Shit's gonna be wild.
Berserk
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Shit's gonna be wild.
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Miura is going towards 60, i wonder how long he plans to draw
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He will never produce another long manga anyway. I doubt he enjoys drawing Berserk any more, just doing it for compulsion and money.
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He will never produce another long manga anyway. I doubt he enjoys drawing Berserk any more, just doing it for compulsion and money.
Given how it's still so beautifully and intricately drawn, I'd say he still achieves some satisfaction out of it. You don't draw that hard unless you're proud of it.
Oda has also said he won't do another long series after OP, because he's putting his all into OP right now.
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Miura is going towards 60, i wonder how long he plans to draw
He's said in a recent interview that he's been training his assistants and is happy with their solo work now, and might be giving more of the duties to them.
Muira isn't cranking out weekly chapters so he's not doing the same stress as other manga artists… but he is still working constantly. Every page pretty much is a 12-20 hour page and it shows, but he can just work on it at his pace. With that kind of freedom, and assistants, he could potentially keep going well into his 80's.
That said, magic elf island is going to provide timeskip opportunities, so when they step off the island finally they're probably ready to walk right into new demon hellscape endgame.
Berserk is a lot harder to gauge "how much remains" compared to One Piece... but if you assume Guts ISN'T going to be slowly taking out the godhand one by one, that Griffith is his only responsibility (Or that he's going to find the source and fight that, or even team up with Griffith instead of killing him) it could all get wrapped up relatively quick, especially with Skull Knight's help and with all the setup and character development and place setting already done..
I don't think it's ending anytime soon, but I could see a reasonable conclusion reaches in another 40 or 50 chapters over the next five years. The entire Golden Age arc was about 80 chapters, including the 10 chapter Wyld segment that gets dropped from every adaptation, and the entirety of Nausicaa is 59 chapters... so it's plenty of time to accomplish a lot.
He will never produce another long manga anyway. I doubt he enjoys drawing Berserk any more, just doing it for compulsion and money.
Naw. If he just wanted to be done with it, or was only cashing in, he'd half ass the art and start cranking out bi-weekly chapters, and he wouldn't spend chapters where he's clearly taking his time to show off. . Like what Naruto did after its timeskip when the quality dropped tremendously. Or to a lesser degree, Vagabond and the art style shift it had late in it's run. Still good art but not… as good.
He still has pride in his work.
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How long are Nausicaa's chapters though? Because Berserk's are like 20 pages or so per chapter. And I've seen people complain about Berserk's art since Miura went to drawing digitally but I think it still looks really good. The issue with trying to think of how the series might progress and end is just how powerful the god hand and Griffith seem to be. Like how is Guts supposed to even get on a level playing field to fight them. Even if he just goes after Griffith you have this issue too. Griffith was able to be slapped but if he was actually fighting I doubt it would be that easy. And that's assuming Griffith even fights alone and doesn't sick a demon hoard on Guts.
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How long are Nausicaa's chapters though?
The whole thing is about 1100 pages, so… 18 page chapters.
The issue with trying to think of how the series might progress and end is just how powerful the god hand and Griffith seem to be. Like how is Guts supposed to even get on a level playing field to fight them.
If only he had a magic suit of armor that let him go beyond human limits. And if he had a sword infused with thousands of dead demons that could now harm even gods. It would also help if he has a mentor that had spent hundreds of years researching the god hand and their weaknesses, and a blacksmith that could bring out the best qualities of that armor and sword.
If only Guts had those things he might stand a chance.
But then, he'd probably also need a bunch of witches and an army of rebels that spent a timeskip training with demons to help.
It would also be good if someone, perhaps a knight in skull armor, could take the steps to merge the regular world with the demon world so that the gods all had their mortal forms in the same plane of existence as the actual world. That would certainly help.
And it'd be super convenient if we happened to know the god hand actually had a singular entity at the core of them. But such a reveal would probably be left out of the trades for spoiling too much of the endgame.
But all those things would probably take hundreds of chapters and like 20 years to set up.
Even if he just goes after Griffith you have this issue too. Griffith was able to be slapped but if he was actually fighting I doubt it would be that easy. And that's assuming Griffith even fights alone and doesn't sick a demon hoard on Guts.
