But yeah i totally know what you are refering to. That warbling vibrating way he talks in that movie is kind of annoying. I'd like to think that he was just finding his feet after being thrust into a a big role, as i've heard he was a famous impressionist who used to imitate Lupins voice so he probably had to tweak it a bit to make it workable for a feature length film. He sounds waaaay less annoying the further along his run you go, compare good bye partner with nostradamus and it's like two different voice actors. Nostradamus as a whole is pretty much missed opportunities the movie, lots of potential and production quality wasted on a meh movie.
Lupin the 3rd
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Thats good to know, thanks for the feedback guys, as well as the extensive rundowns of the movies and whatnot you've done in the past in this thread, those are real helpful. I knew Nostradamus wasn't highly regarded, but it was just the one I came across, and if nothing else the initial car chase is pretty fun.
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I'm not sure if I even saw Farewell To Nostradamus.
I finally watched the new CGI movie. It's ok. It was cool to see Lupin in a new format, but I wouldn't put it up there with my favorite movies. As a lot of people mentioned, the other characters are sidelined too much. (wouldn't be the first time)
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Do you remember Zenigata dressed up as Carmen Miranda?
If not you probably haven't seen nostradamus.
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Back at Christmas, I got my very first discotek release, which was the Lupin movie "Mystery of Mamo". I already seen the movie years ago, when it was up on hulu with the pioneer cast of Lupin Part 2. The movie still holds up to me. I'm happy that got two Lupin movies on dvd now (The other movie I got was an older release of Castle of Cagliostro.).
Also I finally started to watch the post Adult Swim era dub episodes of Lupin, Part 2. So far, I watch episodes 28 -32. "Morocco Horror Picture Show" and "Lupin the Interred" were the two best episodes of this batch so far for me. The Morocco episode had one of favorite my joke with an reference to the Disneyland jail.
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If it's the dub, it's had multiple dub casts and most of the movies were pretty mediocre.
A lot of the early dubs also had the situation where Lupin had a questionable copyright status in the United States so they tried to tapdance around the issue by calling him The Wolf, Rupan, or, like one dub of Cagliostro, Boss, which is really distracting coming from Jigen.
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The Streamline Cagliostro dub is actually pretty good… on its own merits.
Not as a Lupin dub or as a faithful rep of Miyazaki's script, but on its own merits as a one off film, the cast is good and the jokes work.
The really early dubs of Fuma and Gold of Babylon and the the Miyazaki episodes of Red jacket where they called him Wolf or Rupan you just have to write off as relics of the time, it is what it is. It has a kind of charm to it.
I'm mostly thinking of the dozen or so tv movies Funimation did where they had the DBZ cast doing the roles, and having Krillin as Lupin and Piccollo as Jigen and 18 as Fujiko, and they're all using basically the same voices, is just kind of weird and doesn't feel right. Also because that was the same time the far superior Geneon cast was dubbing the red jacket series.
There's a reason the Geneon crew is the one that's put onto all the new releases. I suppose locality is probably the biggest factor but they're the ones fans seem to generally prefer..
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I just watch the most bizarre episode of Lupin. The entire storyline with Lupin becoming an vampire was crazy. The Zenigata stuff in the episode was pretty funny.
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No love for Fujiko randomly dressing up as a short fat Elvis impersonator?
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The streamline dub is the only way to go for me. -Should've worn an asbestos suit! Will forever be in my heart. But i mean it was the first Lupin media i ever came across, so it is hard to compete with that level of nostalgic fondness.
I just watch the most bizarre episode of Lupin. The entire storyline with Lupin becoming an vampire was crazy. The Zenigata stuff in the episode was pretty funny.
One of my favorites. The wonderful crack plot aside i just like that whole vampires don't care if you are shinto bit with Jigen and Goemon. It's probably in my top 15 red jacket episodes.
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For me, It's the Geneon/Pioneer cast(I'll include the Part 4 and 5 dub into this as well even through there is a different dub voice of Zenigata). Since I been so used to them for so long from the Adult Swim airing of Part 2. I only seen one thing with the Funimation cast, which was the Crisis in Tokyo movie years ago. Which I thought that dub cast was fine, but they weren't on par with the Pioneer cast.
