Some people are fatigued by the story and just want things to be rushed or skipped over. Oda goes as far as giving us some of the PK's adventure and they still aren't satisfied lol. That's how thirsty for the end they are. Even when the crew is still getting development in certain arcs. Oda could get inspired tomorrow and add something that compliments the existing points like how the Supernova came to be. Has Im always been part of the plan as he currently is? None of us have manga proof, yet it's confirmed that there's less than 4 arcs left to cover all of this
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The fact that some think everything doesn't need to be addressed when Oda has never shown that is my point. There's a difference between merging into with the other points and not covering at all.
.It depends of what is your level for 'everything'. Robby thinks Jinbe's scar is a must point whereas I don't care at all if it is explained or not and I'm not sure a Jinbe specific flashback is necessary (at least not the regular 10 chapters one)
Also even if the serie is far from finished (Wano itself has a long way to go), I don't think it is impossible next saga is the last one
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You guys just lack the capacity to see how Oda can cover a lot in a few chapters. I'll help you. We are 375 chapters into the second half of the series. In the first half of the series, 375 chapters got us into enies lobby. 222 more chapters and done. Did you think not much was covered in those 222 chapters?
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It depends of what is your level for 'everything'. Robby thinks Jinbe's scar is a must point whereas I don't care at all if it is explained or not and I'm not sure a Jinbe specific flashback is necessary (at least not the regular 10 chapters one)
Also even if the serie is far from finished (Wano itself has a long way to go), I don't think it is impossible next saga is the last one
I never really thought of his scar like that. I don't know his claim surrounding the matter. Was it ever hinted at being a subject to be expounded on? I can't remember. Or is it just an interesting design for Robby to question this. I have only questioned why Jinbei's facial hair and clothing give me Wano vibes. It might be nothing really. I wouldn't consider Jinbei's possible Wano connection or a scar really needed coverage because there's no hints in narrative to back it up yet. That is only my understanding and Oda may or may not have plans for the scar.
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You guys just lack the capacity to see how Oda can cover a lot in a few chapters. I'll help you. We are 375 chapters into the second half of the series. In the first half of the series, 375 chapters got us into enies lobby. 222 more chapters and done. Did you think not much was covered in those 222 chapters?
What does chapter count mean? Different points are reached when it is justified in the story. Do you think Oda says "Luffy learns of Haki at chapter 594" or "when Luffy is training under Rayleigh, he learns Haki"? Storytelling is more accurate by narrative and not chapter count. I doubt Oda says it ends at chapter 1043. He has his points and tries his best to get to each. If he made the story as obvious and predictable as you make it, it would've been figured out already.
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What does chapter count mean? Different points are reached when it is justified in the story. Do you think Oda says "Luffy learns of Haki at chapter 594" or "when Luffy is training under Rayleigh, he learns Haki"? Storytelling is more accurate by narrative and not chapter count. I doubt Oda says it ends at chapter 1043. He has his points and tries his best to get to each. If he made the story as obvious and predictable as you make it, it would've been figured out already.
Way to miss point. I'll say it again. ODA CAN COVER A LOT IN A FEW CHAPTERS
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It doesn't change the fact that comparing first half with second one is absolutely meaningless. The length of post timeskip arc is incredibly longer because of factors which I've been said earlier (Daz I believe). Ironically big revelations are done in bulk in short inter-arcs or little ones like Zoo or the Reverie. That doesn't change the fact that the "major" arcs will continue to be very long especially if we enter 1 vs 1 battles
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Yeah I understand the first and second half of the series are very different. I just wanted to put into perspective what 222 chapters could do at 375.
I fully expect the second half of the series to be longer.
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Speaking of the live action,and considering its on Netflix,we have to consider something: Netflix usually doesnt let its series have too many seasons. The longest has been 'Orange is the new Black' (7 seasons) which was basically the "face" of Netflix for many years with House of Cards,before other series like Stranger Things became more popular. The 'average' Netflix series lasts 3 or 4 seasons. For contractual reasons its more convenient for Netflix to do like this. Of course the most popular ones like Stranger Things lasts longer. We know that the One Piece series will cost a lot,and so far the most expensive series produced by Netflix were The Crown and Sense8. Sense8 lasted two seasons (and a movie) because it was popular but not enough popular to justify the cost. And The Crown was originally coinceved like a 6-seasons project but then it got reduced to 5 seasons,officially for storytelling reasons but more probably because,altough its a very critically acclaimed show,its not one of the most popular shows on Netflix.
So basically what i am trying to say its that its pointless for us to imagine a '10 seasons plan' for this One Piece live action,because,if it becomes popular on a 'Stranger Things' level,it will probably last around 6-7 seasons,but if it will be on a "average popularity" level,it wont probably last more than 3 or 4 seasons,especially considering the big cost of the series. -
So basically what i am trying to say its that its pointless for us to imagine a '10 seasons plan' for this One Piece live action,because,if it becomes popular on a 'Stranger Things' level,it will probably last around 6-7 seasons,but if it will be on a "average popularity" level,it wont probably last more than 3 or 4 seasons,especially considering the big cost of the series.
I think that 3 seasons would be more then enough for the first part of One Piece - up to the SH separation - as the episodes will focus more on the actual story, action, and some character development unlike the episodes which are 20% scenes from the previous episode, 20% static pictures, 20% gags and nonesense talk and only 40% consists of actual story and development.
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The fact that some think everything doesn't need to be addressed when Oda has never shown that is my point. There's a difference between merging into with the other points and not covering at all.
Also, we did not see everything in Oden's flashback when it comes to the journey. Lets establish that fact.
Yes, they fit perfectly in arcs that we don't even know are arcs yet. That makes sense. We are going to have a Lodestar arc confirmed. Lets take all of these plot points that we don't know if they are related or not and attach them to prove an illogical point. Also, Elbag, Laugh Tale and Final War can be some of the same arcs. Especially final war and Laugh Tale. We don't know, yet we can can fit a bunch of plot points, that are still popping up more than being closed off, in them.
We've seen the crew doing some cartography work just right after getting the 4 RP, you'te thinking of imaginary stuff that hasn't even been hinted at all, you can read poneglyphs? Good just collect the red ones and you get the location, there's no more to it at all.
And again, Elbaf, Laugh Tale and the final war are not 'if', those are happening 100%, any other would be wild guesses, tho I keep quite sure they landing into LodeStar as well.
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Literally Vegapunk himself. Unless his Lab is conveniently on Elbaf, i dont see him showing his face on a warfront, only his weapons. And he's been teased to be one of the biggest characters in the series so its obvious Luffy will meet him.