Guts cleaves through demons in one shot now, especially when the berserker armor is going full tilt. Hordes of fodder demons aren't a big issue for him anymore. Only the big named ones like Zodd are a real problem.
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Um are you okay Robby?
I'm not talking a dragonball style "Okay Vegeta, all is forgiven let's put aside our personal fight and be best buddies now so we can fight Cell " situation.
More akin to a Star Wars. "Luke maims Vader while Palpetine watches, and evil is going to win, and at the last second Vader turns on the emporer and does one good thing before dying" scenario.
Or a LotR style "The ultimate evil is about to be beaten, but then shenanigans and Frodo is corrupted and all is lost. But then the other antagonist Gollum shows up and for reasons of his own fights with Frodo. Gollum dies but as a result of Gollum's actions the bigger bad is defeated."
Or something akin to how Lone Wolf and Cub ended. Big fight that we all want, but the actual ending…
Or a Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver setup. That's less widely known so I won't just throw out spoilers, but the death vendetta in that goes to really interesting places.
We've spent literal decades on this revenge tale, and with the story spending a heavy amount of time focusing on Griffith, even after the Eclipse made him unforgivable. For all that he's evil, for all that the story is largely a black and white "demons bad" narrative, the story does have the grey area of the fact that Guts... does go around slaughtering people by the hundreds and "whatever side of the war you're on is the right one" and some nuance to it. Griffith is evil, unforgivable, needs to pay for what he's done... but at the same time the blood has already been shed and he wants to build a paradise kingdom and has a noble dream?
And also you wonder if, Griffith hadn't been flayed and left a helpless near corpse, would he still have taken the deal? Probably but is it a certainty? The man that contemplates and thinks on the helpless child that died in his wars, that sees teh mountain of bodies needed to achieve his dream and works towards it anyway?
He's evil. Unforgivable. Needs to pay. But at the very end is it going to be that simple?
I don't think the final final bit is going to be as straightforward as just "Guts kills Griffith". Not when there's other god hands, and an ultimate evil behind them and JUST revenge isn't going to fix anything.
Or maybe Griffith is just bringing all those people together so he can do Eclipse 2 and is even worse than we thought, if that's possible.
I dunno if we're getting a Hamlet situation where everyone dies, but I just... have a hard time seeing the story end with Guts living a happy carefree life until he dies of old age at the end. He deserves it but even after the demons are gone their world is kind of terrible and full of constant violence and death and 100 year wars, so...
Also, I assume that Guts IS going to die in the process of... everything. That seems the almost inevitable conclusion. So it may come down to Casca or, more unexpectedly, Rickerts, finishing the job.
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Magnifico saves the day.
I don't know how he does it but he saves the day.
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Eventhough “Enemy Mine” is an overdone cliche I just don’t see that happening I mean Guts killed the guy that sodomized him as a kid and while he’s mellowed out considerably I realllllly don’t see that happening especially if Caska is the deciding vote in a potential parley.
I dunno if we're getting a Hamlet situation where everyone dies, but I just… have a hard time seeing the story end with Guts living a happy carefree life until he dies of old age at the end. He deserves it but even after the demons are gone their world is kind of terrible and full of constant violence and death and 100 year wars, so...
Miura has managed to avoid anyone can die syndrome at least post Eclipse material which makes me hope he doesn’t decide to throw most of the party off the cliff.
Don’t want this turning into Iron Blooded Orphans Season 2.
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Miura has managed to avoid anyone can die syndrome at least post Eclipse material which makes me hope he doesn’t decide to throw most of the party off the cliff.
Don’t want this turning into Iron Blooded Orphans Season 2.
Guts will die for sure. Ever since he killed that child during assassination( Golden Age arc), his fate was decided.He did something unforgivable. Casca can't/ won't live without both Griffith and Guts either. Only Rickert and Erica will have a happy ending, that's my guess.
I would have loved to see mini arc about backstory of each godhands so much. But it won't happen. I don't buy the idea of what Miura is doing is worth so much times.He works digitally nowadays and there is at least one manga now, of which we get 6-8 chapters a year, whose art and details often surpasses Berserk. And Miura is a god tier artist without a question. So at minimum, he slowed down physically or mentally or perhaps both.