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When it comes to the red jacket series i used to be a gag dub or nothing kinda guy, Oliver and Epcar are just that good. But Yamada and Kobayashi have been growing on me too. Both Zenigatas are too amazing to just choose one. The other two i could honestly go either way with. I guess i'd give a slight edge to the Japanese Goemon, and the other way around for the slightly tougher sounding dub Fujiko. Most other english dubs, other than the glorious streamline dub of cagliostro, tend to feel like they are made by people who don't really care. Just read the lines, mangle the pronounciation and for gods sake don't emote. So that's an edge the japanese have, not quite as good but far more consistent in it's quality
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Welp after 20 years i have finally found the single worst piece of Lupin media. That goddamn popcorn space ship episode of the red jacket series. What even was that? Crack plots usually tends to be fun, but this manages to be both way out there and strange and yet incrediby dull.
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Welp after 20 years i have finally found the single worst piece of Lupin media. That goddamn popcorn space ship episode of the red jacket series. What even was that? Crack plots usually tends to be fun, but this manages to be both way out there and strange and yet incrediby dull.
Saw that one a few days ago, it was certainly …something.
I'm working my way through the last batch of Red Jacket episodes, and it definitely seems to be getting weirder, you should have one coming up that's all about a guy turning Lupin into a human weather-vane for some reason.
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Welp after 20 years i have finally found the single worst piece of Lupin media. That goddamn popcorn space ship episode of the red jacket series. What even was that? Crack plots usually tends to be fun, but this manages to be both way out there and strange and yet incrediby dull.
Guess you don't want to know they kind of remade that episode for the 3rd show just without the goofy popcorn bullshit.
Still say that's not even close to the worst of the worst of that season's episodes.
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So i had time to go through another batch of eps, and i gotta say i didn't mind the weatherwane one, sure it was all kinds of weird but at least it had the decency to be fun. I noticed that the longer you go in to the red jacket series the more ripped straight from the manga episodes you get. Not that i mind, i have grown to love those bizarro stories from the first manga lol
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Don’t think it’s fake and knowing how they did the last two parts I think this will be set in the UK
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I sort of miss the one week we're in rio one day we're in helsinki nature of the old shows. But sure why not UK, or Spain or Germany, even if it is a bit more of the same. I suppose it is too much too ask for a Lupin Scandi edition? Lupin in the baltics? The gang does the balkans?
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I also much prefer the wacky adventures going literally anywhere and doign anything in self contained 20 minute capers. The big hyper connected stories of series 4 and 5 haven't really done it for me. Like, they've been TOO big, and also not big enough to justify that amount of space. They were pacing a movie length story into 13 or 20 episodes because they wanted to, not because they actually needed to.
You can throw a powerful badguy (with exactly 4 goons) at these characters for them to deal with in a 90 minute movie and that works out pretty well usually pacing wise with just enough time for everyone to do something depending on the focus, but when you take one single threat and extend it for two dozen episodes it feels weird.
Also, not sure if I want hacker girl to return or not. They certainly can use a character to specialize in a talent they didn't need 50 years ago, but its also weird to try and shake up the dynamic after so so long. Needed, maybe, but weird.
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I was meh on Part 4 but I absolutely adored Part 5 and loved Ami and would be super happy if she returned (she's a lot better than Diet Fujiko aka Rebecca).
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Here's the teaser trailer for Lupin Part 6.
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Also, not sure if I want hacker girl to return or not. They certainly can use a character to specialize in a talent they didn't need 50 years ago, but its also weird to try and shake up the dynamic after so so long. Needed, maybe, but weird.
I'll say I still wish the bomber guy from episode 6 of part 1 became a regular part of the team (back when it was still only Lupin & Jigen).
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Huh, are we returning to green jacket for the 50th? I'm down with that.
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OK, I'm pumped now
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Interesting that they're going back to the green jacket.
I actually liked parts 4 and 5 more than the older stuff, so I'm super excited for part 6.
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IV was not one of my favorites. It was fine, but the story got a bit boring at times. V was incredibly good, though.
