I'm feeling like Mic will die and it'll throw Aizawa off the deep end.
My Hero Academia II - A true Hero
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I'm feeling like Mic will die and it'll throw Aizawa off the deep end.
Well he already has information that would do that.
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@MDL:
Guys….please.... differentiate more clearly between AFO and OFA in your posts.
Becuase from what I understood from this chapter, Shiggy got a copy of AFO, not OFA.
Sound them out to remember which one is which.I meant AFO, sorry.
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! Machia is receiving the frequencies of the Lord. Thins are about to go south reaaaally fast.
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! Dabi is the Legion of Doom member best-suited to beating Tokoyami and the dumb fucker still can't secure the kill.
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@Cyan:
! Dabi is the Legion of Doom member best-suited to beating Tokoyami and the dumb fucker still can't secure the kill.
! No wonder Endeavor threw him away, Dabi's a useless bum.! Dabi interviewing for Kentucky Fried Hero.
Colonel: Look here sonny, it doesn't matter that you're Endeavor's son or what else, if you can't fry two birbs in 20 seconds, how will you be able to handle all of my special herbs? -
To be fair, Dabi would have killed Tokoyami and Hawks if Geten didn´t get in the way. I mean, he is certainly useless and thinks too highly of himself, but at least this time he has an excuse.
And on the other hand, it seems that the liberation army starting to fight back is happening at the exact time that Shigaraki and Machia start to move, that´s isn´t good for the heroes. I hope that the kids experience a high stakes arc like the league did, since it´s something the series is lacking currently.
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! IS that the first time hearing dark shadow talk? I didn't think he was that much of sentient seperate entity.
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! Thank goodness Re-Destro's got spare legs. At the very least he shouldn't get captured now. Glad the PLF is putting together a plan with Geten leading the way. I don't want to see a total curb stomp by the heroes.
! Dabi ripping off Endeavor's flying move was great. Seeing Dabi do anything other than his standard fire blasts is great in general.
! Giggy and Shiggy together. Giganto's gonna weep Deku tears when he learns Shigaraki's got All For One.! IS that the first time hearing dark shadow talk? I didn't think he was that much of sentient seperate entity.
! He's talked before, but he's never been this chatty. I like it. But, it does make me wonder if Tokoyami has to tell Dark Shadow what to do or not. Because it looked liked DS and him were in sync without him giving orders.
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Predictions:
- Shoto will turn to the dark side after Dabi is killed by Endeavor. “Heroes” and “villains” are just terminology of the state; we’re really witnessing a revolution.
- AFO will take his power back from Shigaraki and kill him this arc. Of course, after Shigaraki takes the quirks of all the top non heteromorphic heroes. He’s Deku’s dad, after all. He has to retake his place as the autocratic savior on top of a chaotic world. Only after the “symbol of justice” is destroyed.
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This chapter didn't have enough X-Less.
! I love the potential storylines being introduced in this chapter. Tokoyami's making a small but brave move by breaking from Fat Gum to save Hawks, but there's a lot of ways this can go in the future. That is to say, right now he's making the instinctual hero move in saving Hawks, but how is he going to process this knowledge of Hawks' mission in the future? Will he accept Hawks, reject him, or something inbetween? With Tokoyami, maybe, inform Deku and the class later? This could lead to big things, and I'm impressed this story thread is happening while tensions are being escalated with the revival of Shigaraki and Gigantomachia. Very impressive.
! Also, ass. Horikoshi is a guy that can weave and seed several storylines at once, but also decide to draw a larger than average butt in the same chapter. I guess that's multitasking? -
! I'm impressed this story thread is happening while tensions are being escalated with the revival of Shigaraki and Gigantomachia. Very impressive.
! Duuuuude, saaaaame.
I'm so stunned that Hawks slaying Twice is actually gonna be a sticking point.
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This chapter didn't have enough X-Less.
! I love the potential storylines being introduced in this chapter. Tokoyami's making a small but brave move by breaking from Fat Gum to save Hawks, but there's a lot of ways this can go in the future. That is to say, right now he's making the instinctual hero move in saving Hawks, but how is he going to process this knowledge of Hawks' mission in the future? Will he accept Hawks, reject him, or something inbetween? With Tokoyami, maybe, inform Deku and the class later? This could lead to big things, and I'm impressed this story thread is happening while tensions are being escalated with the revival of Shigaraki and Gigantomachia. Very impressive.
! Also, ass. Horikoshi is a guy that can weave and seed several storylines at once, but also decide to draw a larger than average butt in the same chapter. I guess that's multitasking?! On the second last page, Wasn't it implied by Tokoyami that all the heroes currently now that Hawks has been undercover all this time?
