@starlalilymoon:
I'm not talking about anything related to a mentor/role model comparison. I met by comparison as in I'm making analogies of other Strawhats to how it fits with Yamato, and you're doing the same thing. So, both our analogies can prove our own theories/speculation. You saying it's supposed to be quirk like Brook or Sanji, and I'm saying it's for character development.
The only time I said it doesn't make sense to compare to other strawhats was about the mentor parallel since Oden isn't Yamato's mentor the way Corazon was for Law. Its why I keep bringing up Wiper and Kalgara. If you're not making that comparison then what im saying doesnt pertain to you.
I meant after that. And yes I do agree that was hilarious with Momo's reaction! But I met after where Yamato explains herself to Momo about it.
It wouldn't make much sense if Yamato didn't explain why he said that.
Yes, but again if it was a quirk it would not be part of the introduction.
I disagree.
Zoro getting lost was not part of him meeting Luffy, for example.
That's cuz Zoro is unaware that he has a poor sense of direction. To this day he still thinks he can follow directions.
Some of the quirks need a bit more establishing than others.
Like Usopp's lies. Some characters have no idea he's lying. So the joke only benefits us readers who know he's lying. Yamato's whole thing requires ppl to know who Oden is and know he's not Oden. It works pretty well on Wano and with ppl who knew the guy.
It'll take on a whole other type of humor when he starts making the declarations to ppl who have no idea what he's talking about.
Its why I said before it'll probably be lessened to a degree and solely continue as a gag and the off declaration to boost his confidence.
Well, she did mention that she is Yamato several chapters ago, so I see that as character progression.
Its only progression if you actually think Yamato doesn't know he's Yamato.
Upon meeting Luffy he tells him his actual name and who he is.
That's why I find it silly that ppl take this so far as to say (not you other ppl) Yamato is inauthentic or dishonest or we don't know the real him or he's not embracing himself.
One of the things Yamato says to Luffy is that he is more Oden than him.
Every time he meets someone new and says he's Oden he goes on to say I am Yamato, Kaido's son.
If he really thought he was Oden he'd want to become shogun and take in Momo and Hiyori as his children. Also treat the scabbards like old friends.
You gotta recognize when Oda is playing this for jokes and when its something serious Yamato is using to do what he thinks is right.
I don't hate Oden. He grew on me, when we first met him in the manga he was ehh, but he improved as a character throughout his entire flashback.
You do know you're quoting me replying to someone else right?
That should be obvious by the quotes I'm replying to not being your posts.
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I also used to have a cute Yamato avatar which you probably remember me more by, possibly. I really do like Yamato, I probably should find more fanart of her. :ninja:
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@BobLoblaw:
It wouldn't just be my problem.
Seems like it.
Its a perceived problem to you.
It's not an actual problem with in the story or with the character. You take issue with it. That's why I said you're gonna have to figure out a way to deal with it if it continues.
Trapping a character in a role that will never see them grow or acknowledge their own thoughts and desires sounds like some form of Kanjuroish hell to me.
Sounds like Luffy to an extent.
Him just playing a role and never growing beyond it? Nah.
Why do you think wanting to be Oden means you can't grow?
Didn't Oden grow as a character?
Seems to me you're just making up rules for how you think Yamato goes about trying to be Oden and ignoring everything that is uniquely Yamato (or at least not Oden) since his introduction.
As far as Oden cosplay Yamato is not doing the best job possible; lacks the two sword style, didn't bang a bunch of Wano women at the age of 8 or 10 (given this started at 8), wasn't running around killing local monsters or beating up yakuza or other samurai. At best we got the being stuck on Wano and wanting to leave badly, then the journal provided the impetus for wanting to open Wano's borders.
What are some inauthentic quirks that the SHs have then?
It doesn't matter.
The whole point of a quirk is that it's part of someone's personality and authentic to who they are.
Last I checked Yamato is the only person trying to be like Oden.
Not even Momo is.
Not being who you are and trying to be someone else. Yup. Sounds like some dishonesty in there somewhere.
Yeah if you don't understand that Oden is something Yamato aspires to be.
OP fandom is all about what readers think based on what they want or read from characters. I imagine that's why you're also here voicing your thoughts and opinions.
Yeah but pretending like you know what Luffy would say or think or that what you think is the only way things can go is ridiculous.
I missed the part where I claimed to be God and demanded that everything happen just the way that I wanted. :|
Definitely not god. Way too stubborn for that. Most ppl are open to alternatives though.
So insightful. Lol
Like I said its your problem. Its up to you to deal with it after what you think will happen doesn't happen.
Not sure what all the "YOU" in caps are supposed to mean. If your point is to tell me that it's my opinion, then I kinda know…since I'm the one that said it.
Well you just said what are we left to think when its really what are you left to think.
You're pretending your issue with Yamato is an accepted overall issue Oda has presented in the story or even some massive issue the fandom has. It isn't and it's not.
So its really just what you're left to think.
And the Oden thing hasn't been played as a gag.
Yes it has. I'm not arguing an obvious fact lol
Tons of other characters have gotten traditional gags. Yamato isn't one of them.
Never said anything about traditional gags. You just made that up as the qualifier out of nowhere.
It is my take…since I'm the one that said it...
Exactly. Doesn't mean its true or close to correct.
It seems different to doom a character to always trying to be someone they aren't as a quirk, though.
I disagree.
They're not doomed to it when its something they want to be
It's like they can never grow beyond themselves
Growth can still be possible when aspiring to be like someone you hold in high regard.
If you can point me to a chapter that used it as a traditional gag, then please do. I must've missed it because it always comes off like he's super serious.
This traditional gag stuff you've made a stipulation is totally irrelevant. Not interested at all in what you think is a traditional gag. Don't care at all to talk about it. Feels like a waste of time.
I'd say reread from Yamato's introduction if you don't see where Oda is playing Yamato's I am Oden declarations as a joke in story to characters that knew him.