Lime Green for Carrot's color?
Yamato's unsurprisingly matches the teal hair color potentially as well;
All the Straw Hats match their colors.
Smoker is grey / white too….:ninja:
Lime Green for Carrot's color?
Yamato's unsurprisingly matches the teal hair color potentially as well;
All the Straw Hats match their colors.
Smoker is grey / white too….:ninja:
Rating yamatos new trivia
I was hoping Yamato too be taller, to tall for the crew, like around 4 m or something, but turns out he is only 263 cm :sad: and that actually fits with the crew.
HOWEVER
Jinbe's new trivia confirms more of his Oni theme, which Yamato would overlap with, so… +1 - 1 = 0
I can’t make out what Crocodiles color is, Oda must have made it unclear for a reason :ninja:
HOWEVER
Jinbe's new trivia confirms more of his Oni theme, which Yamato would overlap with, so… +1 - 1 = 0
But then again, Jinbro had a ton of Japanese references, which made him overlap with Zoro and that was fixed with, yeah that's totally India guys, put attention!
Yamato has a TON more of Japanese stuff design wise, but I hardly think that would stop Oda from 'yeah that'd be Korea'
Btw, has Carrot ever been subject to any SBS question in the 19 volumes we had since her introduction?
Btw, has Carrot ever been subject to any SBS question in the 19 volumes we had since her introduction?
Looks like just one in Volume 87, but not really the subject. A fan lamented that no One Piece character shared their birthday, and asked Oda to share it with Carrot. Oda said "It's fine. What a cute problem."
But then again, Jinbro had a ton of Japanese references, which made him overlap with Zoro and that was fixed with, yeah that's totally India guys, put attention!
Yamato has a TON more of Japanese stuff design wise, but I hardly think that would stop Oda from 'yeah that'd be Korea'
Btw, has Carrot ever been subject to any SBS question in the 19 volumes we had since her introduction?
Japan themed stuff is too general, the manga is from japan and written from a japanese perspective, all of the characters got japanese themed trademarks in them. Yamato basically look like the average oni-girl just like carrot looks like the average rabbit-girl, just google oni girl and you will see.
in terms of oni themed design id think Jinbe's is more sophisticated, hence why some people even completely missed that he even is oni themed.
just google oni girl and you will see.
Woww, that's a lot of sexy stuff, someone's been using incognito too much uh.
Rating yamatos new trivia
I was hoping Yamato too be taller, to tall for the crew, like around 4 m or something, but turns out he is only 263 cm :sad: and that actually fits with the crew.
HOWEVER
Jinbe's new trivia confirms more of his Oni theme, which Yamato would overlap with, so… +1 - 1 = 0
As tall as Arlong and almost as tall as Brook and Kin’emon too.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
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Lime Green for Carrot's color?
Yamato's unsurprisingly matches the teal hair color potentially as well;
All the Straw Hats match their colors.
Smoker is grey / white too….:ninja:
I theorized Yamato could ger Turquoise, because yeah, Blue and Green, teal does the trick I guess.
I do consider both Teal/Turquoise and Lime Green on the same level of filling the gap colorwise for the SH crew tho.
Woww, that's a lot of sexy stuff, someone's been using incognito too much uh.
obviously not me, since I just told you outright, bad joke.
That info about Jinbe is real interesting to say the least.
If Yamato joins, I could see Oda going for Mongolia for nationality
What nationality would Carrot be?
My initial thought for Carrot was German.
That info about Jinbe is real interesting to say the least.
If Yamato joins, I could see Oda going for Mongolia for nationality
Didn't think of Mongolia tbh, it would make certain sense.
Someone said Sout Korea would fit him, cause the national futbol team has a white tiger as their symbol.
And that would be extra fitting if Yamato does end up with the Byakko fruit.
And Oda likes futbol, a lot.
Didn't think of Mongolia tbh, it would make certain sense.
Someone said Sout Korea would fit him, cause the national futbol team has a white tiger as their symbol.
And that would be extra fitting if Yamato does end up with the Byakko fruit.
And Oda likes futbol, a lot.
I can see why it could be South Korea with everything you mentioned. I just picked Mongolia bc of Kaido being like Genghis Khan lol
What nationality would Carrot be?
Possibly Chinese, going along with how China apparently raises the most rabbits and carrots. Am also inclined to say Australian for some reason.