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Since Inoue was brought up, any news if he has plans to end Vagabond? We're likely in the last arc.
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He works digitally nowadays
So? Digital helps speed up the layout and sketching phase, makes it easier to scale things or change details later… but it doesn't speed up the overall actual drawing that much.
and there is at least one manga now, of which we get 6-8 chapters a year, whose art and details often surpasses Berserk. And Miura is a god tier artist without a question. So at minimum, he slowed down physically or mentally or perhaps both.
That's about what we get from Berserk most years. Last year was a really tiny ammount, but we usually get 3-4 chapter chunks, then it breaks for about five or six months, then another 3-4 chapters. It seems to take him about 6 weeks to do a chapter and that's been pretty consistent for at least the last decade.
If you're so down and negative about the series and think Muira is so overrated, why are you even reading it?
Eventhough “Enemy Mine” is an overdone cliche I just don’t see that happening I mean Guts killed the guy that sodomized him as a kid and while he’s mellowed out considerably I realllllly don’t see that happening especially if Caska is the deciding vote in a potential parley.
I gave a lot of examples. I'm not saying he has Griffith at his Mercy and says "eh, nevermind." I'm saying that other shit happens that makes it not as cut and dry obvious as we'd expect. Guts almost gets a killing blow but then dies to sustained injuries after having worked through an army and dies but the armor finishes the job. Or Caska puts on the armor. Guts slices him in half but then Griffith picks himself back up long enough to do a thing. Guts gets there in the middle of a ceremony, they fight Lavos, then have their showdown.
I'm not saying in any way "Griffith gets off the hook", just that… it probably won't be as simple as Guts just straight up killing him.
Miura has managed to avoid anyone can die syndrome at least post Eclipse material which makes me hope he doesn’t decide to throw most of the party off the cliff.
No one died in the Golden Age arc either until they all did.
But yes, I suspect Guts is fighting for the better future and he'll be the last main death. We didn't wait for Casks to get sane again for 20 years just to heave her die.
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Only Rickert and Erica will have a happy ending, that's my guess.
What, Schierke doesn't deserve a happy ending too?
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Since Inoue was brought up, any news if he has plans to end Vagabond? We're likely in the last arc.
I'm pretty sure Vagabond has been officially abandoned. Inoue apparently had some form of ending set up at a convention at one point but he has said that he's at least not returning to it any time soon and probably never if he put up an ending at a convention. Though it's based on a book so the endings are likely the same.
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I'm pretty sure Vagabond has been officially abandoned. Inoue apparently had some form of ending set up at a convention at one point but he has said that he's at least not returning to it any time soon and probably never if he put up an ending at a convention. Though it's based on a book so the endings are likely the same.
That's a shame. How was that convention ending he talked about how he intended to do it and show it some drawing or what?
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Guts will die for sure. Ever since he killed that child during assassination( Golden Age arc).
Hmmmmmm I forgot about this.
No one died in the Golden Age arc either until they all did.
I mean that at least had setup being a flashback and what not, along with Griffith carrying a behelit which at the time we didn't yet know the full purpose of.
What, Schierke doesn't deserve a happy ending too?
Well we can pretty much assume it won't involve professing her infatuation with Guts:ninja:
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So? Digital helps speed up the layout and sketching phase, makes it easier to scale things or change details later… but it doesn't speed up the overall actual drawing that much.
That's about what we get from Berserk most years. Last year was a really tiny ammount, but we usually get 3-4 chapter chunks, then it breaks for about five or six months, then another 3-4 chapters. It seems to take him about 6 weeks to do a chapter and that's been pretty consistent for at least the last decade.
If you're so down and negative about the series and think Muira is so overrated, why are you even reading it?
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That's a pointless assessment. Plenty of fans diss Togashi, but read HxH when the chapters come out. Granted Miura is far more professional than Togashi, but the end result is same. Also nowhere I implied he is 'overrated'.