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I didn't care for the Da Vinci part at all. The stand alones were great tho
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I didn't care for the Da Vinci part at all. The stand alones were great tho
Yeah, that was my least favorite part of it. I didn't like all the stand alones either. "The End of Lupin III" was a great one, though.
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Oh yeah that's the one based on the manga, i've liked all iterations of that story so far. And the love pig one was good too, and the one where Zeni protects an heiress, and that one where some Greek dong makes the trio fight. But my favorite out of the whole lot is that random hotel ghost story, everything about that appealed to me, the Jigen/Lupin interaction, the family ghost scam, the bumbling "villains" and the real ghost all added up to something great.
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Just watched Princess of the Breeze. From 2013, its the oldest Lupin film I hadn't yet seen, aside from Record of Observations of the East, but I haven't been able to find that one anywhere. .
It was a really good one! Gorgeous animation (especially the backgrounds), good humor that made em chuckle several times, some nice chase scenes (albeit cgi heavy with the vehicles), decent action, and a fantastic secondary cast of new side characters, which sort of made up for the usual leads being pushed to the back..
It didn't have much to do for the crew, and the villain was pretty forgettable, (nothing is ever going to match the chase from Fuma Conpiracy) so its not going to rank among the all time greats, but its probably the best Lupin film I've seen in a while.
It feels like a very soft homage to Cagliostro. It's not a remake or or sequel or anything, the story is pretty different in fact, but it hits some beats like the castle, the princess, and the ninjas, and feels a tiny bit like a love letter without being beholden to it..
Man that was an ugly baby.
With that, I'm nearly caught up.
[hide]Still need to see
Record of Observations (2012)
Goodbye partner (2019)
Prison of the Past (2019)
and the CGI one, the First. (also 2019)I also need to see Goemon's Bloodspray (2017) and Fujiko's Lie (ALSO 2019? yeesh!) , but I didn't care for Jigen's Gravestone and I outright disliked the Fujiko tv series, so I'm really not in a hurry to watch those. I don't like that team's approach to the franchise. Love the artstyle, hate the character work and story.
I've fallen behind the last few years but it goes in phases. I get in a mood and then see four of five films close together, marathon some tv episodes, then let it go again. I'm very very close to having now seen everything so I guess I should push a little to watch the remainders.
(also they released FOUR movies in 2019? WHAT THE HECK? 2017 was the manga's 50th anniversary and the anime anniversary is coming up.)
25 out of 27 tv specials, all 5 OVAs, 7 out of 10 films, both Conan crossovers, both awful live action films, and I think every episode of all six tv series though I may have missed some pink jacket.. very nearly everything now. [/hide]
It's taken 20+ years to do, and I've forgotten large chunks of it and a bunch of it blends together, but almost everything!
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One day I need to work out what I still have to watch.
I know there's the Pink Jacket series, the Fujiko series and I think a film or two that goes with it (I have very little desire to watch that though, it's just too different), but there's probably a ton of those TV specials and movies I haven't even heard of let alone watched. -
I'm not even remotely close to having seen everything. I've seen Parts IV and V. I've seen Castle of Cagliostro and the Is Lupin Sill Burning special that aired on Toonami. And I'm very slowly making my way through Part II and…that's pretty much it.
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One day I need to work out what I still have to watch.
I know there's the Pink Jacket series, the Fujiko series and I think a film or two that goes with it (I have very little desire to watch that though, it's just too different), but there's probably a ton of those TV specials and movies I haven't even heard of let alone watched.Wikipedia has a fairly complete listing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupin_the_Third
In particular the tv specials. I always had the problem with them that I started with bootleg TAPES (which tell you how long I've been on this trip) and they all had different titles at the time. I ended up buying a lot of the dvds only to discover I'd already seen a given movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lupin_III_television_specials
I'm not even remotely close to having seen everything. I've seen Parts IV and V. I've seen Castle of Cagliostro and the Is Lupin Sill Burning special that aired on Toonami. And I'm very slowly making my way through Part II and…that's pretty much it.
