laugh Tale with the Pirate King as well, and have her fill in the missing gaps Oden’s journal had too. People are free to think otherwise of course, but I’m sure even naysayers would understand if they consider that seeing as how Yamato has talked about ideas such as Joy Boy, Wano’s borders, the Will of D., journal lore, etc. I think the only way Yamato would become irrelevant is when all those ideas become irrelevant, which a pretty extreme stance to take, so I’m sure even naysayers can’t completely fault me for thinking what I’ve thought and expressed here, all things considered.
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Boa I'm waiting to see where she is currently at. I feel like her status will determine her chances of joining. I have other concerns about Boa but I don't see a reason to get into it if she ends up with the Revolutionaries or Cross Guild.
If Yamato is coming back to the story then I feel her reason for staying would have to be deeper than protecting Wano or Oden related. I mean those are sound reasons to consider but not very deep or interesting to explore.
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@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Boa I'm waiting to see where she is currently at. I feel like her status will determine her chances of joining. I have other concerns about Boa but I don't see a reason to get into it if she ends up with the Revolutionaries or Cross Guild.
If Yamato is coming back to the story then I feel her reason for staying would have to be deeper than protecting Wano or Oden related. I mean those are sound reasons to consider but not very deep or interesting to explore.
I personally get the suspicion that Yamato is having Oden guide her life to the extent that she can't guide her own life more, as if to say her choices are more irrelevant compared to Oden's choices, and can fall into a mental conflict depending on what she expects out of all this now that she has freedom and Momo is carrying on Oden's legacy. So there's def potential for interesting exploration, I think it's just a matter of taking the time to expand on the potential.
As for Boa, I wouldn't think that she'd join since like Vivi, I think she could travel with them for a before for the mess to get settled before returning to the Kuja. It's really just a matter of what she really wants to do at this point I feel.
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@access-timeco
I had not seen your post earlier, so I’m replying just now.I totally understand the rejection of a “rescue Hancock” arc since we had a lot of such arcs over the years, and rescuing another female character seems repetitive and potentially sexist.
However, I think the idea has a lot in favor of it given the circumstances:
- The setting alone is worth it. The rescue provides the crew a reason to enter WG territory and explore some of its secrets before we get the full picture provided by the One Piece.
- Rescue arcs have been so far some of the best in the series due to their emotional exploration of characters.
- I believe Hancock may have way more agency in such an arc than Sanji, Robin or Nami had in theirs. First, because I don’t see her playing the trope of “I’m hiding the ugly truth so I don’t want you to rescue me, go away”. Second, because I feel she may have ways to fight on her own out of prison (I’m counting on Salome reaching her first).
- This is the perfect opportunity to explore St. Mjosgard (who may even have been Hancock’s owner). The idea of a traumatized former slave and a redeemed Celestial Dragon working out their issues together is too good to not consider.
- Much like WCI, the rescue may be just the reason to trigger the arc, with much more to do on its second half.
- This arc could also provide Jinbe and Robin chances to shine.
- And finally, depending on Vivi’s fate: if she’s Imu’s prisoner, this arc can provide her reunion with the Straw Hats.
In conclusion, I feel a Mary Geoise arc could be one of the best in the series, and it all begins with Hancock needing help.
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Idk, I feel like if Oda has more for Yamato then she would have to be hiding something that's closer to who she really is and not Oden related. She is using Oden as an excuse not to leave, not because she wants to follow in his footsteps but there is something deeper going on.
To me that would be more interesting to explore and make her more of a possible SH in my eyes.
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@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Idk, I feel like if Oda has more for Yamato then she would have to be hiding something that's closer to who she really is and not Oden related. She is using Oden as an excuse not to leave, not because she wants to follow in his footsteps but there is something deeper going on.
To me that would be more interesting to explore and make her more of a possible SH in my eyes.
Haha, you're prob the first person I've seen that I can recall who's willing to consider the idea that some deeper/emotional/mental conflict could be going on with Yamato and her Oden impersonation, even if she didn't really talk about it or get into much conflict with it before Chapter 1057.
I feel that Onigashima didn't provide as much opportunity for her to get into conflict with it to an understandable extent, and I think it will only be when she really starts interacting with the Wano citizens that she may start to get a rude awakening that the Wano citizens won't just accept her just because she calls herself Oden, even if they are Oden's people.