@Zik:
The specificity of him being a 100 year old cat monster whose tail splits in two, the thin connection of the ship guard position, connecting it to the Nyan brothers, and Pedro being the captain of the guardians. Also Pedro did not guard the Sunny and he didn't sacrifice himself for the ship. He sacrificed himself to allow the strawhats and Carrot to escape Big Mom's territory cuz he believed that crew would bring about the "dawn" based off of what Roger told him. What he did was akin to what Bon Clay has done for the strawhats and Luffy more than once. He's never displayed being the ship guard. Lookout sure and yeah you could call him the the ship's cat.
The main thing I found interesting was the cat angle (so not excluding other cat characters or cat themed ones) and Oda's previous want to use the cat zoan devil fruit but then changing his mind and so far hasn't officially introduced it in the story.
An 18 year gap is substantial enough to pause a connection but the fact that Usopp was the one to bring it up gives it credence. Pedro, Pekoms, Faust, and Bepo are the last known Minks to not show their Sulong transformation. Bepo is not a Cat Mink and Pedro probably is the oldest. Hasn't been established that some Minks are inspired by yokai? Nekomamushi would be the first choice of that type of transformation. But alas he did not have two tails. Second choice, IMO, is Pedro. Pedro so happens to have many tail abilities. Which would be a unique attribute for the Strawhat crew. I don't recall any person or animal displaying tail abilities. And come on, Pedro hovered like Miles "Tails" Prower, the two-tailed fox from Sonic the Hedgehog. Potential meta-clue.
Pedro did protect the Sunny. Whatever reason behind his actions does not change that it benefitted the Sunny. Besides, a Ship Guard is not limited to only protecting the ship.
First, think of a Ship Guard as an umbrella term whose responsibilities are to protect the ship and everything on the ship which includes the crew. A Lookout protects the ship and crew by noticing dangers beforehand giving the Navigator and Helmsman adequate time to adjust and maneuver. A Ship's Cat protects the ship and crew by hunting vermin from destroying the wood, ropes, food, and supplies. Vermin and enemies are interchangeable. So both a Ship's Cat and Lookout fall under the umbrella term.
Second, Pedro being the Captain of the Guardians establishes him as a Guard who happens to be on a ship. Pedro is literally a Ship Guard whenever he is on a ship. It's an on the nose fact.
Third, the Meowban Brothers show a precedence in cat-themed Ship Guards. The one and only time Ship Guards are in an introbox. Usopp states that he thought they were a secret weapon which may allude to the Strawhats getting a secret weapon, if they don't have it already.
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Pedro would be the ideal Ship Guard which is an official position and fits the the theme each Strawhat being ideal for their position.
Side note: A concept of Pedro and Carrot was potentially shown on chapter 175, back on Alabasta. Big coincidence and/or lots of planning.
Likely because it clashed with the idea of the "Gorgon curse". The Kuja were not aware of the existence of Devil Fruits.
So only merit relating to Ship's Cat is Oda had an idea for a Black Cat Zoan. However, this idea clashed with Hancock's story about her abilities. I can see that. Only the Boa sisters were shown having Devil Fruit powers after all.
Possibly Chinese, going along with how China apparently raises the most rabbits and carrots. Am also inclined to say Australian for some reason.
Australian for Carrot would be awful for obvious reasons.
Possibly Chinese, going along with how China apparently raises the most rabbits and carrots. Am also inclined to say Australian for some reason.
Doesn't Australians REALLY hate rabbits? And cane toads too I guess. They're invasive species.
Yamato as a Mongolian makes way too much sense considering Kaidu aka Kaido's theme overall, although for stereotype I always imagine horse archers lol.
An 18 year gap is substantial enough to pause a connection but the fact that Usopp was the one to bring it up gives it credence.
All that means is at some point a cat monster with two tails may show up in the story.
Pedro, Pekoms, Faust, and Bepo are the last known Minks to not show their Sulong transformation. Bepo is not a Cat Mink and Pedro probably is the oldest. Hasn't been established that some Minks are inspired by yokai? Nekomamushi would be the first choice of that type of transformation. But alas he did not have two tails. Second choice, IMO, is Pedro. Pedro so happens to have many tail abilities. Which would be a unique attribute for the Strawhat crew. I don't recall any person or animal displaying tail abilities. And come on, Pedro hovered like Miles "Tails" Prower, the two-tailed fox from Sonic the Hedgehog. Potential meta-clue.
