I just ran into a yiga clan member, beat him/her and got all this stuff then I got killed 2 seconds later and none of that seemed to have saved :(
does anyone know how the Yiga clan works??? is there a set ammount of them? do they always appear in the same spots? or do they just randomly occur?
Not 100% sure, but as far as I can tell, Yiga appearances are pretty much random and, no, they never go away.
Just don't talk to nameless travelers. Good people have names.
There are certain places they always appear in disguise (no matter how many times you kill them). Those probably respawn with blood moons but maybe with a different frequency. There are places around the hideout that always have them, and after a certain event trigger (forget the exact requirement) they will start attacking you randomly all over the world map.
Just now I discovered this comcept art of Link's Father and Sister.
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Beat my first Divine beast!!!
the elephant one
I feel like the little guardians shouldn't be giving me nearly as much trouble as they do, I really suck at this game lol
The little guardians are easy once you figure out how to dodge their attacks (I can't remember which had the weapon I couldn't dodge for shit).
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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So now I'm on the Gorgon Divine Beast, and the set up just seems lame compared to the Zora one, I mean in the Zora one it seemed like" OK this is definitely what the game wants me to go", the zora prince is leading me where to do battle with the divine beast, there's shit tons of fish and weapons to get on your way there, so you totally feel like your ready to do battle when you get there, and the whole kingdom is counting on you, and the king and his men are super pumped that you are there and are calling you the hero they need…. and now I just started the Gorgon one, and no one came and told me I was going in the right direction, and I got there and the people don't know who I am, there's just some random gorgon who's like "I'm the boss around here and I need you to find the guy who gives me my pain medication."…. I mean that's where I'm at right now, but I'm just not feeling it
also I got this flame resistant armor from a Guy I sold some lizards to.... and now where I'm at I'm still getting heat burns, I'm guessing I have to buy the whole armor set..... man I'm so bad at this game
For the longest time I was trying to figure out which Guardian Beast could look like it has hair made of snakes until I realised you meant Goron.
Yes, you do require the full set of armour to get the flame resistant effect. If you don't have it yet, I think there's another NPC who can sell you Flame Resistance potions.
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Pretty sure you only need two pieces of armor, not the full set. Same with cold resistance. But yeah.
Only the female gerudo armor requires the 3 pieces.
That's the only armor in the game that requires 3 pieces? Really? I was sure that was the norm. Shows how much of a newbie I am still at this game. haha
The only one to activate it's environmental protection, to be clear.
Most armors have each piece offering "+1 <environment resist="">", and the areas only need 2 for cold, heat and fire, in order to leave you one slot to min-max or the sand/snow boots, or to stealth, or the kokor mask or whatever, and then the set bonus being an " <element>proof", while the Female Gerudo set having no individual bonus, but the set giving you the heat resist, (can't remember if it's +1 or +2).</element></environment>
Woah, seriously? I completed the game 100% and I never realised I only needed two of each set.
I'd probably still use all three pieces anyway because using only 2 feels "off" to me.
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I recently used my overabundance of Platinum Points on mynintendo to get Spirit Tracks cheap on the Wii U. I remember having to quit playing it on the DS because that ridiculously stupid pipe playing thing was so badly controlled due to the microphone being a piece of crap, and I thought the Wii U pad and TV might be a better way to make it work. Sure enough, I can't even get past the very first pipe playing challenge. Is there any advice anyone can give regarding this? It renders the game damn near unplayable.
Cautiously optimistic I think? The areas they showed look 100% faithful to the original, and the music sounds decent.
Why weren't you at Elf Practice, Link?!
Looks pretty hype to me. I want to see more.
This was rumored for a long time, so glad to see it finally confirmed. I have to say, it's looking better than I was picturing it would, even with the cutesy art style. Definitely looking forward to this!
If they learned from the many, many, MANY mistakes of A Link Between Worlds, I wouldn't mind if this got the same treatment. Maybe make the world map a mirror image of the original and scramble up the landscape and dungeons so they get most of a new game but it isn't just a graphical update to something that already had a DX remake on the GBC.
What was so wrong about a Link Between Worlds?