Vegapunk is tied to:
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Germa/Judge(if Jinbe and Germa escaped, its very likely Germa did not follow Jinbe to Wano)
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Caesar (has not been seen or heard from since WCI)
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Smoker/Tashigi/PH Kids (updates on them have been missing since Dressrosa; they are literally the only notable marines who did not appear during the Reverie)
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Kuma/Bonney (Kuma, and thus Bonney, are inherently tied to Vegapunk, due to Kuma's whole arc revolving around his superweapons)
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Revolutionaries (yes, they will certainly be part of the climax, but the Reverie portions indicate they will still probably try and save Kuma, and that may involve Vegapunk. So Kuma's story ties to them as well)
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CP-0 (like the above, possibly an endgame group, but because they have been compared as the antithesis of the Revolutionaries, and constantly teased like Vegapunk, I can see plot involving them here)
This is WHY i think there is a Vegapunk centric arc happening after Wano, regardless if the above is as comprehensive as i think. I cant see Elbaf devoting time and focus to this, as that possibly still involves Big Mom closing storyline, Usopp's big moments, Giants, and maybe other fantastical things like Enels return with moon revelations. I cant see it being on Lodestar or Laugh Tale because, hey, that probably will 99% have to do with Shanks/Blackbeard. And the final war is everything this series is culminating to, so I personally cant see how the above will receive any sort of plot relevance without a centralized arc
They all need their moments before we hit the climax of this series, and i strongly believe a Vegapunk arc is likely the next major arc before the 4 you mention. Lets not forget God Valley is another egnimatic place now too, and with Shanks possibly being related to Rocks somehow (the age and the fact that Roger him and gave him the Strawhat is pretty coincidental otherwise), this might be the centralized "Shanks arc". Not sure if Beehive will be visited or anything though either. Blackbeard strikes me as Laugh Tale/Final War material anyway.
Imo, and this might honestly stupid to do:
- Vegapunk
- Elbaf
- Lodestar
- Final War/Laugh Tale (May include New Marineford, Mariejois, Fishman Island and its destruction and more)
Are our final arcs.
That goes to show that none of us know how the final war will even be constructed. We have reasons to believe Mariejois/FI will be destroyed, but that requires the story to go back to the halfway point on GL. Does that happen before or after Laugh Tale? Interesting right?
Vegapunk is strongly tied to the alliance saga, and no need to mention it since you already did. He only didn got brought up at Zou.
So while I do believe he could get revealed somewhere around Wano, either way in slme of the 'inbetweens' we'tr getting act by act, deploying or explaining the SSG, or he actually goes to Wano to find out whatever Orochi wants from him.Everything else you said, its endgame stuff, easily coming to its climax by the time Luffy gets to know about the truth of the world and resolving right afterwards in the final war.
Also, God Valley is gone that we know of.
The destruction of Gyojin Island must happen after Laugh Tale. No way they going back just for that and then back to the other side, and there is Kuma's fruit to do the jump, theres also no way they're just navigating it all again.
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We've seen the crew doing some cartography work just right after getting the 4 RP, you'te thinking of imaginary stuff that hasn't even been hinted at all, you can read poneglyphs? Good just collect the red ones and you get the location, there's no more to it at all.
And again, Elbaf, Laugh Tale and the final war are not 'if', those are happening 100%, any other would be wild guesses, tho I keep quite sure they landing into LodeStar as well.
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Vegapunk is strongly tied to the alliance saga, and no need to mention it since you already did. He only didn got brought up at Zou.
So while I do believe he could get revealed somewhere around Wano, either way in slme of the 'inbetweens' we'tr getting act by act, deploying or explaining the SSG, or he actually goes to Wano to find out whatever Orochi wants from him.Everything else you said, its endgame stuff, easily coming to its climax by the time Luffy gets to know about the truth of the world and resolving right afterwards in the final war.
Also, God Valley is gone that we know of.
The destruction of Gyojin Island must happen after Laugh Tale. No way they going back just for that and then back to the other side, and there is Kuma's fruit to do the jump, theres also no way they're just navigating it all again.
That i massively disagree with but to each their own. I personally dont think Kuma, Smoker, Caesar or Germa's next appearances in the story are endgame, and especially because Bonney and Urouge are the only 2 Supernpva left without an arc presence, which i think are being reserved for Vegapunk/Elbaf respectively
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Well, we literally never seen Weevil full-fledged as a Shichibukai so, if he got that treatment, I wouldn't certainly expect Ceasar to get as much focus as he already did.
Kuma is dead, and Smoker is definitely having his best moments by the time The Marines have to decide whose side are they with, The Sword trama just seems to solidify that there's an upcoming brawl within The Marines.
Bonney is connected to the revolutionaries now, so I suppose she's in whatever Dragon is going to do on the Sabo matter, if she didnt got caught(?)
Urouge, ah yes. Doesn't seem like he's landing in Wano as of now, and I genuinely dont know where could he get his focus, but hes definitely getting spotlight at some point in the series.
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Elbaf, Laugh Tale and Final War are points in the story to be addressed. Are they 3 separate arcs, no, not confirmed. That is headcanon. They could make up 2 arcs, if that is what it took Oda to address them.
Chapter counting again? The whole point of counting chapters is meaningless. In the end, will we be able to say, it took x amount of chapters to get to this point, so that's why Oda decided to end the manga at chapter 1080? I highly doubt it
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It depends of what is your level for 'everything'. Robby thinks Jinbe's scar is a must point whereas I don't care at all if it is explained or not and I'm not sure a Jinbe specific flashback is necessary (at least not the regular 10 chapters one)
I in no way think Jinbe's scar is a MUST plot point. If Oda never adresses it the series won't be weaker for it.
I do think its something Oda has in mind special since he went out of his way to avoid showing it, and Jinbe also wasn't doing his topknot fashion by the end of FI. So there's an important part of his personal history missing, and I can't help but wonder if its tied to Wano (along with Ace's visit) and thats part of the reason he was held back. If it was just a random battle scar why not just get it during the flashback during a timejump, the same way Mr.1, Smoker, Kidd and Zoro all did?
That aside it falls into the same territory as Brook's history as a soldier and Franky's dad. They're not things the story NEEDS to be complete, but they are conspicuous missing things that it would be richer for having. If Oda doesn't get to them in the interest of getting the overall series done half a year sooner, that's fine. That's not anywhere near the level of skipping the fourth poneglyph or meeting up with Shanks again.
As for Vegapunk, the way Oda has handled him so far he can literally drop him in anywhere at any time as surprise shock and it'll be fine, similar to Kuma showing up on Thriller Bark. It doesn't need any more build up or a specific location, it can happen out of the blue basically anytime, anywhere.
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Sanji's development was packaged with his backstory. So, I agree we didn't need the backstory, but development was necessary. However Oda chose to address it is the point. Not chapter count or if it deserved an arc. Which is what I continue to see some harp on. Does Oda say that he will spend 70+ chapters to address Sanji's development along with other things? I doubt this logic is applicable here
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I in no way think Jinbe's scar is a MUST plot point. If Oda never adresses it the series won't be weaker for it.
I do think its something Oda has in mind special since he went out of his way to avoid showing it, and Jinbe also wasn't doing his topknot fashion by the end of FI. So there's an important part of his personal history missing, and I can't help but wonder if its tied to Wano (along with Ace's visit) and thats part of the reason he was held back. If it was just a random battle scar why not just get it during the flashback during a timejump, the same way Mr.1, Smoker, Kidd and Zoro all did?
Especially since Inazuma has an identical scar. Same curvature, going over one of the eyes. It's like it's some person's signature.
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Well, we literally never seen Weevil full-fledged as a Shichibukai so, if he got that treatment, I wouldn't certainly expect Ceasar to get as much focus as he already did.
Kuma is dead, and Smoker is definitely having his best moments by the time The Marines have to decide whose side are they with, The Sword trama just seems to solidify that there's an upcoming brawl within The Marines.
Bonney is connected to the revolutionaries now, so I suppose she's in whatever Dragon is going to do on the Sabo matter, if she didnt got caught(?)
Urouge, ah yes. Doesn't seem like he's landing in Wano as of now, and I genuinely dont know where could he get his focus, but hes definitely getting spotlight at some point in the series.