You're forgetting that this two tailed cat monster doesn't have to be a mink, sulong form or not. It can be a cat zoan user or a mythical zoan based on some mythical cat like creature.
And if it is a mink nothing is stopping Oda from introducing a cat mink later in the story.
Pedro did protect the Sunny.
Not in the role as the ship's guard though.
If you're taking his sacrifice as ship guarding then Bon Clay acted as the ship guard, Usopp, Franky, Zoro, Sanji, Chopper, Luffy, and a bunch of other characters have guarded the ship.
First, think of a Ship Guard as an umbrella term whose responsibilities are to protect the ship and everything on the ship which includes the crew.
All of the strawhats already do this and like I said before so have some of their allies at one point.
Collapsing more than one ship role together doesn't make any one of them more important. Throughout the story members have performed other roles. That didn't make Usopp a shipwright or Chopper a helmsman.
Third, the Meowban Brothers show a precedence in cat-themed Ship Guards. The one and only time Ship Guards are in an introbox. Usopp states that he thought they were a secret weapon which may allude to the Strawhats getting a secret weapon, if they don't have it already.
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Again, I don't think this matters. Like I said, just seems like a weak connection when you try to make this a case for Pedro joining.
He isn't a 100 and he's really not a ship guard.
Pedro would be the ideal Ship Guard which is an official position and fits the the theme each Strawhat being ideal for their position.
Given how willing he was to end his life I don't think he's ideal at all.
Side note: A concept of Pedro and Carrot was potentially shown on chapter 175, back on Alabasta. Big coincidence and/or lots of planning.
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That's not a concept. That's literally a leopard with a rabbit mask/helmet on.
At best, its a meta hint to the characters Pedro and Carrot showing up at some point but it also could be something else like a leopard mink with a rabbit devil fruit.
Australian for Carrot would be awful for obvious reasons.
Probably would be something Oda would consider to be a funny thing to do because of that. lol
This Jump cover being the inner title page probably surprises no one.
Might not surprise but it'll probably ruffle the feathers of some in here.
I mean if not the next nakama then what? New sworn brother?
Usually, when Oda only draws two characters in the same visual, he’s either with a crew mate or a villain, and I don’t think Yamato is shaping up to be a villain.
It seems Oda is putting a lot more thought into Yamato's character than a mere arc specific side character. Even the extentactual her abilities have been sparsely expanded upon apart from the swing of her club. Oddly similar to how back in Impel Down we saw moderate Fishman Karate moves from Jinbe until the prisoners backs were against the wall and Jinbe reached the Ocean.
Luffy is gonna flip at that White Tiger transformation.
Luffy is gonna flip at that White Tiger transformation.
Luffy's already seen Chopper and Lucchi, and all the minks. He JUST faced transforming Kaidou. And probably Marco doing the phoenix thing during the war but that was chaotic so who knows. And likely some other zoans I'm forgetting. Did he ever see Dalton change?
An animal transformation isn't going to wow him.
Unless there's something really special to it.
I'm not discounting it, but I don't really think it's particularly evident of anything in isolation. That was an existing illustration from the cover of Jump, which Oda has occasionally used inside volumes. It's not like there's an existing trend of future crewmates being illustrated on the cover of Jump alongside Luffy prior to joining. In fact, I can't recall Oda ever signaling a future Straw Hat using the cover of WSJ. Moreover, there are more than a few instances of prominent non-Straw Hats occupying space on he cover of the magazine and on inside volume illustrations. Clearly none of this hurts Yamato, but it simply says 'important character.' I'm just not sure what that particular illustration is being brought up as having only one possible interpretation. It's special, but not unique and doesn't fit to some established pattern for predicting future Straw Hats. Unless we're retroactively going to look back at all he instances where Law was featured just as prominently and say he must too be Straw Hat material.
What I mean to say here is, of course meta narrative stuff like this can help a case or support an argument in favor of a character, but alone, it's not particularly significant.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
but alone, it's not particularly significant.
Sure, but it's not exactly alone.
Yamato also got heavy focus in chapter 1000, is on the volume 100 cover, etc. etc.
Luffy's already seen Chopper and Lucchi, and all the minks. He JUST faced transforming Kaidou. And probably Marco doing the phoenix thing during the war but that was chaotic so who knows. And likely some other zoans I'm forgetting. Did he ever see Dalton change?
An animal transformation isn't going to wow him.
