Its crazy because Okami was super praised and even won several game of the year awards but it was just… too niche. Maybe if it had looked realistic instead of like a Japanese painting it would have done better? But then it would have also aged super badly..
Eat Lead was niche and looked (semi realistic) and had a fair amount hype around it…..who else remembers that aside from me?
Sephiroth is a great choice for Smash since we need more playable villains :D
Part of why I want Ammy for Smash is I just know she'd be so good for it. Imagine swapping through her three weapons (mirror, beads, sword) and kicking ass with it.
I know that, and you know that, but to the average player it just looks weird. Tons of awards and praise didn't translate to sales.
Also, while the stylization means it hasn't aged like other PS2 era games, so it was still pretty solid on the PS3, it HAS aged. I started playing it again recently for the first time in a while (Ghost of Tsushima got me in the mood for it) and a lot of the textures, even for being in painted style, don't hold up great in HD or on a bigger screen. Some of them are really jaggy or faded, or look fuzzy like they're jpegs that got sized up and blurred… also a lot of times the brush stroke inlines ont eh background would get positively huge compared to the characters and would look weird. You can do the same effect but still have it look better on modern hardware. (Also more plants and particle effects and general filling out the landscape so its not all flat areas surrounded by mountains)
Most of the characters still look okay because they were textured with flat colors, but the backgrounds... not so good.
Playing Ghost of Tsushima I just kept thinking "man, imagine if Okami had this."
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I’d really like to see Dante from Devil May Cry join, that would be awesome
Part of why I want Ammy for Smash is I just know she'd be so good for it. Imagine swapping through her three weapons (mirror, beads, sword) and kicking ass with it.
For a moment I thought you meant Amy Rose from Sonic lol.
@Daz:
It's real neat! I've never liked the hyper-real iterations of the FFVII characters, so this has just enough cartoonyness for me
Exactly. I never liked the Advent Children look for the FF7 characters. I found their Kingdom Hearts stylisation much more appealing. The Smash models for Cloud and now Sephiroth hit that happy medium sweet spot for me.
Of course, the absolute best thing would be Lumpy LEGO Sephiroth
Geno is a Mii costume…
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I can understand diehards being dissapointed regarding Geno, but out of all characters his doll-like appearance is maybe the best match for a Mii fighter, and at least the most iconic music track for the game is included. Its not ideal, but better than nothing, no?
I'm seriously tempted to buy some costumes, only so I can have Aeris and Barret beat up the forces of evil…
@Daz:
I can understand diehards being dissapointed regarding Geno, but out of all characters his doll-like appearance is maybe the best match for a Mii fighter, and at least the most iconic music track for the game is included. Its not ideal, but better than nothing, no?
I'm seriously tempted to buy some costumes, only so I can have Aeris and Barret beat up the forces of evil…
I don't think the Forest Maze track is actually in Smash. It seems to only be for the trailer.
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I don't really get the whole Geno thing. He only was in one game ever, and that was a spin-off from like 1996.
Well, Sephiroth definitely isn't my style in terms of how he plays. A mid-range poker with slow attacks, delayed aerials and projectile spam. And yet another rubberbanding mechanic. Also wow that up special is annoying to play against.
I did however have a lot of fun with the Sephiroth Challenge. On Very Hard he can be tough to deal with if you don't have a way to kill him offstage. I beat him legit with a handful of characters but my record is a 13-second no-damage clear with Incineroar.
@Johnny:
I don't really get the whole Geno thing. He only was in one game ever, and that was a spin-off from like 1996.
I don't see how it being old or a spinoff matters. The Mario RPG series is fantastic and has tons of cool characters. That said I still don't get the Geno hype lol. Sounds cruel but I'm glad it's a costume so people can stop talking about it every time there's new character speculation.
I never understood why Mallow didn’t get the same amount of love as Geno
I loved both of them in that game
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The meltdown of a Sora Mii costume would be glorious.
People don't like him because he's a big goofy puffball.
Even though he's a more developed and interesting character.
9 times out of 10 I prefer goofballs to stoic bad asses, guess that's just me
although I do like Geno
I assume not putting him in though had more to do with them not being able to get the rights? Although maybe not, since I think Square Enix owns them and they also own all the final fantasy characters who are now in smash (I think?)
It's probably a question of both cost and expected profit from it. With all third party characters we can assume that the profit from having those characters will balance out the cost.
I bet Nintendo knows there is a cult desire for Geno but when having to spend licensing and negotiation costs with Squeenix it probably felt more valuable to do that work to get one of the most iconic villains in the industry instead, one that can even attract non-Smash players while also making several actual Smash players excited.
And on Square's side they're probably far happier with promoting a character that will bring more attention to their ongoing FF7 remake than a character that doesn't really benefit them otherwise.
On a simpler level, it's also possible the people making these decisions just outright don't like Geno that much compared to someone like Sephiroth. Like Terry's, this was a direct where you could see Sakurai was hyped to talk about it and show off everything.
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I feel like Pyra/Mythra sans Rex is like the best possible outcome here. I still would have preferred some other Blade/Driver combos, but I have no complaints, all things considered.
Yes! One of my most wanted is in. I loved XC2 and was sad that it only had a Mii costume.
My idea was a bit more complicated (Rex with 3 blades, the 3rd being quite a spoiler) but I'm more than satisfied by getting Pyra and Mythra duo character.
The only realistic (since a Golden Sun rep will never happen unfortunately) character I want is Dante. If he's in, the game is basically perfect for me.
As for the other DLC left, I don't really care but I'm expecting either the Monster Hunter or a Pokemon from the last Gen (I didn't play it so I can't say who has the most potential).