I mean, we base this on the fact that an island hasnt been explicitly teased, but i feel like we need to stop assuming Elbaf and the EoS is all that's left. We dont even know where Wano is geographical on the GL. It could be the halfway point and you wouldn't know until Oda does 2 more islands befpre Elbaf or some wacky shit.
I only say Vegapunk because he quite literally is the most teased/centric character without a related arc, but every counterpoint you make could literally be that arc I am describing. It COULD involve the Revo's, Kuma, CP-0, Vegapunk, Smoker, Caesar, but its not Vegapunk centric and it may not be the final arc. Thats all im specifying.
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I've been saying this for years now, but I will be REALLY surprised if there isn't at least one surprise island left. If that's god valley or Lodestar or something else, I dunno. But for it to go Dresserossa-Zou-Big Mom-Wano-Elbaf-Raftel-War would mean that with the exception of Punk Hazard, we knew the entire sequence of the second half the series since Fishman Island, 10-15 years in advance, and that doesn't seem right or like Oda.
His announced 5 year timetable makes it iffier, but it'll be really weird if there isn't at least one more surprise locale with little or no foreshadowing to it, even if its just a short Amazon Lilly or Zou length arc.
Heck, back when "Fishman Island is next", we got Thriller Bark, Sabondy, Amazon Lilly, Impel Down, Marineford, and a timeskip before we finally actually got Fishman Island. Or when we hit up Drum before Alabasta. There haven't been any big surprises like that in a decade, and that's really weird.
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Things have been pretty straight forward since we entered the NW, and there's no signs of visiting a random island.
If anything we know that; The Missing RP was originally located at Gyojin Island>This have been Newgate's territory for quite some time>Gyojin Island got infested of pirates right after Roger's death.
So it makes sense that Newgate would move it to a different spot to keep it safe. BM had been holding FI since the timeskip but she never aknowledged having two RP now. Marco just told Neko to deliver a message to Luffy and BM's past is strongly connected to Elbaf.So we could go straight to Elbaf right after this, its just we're way to far from the crew deciding whats next but with Luffy completly unaware of Sabo and Alabasta, he has nothing to worry about.
I really dont get why people insist on God Valley when its been stated to be gone.
There's Lodestar to hype up for..Besides if Oda knew there was going to be a detour, then his 5 years comment has no value at all.
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I've been saying this for years now, but I will be REALLY surprised if there isn't at least one surprise island left. If that's god valley or the island before Raftel or something else, I dunno. But for it to go Dresserossa-Zou-Big Mom-Wano-Elbaf-Raftel-War would mean that with the exception of Punk Hazard, we knew the entire sequence of the second half the series since Fishman Island, 10-15 years in advance, and that doesn't seem right or like Oda.
His announced 5 year timetable makes it iffier, but it'll be really weird if there isn't at least one more surprise locale with little or no foreshadowing to it, even if its just a short Amazon Lilly or Zou length arc.
Heck, back when "Fishman Island is next", we got Thriller Bark, Sabondy, Amazon Lilly, Impel Down, Marineford, and a timeskip before we finally actually got Fishman Island. Or when we hit up Drum before Alabasta. There haven't been any big surprises like that in a decade, and that's really weird.
Exactly, this is what i mean. I can see him throwing a curveball, even if we know possibly what plot points are coming next/need to be addressed. Me personally, I dont see Elbaf next, but if it is, I still feel like there is an additional island out there before they head to Lodestar or Laugh Tale or initiate the final war.
Things have been pretty straight forward since we entered the NW, and there's no signs of visiting a random island.
If anything we know that; The Missing RP was originally located at Gyojin Island>This have been Newgate's territory for quite some time>Gyojin Island got infested of pirates right after Roger's death.
So it makes sense that Newgate would move it to a different spot to keep it safe. BM had been holding FI since the timeskip but she never aknowledged having two RP now. Marco just told Neko to deliver a message to Luffy and BM's past is strongly connected to Elbaf.So we could go straight to Elbaf right after this, its just we're way to far from the crew deciding whats next but with Luffy completly unaware of Sabo and Alabasta, he has nothing to worry about.
I really dont get why people insist on God Valley when its been stated to be gone.
There's Lodestar to hype up for..Besides if Oda knew there was going to be a detour, then his 5 years comment has no value at all.*
As the guy in the Interstellar movie would say "this little manoveur will costs us 10 more years"
1. Read the post above you. Nowhere is it specified Elbaf is next unlike the last 7-8 years where the plot has been driven by 2 Yonko. Additionally, we didnt even know we were going to take an 80 chapter detour to Whole Cake Island before Wano, much like how we didnt know we'd take a 160 chapter detour between Water 7 and Fishman island through a variety of locations.
2. God Valley is specified to be gone by the WG. IE: Removed from Maps, or covered up. It was never specified that it was destroyed.
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I was remembering how Komurasaki was the worst because she scammed some men and made them sell their families, and it was eventually revealed that these men were a con trio of people who take advantage of grieving families or some heinous shady shit. And that the buyers of those people haven’t been revealed yet, but Komurasaki has an entourage with a child we know for sure was sold, Otoko.
And that the hill that people won’t get over Oden “stealing” the wives of men on a very chauvinistic society, stealing and not kidnapping, meaning the speaker is talking about them as property, and them not wanting to come back, and Oden being the kind of person who kept trying to keep his entourage small before the retainers reached critical mass.
We know there is a Wano monastery somewhere with the missing people, that line was to tie Hyori and Oden together, sadly before she lost all her personality and IDGAF attitude with her alter ego.
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Besides if Oda knew there was going to be a detour, then his 5 years comment has no value at all.
Amazon Lilly and Zou were short 10 chapter things, and stuff like Davy Back and Jaya weren't much longer. A detour doesn't have to take long. And it can be what covers the needed ground for Vegapunk or the Revos or the Shanks reunion.
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Amazon Lilly and Zou were short 10 chapter things, and stuff like Davy Back and Jaya weren't much longer. A detour doesn't have to take long. And it can be what covers the needed ground for Vegapunk or the Revos or the Shanks reunion.
Well that doesnt quite go along with the series stretching out needlessly which was the point of the discussion.
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Guys, his " 5 year" comment was that he "would like" to finish in that time frame, not that he will.
He literally has specified that Skypiea was the halfway point over 15 years ago, are we really going to take Oda's time comments seriously ever?
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1. Read the post above you. Nowhere is it specified Elbaf is next unlike the last 7-8 years where the plot has been driven by 2 Yonko. Additionally, we didnt even know we were going to take an 80 chapter detour to Whole Cake Island before Wano, much like how we didnt know we'd take a 160 chapter detour between Water 7 and Fishman island through a variety of locations.
2. God Valley is specified to be gone by the WG. IE: Removed from Maps, or covered up. It was never specified that it was destroyed.
I'd say its pretty solid to claim that the next island we're going to its the location of the missing RP.
If that happens to be Elbaf, then we're in. This is where we could get another location we never heard of this far, but I'm certain that The Strongest Kingdom in the world its a perfect spot to hide it.Indeed, Totto Land was a detour from the original route, but we knew Luffy would go sooner or later, we just didnt know it was gonna be slammed right into the on going Kaido Saga.
I really just got that God Valley stuff as a hyping tool of how the brawl between Rox, Roger and Garp went, and foreshadowing for Luffy vs Teach doing the same or going even further destruction-wise.
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I'd say its pretty solid to claim that the next island we're going to its the location of the missing RP.