As someone who has seen almost all of it… that's fine. You're honestly not missing much. When there's THAT much content there's obviously some real gems in there, but there's a lot of trash... and a lot that's just... there. Passable, fine, okay as a romp, but just there.
Out of the ~40 movies, tv specials and OvAs I've seen, I'd only recommend maybe ten of them, and only REALLY recommend 3 from that list. (Cagliostro, Fuma Conspiracy, Episode 0).
Green jacket has it's moments, and episode 4 when Zengigata actually caches Lupin and puts him in jail is probably my favorite 20 minutes of Lupin ever (there's a reason they keep remaking that story) but overall Green Jacket is really rough. They didn't know what they were doing with the gang yet and it has aged poorly until you get to the Miyazaki episodes.(And even then, the eps are 50 years old. Even if they were the best most timeless writing ever they'd still be hard to watch.)
Pink Jacket is kind of offputting and weird and almost entirely skippable. Some decent eps in there but no reason to slog through all 50.
Red Jacket tv series is the only one that you really need, there's a reason it was the most popular and longest running.
Obviously personal tastes will vary, Wolfwood and Cosmic have liked several I haven't, and I haven't watched some of them in 20 years so tastes change and how much Lupin I've seen since I first saw them... you might personally end up really truly loving one of the ones I found middling... but its absolutely NOT a franchise to be completionist about. Just watch it when you're in the mood.
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Is there any canon left to be spoiled after part 1?
Can I just watch part 6 having never seen any of parts 3-5?
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I've read the entire original manga, what is translated of the second manga, seen all tv specials except elusivness of the fog and sweet lost night, all movies except the live action ones, but including both versions of the pilot and the conan crossovers, and all eps of series 1, 2 and 4 plus the Fujiko mine series. So now i just need to polish off those two specials, what i have left of the pink jacket series and all of the France series and maybe the live action ones just because and i will have done a near enough sweep of the franchise
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Is there any canon left to be spoiled after part 1?
Can I just watch part 6 having never seen any of parts 3-5?
The beauty of Lupin is that every single piece of it can be consumed on it's own. Anything you truly need to know will get brought up in any given story
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Just watched Princess of the Breeze. From 2013, its the oldest Lupin film I hadn't yet seen, aside from Record of Observations of the East, but I haven't been able to find that one anywhere. .
It was a really good one! Gorgeous animation (especially the backgrounds), good humor that made em chuckle several times, some nice chase scenes (albeit cgi heavy with the vehicles), decent action, and a fantastic secondary cast of new side characters, which sort of made up for the usual leads being pushed to the back..
It didn't have much to do for the crew, and the villain was pretty forgettable, (nothing is ever going to match the chase from Fuma Conpiracy) so its not going to rank among the all time greats, but its probably the best Lupin film I've seen in a while.
It feels like a very soft homage to Cagliostro. It's not a remake or or sequel or anything, the story is pretty different in fact, but it hits some beats like the castle, the princess, and the ninjas, and feels a tiny bit like a love letter without being beholden to it..
Man that was an ugly baby.
With that, I'm nearly caught up.
Huh. I thought it had a general Miyazaki vibe to it but i never picked up on it being a Cagliostro homage specifically. But i mean now that you've mentioned it.
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Oh yeah that's the one based on the manga, i've liked all iterations of that story so far. And the love pig one was good too, and the one where Zeni protects an heiress, and that one where some Greek dong makes the trio fight. But my favorite out of the whole lot is that random hotel ghost story, everything about that appealed to me, the Jigen/Lupin interaction, the family ghost scam, the bumbling "villains" and the real ghost all added up to something great.
Yeah I had forgotten those, I had to read the official descriptions before the light bulb lit up. I watched the first half of the series when it was airing and then I lost cable and didn't catch up with the second half until a year ago or so, so I don't remember the earlier episodes very well.
Just watched Princess of the Breeze. From 2013, its the oldest Lupin film I hadn't yet seen, aside from Record of Observations of the East, but I haven't been able to find that one anywhere. .
It was a really good one! Gorgeous animation (especially the backgrounds), good humor that made em chuckle several times, some nice chase scenes (albeit cgi heavy with the vehicles), decent action, and a fantastic secondary cast of new side characters, which sort of made up for the usual leads being pushed to the back..