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! On the second last page, Wasn't it implied by Tokoyami that all the heroes currently now that Hawks has been undercover all this time?
! That's why he says he wasn't dirty.! Don't think so. Because: 1) Hawks infiltration had to been a secret until he identified all the heroes on the PLF side, like Slide-n-Go, 2) Hero Commission ain't taking the fall admitting they ordered the murder of Twice, and possibly turned the blind eye to the possible murder of Best Jeanist and 3) They can simply say "Your group is gonna strike the mansion holding most of the PLF members, by the way Hawks might have already infiltrated the local before the hour to strike so don't find unusual to find him there already" and the heroes on would just go "damn that guy is to fast to act", which fits Hawks' profile.
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The thing is that they haven’t explored the limits of “force” valid to apprehend a villain. All might hit afo and the nomu hard enough to change the weather, dark shadow did something awful to moon fish , and edge shot does invasive surgery as an opening move, any of these actions could have killed the villains, and most of those villains I wouldn’t be like that distraught if they died.
Can they kill? And then “was killing twice a moral act? “ can be asked in that society.
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So far lethal force has only been used against nomus, that have been deemed non human, and Toshinori vs AFO round 1 was probably and off-books kind of thing.
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Tokoyami didn't even know Hawks was involved until Fat Gum told him, and he himself didn't know the details. Endeavor didn't know what Hawks was up to either. If the top hero doesn't know, it's fair to assume no-one else does. Which makes sense since that could very easily jeopardize his mission.
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I don't expect Hawks to make it out of this fight alive (I'm still banking on Toga giving the finishing blow as personal revenge for Twice),
but if he does make it then his hero life is definitely over. Dark Shadow said that his back is "gone". Not even badly burned, just… destroyed. Fucking ouch. -
I hate that every time I start considering how the wounds will permanently end someone's hero life, I remember Eri still exists.
On one hand, I'm hoping she heals these wounded heroes and on another, I'm hoping the damage stays and the society gets turned upside down, forcing our main characters to grow up faster.
But then we would be denied a little more relaxed and competitive school life aspect of the story. So I expect some middle ground solution.
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I hate that every time I start considering how the wounds will permanently end someone's hero life, I remember Eri still exists.
Last we saw her Eri's horn was bothering here, so we don't know what's going to happen to her powers in the future.
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Eri only has enough Time Juice to bring back one of Hawks's wings.
This drives him insane so he arms himself with a comically long sword and begins his mission to reunite with his mother and destroy the world with a giant meteor.
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The thing is that they haven’t explored the limits of “force” valid to apprehend a villain. All might hit afo and the nomu hard enough to change the weather, dark shadow did something awful to moon fish , and edge shot does invasive surgery as an opening move, any of these actions could have killed the villains, and most of those villains I wouldn’t be like that distraught if they died.
Can they kill? And then “was killing twice a moral act? “ can be asked in that society.
You’re asking the real questions here.
I think that the kids of UA initially looked at heroes and villains almost like a game of cowboys and indians… free from dire consequence. But we’re starting to understand the real definitions.
“Heroes” are enforcers of the state’s authority. Their work is to uphold society and its norms at all costs.
“Villains” are those who directly challenge that authority. Usually, they’re on the fringes of society and are clearly a product of failed policies (eg. Twice, Toga, Toya).
We see this again and again. Those titles mean nothing. We’re watching the PLF conduct a revolution against their oppressors.
Kotaro Shimura is another tragic example of this. Has anyone made the connection that he’s just like Kota? An adult version that didn’t have a Deck to save him.
Shoto is also well positioned to turn his back on state-sponsored authority since his family has been ruined by so-called “heroism.”
I don’t see society going back to normal after this arc. AFO’s master plan is coming to fruition. His pawn Shigaraki will continue to gather pieces until AFO can discard him. After all, poor Tenko was selected for who he was and the harm he could bring to AFO’s nemesis.
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I hate that every time I start considering how the wounds will permanently end someone's hero life, I remember Eri still exists.
I expect Eri to not be used until the last parts of the manga when she heals Mirio.
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Last we saw her Eri's horn was bothering here, so we don't know what's going to happen to her powers in the future.
Yes, we don't know.
Which is why it's hard to try to predict just how lasting the damage everyone gets here will be.
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I think that the kids of UA initially looked at heroes and villains almost like a game of cowboys and indians… free from dire consequence. But we’re starting to understand the real definitions.
“Heroes” are enforcers of the state’s authority. Their work is to uphold society and its norms at all costs.