If that happens to be Elbaf, then we're in. This is where we could get another location we never heard of this far, but I'm certain that The Strongest Kingdom in the world its a perfect spot to hide it.Indeed, Totto Land was a detour from the original route, but we knew Luffy would go sooner or later, we just didnt know it was gonna be slammed right into the on going Kaido Saga.
I really just got that God Valley stuff as a hyping tool of how the brawl between Rox, Roger and Garp went, and foreshadowing for Luffy vs Teach doing the same or going even further destruction-wise.
That i vibe with. If God Valley has some sort of historical significance and a reason to go there, I can see it being something like that with Shanks/BB and Luffy.
Just saying this though since you mentioned how we knew we'd go to WCI sooner or later: Imagine Act 3 ends and it entirely teases Vegapunk's lab or the island he resides on, similarly to Beehive (not saying it will be visited, but who knows) or New Marineford or Mariejois or God Valley or Elbaf or Lodestar. Would you agree then that the story may shape up that as a destination then?
We know Vegapunk is located in the New World but not at any known government facility. We know Fujitora went to this location and thus its not New Marineford (Sakazuki prevented him from going back) or Mariejois. Oda has purposefully skipped over this location and didnt give us an update on Smoker being there. We know the Marine Science Corps is a pretty signficant division teased since Sentoumaru. Im just personally banking on this being another major location for the story. It, like some of the others, is probably one of the last unexplored locations this manga will go, but nonetheless we will see it, like we've seen Impel Down or Marineford.
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That i vibe with. If God Valley has some sort of historical significance and a reason to go there, I can see it being something like that with Shanks/BB and Luffy.
Just saying this though since you mentioned how we knew we'd go to WCI sooner or later: Imagine Act 3 ends and it entirely teases Vegapunk's lab or the island he resides on, similarly to Beehive (not saying it will be visited, but who knows) or New Marineford or Mariejois or God Valley or Elbaf or Lodestar. Would you agree then that the story may shape up that as a destination then?
We know Vegapunk is located in the New World but not at any known government facility. We know Fujitora went to this location and thus its not New Marineford (Sakazuki prevented him from going back) or Mariejois. Oda has purposefully skipped over this location and didnt give us an update on Smoker being there. We know the Marine Science Corps is a pretty signficant division teased since Sentoumaru. Im just personally banking on this being another major location for the story. It, like some of the others, is probably one of the last unexplored locations this manga will go, but nonetheless we will see it, like we've seen Impel Down or Marineford.
I would say yes, the SH's would go. Most imortantly cause I keep theorizing that Kuma's fruit will join the crew or at least help them up to jump places instead of navigating when World War sets off.
As of its location, since it shouldnt be that easy to get at and we're in the sea that is vastly dominated by pirates, his lab is either submerged or in a sky island.
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I would say yes, the SH's would go. Most imortantly cause I keep theorizing that Kuma's fruit will join the crew or at least help them up to jump places instead of navigating when World War sets off.
As of its location, since it shouldnt be that easy to get at and we're in the sea that is vastly dominated by pirates, his lab is either submerged or in a sky island.
But just as Robby said so, I subscribe to said visit not taking longer than 15 chapters at most.I can certainly see it being part of a larger arc, if thats the case (similar to Amazon Lily, Impel Down and Marineford comprising of a larger arc altogether). But yes i can agree on that front.
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@Gia:
Additionally, we didnt even know we were going to take an 80 chapter detour to Whole Cake Island before Wano,
We didn't know it was going to be a 2 year detour or that we were going there specifically, but it was really, really clear we were going to do a Big Mom arc before doing Kaidou, just due to how the world built him up as the bigger threat, so we couldn't do him first then Big Mom.
Before we got there though I assumed it would be more of a detour arc than the monster it turned out to be. I was estimating the series at 1200 chapters at the time, now I'm guessing closer to 1300.
@Gia:
Guys, his " 5 year" comment was that he "would like" to finish in that time frame, not that he will.
He literally has specified that Skypiea was the halfway point over 15 years ago, are we really going to take Oda's time comments seriously ever?
When Oda has traditionally given estimates, its been based on how much story there is left, not necessarily how many years. At the time he estimated Skypeia, he'd already done all the East Blue locales plus five more on the grandline (whiskey peak and laboon both being very short) … so he'd already done 12 or 13 locations that he'd been dreaming about for years, and at that point he was doing really well with keeping most arcs under 30 chapters. . Obviously as the crew and success of the series expanded, he started letting his enthusiasm baloon the length of the arcs so that Skypeia went two yers and Water 7 went three... but since Skypeia we've had 11 or 12 locations, with 3 or 4 known ones to go. In terms of places Oda planned to visit at that time, Skypeia was probably a pretty decent guess for halfway mark.
No one here believes Oda is going to finish in five years unless he really rushes and basically skips fights between here and the end. But he's made his intent clear, and even corrected his editor when his editor said that wouldn't happen. He also HAS been consistent with saying "the series is X%" done along the way and that number has been getting closer. It was 50% at the Redline, and 65% in 2016, and 80% in 2018. Combined with things like making Luffy an Emporer, revealing the Emporer bounties, revealing Im, wrapping up most of the supernovas now, disbanding the warlords, and as much about One Piece, Roger, and "Laugh Tale" as he has recently, he IS gearing up for the end and starting to give us end details..
Oda knows better than any of us how much story is left and how much will be involved in any given place, but yeah he has a habit of it expanding past what he originally envisioned... but he has also said in more recent interviews that he needs to curtail his ideas at least some so the story can reach an ending. This last flashback was pretty long but it also pretty much cut out the need to do a lengthy Roger flashback 3 years from now when we get to Raftel.
(Also. Oda said "five years" back in September, its been half a year since then.)
Prior to this flashback I assumed he needed at least 10 more years, and since that would put the series at 33 years, they'd stretch a little one way or another to get it to 35 years. 12 years to go, despite his estimate of five. That seemed like Oda!
But after the info he's put out lately and how much he packed into some chapters recently... he clearly really IS putting his foot down on having an end goal in sight. I think a few more montages and he can manage it in 7-8, finishing up by the 30th anniversary in 2027... which would be pretty close to the timetable of his 80% estimate in 2018 (where raw math put it at 29 years.).
How big the fighting portion of Wano turns out to be and how many random threads get resolved during it will be telling. If Wano takes another 2 years to do then no way he's going to finish that quick, but if we get to the action and just spend the next year or so on it? Pace it basically like how the Marineford War paced out? Lots of players and big moments but not a lot of drawn out individual fights? Timetable makes some sense.
Wano-1 more year
Elbaf-1 year
Raftel-1 year
Unkowns (Vegapunk, Shanks, revos, etc.) -1 year
War-3 years (including a solid year of strawhats getting one on one fights)
Epilogue7 or 8 years reasonably, with some cut corners here or there. Like I said, we'll have a better idea of a timetable when we see how much longer Wano actually takes, and how many Big mom threads it wraps up in the meantime. Elbaf doesn't have to be a huge year long arc, (we've already seen plenty of giants and their culture so...) it could be a short 20 chapter thing, or coincidentally where the Shanks reunion is. As important as Raftel is, the secret to getting there and the history of Joy Boy, and a two page spread of the mountain of gold, are the only things really needed there. The lost history is way more important than the actual island or there being an unusual conflict on it. I have it slotted for a year but it could just as easily be a really short Jaya style arc that just works to lead into the war. (Especially with however Blackbeard and ancient weapons end up tying into it.)