Unless there's something really special to it.
Mythical zoan counts as really special. Especially w/e the added mythical power may be.
Definitely expect Luffy's reaction (and later Chopper and Usopp) to be the starry eyed gawking in amazement same with Franky's cyborgism, the Germa superhero suits, Sogeking as a hero, and ninjas.
I'm sure if given time Luffy would do the same with Marco and give him some nickname. I dont think he's ever had the time to really notice him.
Sure, but it's not exactly alone.
Yamato also got heavy focus in chapter 1000, is on the volume 100 cover, etc. etc.
Sure, but I'm still of the mindset those factors merely signify Yamato is an important character with an important role in the story. Importance doesn't necessarily equate to joining the crew. Not to say Yamato can't, but there are some key things still missing in my opinion.
For me, 1014 only further underscored the fact that Momo is absolutely critical to the endgame of the entire series and the way things are headed, he may very well need someone by his side.
From that standpoint, given how important Wano is to the central narrative arc, I think it's perfectly natural a prominent ally from this story arc has a prominent role to play in the final saga of the series whether or not they're part of the crew. Similarly, for all intents and purposes, Law, Kinemon, and Momo have been part of the main cast now for almost half the series without any indication they'll join the Straw Hats.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Sure, but I'm still of the mindset those factors merely signify Yamato is an important character with an important role in the story. Importance doesn't necessarily equate to joining the crew. Not to say Yamato can't, but there are some key things still missing in my opinion.
For me, 1014 only further underscored the fact that Momo is absolutely critical to the endgame of the entire series and the way things are headed, he may very well need someone by his side.
From that standpoint, given how important Wano is to the central narrative arc, I think it's perfectly natural a prominent ally from this story arc has a prominent role to play in the final saga of the series whether or not they're part of the crew. Similarly, for all intents and purposes, Law, Kinemon, and Momo have been part of the main cast now for almost half the series without any indication they'll join the Straw Hats.
The thing is, there's been nothing that's led us to believe so far that Yamato will stay on Wano when his desires are to be free and have adventures. Oda was the one who wrote Yamato to have those motivations instead of making him some noble character that wants to right his father's wrongs by staying on Wano to help clean his mess.
@Zik:
Might not surprise but it'll probably ruffle the feathers of some in here.
I mean if not the next nakama then what? New sworn brother?
That's the thing with Yamato, he doesn't lose in any outcome.
Be it a Strawhat, an ally of the level of Law, a sworn brother, its too important of a character and hardly will remain as a one-arc only.
Not to mention it makes sense for Yamato to visit Ace's grave along with Luffy.
And theorically would make sense to meet with Vegapunk in his flying lab island, at Elbaf cause of his possible ancestral giant dna, and at Mariejoa cause Yamato would identify with the slaves there, Yamato's been a slave all along.
As for all other candidates? Can perfectly be left behind.
The thing is, there's been nothing that's led us to believe so far that Yamato will stay on Wano when his desires are to be free and have adventures. Oda was the one who wrote Yamato to have those motivations instead of making him some noble character that wants to right his father's wrongs by staying on Wano to help clean his mess.
I'm pretty sure the upcoming flashback will shut down all this Yamato as retainer/ambassador/stays behind talk.
@Zik:
I'm pretty sure the upcoming flashback will shut down all this Yamato as retainer/ambassador/stays behind talk.
I'd love to have your optimism
The thing is, there's been nothing that's led us to believe so far that Yamato will stay on Wano when his desires are to be free and have adventures. Oda was the one who wrote Yamato to have those motivations instead of making him some noble character that wants to right his father's wrongs by staying on Wano to help clean his mess.
There's also nothing right now that says Yamato has a dream which necessitates specifically sailing with the Straw Hats. There also isn't anything keeping Law on Wano after this arc ends, yet joining the Straw Hats is not the only way he can leave.
But to your point, I would think Yamato's commitment to honoring Oden's legacy if personal desire to sail aimlessly is put above the actual needs of Wano. That's a decision the real Oden would never make. That being said, I do think once the curtains close on the kabuki play that is Wano, Yamato can take off the Oden costume. But then the real question is what Yamato actually wants if not to be Oden? 'Being free' is not a dream or a reason to join the Straw Hats because it's not specific enough. It could be accomplished by going with Law or Kid just as easily. In fact, in 1014, Yamato claims to already be free / Oden. Dream accomplished.