Personally, A Link Between Worlds felt pretty dull to me. Except that the transition to Lorule is random as hell and sort of happens all of a sudden with no explanation, the dungeons are forgettable, and the items being rentable takes a lot of satisfaction away from earning them through dungeons/quests and intuitively knowing that I can backtrack to areas I've recently been to with new items to reach new areas. I felt like I was playing a super barebones Zelda banking on nostalgia and unmemorable exploration. And I didn't even play A Link to the Past before trying A Link Between Worlds, so I couldn't even get that nostalgia side dish bonus.
Minish Cap and Spirit Tracks jived with me so much more than A Link Between Worlds ever came close to. It's a fine game on its own though, I definitely wouldn't call it bad. And the wall painting mechanic is neat.
And on the subject of Link's Reawakening, I don't mind the art-style, but I don't really like it either. The plastic-y overworld looks cheap instead of aesthetically pleasing and the character models look like generic Funko pops. I think the art-style would have a much better effect on me if they either went with a normal art-style or fully committed to a direction as wild as Paper Mario, Wind Waker, and the yarn Kirby/Yoshi games, which are all quirky art-styles I fell in love with right away.
I hear people say that the art-style reminds them of toys or claymation, and I kind of see what they mean but doesn't hit the mark. If Nintendo was actually going for something like that, then they should make the game actually look like its made of painted clay models like Earthbound character art or made out of toys with quirky joints/pieces and wooden/plastic (not the cheap budgeted shiny kind) like in Toy Story. This game feels like this weird middle ground compromise between a typical Zelda style and an abstract style, but that ends up making it look weird.
Agree that LBW wasn't very memorable and the item renting mechanic kind of broke the game (in my case, made it easier than it should have been), but it was definitely fun and the dungeons were fairly entertaining. In fact, they're probably the only thing I remember about the game, even if I don't remember the names of the dungeons themselves. The overworld and side quests are what did nothing for me.
As for Link's Awakening, I fail to see how the artistic style is a problem. So far it seems to nicely recreate the feeling of the original, and jives well with the gameplay. I don't think they were specifically going for claymation or toys, just going for a logical 3D transition of what it was before, so faulting them for not going all out with a toy/claymation style is faulting them for a design consideration we have, not them.
Link Between World's mechanic of letting you rent everything was both good and bad. It was good in that it left the entire world open to you immediately… but bad in that it left no feeling of progression or real need to go back anywhere. (I also really didn't like the cling to walls as a drawing gimmick... it felt like exactly that, a gimmick meant to employ the one special feature of the 3DS, and was really awkward given the rest of the game was designed as overhead view.)
BotW hits a better balance. It starts you with basically everything you need to explore the entire world, but things that make it easier like the ally powers, or the master sword, or even clothes that let you survive in hot/cold environments, you get along the way. Go where ever you want, do whatever you want, and if you have the skill nothing is blocked off to you... but you still get upgrades along the way. The best Metroids and Castlevanias are similar.
You can sequence break Super Metroid in all sorts of crazy ways, you can do crazy stuff like fighting bosses in reverse order which requires you run through lava rooms without armor and use some crazy tricks to survive the experience, but you CAN do it.... but its easier if you take the intended progression path.
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I hear people say that the art-style reminds them of toys or claymation, and I kind of see what they mean but doesn't hit the mark. If Nintendo was actually going for something like that, then they should make the game actually look like its made of painted clay models like Earthbound character art or made out of toys with quirky joints/pieces and wooden/plastic (not the cheap budgeted shiny kind) like in Toy Story. This game feels like this weird middle ground compromise between a typical Zelda style and an abstract style, but that ends up making it look weird.
I think I'm the only one who finds the clay models of Earthbound either creepy or ugly.
I think I'm the only one who finds the clay models of Earthbound either creepy or ugly.
I totally get feeling that vibe lol. Children's claymation like in the Rudolph the Red-Nosed can be unsettling to look at. But I think you can use that to your advantage. Especially for designing enemies.
I'd prefer a toy aesthetic that's similar to how Sora, Donald, and Goofy look on the Toy Box world in Kingdom Hearts 3.
As for Link's Awakening, I fail to see how the artistic style is a problem. So far it seems to nicely recreate the feeling of the original, and jives well with the gameplay. I don't think they were specifically going for claymation or toys, just going for a logical 3D transition of what it was before, so faulting them for not going all out with a toy/claymation style is faulting them for a design consideration we have, not them.