If Oda ditches the huge ensemble after Wano and its just Strawhats again for a while, that'll go a long ways towards streamlining the final arcs.
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Maybe Vegapunk's lab is a moving facility and it will appear wherever it needs to for the plot. We've seen some moving locations lately with Zou and Germa Kingdom.
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iirc the original 5-year comment was made during the interview wivh Fischers tha was recorded around summer 2019.
So yeah, if you believe that OP has 4.3 years left at this point there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you.
And lest we forget, Oda's very own words in the YouTube vid are "I'd like to finish in 5 years."
Where applicable, underpromise and over-deliver. Entertainment juggernauts understand this.
Also…never thought I'd see the day where I have to turn down an invitation from The Man but coronavirus was like "Hold my beer." Travel within the country is just too risky and I can't gamble going all the way to Tokyo. Rats... Next time!
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Yeah I mean, do we already know what was that thing that lifted Capone's ship when he entered the NW?
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We didn't know it was going to be a 2 year detour or that we were going there specifically, but it was really, really clear we were going to do a Big Mom arc before doing Kaidou, just due to how the world built him up as the bigger threat, so we couldn't do him first then Big Mom.
Before we got there though I assumed it would be more of a detour arc than the monster it turned out to be. I was estimating the series at 1200 chapters at the time, now I'm guessing closer to 1300.
When Oda has traditionally given estimates, its been based on how much story there is left, not necessarily how many years. At the time he estimated Skypeia, he'd already done all the East Blue locales plus five more on the grandline (whiskey peak and laboon both being very short) … so he'd already done 12 or 13 locations that he'd been dreaming about for years, and at that point he was doing really well with keeping most arcs under 30 chapters. . Obviously as the crew and success of the series expanded, he started letting his enthusiasm baloon the length of the arcs so that Skypeia went two yers and Water 7 went three... but since Skypeia we've had 11 or 12 locations, with 3 or 4 known ones to go. In terms of places Oda planned to visit at that time, Skypeia was probably a pretty decent guess for halfway mark.
No one here believes Oda is going to finish in five years unless he really rushes and basically skips fights between here and the end. But he's made his intent clear, and even corrected his editor when his editor said that wouldn't happen. He also HAS been consistent with saying "the series is X%" done along the way and that number has been getting closer. It was 50% at the Redline, and 65% in 2016, and 80% in 2018. Combined with things like making Luffy an Emporer, revealing the Emporer bounties, revealing Im, wrapping up most of the supernovas now, disbanding the warlords, and as much about One Piece, Roger, and "Laugh Tale" as he has recently, he IS gearing up for the end and starting to give us end details..
Oda knows better than any of us how much story is left and how much will be involved in any given place, but yeah he has a habit of it expanding past what he originally envisioned... but he has also said in more recent interviews that he needs to curtail his ideas at least some so the story can reach an ending. This last flashback was pretty long but it also pretty much cut out the need to do a lengthy Roger flashback 3 years from now when we get to Raftel.
(Also. Oda said "five years" back in September, its been half a year since then.)
Prior to this flashback I assumed he needed at least 10 more years, and since that would put the series at 33 years, they'd stretch a little one way or another to get it to 35 years. 12 years to go, despite his estimate of five. That seemed like Oda!
But after the info he's put out lately and how much he packed into some chapters recently... he clearly really IS putting his foot down on having an end goal in sight. I think a few more montages and he can manage it in 7-8, finishing up by the 30th anniversary in 2027... which would be pretty close to the timetable of his 80% estimate in 2018 (where raw math put it at 29 years.).
How big the fighting portion of Wano turns out to be and how many random threads get resolved during it will be telling. If Wano takes another 2 years to do then no way he's going to finish that quick, but if we get to the action and just spend the next year or so on it? Pace it basically like how the Marineford War paced out? Lots of players and big moments but not a lot of drawn out individual fights? Timetable makes some sense.
Wano-1 more year
Elbaf-1 year
Raftel-1 year
Unkowns (Vegapunk, Shanks, revos, etc.) -1 year
War-3 years (including a solid year of strawhats getting one on one fights)
Epilogue7 or 8 years reasonably, with some cut corners here or there. Like I said, we'll have a better idea of a timetable when we see how much longer Wano actually takes, and how many Big mom threads it wraps up in the meantime. Elbaf doesn't have to be a huge year long arc, (we've already seen plenty of giants and their culture so...) it could be a short 20 chapter thing, or coincidentally where the Shanks reunion is. As important as Raftel is, the secret to getting there and the history of Joy Boy, and a two page spread of the mountain of gold, are the only things really needed there. The lost history is way more important than the actual island or there being an unusual conflict on it. I have it slotted for a year but it could just as easily be a really short Jaya style arc that just works to lead into the war. (Especially with however Blackbeard and ancient weapons end up tying into it.)
If Oda ditches the huge ensemble after Wano and its just Strawhats again for a while, that'll go a long ways towards streamlining the final arcs.
Personally i beg to differ. Kaido was the more tangible goal. Everything from Punk Hazard on was about hurting Kaido and not really Big Mom. If you believe BM isnt going down this arc, and is possibly a central antagonist to Elbaf, then she'd be after Kaido, a supposed "bigger" threat. Im with Greg on that.
Also with Greg on Oda's estimations. They are grossly misinterpreted and often taken too literally.
And Wano ending in 40 chapters (1 year), with the number of plot points unaddressed, with rhe number of clashes that need to be drawn, with the number of character motivations not even fully explored yet, sounds horribly off pace. This arc will 100% eclipse dressrosa, its not even funny, especially since Oda extends the arc as he goes (usually the final conflicts are almost as long as the first half of an indicated arc; refer to Water 7/Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, Fishman Island, Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, and WCI most recently). And i personally STILL dont even know if we've hit the 50% mark on this arc because of that. Just remember this moment, and dont be surprised Wano goes into the 1030's or 1040's.
With all due respect, we say this about every potential arc, that it doesnt have to be long.
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That Elbaf doesnt have to be "Long"
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Or Vegapunk
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Or Laugh Tale
Yet for 90% of the New World, arcs have lasted nearly 50 chapters or more, with Zo being the sole exception.
Tldr: I will never trust or listen to Oda's comments about where he is in the story or people that try and explain HOW he can resolve the sheer number of plot points constrained in that timeframe.
Edit: i should clarify Robby that the first paragraph is the only argument against yours, the rest I undersrand, and somewhat agree with. I just think trying to guesswork whats left in Oda's story and trying togically fit it in a 4.5 year timeframe is funny (again, not you, just other people so seem ADAMANT on the story ending at exactly 1200.)
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I will never let that go. His crew survived whatever that was. The old lady that approached Urouge. I guess those were just their intro to the New World. Maybe it's not worth addressing, idk. I do know that we've gotten a lil insight into who Bonney was pissed over and the outcome of Drake visiting Kaido's spot.
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Don't like how we never found out more about it.
Or that creepy umbrella lady.
And would have been cool to have SH stumble onto a freak island not unlike what other Supernovas encountered. Basically I want another Skypiea, might as well admit it. :ninja:
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When Law 'cut the gear', it was an important moment that began the soft broadcast that we're not just wandering around.
Then he literally had Zoro (of all people) show us that we're on a one-way ride to Kaido.
His speed and ceasing to follow up on small tertiary mysteries are facts he's been trying to slowly let us adjust to.