“Villains” are those who directly challenge that authority. Usually, they’re on the fringes of society and are clearly a product of failed policies (eg. Twice, Toga, Toya).
We see this again and again. Those titles mean nothing. We’re watching the PLF conduct a revolution against their oppressors.
Kotaro Shimura is another tragic example of this. Has anyone made the connection that he’s just like Kota? An adult version that didn’t have a Deku to save him.
Shoto is also well positioned to turn his back on state-sponsored authority since his family has been ruined by so-called “heroism.”
I don’t see society going back to normal after this arc. AFO’s master plan is coming to fruition. His pawn Shigaraki will continue to gather pieces until AFO can discard him. After all, poor Tenko was selected for who he was and the harm he could bring to AFO’s nemesis.
Yessss, all of this.
I love how Hori approaches his story of heroes and villains from a "both sides" perspective, rather than just sticking with the hero perspective all the way through like most stories.
This has been a strongly consistent thing ever since Stain showed up.
There's so much reasoning and misgivings shown on the villain side, people who were failed by society and started lashing out. It's been super compelling to see the ideologies clash from time to time.I also agree that there's an intriguingly high chance of Shoto turning his back on the authority.
Remember how pissed he got with the police chief when he, Izuku and Tenya were scolded for using unauthorized force against Stain.
Called him a mutt and everything. It deeply offended him to be scolded for saving someone.That could very well develop into something.
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Where are the villains lashing out? At the oppressors? The heroes? Or the common folk that have nothing to do with their struggles? At kids that want to make a better future for everyone? At other rejects of society because they don’t “share their vision “?
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The only villains we see that are outsiders/dregs of society are Spinner, Toga, Dabi, Magne, Twice, and Shigaraki.
Toga and Dabi are serial killers (and Dabi is a colossal loser), Shigaraki is a nihilist terrorist, Magne is dead, Twice is dead (and was a greater danger to the world than Shigaraki could ever hope to be and that's why Horikoshi had to off him), and Spinner is a goober.
The MLA are weird libertarians with corporate backing who's primary issue with society is that they can't walk over people with weak/no Quirks.
All For One is a megalomaniac supervillain who literally conquered and rule Japan for decades.
Overhaul and company were dumb idiots who wanted the yakuza to be restored as Japans scumbag criminals of choice.
Gentle and La Brava weren't even villains.
Stain was a dumbass who was also a serial killer motivated by the fact that heroes weren't being ascetic monks living on pillars when not saving people.
Compress is even worse than a serial killer, he is - may Allah forgive me for uttering this word - a magician.
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Tokoyami's shadow cryptic comment about Hawk's condition sent shivers down my spine. That's how bad his predicament you know is.
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Yes, we don't know.
Which is why it's hard to try to predict just how lasting the damage everyone gets here will be.
Which is a good thing. We don't know where this will go, so we want to keep reading.
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I have no idea how people can feel compassion for the villains in this series except maybe for someone like Twice. Being dealt a bad hand in life and being bullied because society is flawed are not reasons to become genocidal maniacs that have no problem harming/killing kids and civilians. It would have been more effective if the opposition was ruthless but with a certain moral compass and real plans for reforms like Dragon and the revolutionaries in One Piece. Absolute chaos led by luminaries like AFO, Shigaraki and Dabi is not a world i would want to live in.
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Twice you definitely feel for, and I also feel for Stain, but yeah, I definitely don't feel anything for Toga or any of AFO's lackeys. Maybe Dabi if we confirm that he's Endeavor's kid.
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I felt a little for Toga, but granted small-critter-killing-childs are very hard to raise properly.
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Shiggy is a double whamy of what his father and AFO did to him, and his power awakening in the worst possible way.
Dabi, if he is the lost Todoroki, is the frontrunner of "the system is actually guilty of his suffering"
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I felt a little for Toga, but granted small-critter-killing-childs are very hard to raise properly.
Fun Fact: Animal cruelty is one third of the MacDonald Triad, three signs that a child has high potential to grow into a serial killer or similar (the other two thirds are pyromania and bedwetting well past early childhood)
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As far as morality goes, while there are people among the villains that are sympathetic or repressed, they are planning to kill a lot of people. When you reach that point, you may be past the point of no return, and any action taken is a kind of self-defense. I feel horrible for Twice, but in a sense Hawks killed a man in self-defense–in broad terms as Twice did resist arrest while Dabi was attacking him. It's easy to forget that just because you're sympathetic doesn't mean you're in the right.