Last 5 years we got 20 chapters( including the coming one). Also there is no proper periodicity of chapters release anymore. The kind of work schedule you are promoting (6 weeks to draw a chapters) should produce more. Miura told more than 18 months ago that chapters will be more frequent as his assistants got better. So far things haven't change. So it is right to assume that he slowed down.
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I'm pretty sure Vagabond has been officially abandoned. Inoue apparently had some form of ending set up at a convention at one point but he has said that he's at least not returning to it any time soon and probably never if he put up an ending at a convention. Though it's based on a book so the endings are likely the same.
The novel and the manga are significantly different, so i doubt it, though the obvious thing happens in both, well, … obviously, it´s based on history after all.
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Last 5 years we got 20 chapters
Are you counting the seven chapters of Duranki he did last year?
Also where you start and stop the clock matters. They never release just one chapter, it's always several together, so that scale is going to shift dramatically over the next two months. And if you add another few months onto the backend to make it five and a half years that adds a lot more chapters too.
Even though the releases tend to be 6-8 months apart, we've fairly consistently gotten a volume of SOMETHING from Muira every year , including those stints he worked on different projects for a year on Gigantomakhia and Duranki (and those were both 7 chapters in a year). The only really off year was when he wasted time on the new movies and tv series. (And I say wasted since they came out looking like crap so no one cares about them.)
Yes it would obviously feel different if they held those chapters even longer and we got them released 7 or 8 at a time for five months straights. And It's nothing even close to the 3 volumes a year pace he had pre 2010, but it keeps coming and looks good when it does.
They tried for a little while to do a monthly schedule for him. That they tried meant that Muira and the editors thought that would actually work and that he could manage 20 pages every 30 days, but that 20 pages every 14 days was completely out of the question. And he obviously couldn't quite do that and they stopped after I think five chapters, which is what has led to the current estimate that it takes him 5-6 weeks to do a chapter. And that he does about 8 chapters a year lines up with that.
He's said in interviews fantasy elf island has been a bigger burden than he expected because he finds himself wanting to draw all the fantastical landscape stuff ad the dozens of small characters. Given what's already happened, we probably get off the island soon.
My best guess would be he wraps up elf island, then goes back to the real world with a tiemskip and launches into the final arc.
If that's 80 chapters, length of Golden Age, he's at it for another 10 years, finishes when he's 65 and retires. Any shorter than that, like Nausica length of "only 1100 pages" and he finishes sooner.
It may not seem like it because of the release schedule, but if you look at the work as a whole, and that it's been running for 32 years already, but it's probably in the home stretch and will finish around the 40th anniversary.
Unless he pulls a Guin saga and just does it until he dies.
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Haha, Star Wars reference.
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Honestly pretty meh. Was the isidro stuff really necessary right now?
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Honestly pretty meh. Was the isidro stuff really necessary right now?
Not right now but in the long term for the sake of the overall story? A light breather chapter between horrific big events is important every now and again.
It sucks when its months between chapters, but it'll be better in the trade when its just a short break between horrific Caska eclipse flashbacks and… what's likely about to come with that cliffhanger.
Now if we got like five of these in a row? Yeah that'd be a bit off.
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Not right now but in the long term for the sake of the overall story? A light breather chapter between horrific big events is important every now and again.
It sucks when its months between chapters, but it'll be better in the trade when its just a short break between horrific Caska eclipse flashbacks and… what's likely about to come with that cliffhanger.
Now if we got like five of these in a row? Yeah that'd be a bit off.
Sure, but we got that great stuff about skull knight's eclipse and then…nothing. It really sucks when you want to know more about the story, but the characters don't. Guts might not care about the skull knight, but I and probably a lot of other readers do. I much rather would have had a follow up with that than pointless shenanigans.
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Sure. But sometimes you have to wait for the end to get answers. We could know what One Piece is right now if Oda had extended that Oden flashback a bit more but…
It mostly just sucks with berserk because of the pace it moves at.
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I'm happy for a light breather chapter now and then. For such a dark series like Berserk, it's very needed.
Also, does that kid get older every time we see him?
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Well, since the kid is Griffith, that means he can enter Elfhelm, at least in his child form. This complicate the things. I hoped Elfhelm would stay as paradise.