Reading much of Marinford in realtime and forward well into my adulthood and study of One Piece, I saw the message loud and clear but I think fans who were reading as teens and attached major expectations to those tertiary aspects were bound to be left feeling unfulfilled. There's not really much to say except, yup, expectation is the death of entertainment (depending what regard you hold your own expectations in).
This sting for young adult fans is made far more painful by the avoidance of fights.
Whether Oda deserves criticism for this is a different issue, but he has been busy broadcasting these changes for almost a decade now.
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@ Razh
I do too X(
Sometimes I imagine Elbaf and its huge ass tree (which i call Yggdrassil for now lol) connect to various islands and sky islands.
You can literally see in BMs flashback massive structures behind Elbaf, like they are just additional branches connecting to other islands from Elbaf.
Id love it if we got another big adventure arc that had Luffy and his fill crew just searching the hell out of Elbaf and islands its tree connects to for the last Road Poneglyph or something.
Edit: Meanwhile, Greg makes a post about limiting your expectations XDDD
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Or Bege just doesnt remember.
He got abducted, a probe was shoved into his rectum and got his memories wiped off.
Vegapunk's favorite hobby might be playing the Alien, since he's likely behind the Space Pirates.
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@Gia:
Guys, his " 5 year" comment was that he "would like" to finish in that time frame, not that he will.
He literally has specified that Skypiea was the halfway point over 15 years ago, are we really going to take Oda's time comments seriously ever?
He actually really meant 5 years. And in the following months both Naito to an Italian Youtuber (named Sommobuta) and the boss of the anime at a Saudi Arabia con confirmed this "5 years" quote
(Naito even said "5 years? Even less!"). My theory is that Oda gave himself this "ending in 5 years" challenge,to try to dont go too slow with the story. With this objective in mind,even if he doesnt really ends the manga in 5 years,he stills obtain the objective to be syinthetic when he needs to be. -
@Gia:
Personally i beg to differ. Kaido was the more tangible goal. Everything from Punk Hazard on was about hurting Kaido and not really Big Mom.
She was set up first on Sabondy and Fishman Island, and again, the narrative made it very clear that Kaidou was the biiger nastier thing everyone was scared of, that would take a mega super alliance to deal with. Big Mom had to come first because nothing in the narrative indicated she was scarier than him. Add in things like Lola being fine and that the Fishmen were okay being under her, it seemed like there'd be some way for it to work out for them to be friends after conflict. She didn't need to be physically beaten to be overcome.
And while the "friends" thing hasn't happened yet, the loose threads there are still those threads. Her amnesia mode and missing memories and pudding seem like its going to work out that way in the long run.
If you believe BM isnt going down this arc, and is possibly a central antagonist to Elbaf, then she'd be after Kaido, a supposed "bigger" threat.
She doesn't have to be the big bad boss to be involved in Elbaf, she just needs her stuff resolved there. Especially if her action beats get in during Wano.
Axe Hand Morgan is going to show up again someday somewhere, but he's not going to take fifty chapters to beat.
And Wano ending in 40 chapters (1 year), with the number of plot points unaddressed, with rhe number of clashes that need to be drawn, with the number of character motivations not even fully explored yet, sounds horribly off pace. This arc will 100% eclipse dressrosa, its not even funny, especially since Oda extends the arc as he goes (usually the final conflicts are almost as long as the first half of an indicated arc; refer to Water 7/Enies Lobby, Thriller Bark, Fishman Island, Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, and WCI most recently). And i personally STILL dont even know if we've hit the 50% mark on this arc because of that. Just remember this moment, and dont be surprised Wano goes into the 1030's or 1040's.
All the setup for Wano is done. All that remains is the action. We're at that half mark now, onto the half of arc that's all combat. What needs to be done there? What has been promised? Beating Kaidou. Zou guys go moon form. Maybe Zunisha shows up and dies. Beating Orochi. Stalling out Big mom until she Amnesias again or leaves.
Kaidou is the only thing that will take signficant on-panel time. All the other bits and pieces we've been promised can happen individually pretty fast, especially if we get marineford style quick cut battle bits, rather than Enies Lobby style extended 1 on 1s. None of Kaidou;'s underlings have been set up as big deals that need lots of time to beat, we've even seen Big Mom completely manhandle Queen. Jack hasn't even shown up again to remind us to be intimidated by him.
Heck, Oda can always do what he did on Thriller Bark and have a big giant crush a whole mess of underlings that would otherwise have been lengthy fights.
If it does escalate and go full out with fighting all of Big Mom's kids again, and the Marines come in, and Moria shows up, and whatever else… thats fine, that just means there's less leftovers to do in Elbaf and the final war.
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Did we really need to see Sanji vs Page 1? If Sanji beat him, he's just a stepping stone to a real opponent for Sanji later on. If Sanji just escaped, that is more reason to skip it.
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Robby Kaido can still get a lot more goons, we have the numbers (probably nine of them) page one and the rest of the flying six and a bunch of Big Mom's kids and god knows based of Kaido's card game theme he may have an actual ace up his sleeve
Also Apoo and probably more headliners, Ninjas and yakuza
And I really really really hope we don't get Marine Ford style clashes and get the one on one fights we've been waiting for
I mean seriously almost none of the straw hats have gotten true one on ones the entire post time skip length
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He actually really meant 5 years. And in the following months both Naito to an Italian Youtuber (named Sommobuta) and the boss of the anime at a Saudi Arabia con confirmed this "5 years" quote
(Naito even said "5 years? Even less!"). My theory is that Oda gave himself this "ending in 5 years" challenge,to try to dont go too slow with the story. With this objective in mind,even if he doesnt really ends the manga in 5 years,he stills obtain the objective to be syinthetic when he needs to be.No.
Oda said and meant he wants to finish in five years.
Never that he will.
I believe he wanted to finish in five years (now 4.3) but that is obviously not going to happen.
Can he finish in 4.3 years? Yes.
He can finish next week if he wants to. But he won't
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we have the numbers (probably nine of them) page one and the rest of the flying six and a bunch of Big Mom's kids and god knows based of Kaido's card game theme he may have an actual ace up his sleeve
Also Apoo and probably more headliners, Ninjas and yakuza
They're all fodders.
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Robby Kaido can still get a lot more goons, we have the numbers (probably nine of them) page one and the rest of the flying six and a bunch of Big Mom's kids and god knows based of Kaido's card game theme he may have an actual ace up his sleeve
Also Apoo and probably more headliners, Ninjas and yakuza
And I really really really hope we don't get Marine Ford style clashes and get the one on one fights we've been waiting for
I mean seriously almost none of the straw hats have gotten true one on ones the entire post time skip length
The Oniwabanshu and the Samurai squad seem to be all there is for Orochi.
Kyoshiro remains the only relevant yakuza
Apoo and Drake are switching sides
The numbers are just big I guess.I got the strong feeling, several people are going to be defeated in packs.
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Whenever it is about how many years the story has left, my mind always wanders to just how many backstories Oda still has to get yet. There's of course Kaido, the whole Rocks business (involving Garp, Roger, Big Mom, Kaido, Bakkins and the man himself), Joy Boy & the Void Century, Kuma & Bonney, Shanks, Blackbeard, Dragon and probably also guys like Vegapunk, Sakazuki and Loki. Sure, he can combine them, shorten them or just use some exposition instead, but to me all of that added together still sounds like a solid year of flashbacks alone.
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I can't say don't get excited for what may or may not happen in terms of fights because that's the antithesis of what anyone wants.