Every Swordfighter added in Smash drops the likelihood of Dante being in Smash by 20 percent.
Pyra/Mythra release later today, hype!
The tracklist is great!
Kazuya from Tekken is the new character.
Not the biggest Tekken fan (I only really played 3) but I like that choice. It seemed obvious from the start (especially with Namco being involved) but now all the biggest fight games are in that ultimate crossover.
Only 1 chance left for my most wanted (Dante). Crossing fingers. I want that Bayo vs Dante trailer.
To me this is one of the most boring outcomes possible, since:
1. Fighting-game input characters in smash are terribly unfun for me, since half the time the game interprets my normal moving as wanting to do a spinning kick of the side instead. I'll be surprised if Sakurai respects stick inputs for Ryu/Ken and Terry and not this one, so I'm expecting it
2. Combo-heavy DLC characters in smash just give me ptsd to how broken they left smash 4 after tossing in bayo. It works in a regular fighting game, in Smash it's way less fun since combos are character-specific traits more than someone designed for the whole cast to be able to do reliably.
3. I do not care at all for a Tekken stage or Tekken music. I played so much Tekken 3 in the day and cannot for the life of me remember songs outside of the random type of hype/techno song you hear when you walk into an arcade which is more beats than melody
4. I rarely play fighting games in order to play the main regular-looking dude character, so this is particularly boring that Smash keeps collecting regular-looking dudes from fighting games that have more flavor than that. It's like getting an MK character and adding Liu Kang instead of Scorpion.
I would very very much prefer goofy shit like Kuma, Yoshimitsu, King or several others from Tekken instead of main dude here. I also feel like that would have matched the Smash flavor a lot more. Likewise, I would have loved the likes of Nakoruru and Chun Li about a billion times more than Terry or Ryu. You know, the characters that you look at and go "oh cool, that's unique", and not just generic karate dudes
We were definitely overdue a Bandai Namco character and they deserve getting someone else in after having only Pac-Man, but maaaan did they go for the most boring option possible for me. Hopefully at least someone out there is happy.
I rather have Nightmare or Cervantes from SC, but you know, swords.
Also this music on Smash or gtfo.
I’d rather have Heihachi Mishima but whateves
I vote Rillaboom for the final fighter.
There are no deserts in the smash roster.
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I vote Rillaboom for the final fighter.
There are no deserts in the smash roster.
Yes! Give me my Grass Starter Pokemon!!!
But thete is already a gorilla in smash.
MONKE FIGHT!!!
I'm indifferent toward Tekken, but I appreciate another villain being added. Still holdimg out hope for Crash. But really secretly wish for Ratchet amd Clank.
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I think its great that Kazuya from Tekken is in Super Smash Bros Ultimate since He is a Fighting Character and a Namco Bandai Character :D
Well, RIP my Dante dream. Only a Mii costume this time.
I have no guess left of who the last character will be but it will not be a dream pick of mine since Dante was the only one left (and because Golden Sun is dead to Nintendo).
Still overall I'm satisfied with the FP2. I'll take whoever is left as a bonus.
I'm SUPER jazzed for the Shantae mii costume. It really looks like alot of effort was out into her and its really the best possible outcome if she couldn't make main roster. Comes woth a song too? BONUS!
Yeah those don't even look like mii fighters aside from the faces. That's way better than the horror Tails and Knuckles got.
My picks for final character are Dig Dug, Bomberman, and Rayman. I know Bomberman is an assist trophy so it won't be him, but those have sheer legacy and game count behind them.
I mean, Bomberman was introduced in 85 and has over 70 games. Rayman in 95 with 45 games. They both deserve a spot.
And Dig Dug had been around but only a handful of games. Still.
Also need more Tetris.
Bomberman already got a Deluxe Mii costume (can change colors with selector). Not lookin likely bruv.
I already said I knew Bomberman wouldn't be it because he was already a bonus feature.
Just talking about pure legacy and who deserves it. I don't actually give a single flip about Rayman or Dig Dug..
Dig Dug already peaked up at 2005 anyway.
The final character is Sora!
Pretty big finish for a pretty big game. The full trailer:
Ending smash bros with the orchestral rendition of Simple and Clean is an excellent choice chef's kiss
Both surprised and yet not. I seriously did write off Sora at first and can only imagine the legal headaches Nintendo had with Disney to even get him in the game (on the plus side all KH games on a Nintendo console finally). But hey kudos on managing it Sakurai. I wasn't one of the ones clamoring for him but I ain't disappointed either, he looks great and love his variations, that Timeless River one is especially a nice touch.
Sad we'll never get any more fighter reveals or content after this, it was a fun ride while it lasted. All there is now is to smash until it's time to hang up the Switch for the next Nintendo product. I know Sakurai said it's very unlikely this will ever be topped (Likely they'll just port it from here on out, maybe add some characters with newer hardware) with him no longer at the helm any more. But won't lie, I am curious to see how they'll try to push the series further. But till then, will enjoy the complete package now.
I'm glad it wasn't effin Masterchief.
I've wanted Sora since Brawl, so this is huge for me even though I don't play Smash. Just a great thing to see. Also great that all of the games are on Switch, even if it's over the Cloud.
there's something poetic about ending Smash Bros Ultimate, the biggest crossover ever, with a protag of the series that was build on crossovers itself.
Really happy. :)
Man, I wonder who were the two fighters from Pass 2 that were originally to be the only fighters remaining.
As a fan of Kingdom Hearts it's awesome that Sora is the Final Super Smash Bros Ultimate DLC Character :D
I didn't think it would be possible due to being co own by Disney