I'm not closed off to Yamato joining, but I think there needs to be something which more directly points to actually joining the crew. Most notably, a dream.
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I'm just primarily confused at why Yamato's inclusion on the title page is being touted as some sort of smoking gun and the responses in this thread indicate the debate / discussion should now be over. There are plenty of similar illustrations for non-Straw Hats. It's not a great litmus test.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
That's a decision the real Oden would never make.
Oden did that twice.
And the first time he did it to sail aimlessly.
The second time, he left Wano while a dictatorship was taking over his country and loved ones, because Laugh Tale was his priority.
Now, would Yamato leave a recently saved from tirany country to sail directly into Laugh Tale? Is that an Oden thing to do? Absolutely!
And about a specific dream, yes I do believe he needs one, there's a very important flashback upcoming, that could get covered up.
Usopp's dream to become a brave warrior of the seas isn't particularly specific, Jimbei's was never explicitly mentioned and just implied to be basically an amalgamation of what Fisher Tiger and Otohime tried to achieve
As for all other candidates? Can perfectly be left behind.
You could apply that to any of the other candidates with the same level of speculation. I don't think there's anything specific to Yamato that doesn't also apply to other characters filling their personal character arcs and having some relation to the upcoming ones. Tama would equally want to visit Ace's grave. Carrot could be opposed to the experimental weapons at Vegapunk's disposal, after witnessing the super weapons used on Zou.
I'd regard Yamato as the current highest possibility of a new Nakama, but even then I don't think I'd go as far as saying 'other candidates can perfectly be left behind'
@Zik:
I'm pretty sure the upcoming flashback will shut down all this Yamato as retainer/ambassador/stays behind talk.
As well as how Momo will have a lot of other people like the remaining scabbards to help him out where he really needs it.
Oden did that twice.
And the first time he did it to sail aimlessly.
The second time, he left Wano while a dictatorship was taking over his country and loved ones, because Laugh Tale was his priority.
Now, would Yamato leave a recently saved from tirany country to sail directly into Laugh Tale? Is that an Oden thing to do? Absolutely!
And about a specific dream, yes I do believe he needs one, there's a very important flashback upcoming, that could get covered up.
Oden left the first time with Whitebeard for the simple fun of adventure. Over the course of his voyage, Oden matured and then everything changed when he met Roger. Oden had a mission, to guide Roger to Laugh Tale. It went beyond personal desire. He sensed it was his destiny. When he returned and saw what was happening on Wano, he wanted to stay. Toki pushed him to leave. Like Oden, she knew there was global significance to Roger's mission and that what guiding Roger was even more important. Oden said if he looked back again, he couldn't do leave. Oden only left the second time because he had a greater calling.
Yamato read the travel log recorded by a mature Oden, aware of the importance of both One Piece and Wano in liberating the world. One who understood the importance of Roger's mission.
The only way Yamato would abandon Wano's needs is if there is a greater calling, if Oden's journal has been a sufficient influence. So that's why I say a dream is more than a trivial concern for Yamato. It needs to be significant enough that Yamato would set aside any sense of obligation or responsibility to he people and place Oden cared so much to protect.
I'm not saying it's impossible. A flashback could add a dream for Yamato. Right now though, it's a very big missing piece.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Oden left the first time with Whitebeard for the simple fun of adventure. Over the course of his voyage, Oden matured and then everything changed when he met Roger. Oden had a mission, to guide Roger to Laugh Tale. It went beyond personal desire. He sensed it was his destiny. When he returned and saw what was happening on Wano, he wanted to stay. Toki pushed him to leave. Like Oden, she knew there was global significance to Roger's mission and that what guiding Roger was even more important. Oden said if he looked back again, he couldn't do leave. Oden only left the second time because he had a greater calling.
Yamato read the travel log recorded by a mature Oden, aware of the importance of both One Piece and Wano in liberating the world. One who understood the importance of Roger's mission.
The only way Yamato would abandon Wano's needs is if there is a greater calling, if Oden's journal has been a sufficient influence. So that's why I say a dream is more than a trivial concern for Yamato. It needs to be significant enough that Yamato would set aside any sense of obligation or responsibility to he people and place Oden cared so much to protect.
I'm not saying it's impossible. A flashback could add a dream for Yamato. Right now though, it's a very big missing piece.
It would appear that your expectations for a dream are quite flexible, since that's never been a problem for Carrot in over 5 years.