But I would urge don't get attached to what you think may or may not happen.
Readers are starting to treat the author doing what they don't expect to happen as a betrayal. And that's just gross.
Io the story is poor (and One Piece has its share of stinkers) then absolutely criticize! But because your fantasy fight didn't work out, don't be salty.
Manga is getting to be like a sport now with everyone rooting for their outcome rather than enjoying the journey. Ew.
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She was set up first on Sabondy and Fishman Island, and again, the narrative made it very clear that Kaidou was the biiger nastier thing everyone was scared of, that would take a mega super alliance to deal with. Big Mom had to come first because nothing in the narrative indicated she was scarier than him. Add in things like Lola being fine and that the Fishmen were okay being under her, it seemed like there'd be some way for it to work out for them to be friends after conflict. She didn't need to be physically beaten to be overcome.
And while the "friends" thing hasn't happened yet, the loose threads there are still those threads. Her amnesia mode and missing memories and pudding seem like its going to work out that way in the long run.
She doesn't have to be the big bad boss to be involved in Elbaf, she just needs her stuff resolved there. Especially if her action beats get in during Wano.My response has nothing to do with her being a less threat, it has to do with Luffy still wanting to overcome her regardless. If this happens in Wano with Kaido, cool/fine/awesome. If it doesn't, and Luffy still wants to fight her or she continues to chase him for X reason, then its a post-Wano plot and she could be central to Elbaf.
Anyway, we are assuming her outcome in the story right now, so this really is a non-argument.All the setup for Wano is done. All that remains is the action. What needs to be done there? What has been promised? Beating Kaidou. Zou guys go moon form. Maybe Zunisha shows up and dies. Beating Orochi. Stalling out Big mom until she Amnesias again or leaves.
Everything you aren't mentioning:
- Literally all of the setup that still needs to happen to get them to Onigashima. We started the flashback on a cliffhanger. Nobody was where they needed be. How do they fix this situation?
- Hiyori and Kyoshiro's relevance to the remainder of the arc. Hiyori has 13 years unaccounted for. There is clearly something going on here. They are not at Onigashima.
- More history behind Kaido/Linlin/Rocks. There will clearly be more flashbacks besides Oden's.
- Whatever hidden history Wano actually has with the world and why it needed to be isolated.
- Whatever the fuck Onigashima actually and how it ties to Wano's geography.
- Finding the road poneglyph in Kaido's mansion. There was a poneglyph mentioned to be in Orochi's castle and described oddly enough for them to return there.
- Kid, Law, Hawkins, Drake an Apoo's actual motivation and relevance for the remainder of the arc.
- Momonosuke in general if he isn't going to Onigashima.
- Jinbe and Nekomamushi's appearance (yes, will probably happen during the fighting)
- Outcomes of Orochi destroying the leftover towns.
- The fact that we can't even fully be sure Onigashima is the "final" location of battle right now. Shit may pool right back into the capital.
- How you close the arc for 30 plus characters. Dressrosa had nearly 10 chapters dedicated to an arc conclusion and tying up loose ends. Wano is more than twice as big a DR in terms of characters.
Kaidou is the only thing that will take signficant on-panel time. All the other bits and pieces we've been promised can happen individually pretty fast, especially if we get marineford style quick cut battle bits, rather than Enies Lobby style extended 1 on 1s.
Considering Jack, Queen (ok he has a bit from Udon) and King have yet to have significant moments this arc, and considering how little we know about them, I beg to differ. Not to mention that he hasn't even shown off 4 Flying Six members and 8/9 Numbers. The action can't just be "action". There will be exposition, dialogue, explanations, etc etc etc UNTIL the action is justified, however little or a lot there is. That includes Orochi and Kaido's subordintes. Marineford managed to do this in 30 chapters yes, but there were a hell of a lot less named characters in Marineford.
Dresserossa took about two years, but the actual action bit after the arena was done and the the doll effect undone? The doll effect ended in 743, and from there to the end including Sabo wrapping up the tournament, all of Dofla's underlings and Pica and colloseum guys getting fights and Luffy's gear 4 fight and Usopp taking on Sugar again, to Luffy beating Dofla and ending the Birdcage was chapter 792. ABout 50 chapters, a year's worth. Oda takes more breaks now, so 50 chapters takes 14 or 15 months instead of 12, but still talking just rough estimates, a year's worth..
Dreserossa then had several chapters of wrap up after that setting up the next arcs and the reprecussions, but all in all, about a year of solid action. And… Kaidou has less named goons than Dofla did.Like I said…about half of the arc was mainly the "climax"/assault on Doflamingo right? 43 chapters it took to get to that moment, another 50 to even take him down. We are at 63 chapters in Wano and we aren't even at "that moment" yet. The "assault" hasn't actually even begun. And Kaido has a lot less "named goons" because haven't been shown yet lol.
You go back and look at any of the long arcs, once Oda had the setup and story stuff done, it was about a year of action. Alabasta, Water 7, Marineford, Dresserossa, Cakeland… there's a certain pace to how long the extended battles can go and Oda doesn't go much past that.
If it does escalate and go full out with fighting all of Big Mom's kids again, and the Marines come in, and Moria shows up, and whatever else... thats fine, that just means there's less leftovers to do in Elbaf and the final war.Like I said, its about half-worth the arc.
- Alabasta was 60ish chapters. The fighting lasted about 30 (not a year).
- Water 7 and Enies Lobby are almost split 50/50, 53 and 56 chapters respectively (more than a year).
- Thriller bark is about 50 chapters. The first 20 is exposition. The next 20 is fighting (so not a year). The next 10 is Brooks flashback and arc closing.
- Fishman Island/Punk Hazard, same deal as above (not a year).
- I explained Dressrosa already.
- WCI is quite literally 35 chapters exposition, 40 chapters of pure action/chaos.
Oda tends make his action bits nearly as long as his exposition. Wano is 63 chapters on exposition alone! Could we estimate how much action is there? IDK, but just based on prior history alone pits Wano to have 50-60 chapters of conflict, and possibly even more. Yes, I expect this war to be much more personal and intense than Marineford was. Why? Because Luffy isn't the only POV here. Now you have his whole crew, Supernova, the 9 Scabbards and other named allies. If Dressrosa can mark up 50 chapters of conflict without half Luffy's crew and the Strawhat Fleet, then Wano can do even more with 3x the number of named characters. Not to mention the villains NEED to go down here. There is no morally grey event like Marineford, were outcomes between either side weren't important. Good will defeat bad here. We will see Kaido and Orochi's armies getting crushed here. It won't be like Marineford.
Now, again, I really don't have expectations with the war. It can go as fast or as slow as it needs to be. I am just explaining my reasonings for why I don't think it ill go fast. There is too much left to be done. Too much plot to still wrap up. Can it be rushed? Sure. Will it? Doubt. He normally doesn't, if ever.
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Pure speculation on my part. I'm up for the ride whatever happens. I feel like we'll have 4 big 'arcs' / stories after Wano.
-Vegapunk
-Elbaf
-Teach
-Final IslandThat's not to say these are the only 'arcs' we'll see… more likethe four big story bins that I think collect ideas together pretty well.