This is extra true for Stain, and I'm hoping we revisit him again. Yes, the man had tenacity and some good points, but nothing justified murder. I like that after his arc we've seen that some heroes like Uraraka, Uwabami, and Mt. Lady who want to use their hero careers for self-interest (to varying degress), but also use their powers to help people and create a net good. It's another way this series explores several sides of an issue.
Randomly back to Eri, I'm kind of hoping she's the opposite of Deku, and actually proves to be a prodigy with her quirk. That'd be an interesting twist, I think.
Fun Fact: Animal cruelty is one third of the MacDonald Triad, three signs that a child has high potential to grow into a serial killer or similar (the other two thirds are pyromania and bedwetting well past early childhood)
So…Toga peed herself as a kid? Jeez, her childhood was already rough...
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Dabi covers pyromania, Toga covers animal cruelty…
Who covers the bed-wetting?
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@Cyan:
The only villains we see that are outsiders/dregs of society are Spinner, Toga, Dabi, Magne, Twice, and Shigaraki.
Toga and Dabi are serial killers (and Dabi is a colossal loser), Shigaraki is a nihilist terrorist, Magne is dead, Twice is dead (and was a greater danger to the world than Shigaraki could ever hope to be and that's why Horikoshi had to off him), and Spinner is a goober.
The MLA are weird libertarians with corporate backing who's primary issue with society is that they can't walk over people with weak/no Quirks.
All For One is a megalomaniac supervillain who literally conquered and rule Japan for decades.
Overhaul and company were dumb idiots who wanted the yakuza to be restored as Japans scumbag criminals of choice.
Gentle and La Brava weren't even villains.
Stain was a dumbass who was also a serial killer motivated by the fact that heroes weren't being ascetic monks living on pillars when not saving people.
Compress is even worse than a serial killer, he is - may Allah forgive me for uttering this word - a magician.
Don't forget Doctor "Not-A-Nazi-Reference-At-All" Garaki and Gigantomachia, who has the reasoning ability of a puppy.
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Sometimes, it gets really hard to tell how much of a "Grey area" Academia is trying to create in this story, or if some of us are just seeing stuff that isn't there.
When discussing the topic with a friend, and I'll try to keep it short so I don't screw up his argument, he's basically adamant that "All Might's Hero Society" is basically the best way for their society to work and there aren't enough failings of that society to warrant any changes. We just need Deku to catch up and things can/should go back to normal. Villains are all just selfish assholes that don't want to work hard enough to live a decent life, or people with terrible mental illnesses (doesn't excuse murder or terrorism). It really is just black and white in Academia universe and he really hates whenever Hori has one of the LoV acting like they have a point to argue.
I'm more on the side that believes All Might's style was terrible in the long run, and that it just made a society with a really poor sense of justice. Everything in this society is weighted towards being a Pro Hero or working for one. If you fail at that, which is very likely, better be satisfied with living a mundane and simple life and holding back with your powers forever (which granted, a lot of people seem content with). If you act up or have a bad day, you're a villain. I'm not full supporting the villains, full blown anarchy is way too much, but some changes do need to happen.
Of course, it gets harder to believe there is a grey area, when most of the Heroes/kids still have no reason or experiences to believe there's a problem. The Villains have to prove there's a problem… but every villain that has a point just takes things too far into murder territory, and then their actions are just further justification that there isn't a problem. Just beat up the bad people complaining.
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The thing is the villain label starts with unlawful use of your quirk, you can use your quirk however you like in private or among colleagues, but in public it's considered an issue. Gentle's first trouble with the law was trying to help using his quirk but getting in the way of a pro hero by doing so. Did he had bad intentions? No. Did he know how to properly deal with the situation? Also no. But nevertheless he ended with a passage with the cops.
Vigilantes and The Mutant Hate Group that the LoV stole, shows us that is racism towards mutant type quirks. Twice and Toga's backstory show us that society doesn't have the proper, or a truly functional, safety net for quirks with problematic implications. Either you fit the mold, or you might end as a criminal.
TouyaDabi's story proves that quirk eugenics and extreme pressure for success exist in society.Toshinori's model proved flawed, he inspired hundreds to became heroes, truth, but in the end made the pro heroes more relaxed in their posture, because when things went south All Might would show up to save the day.
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Which is a good thing. We don't know where this will go, so we want to keep reading.
Um, okay?
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The thing about quirk society is that is impossible to let everyone use their quirks freely or create laws that allow everyone to use them properly, mostly because everyone has different quirks and they go from harmless (Inko´s quirk) to really freaking dangerous (like that child that make earthquakes) That´s why Destro´s ideal is dumb, in a society where everyone can use their quirks freely, chaos will come fast, even more with quirks growing stronger each generation.