And that bolded part can easily be applied to Yamato, even at this point, he seems to be aware that destiny requires him to support them into The Beast Pirates defeat and the Opening of Wano.
Also, is not likely that the contents of Laugh Tale itself were written down there, that would have make the journal a priority in Oden's flashback, and it never really was, Oden only smuggled his swords and never paid attention to the journal when all faith was lost, the location of Laugh Tale is also unlikely since that would render the Red Poneglyphs entirely useless.
And Yamato, would certainly want to know what's in Laugh Tale.
One thing I do think needs to be asked here that I have brought up before but just asking again for the hell of it.
From the narrative, design effort and meta stuff such as covers, being focused on in important numbered chapters and the anime opening making a big deal about him ect ect. Yamato is being placed along side Ace of all characters as equally important. We have characters like Shanks and Sabo that fit in these situations as well though clearly they are not joining. Ace can't join since corpses make bad crewmates and I don't think Luffy would actually want his brother under him in my view.
So what I am asking here is, if they don't join as say, the special super awesome final crew member to cap the crew off, what role will Yamato have in this story?
If he seeks out to the ocean but not with the crew, what is the end goal of the character then? To be like the Grand Fleet and show up at the end to help Luffy and co? If that's the case why all the focus as an Ace level important character? Or will they sail off to get a spin off? That's an option but unlikely giving Oda's writing here.
Now going with the crew and not joining to me seems kind of….. silly? Law is a captain in his own right that Oda has found a plot and character driven reason to keep around still or to go off and do his own thing until end game. But Yamato? If they will stick to the crew for a few more arcs or until end game, why not just join then?
If he stays on the Wano, why not just make them feel more like a character of the arc then? Momo more than likely will have some end game importance but like, the samurai are the types of characters you expect to guard him and carry him to the end game. That's their focus and reason besides the current arc demands. Same deal why Pell is there for Vivi or Shirahoshi's brothers for her. With high respect to them, none of those characters are Ace level important either. This I have made clear in the past would be a huge waste of everything Yamato has been set up for.
Like I can think Oda could use Yamato in many ways we can't think up right now or a way that fans do call right. But I won't lie, it's harder for me to come up with what their role will be if not as a crew member. Why the need to push him as important as Ace if any of the outlines above happen? Seems weak and needless. Over the years people have to add extra importance or highlight very small details as big narrative points of characters who have no chance of joining such as Perona, Tama and Carrot. But when it comes to Yamato, it seems like you have to dismiss everything he has going for him to say why he won't join.
Another character that fits a level of special narrative role outside the crew but not really is Vivi. Who started as a mook, went on to become the center focused character of the saga she shows up in but then starts to also feel like a part of the crew to the point she is clearly the unofficial member of the crew. However she overlaps with all the other royals who will show up for end game. She will feel special there in the end or hell she can join again and snap fit like a glove in the crew if Oda decides. I don't think that's where she is going, just that I'm bringing her up to say I don't see Yamato having Vivi's special role in the story either.
Long question cut short, why is Yamato so damn special? New crew mate? Or new Guan Yu to Luffy and Sabo's peach garden brothers??? Though they should probably meet Sabo soon too if that's somehow going to be the case. Maybe a tag along for a Sabo rescue arc like right after Wano then?
It would appear that your expectations for a dream are quite flexible, since that's never been a problem for Carrot in over 5 years.
And that bolded part can easily be applied to Yamato, even at this point, he seems to be aware that destiny requires him to support them into The Beast Pirates defeat and the Opening of Wano.
Also, is not likely that the contents of Laugh Tale itself were written down there, that would have make the journal a priority in Oden's flashback, and it never really was, Oden only smuggled his swords and never paid attention to the journal when all faith was lost, the location of Laugh Tale is also unlikely since that would render the Red Poneglyphs entirely useless.
And Yamato, would certainly want to know what's in Laugh Tale.
I have said exactly what I believe Carrot's dream will be. I believe Pedro's final words will serve as her motivating desire to 'keep moving forward' and help reach the New Dawn, a task for which the Straw Hat Pirates are uniquely qualified. I have never been ambiguous about what I believe Carrot's dream or her reasoning for sailing with the Straw Hats could be.
I'd love to have your optimism
Well I mean, for the rational and reasonable it should but you're right in here I'd probably still see talk of it.no matter what.