I know Yamato had been doing it for years to gain freedom and carry on Oden's will, but now that she has freedom, and seeing Oden's will being carried on by Momo, I think she'd possibly get into a loss as to what to do now, with the expectation that Oden's path being how she'll go out to sea is prob meant to really expose how much of a lack of a plan Yamato has and how aimless she is at this point. And I know I'm not getting overly-deep either, after Oda did things like Usopp being conflicted and needing another persona like Sogeking to feel more confident.
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Am I the only one who would enjoy a badass Grandma character joining the crew? Like Setsuno from Toriko, I think that would be awesome
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I have other thoughts and theories about Yamato (some I just came up with today) but I'm going to hold off until we find out what Caribou/Blackbeard are up to. I don't want to get attach to any one character yet and suffer more heartbreak. lol
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@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
I have other thoughts and theories about Yamato (some I just came up with today) but I'm going to hold off until we find out what Caribou/Blackbeard are up to. I don't want to get attach to any one character yet and suffer more heartbreak. lol
Regardless of how everyone how feels about or views Yamato, I think not many people can deny how it's more interesting speculating on her than some other characters, because of possible identity issues and any agendas she has regarding Joy Boy lore, unless anyone here wants to come up and speculate on characters like Hiyori, Kinemon, or Hyogoro joining the crew later on. lol
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Right now I'm focusing on Vivi and Boa as either one can show up on Sphinx and the crew will be complete. Caribou/Blackbeard is for which island(s) we will be seeing right after Sphinx. If I'm right about Blackbeard's plans, that could affect Yamato's chances. The more I think about that, it's unlikely that Yamato is a Jinbei situation. It would be more of a Nami/Robin situation. Again, Yamato needs more pieces in place to not only put her back in Luffy's path, but those pieces HAVE to trigger her character arc. I could be right about Blackbeard and Yamato could still not join.
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@Shiebs said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Am I the only one who would enjoy a badass Grandma character joining the crew? Like Setsuno from Toriko, I think that would be awesome
In a better reality, Kureha joined as the doctor.
To not leave Chopper out, in that reality Oda had already Chopper planned to be a mascot since the start so he could join as that.
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@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Right now I'm focusing on Vivi and Boa as either one can show up on Sphinx and the crew will be complete. Caribou/Blackbeard is for which island(s) we will be seeing right after Sphinx. If I'm right about Blackbeard's plans, that could affect Yamato's chances. The more I think about that, it's unlikely that Yamato is a Jinbei situation. It would be more of a Nami/Robin situation. Again, Yamato needs more pieces in place to not only put her back in Luffy's path, but those pieces HAVE to trigger her character arc. I could be right about Blackbeard and Yamato could still not join.
It all seems to go back to Momo in regards to Yamato's situation, but actually, wouldn't Hyogoro be of bigger help to Momo in the long run?
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Yamato would have knowledge about what Momo can do with his Devil Fruit, but that would be about it. The Scabbards would cover being and fighting like a samurai. They, along with Hiyori, would cover the ins and outs of Wano.
I think Momo triggered Yamato changing her mind but I believe the reason has nothing to do with him. If Oda has more plans for Yamato, think of it like Nami and Arlong’s bounty poster or Robin and Aokiji/CP9.
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@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Yamato would have knowledge about what Momo can do with his Devil Fruit, but that would be about it. The Scabbards would cover being and fighting like a samurai. They, along with Hiyori, would cover the ins and outs of Wano.
I think Momo triggered Yamato changing her mind but I believe the reason has nothing to do with him. If Oda has more plans for Yamato, think of it like Nami and Arlong’s bounty poster or Robin and Aokiji/CP9.
Nami and Robin were two women who seemed like they had agendas of their own and even seemed bothered by some dark secret from the past that compelled them to distance themselves from Luffy and the others once the pressure started to ramp up.
If Yamato is indeed comparable to them, then chances are we're possibly in for something more sinister regarding Yamato's story.
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Nami and Robin’s backstories are more about fear and that fear keeping them in their bad situations.