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Well, since the kid is Griffith, that means he can enter Elfhelm, at least in his child form. This complicate the things. I hoped Elfhelm would stay as paradise.
That was never ever ever going to happen. Guts has to be forced to leave his cozy haven sooner or later.
But because time moves funny the last week will have been 10 years outside and Rickerts will have his own demon army ready to go for the endgame.
I kinda thought Isidro and Schierke would get timeskipped too, but maybe not.
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For Schierke, it was not an option. She had to come to Elfhelm to meet her kinds, for her growth.
To think former elf princess was Gaeseric's beloved is bit of a twist though. -
Fun chapter, I can see the team had fun with those references.
I can't remember who that kid at end is, though. Or rather, I did read auem's explanation but can't make sense of it, it's been too long since I first read the whole manga. :blink:
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To think former elf princess was Gaeseric's beloved is bit of a twist though.
Is she though? They said she's the spitting image, but they were at a grave, and Danan definitely doesn't have a brand on her.
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Elfes in Berserk can choose a gender and align their biology with it. I assume Hanafubukus aligned hers to Skull Knights lover's looks as a form of gratitude or something.
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The Moonlight boy appearing before Guts instead of Casca could be due to the trauma Casca could remember (Femto Griff rape).. but I’m sure this is what will bring Guts and Casca face to face again, I hope she comes running due to his presence here
I’m happy about this development though.
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Is she though? They said she's the spitting image, but they were at a grave, and Danan definitely doesn't have a brand on her.
Dannan called her 'lady pristess of cherry blossom'. So I assumed her to be some sorts of former princess/queen.
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The Moonlight boy appearing before Guts instead of Casca could be due to the trauma Casca could remember (Femto Griff rape).. but I’m sure this is what will bring Guts and Casca face to face again, I hope she comes running due to his presence here
I’m happy about this development though.
Casca has no reason to relate that boy with Griffith until now.
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Dannan called her 'lady pristess of cherry blossom'. So I assumed her to be some sorts of former princess/queen.
I assumed she was a witch.
It would fit with the theme of the Christian Midland replacing Gaiseric's presumably pagan empire, and it would also help explain her connection to Elfhelm.
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I assumed she was a witch.
It would fit with the theme of the Christian Midland replacing Gaiseric's presumably pagan empire, and it would also help explain her connection to Elfhelm.
Well, that is very much possible too. But since she resemble Danann so much, I automatically assumed her more in the line of fairy princess. Also Danann's title is 'flower storm monarc' ;so the title also give hints about some peerage or sorts.
To be fair, I am now not sure whether Danann is both fairy and witch or not…. -
i know a breather is necessary in series like this but this one was just too long…it took me out of the experience and think "why am I reading about the monkey-ish abilities of Izidro again?"
but great cliff-hanger, hoping The Kid is a resolved issue by the end of this saga, since he is majorly associated with Casca trauma.
what do you think is the island's taboo? I'm going with revival of the dead (Gasearic's wife...? then she died again and was put in the tomb)
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i know a breather is necessary in series like this but this one was just too long…it took me out of the experience and think "why am I reading about the monkey-ish abilities of Izidro again?"
but great cliff-hanger, hoping The Kid is a resolved issue by the end of this saga, since he is majorly associated with Casca trauma.
what do you think is the island's taboo? I'm going with revival of the dead (Gasearic's wife…? then she died again and was put in the tomb)
I think it is about entrapping pure spirit to this world's object. Skull Knight died but Flora used some magic to seal his soul/spirit to present armour after his mortal body was consumed by Berserker armour. I guess this went against their principle (if there was any) of not interfering with the flow of life and death.
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The last thing I expected in this chapter was the Star Wars references.
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The last thing I expected in this chapter was the Star Wars references.
Miura has been using it time to time since Isidro was introduced, like Puck imitating Master Yoda.
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I just hope that Miura gives us at least some proper Guts and Casca interactions and moments before the shit goes down.
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Miura has been using it time to time since Isidro was introduced, like Puck imitating Master Yoda.
They're so good. And that Kelpi looked just liked Jar Jar Binks =))
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Bad CGI PTSD intensifies
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It has to be better than that one, right?
At least will it have william dafoe?
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