It's just when I see some of this stuff I think imagine if there was this much pessimism and reluctance about Franky joining. A constant push for Paulie or weirder choices like Kokoro and Chimney.
@Zik:
Well I mean, for the rational and reasonable it should but you're right in here I'd probably still see talk of it.no matter what.
It's just when I see some of this stuff I think imagine if there was this much pessimism and reluctance about Franky joining. A constant push for Paulie or weirder choices like Kokoro and Chimney.
That right there is the problem lol. I wouldn’t call people who have been saying “Carrot is totally gonna have an epiphany and realize the importance of the Straw Hats soon” ever since Pedro died and who constantly move goal posts for that event neither rational nor reasonable. The only thing she was shown to think about were three words: Keep moving forward. Which she remembered only after blindly chasing Perospero to avenge Pedro, which is the complete opposite of what he said.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
There's also nothing right now that says Yamato has a dream which necessitates specifically sailing with the Straw Hats.
Most of the strawhats don't have dreams that necessitate they sail with Luffy. We just assume a few dreams like Sanji's will fold in to finding One Piece.
For Jimbe's dream he shouldnt even be a pirate if you're putting Otohime's goal on him. He'd be better off being a diplomat.
Zoro could be any other profession with his goal to be the world's greatest swordsman.
Brave warrior of the sea is generic and who is to say when it's accomplished? Usopp could be on any other crew that makes it to the grandline.
Chopper should just be a doctor instead of one on a pirate ship.
Brook should ditch the strawhats and simply sail back to reverse mountain.
Nami could've allied with any pirate crew or marine unit like she was doing on east blue and if she gets to Sabaody at the right time Rayleigh would've freely given her the information. After she needs to go to the other 3 blues.
All Blue could be anywhere in the new world or simply at the red line. Its a mystery. I assume Sanji is sailing in hopes that after they find One Piece if the All Blue isn't around there they start aiming for his dream next.
Franky like Tom just wanted to build the ship and send the strawhats on their way. Circumstances prevented that but that's like the first crew mate you can say needs to be on the crew.
Robin and Luffy need each other given revelations about the poneglyphs so thats another but really Luffy needs Robin more than she needs him. So if anything Luffy should be joining the Demon Child pirates or w/e shady assassination guild she would form.
There also isn't anything keeping Law on Wano after this arc ends, yet joining the Straw Hats is not the only way he can leave.
But Law is already a captain of a pirate crew with his own ship. Also he wasn't recently freed from chains by Luffy and asked to sail with him after the raid was over.
But to your point, I would think Yamato's commitment to honoring Oden's legacy if personal desire to sail aimlessly is put above the actual needs of Wano. That's a decision the real Oden would never make.
But the real Oden did do that.
Also Yamato is not a Kozuki or the shogun so he doesn't have any obligation to the country after he helped free it from Kaido's reign.
If you're saying he should stay behind on Wano to rebuild everything and just in case something else happens then you can make that argument for the strawhats.
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That right there is the problem lol. I wouldn’t call people who have been saying “Carrot is totally gonna have an epiphany and realize the importance of the Straw Hats soon” ever since Pedro died and who constantly move goal posts for that event neither rational nor reasonable. The only thing she was shown to think about were three words: Keep moving forward. Which she remembered only after blindly chasing Perospero to avenge Pedro, which is the complete opposite of what he said.
Well yeah, I think for them they'll have to give it up by the end of Wano cuz I think Oda will definitively have the crew move on from most of the ppl that have been allies and tagging along for so long after the big party.
As long as Carrot's story isn't done, we're not losing hope that we saw something there.
As long as Carrot's story isn't done, we're not losing hope that we saw something there.
I absolutely love youf ride or die attitude here.
Keep in mind that Carrot has only appeared in one chapter of the last 20 (1006 to be exact).
She has been as prominent as Hawkins.
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I'm just primarily confused at why Yamato's inclusion on the title page is being touted as some sort of smoking gun and the responses in this thread indicate the debate / discussion should now be over. There are plenty of similar illustrations for non-Straw Hats. It's not a great litmus test.
It's real funny; when Tama appeared with the crews on volume cover, or now when Yamato appears in the commemorative volume with the crews on cover, ppl be like… nah, it can't be a clue/prove that they will join the crew! Nope it's just a cover illustration, nothing important at all, carry on!
Then they proceed to discuss any miniscule "clues" about Carrot (and Pedro and someone else) in past volumes, sketches, etc.
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