A Vegapunk centric arc seems like it would make a lot of sense. I don't really fully get the context of his remarks from Jump Festa, but this would seem to unite the stories of Hancock, Vivi, and Sabo. The Revolutionaries were looking for the source of the weapons being sold through Doflamingo's underworld black market. Liquor ore was said to be fairly unique and could be used to trace them to their origin. We know Aegis Zero was dealing with Doflamingo and is also connected with Vegapunk. It would make a lot of sense - we still don't know what's special about Momo's artificial fruit. After an arc dealing with SMILE users jumping into a story where we learn about what devil fruit actually are would fit. There's the SSG that Oda set up; Caesar has a unique Vivre card color and category (scientist), so I feel like Vegapunk and other members of the SSG could fill out this category. It would also continue the Vinsmoke storyline and finally allow the Straw Hats to intersect with the Revolutionaries in a major way if there is some sort of 'rescue Sabo' operation involved. Smoker and Tashigi set out with the kids from Punk Hazard to bring them to Vegapunk's current location. They were still en route the last time we saw them and they were not present with other Marines at Reverie. I feel like this could finally 'break' Smoker's allegiance to the Marines if there is some deep corruption involving the upper echelons of the Marines (Kizaru). Bonney and Kuma's story could also be connected here. Bonney and Urogue are the only two Supernovas to not yet play a major role in a story arc. I feel like Oda will not leave them out. We already know Bonney will have an important role to play whenever we get around to Kuma. I've got other theories. Maybe Vegapunk can see the future or comes from the future (opposite of Toki's power); an apocalyptic land where Im / the Celestials have achieved their ultimate goals. I feel like Vegapunk could be working within the Government to ultimately undo their plans from within. Maybe the Straw Hats meet up with Vivi again! Could she sail with them? If Smoker disavows the Marines could he join them? (my own pet theories, don't judge me). I feel like this could be a diversion from the quest to seek out the last Road Poneglyph. Maybe they go to rescue Sabo. Maybe they go to rescue Vivi. Maybe the connection comes through Jimbei. Vegapunk's new weapon is being used to target and round up the warlords. Maybe they go after even the ex-Warlords as a show of strength, which would include Jimbei, now aboard the Sunny. Oh and this would be a good way to wrap up the 'underworld brokers' from Punk Hazard without dedicating an arc to them. Basically, I feel like the story could be about the relationship between the SSG, Aegis Zero, and the Marines. The inciting incident could be related to Vegapunk's Weapon / the Seven Warlords, drawing the Straw Hats into the conflict. The Revolutionaries could be involved because of the Liquor Ore / Sabo connection.
Elbaf seems very likely to me. Loki and a royal family of Viking giants based on Norse Mythology? Check. Yggdrasil? Check. Maybe the 'World Tree' in One Piece extends into the heavens with the 'missing moons' from Clover's globe stuck in the branches. It could give us our space arc mixed in with the Viking / Giant arc. Eneru's return could be incorporated (wasn't there a giant living atop Jack's bean stalk, the namesake of Giant Jack?). Could be an opportunity for Urogue to enter the story and play an important role. Maybe we learn about Uranus. I feel like Uranus will be connected to the moon(s); The 'weapons' are a ship and a mermaid princess capable of guiding the Sea Kings - both related to aspects of the ocean. The moon(s) control the world's tides and thus something to control or manipulate their motion could be considered a 'weapon'. The markings on the moon discovered by Eneru could allude to this. I've got a theory that the missing moons are stuck in the branches of Yggdrasil (connecting the 'nine realms / worlds'). Perhaps in the past they were free. The Minks call Sulong their 'true form', yet they only assume it during a full moon. This could be explained if there were once multiple moons freely traveling the sky. If Carrot continues to travel with the Straw Hats / joins the crew, this could be an opportunity for her to master Sulong at will. I don't think the Final Road Poneglyph is located on Elbaf. 26 years ago, Roger found the Poneglyphs on Zou, Wano, Fishman Island, and Whole Cake Island. So Linlin already had her poneglyph at that time. The missing Road Poneglyph was on Fishman Island in the past. It was gone by the time Linlin took over the island, otherwise she would have taken it for herself and added it to her collection. The civilizations entrusted with Poneglyphs are all old and specifically, those entrusted with the Road Poneglyphs would seem to have a direct relationship to Joy Boy with overt moon / sun symbolism (Minks, Fishmen, and Kozuki). I imagine the Giants were entrusted with a Road Poneglyph - and that it was stolen by Linlin and thus is in her possession. This would mean the Straw Hats already have the Road Poneglyph belonging to the Giants. In this case, it seems likely that Whitebeard, knowing the value of these stones, hid the Fishman Island stone elsewhere. I do think Linlin will still be around for this arc.
Teach arc - I don't believe Teach is the final villain. I think he'll form a 'New Rocks.' The fight could take place over the final Road Poneglyph. Maybe it happens on God Valley. I feel like this is a place we will definitely see. It would make a lot of sense. I believe all of the Emperors are connected to this place in some way. Whitebeard, Linlin, Kaido, and Roger all fought there. Luffy's grandfather fought alongside Roger. Many have speculated that Teach is the child of Xebec and honestly, it makes a ton of sense. Now, I believe Shanks is also a child of God Valley. He's 39 years old - born the same year as the God Valley Incident. Roger left the Grand Line for 13 years following the God Valley Incident. The Roger Pirates remark, when Momo and Hiyori come aboard the Oro Jackson, that has been a long time since they have had a baby aboard their ship. Shanks tells Whitebeard he was raised on an island in the West Blue, not that he was born in the West Blue (checked multiple translations). Shanks is able to call a meeting of the Five Elders. I believe he is a child of the Celestial Dragons targeted by Xebec. He and Teach would thus be fated enemies. Perhaps some information related to this truth was shared by Roger to Shanks following the voyage to Laugh Tale, explaining Shanks tears (learning the truth of the Celestials and his heritage). Maybe there's something extra special about the Celestial Dragons on God Valley - the only ones we know of to permanently reside outside Marijoa. God Valley would make a hell of a hiding place for the final Road Poneglyph considering the island itself has 'vanished'. Luffy defeats Teach, comes into possession of the final Road Poneglyph and ventures on to the Final Island...
I think Lodestar and Laugh Tale could be shorter arcs like Zou. Laugh Tale, I feel, will be all about learning the True History - I don't expect a battle; This seems like build up for the real conflict....
Then the Final War - the Straw Hats shouldering centuries of history, learning the truth of the world, uniting with allies from throughout their journey to confront the great darkness that has controlled the world for 800 years - Im and its armies. I imagine this could be a fairly lengthy saga - involving some extensive traveling around the world, the destruction of Fishman Island, revival of the ancient 'weapons', and the fulfillment of the Straw Hats dreams.
Just my theory about the progression of events. Not saying this all will happen. Just the general sense of where I think things could be going and how some of the dangling plot threads could be bundled together.
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None of these continue the development pattern of the crew. Ussop got focused development in Dressrosa. He inched closer to his goal. There was a whole narrative surrounding it. Sanji not only got development, it was packaged with his backstory that was presented in a Yonko arc. Zoro is currently getting focus in that same vein. There might or might not be a connection between those that started his village and Wano. Even if you eliminate that and it's not anything deep, he is getting development as a VC. It has been done subtly and direct at times. Zoro being the one that reminds the crew what is at stake or the circumstance/reality of the situation. While Luffy is locked up, he keeps getting tangled into his own journey through this country from the history with Ryuuma, to the people of Ebisu Town, etc.
Are we sure that this doesn't continue? Do the other crewmates get this treatment or is it only for the "execs" (fanmade Sanji, Zoro and Usopp) ? I don't see this included in your speculation of the 4 arcs. The others kind of skipped over it as well