If you apply that to Yamato it would be fear of being herself and that fear is keeping her from leaving Wano.
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@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Nami and Robin’s backstories are more about fear and that fear keeping them in their bad situations.
If you apply that to Yamato it would be fear of being herself and that fear is keeping her from leaving Wano.
Yeah, putting it that way, years of Yamato hoping her whole life in counting on Oden's will to give her the freedom she had wanted, and then actually getting it, might only lead a to whiplash and Yamato at a loss as to what to actually do now that she can leave Wano anytime she wants, and only has the vague idea of going on Oden's path, leaving one to question why she isn't choosing to go on her own path and just be with Luffy already like she said before.
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Can we make a separate Yamato will rejoin thread please?
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@Kishido said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Can we make a separate Yamato will rejoin thread please?
No keep it contained in here.
Like Perona, Monet, Hancock, Shirahoshi, Barto, etc etc etc didn't need their own threads.
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@Kishido said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Can we make a separate Yamato will rejoin thread please?
Since one has to join in the first place to be able to rejoin after one has left, such a thread wouldn't make any logical sense.
In other news, I just got home from grabbing me a nice big Carrot figure at a UFO catcher. Since we kinda let any kind of ridiculous argument slide here, I figure I should let it be known in case somebody takes this as a sign.
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I find it funny that "I spent money on character x therefore they are joining" isn't the most ridiculous argument I've read. lol
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@Zin-Magala said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
I find it funny that "I spent money on character x therefore they are joining" isn't the most ridiculous argument I've read. lol
I think arguing whether it's funny or actually sad is a worthy debate of its own.
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lol This is what the nakama discussion has turned into: laughing while holding back tears.
Honestly, what happened at the end of Wano was the best decision. Nakama discussion needs a hard reset.
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@Zin-Magala
It needed one for years now. You weren't there when people legit thought Paulie was a valid candidate for the position. Someone who's shtick is to just shout at other people. Considering that these people are women who dress not to his liking I think that character quirk has aged like milk considering the sensetivity of people in 2022. -
@Ivotas
I went back a read some of the past discussions. There has definitely been some.....interesting takes. I didn't dig too deep because I don't want to prejudge anyone if they so happen to still be posting.I'm guilty of jumping on bandwagons too early but I still like to let the story play out. I'm not a big fan of coming to a conclusion first and picking pieces out of the story to prove my opinion, handwaving everything that doesn't.
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@Zin-Magala
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I just find it strange that somehow in this conversation, the narrative changed to Jinbe being the last Straw Hat and people should forfeit discussing possible candidates. Whether we believe the next/potentially last Straw Hat is Carrot, Vivi, Hancock, Yamato (again), Smoker, Drake, etc., it's borderline guaranteed we will get a 10th member following Jinbe.
Outside narratively matching the parallels of the Straw Hat Pirates against the Blackbeard Pirates, I remember reading the tweet from YonkouProductions and later sandman that was discussed here 2 years ago in the One Piece magazine translated and posted that Luffy's statement on having "about 10 crewmembers" did not account for Luffy. This was during the peak of the whole Yamato debate against Carrot and it only got stronger since before...y'know...
This is reflected in literally the chapter titles when characters join the Straw Hat Crew. Zoro being called "Number One" or " The First" in the title of Chapter 6 when he joins and subsequently other members of the crew get the same treatment. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head who haven't gotten this are Robin and recently Jinbe. It's also why I think Jinbe will get his toast on screen since it was postponed by Luffy in Chapter 977. In Chapter 1053, we don't see Luffy toast to Jinbe, he toasts to the efforts of the Alliance, the Red Scabbards, and the Wano citizens. Not Jinbe, who coincidentally wasn't present that day at the festival.
So I don't think it's wrong we have certain expectations of these events, for both a new nakama candidate and Jinbe's toast.
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Oda could have simply forgot, like the myriad of things he didn't address post-raid.
The fact is, Luffy did postpone the toast, but also said the newer toast would involve all of Wano in it. So the toast he promised DID happen, regardless if Jinbe was seen toasting or not.
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@King-Cannon said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Oda could have simply forgot, like the myriad of things he didn't address post-raid.