That said, it seems that Uraraka could have used her quirk to help his family and Kaminari could have used his quirk outside of hero work (though I don´t think we were told how), so it´s possible to get your quirks licensed for specific uses, it´s only forbidden to use it freely without a permit. So you can use your quirk outside hero work with a license, but I kinda wish that either the main series or vigilantes showed us more from that.
And like someone said, you can use them inside your properties too. The problem with Toga was that she was denied even that by her parents and eventually exploded because the quirk counceling didn´t teach her to live with her quirk in a healthy way, but to repress it and try to be "normal" because her quirk wasn´t suited for heroics or for other works like Uraraka´s.
In short Quirk´s society isn´t perfect and needs some changes, the problem with the series is that there aren´t any villains or anti-heroes trying to reform society shortcomings, the league is just trying to take revenge on it and destroy so they can live "freely" At first I though Re-Destro´s army would be that, but in the end they were the MHA´s equivalent of the NRA.
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So…Toga peed herself as a kid? Jeez, her childhood was already rough...
Dabi covers pyromania, Toga covers animal cruelty…
Who covers the bed-wetting?
Honestly, probably Shigaraki.
The thing about quirk society is that is impossible to let everyone use their quirks freely or create laws that allow everyone to use them properly, mostly because everyone has different quirks and they go from harmless (Inko´s quirk) to really freaking dangerous (like that child that make earthquakes) That´s why Destro´s ideal is dumb, in a society where everyone can use their quirks freely, chaos will come fast, even more with quirks growing stronger each generation.
Just imagine BioShock with quirks… Or, actually, just imagine BioShock.
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It's a problem of representation on Hori's of villains, instead of criminals that stand fro the injustices of the system that created them, he have:
Sociopaths like Muscular and Rappa that are ok with killing people if it gives them a good fight;
Serial Killers like Moonfish, Stain, Dabi and Toga;
The boy with the most rude awakening of his quirk, that was left begging for help on the streets and society turned a blind eye towards him in hope a pro hero would do the job o helping a lost child (police apparently doesn't do that),and was later indoctrinated into a nihilistic killer by his super villain set father;
and a bunch of libertarians that basically believe in a society of "might make right"They a little too extreme on the spectrum to actually convey the injustices inherent to the system.
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And gentle and twice.
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The spin off team up series has a chapter about a normal citizen with a very problematic quirk. The ability to create a plague basically. But he didn't have a proper way of dealing with it. Basically just holding it in until he couldn't. The society of quirks definitely has a lot of gaps in helping people who have undesirable quirks.
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The thing about quirk society is that is impossible to let everyone use their quirks freely or create laws that allow everyone to use them properly, mostly because everyone has different quirks and they go from harmless (Inko´s quirk) to really freaking dangerous (like that child that make earthquakes) That´s why Destro´s ideal is dumb, in a society where everyone can use their quirks freely, chaos will come fast, even more with quirks growing stronger each generation.
The Bioshock comparison that sgamer82 used is very accurate. Those people are just elitists that are frustrated that they cannot use their powerful abilities to freely oppress and rule the masses. They would eventually take the Endeavor route where families will want to have pure bloodlines and do experiments to find ways to make them more powerful to have an edge over everyone else. People born with no ability like Deku or with abilities that are seen as useless will just be marginalized if not outright killed as to not perpetuate their "defective" genes. The status quo might no be ideal but it is better than a world where the same issues would not only still exist but be exacerbated.
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When Hori introduced Stain it looked like he might go down a path of addressing social injustice and racism as well as an increasingly entitled and spoiled hero class. Instead he turned the bad guys into typical caricatures.
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I don't think I'd care as much about Shiggy's group as I currently do if they were nothing but caricatures.
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And the Endeavor and Hawks shoes have to drop.
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When Hori introduced Stain it looked like he might go down a path of addressing social injustice and racism as well as an increasingly entitled and spoiled hero class. Instead he turned the bad guys into typical caricatures.
He is addressing that though. Many of the villains are victims of one of the two.
It's just that the hero system was never really a problem.
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@MDL:
I don't think I'd care as much about Shiggy's group as I currently do if they were nothing but caricatures.
Twice's death wouldn't have made me cry.I did not cry when Twice died as i saw it as something that had to be done. His loyalty and commitment to his friends were admirable but in the end, he was enabling extremely dangerous sociopaths. Society as a whole is more important than someone who was sadly dealt a bad hand in life and ended up with a bad crowd.