It didn't have much to do for the crew, and the villain was pretty forgettable, (nothing is ever going to match the chase from Fuma Conpiracy) so its not going to rank among the all time greats, but its probably the best Lupin film I've seen in a while.
It feels like a very soft homage to Cagliostro. It's not a remake or or sequel or anything, the story is pretty different in fact, but it hits some beats like the castle, the princess, and the ninjas, and feels a tiny bit like a love letter without being beholden to it..
Man that was an ugly baby.
With that, I'm nearly caught up.
[hide]Still need to see
Record of Observations (2012)
Goodbye partner (2019)
Prison of the Past (2019)
and the CGI one, the First. (also 2019)I also need to see Goemon's Bloodspray (2017) and Fujiko's Lie (ALSO 2019? yeesh!) , but I didn't care for Jigen's Gravestone and I outright disliked the Fujiko tv series, so I'm really not in a hurry to watch those. I don't like that team's approach to the franchise. Love the artstyle, hate the character work and story.
I've fallen behind the last few years but it goes in phases. I get in a mood and then see four of five films close together, marathon some tv episodes, then let it go again. I'm very very close to having now seen everything so I guess I should push a little to watch the remainders.
(also they released FOUR movies in 2019? WHAT THE HECK? 2017 was the manga's 50th anniversary and the anime anniversary is coming up.)
24 out of 27 tv specials, all 5 OVAs, 7 out of 10 films, both Conan crossovers, both awful live action films, and I think every episode of all six tv series though I may have missed some pink jacket.. very nearly everything now. [/hide]
It's taken 20+ years to do, and I've forgotten large chunks of it and a bunch of it blends together, but almost everything!
I don't think I've even heard of Princess of the Breeze, it hasn't come up when I've searched for DVDs or streams.
I have seen Goodbye Partner, rented it on Amazon, and I thought it was decent. The new CGI movie is worth seeing for the animation and the novelty of it, but I didn't find the plot to be anything special. As a lot of people have mentioned before, it's very focused on Lupin on the new incidental characters and doesn't leave the rest of the crew much to do.
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I own the entire first series of the manga… I kept waiting and waiting for it to evolve into the franchise I loved but it never quite got there. Soem neat stuff but it never quite worked for me. It was the animation team that ironed out the kinks and really made it sing.
I never checked the second manga series as a result.
Is there any canon left to be spoiled after part 1?
Can I just watch part 6 having never seen any of parts 3-5?
You can watch any lupin in any order. It's all standalone. The most recent tv series have had ongoing plots within their own season, but otherwise any episode or movie can be viewed whenever.
Even the tiny handful of direct sequels that do exist rightly assume the audience hasn't seen the 30 or 50 year old original story, so they catch you up on everything you need to know… or flatout do a retelling of what happened the last time... but the only examples of that I can think of are the very first episode of Red Jacket, and the "Return of Pycal" OVA.
Heck, even their origin story movie, Episode 0, reuses the Geomon stuff from the green jacket series but changes a lot of details.
I don't think I've even heard of Princess of the Breeze, it hasn't come up when I've searched for DVDs or streams.
https://www.wcoforever.com/lupin-iii-princess-of-the-breeze-hidden-city-in-the-sky-english-subbed
As a lot of people have mentioned before, it's very focused on Lupin on the new incidental characters and doesn't leave the rest of the crew much to do.
That seems to be the case surprisingly often. If its not a film specifically focused on one the gang, they tend to get shortchanged. Jigen and Zenigata fare the best generally, but a lot of times they just do not know what to do with Goemon or Fujiko. It's tough to balance a 5 character cast in a 90 minute movie and still have time for plot. Their usual solution is to give the villain minions, conveniently a gun user and a sword user, and for Fujiko to just be kidnapped bystander, but even that only goes so far and gets repetitive.
Huh. I thought it had a general Miyazaki vibe to it but i never picked up on it being a Cagliostro homage specifically. But i mean now that you've mentioned it.