The fact is, Luffy did postpone the toast, but also said the newer toast would involve all of Wano in it. So the toast he promised DID happen, regardless if Jinbe was seen toasting or not.
That toast was to the accomplishment of the raid and party. That happens virtually every arc. Nakama toasts are more intimate and isolated, so I'm not exactly sold on that reasoning.
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Maybe we'll still get it but my hope for the toast is rock bottom not going to lie. Like clearly some time passed on the ship when we see them getting the bounties and it's like a very weird jump to hey let's induct jinbe now. To me it feels like last chapter was the one it had to happen tbh. So I'm kind just accepting that Oda probably flubbed,
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@Hakase said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
Maybe we'll still get it but my hope for the toast is rock bottom not going to lie. Like clearly some time passed on the ship when we see them getting the bounties and it's like a very weird jump to hey let's induct jinbe now. To me it feels like last chapter was the one it had to happen tbh. So I'm kind just accepting that Oda probably flubbed,
Sucks cause it's the type of thing you wanna believe in Oda on paying off but hey we're in the flub oda era now were bad storytelling is a legit explanation for some stuff.The way I'm rationalizing it is that Ch. 1057 was dedicated to leaving Wano and concluding, Ch. 1058 was to show the aftermath of Luffy's decision to jump off the waterfall and to finally give the Straw Hats their updated bounties that we didn't get to see as well as info about the Cross Guild. We literally only got 4 pages dedicated to the Straw Hats last chapter, so I can hope that we'll refocus to get something on Jinbe getting a formal induction toast. Straw Hats didn't celebrate Usopp and Robin rejoining and Franky joining till they escaped Garp's onslaught and Brook's celebration to the crew was postponed till they left the Florian Triangle and Thriller Bark behind. The main difference between those examples and with Jinbe is that they occurred to conclude the arc rather than at the beginning of a new one.
I really can't imagine Oda not showing a Straw Hat toast dedicated to a new nakama, especially one as anticipated as Jinbe. They were literally going to do it Chapter 977, so I'm reserving my skepticism till later. I could be wrong, but I am just putting that out there.
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I think we are meant to take the toast as something that happened off-screen during the big celebration, unfortunately.
The toasts are a tradition, but Oda has broken tradition in the past ("The Nth" chapter titles, for instance). We know that Luffy stated they'd give Jinbe his toast during the big celebration. And nothing in the event that we saw could have changed those plans. From the SH's perspective, they had the whole night to get together and celebrate Jinbe's joining.
It would be strange if it didn't happen and then happens now, without any remarkable event to justify it.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Next Straw Hat Crewmates (Vol. 9 - Yamato vs. The World):
I think we are meant to take the toast as something that happened off-screen during the big celebration, unfortunately.
The toasts are a tradition, but Oda has broken tradition in the past ("The Nth" chapter titles, for instance). We know that Luffy stated they'd give Jinbe his toast during the big celebration. And nothing in the event that we saw could have changed those plans. From the SH's perspective, they had the whole night to get together and celebrate Jinbe's joining.
It would be strange if it didn't happen and then happens now, without any remarkable event to justify it.
I wouldn't be able to see something like that happening off screen even remotely justifiable. Not only was he not dedicated in the toast that was made, he wasn't even physically there for them to celebrate with so while unprecedented, doesn't even match Luffy's statement. He wanted to have a toast with everyone in Wano, so he did.
Nakama toasts are dedicated to themselves as its more personal and not something they would celebrate with anyone other than themselves.
General Induction when Usopp joined:
With Chopper joining:
With Usopp and Robin rejoining and Franky joining:
With Brook joining:
The Straw Hat toasts only really started being a tradition consistently with Chopper joining and Robin didn't even get hers till she got it shared with Usopp also rejoining and with Franky. So there's no real set order of when and how it happens, but I do think Jinbe will get a toast. Right now, Luffy's in a cage, so we'll see how that works out if it does actually happen.
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But look at the moments those toasts happened: always at the victorious end of their respective arcs. Everything is said and done, the Straw Hats are leaving. A toast for the new member, and let's go to the new adventure!
But that moment has already passed. We are already in the new adventure. It would be pretty weird to place a toast at random now.
Which is why I feel we are meant to consider the big celebration the moment Jinbe got his toast... off-screen.