Yeah the secondary characters and air pirate stuff gave a general Miyazaki vibe, especially the look of the prince, but there were certain scenes that were evocative.
! Like when Lupin gets shot at the top of the castle… or when he grabs the princess and dives head first into the lake to take the brunt of it, or the cars drive sideways on a cliff.
! Or that Fujiko is undercover secretary for the badguy. Yeah she always does that, but she had her hair up in a bun, was wearing glasses, and a red dress which isn't entirely a regular go-to for her.
! Plus the other stuff I mentioned like the castle location, the treasure needing an heiress' key, the ninjas, the treasure being an island being revealed... and Lupin in general being a bit more on the mature sideLike I said, it wasn't in any way a remake or a sequel to Calgliostro, and it might not have even been intentional homage… but the team that made that movie had definitely internalized Cagliostro pretty heavily as what they thought Lupin should be. And at least one of the music cues came from the Cagliostro soundtrack but that's happened before.
Subconscious or intentional, there were a lot of little details that felt familiar, moreso than in other Lupin fliks.
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That seems to be the case surprisingly often. If its not a film specifically focused on one the gang, they tend to get shortchanged. Jigen and Zenigata fare the best generally, but a lot of times they just do not know what to do with Goemon or Fujiko. It's tough to balance a 5 character cast in a 90 minute movie and still have time for plot. Their usual solution is to give the villain minions, conveniently a gun user and a sword user, and for Fujiko to just be kidnapped bystander, but even that only goes so far and gets repetitive.
I realize this is often true, but usually at least one of them gets some love. I'm struggling to remember exactly now (I have a very bad memory for movies I've only seen once), but I want to say Fujiko has more screen time than Jigen. There's a lot of focus on the character Laetitia. Comparing to Cagliostro, at least we got a really good sense of the bond between Jigen and Lupin, even if Fujiko and Goemon just sort of drop in.
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Whelp, since I'm in the mood for Lupin, watched another one. Two in two nights!
This time it was Goodbye Partner.
Not bad, though nothing really stood out. It was, as you said, decent. The entire extended ending sequence with the super computer was a bit much.
I liked the setup hook of them accusing Zenigata of being Lupin's accomplice and wish they'd played that up more… but instead Zeni eventually just kind of goes along with it. Which he's certainly done before on many occassions but he really went along with it easily, and at length, this time around.
Not sure what to make of Jigen's relationship to that girl.
ANd I was weirded out the entire movie that the villain looked like internet reviewer Suede. Like, super weirded out, I could not get over it. Only so many character designs in the world I know, but...
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Fathom Events is going to put Lupin III: The First back in theaters for a couple days at the end of August.
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With a bit of editing goodbye partner could have been one of my all time favorites. Cut down on the whole piano skynet stuff and cut the runtime down by like 20 min and you've got a winner. It's the first one of the new movies where i felt they found a good grim to goofy ratio.
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But wolf, what would be Lupin without an absurd avant-grade antagonist like Chopin's piano Skynet?
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I own the entire first series of the manga… I kept waiting and waiting for it to evolve into the franchise I loved but it never quite got there. Soem neat stuff but it never quite worked for me. It was the animation team that ironed out the kinks and really made it sing.
Sometimes.
Everytime it gets mentioned how much backlog anyone has with this series I always have to reconcile how behind I'am. I still got some of the specials and movies to watch (don't intend to watch all of them like Secret Of Mamo). And Part V to watch.
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Wikipedia has a fairly complete listing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupin_the_Third
In particular the tv specials. I always had the problem with them that I started with bootleg TAPES (which tell you how long I've been on this trip) and they all had different titles at the time. I ended up buying a lot of the dvds only to discover I'd already seen a given movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lupin_III_television_specials
Thanks for that.
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But wolf, what would be Lupin without an absurd avant-grade antagonist like Chopin's piano Skynet?
It's like they have a company mandated checklist they have to go down for every movie. It is weird how in a franchise that would thrive on a more grounded mission impossible/leverage style model they keep dipping into these global treaure hunt and bizarro weapons plotlines.
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IS there a movie that involves a more grounded technological threat? The TV series have managed to do that at times.