That makes sense. Although I'm not saying that refusing to go with an arbitrary preference I have is a fault on them. Just that it would be more appealing to me if they went all-out in a surreal direction like that. Because that's usually how stylized art-styles tend to work for me. When making Wind Waker, they turned down making another psuedo-realistic Zelda and went all out on cel-shaded cartoons despite how radical a shift it was. It worked because it knew what it wanted to be and the game was made based on that. Although me speculating that they might have been trying something toy/clay-esque was purely conjecture based on first impressions. They probably weren't doing that (even if it would look totally freaking awesome and it's surprising how we haven't gotten a Zelda game like that yet).
I get that it's mainly focusing on recreating its pixelated art-style with 3D shapes. But even on that end, I think it would work a lot better if they simply updated the pixelated art-style instead of ditching it for this weird middle ground between a pixel Zelda game and a 3D Zelda game. It doesn't really make me feel like it's a logical 3D transition because pixel games from decades ago were mainly trying to replicate cartoony or realistic likeness while dealing with limitations, not valuing those limitations in and of itself. Appreciation for pixelated visuals as its own definitive art-style came a lot later thanks to nostalgic hindsight and open-minded creativity, so trying to adapt a sprite game LITERALLY straightforward into 3D feels weird because, well, the original intention of the game was never literally trying to be like that? If they had modern tech back when first making the game (with the suspension of disbelief that they would still try making 2D Zelda games instead of jumping straight to 3D off the bat lol), it would probably look more like A Link Between Worlds. Or how Pokemon Let's Go looks in comparison to Pokemon Yellow. Which works a lot better for me because it replicates the classic camera view of older games but embraces looking more like its actual character art with the world and models.
If you wanted to make a modernized top-down pixelated game… they should just make a top-down pixelated game? Like Shovel Knight or Sonic Mania? Because pixels can stand the test of time and not look outdated if you don't have a limited creative perspective? There isn't an objective rule saying you can't 3D-ify pixelated character models and I'm not saying this overall art-style vision is definitively bad or does not work. But I look at this game and feel like it's taking half-measures towards embracing whatever it is it wants to be, which gets in the way of me falling in love with how this looks compared to Wind Waker or Paper Mario.
I like the LA remake art style quite a bit. It has a cool cutesy approach to 3D with more realistic textures, which is what gives it that 'toylike' feeling. What's admirable about it to me is how effortlessly it translates the old style. LA was a Gameboy game, so it was built the system's hardware limitations. The map is divided into sorta chunky tiles collected in grids on small screens and the original art style (which is still pretty well-loved) was built around that to make a good-looking and readable world fit that kind of space. The new style is a 1:1 remake into 3D that manages to make space look organic without compromising the underlying grid structure. Plus having a cutesy art-style mirrors the plot in a way that's true to the original, which also built a contrast between its more detailed opening sequence and its more stylized gameplay.
Since the tiles and characters are so small by design, I don't think they could make a more detailed toy artstyle readable without distorting or breaking the game's map to compensate.
I guess I'm in the minority, I really liked Link Between Worlds, being one of the very few Zelda games I've actually 100%'d. Can't really say one way or the other about this LA remake since….I haven't played the original. Just pieces of the Oracle games.
Biggest difference is that oracles game had the option of making rooms bigger than one screen. This remake will as well, that is going to require some adjustments.
Huh, I thought everyone thought Link Between Worlds was really great. I thought it was, anyway.
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I liked it well enough, but I'm hard pressed to remember a single dungeon.
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Huh, I thought everyone thought Link Between Worlds was really great. I thought it was, anyway.
It's fine. It was appreciated when it came out as a throwback to the old style and a love letter to LttP. It did exactly what it set out to do.
Buuuut…..
I thought I'd see a lot more A Link Between Worlds defenses here like I usually do elsewhere. That's a nice surprise.
I like the LA remake art style quite a bit. It has a cool cutesy approach to 3D with more realistic textures, which is what gives it that 'toylike' feeling. What's admirable about it to me is how effortlessly it translates the old style. LA was a Gameboy game, so it was built the system's hardware limitations. The map is divided into sorta chunky tiles collected in grids on small screens and the original art style (which is still pretty well-loved) was built around that to make a good-looking and readable world fit that kind of space. The new style is a 1:1 remake into 3D that manages to make space look organic without compromising the underlying grid structure. Plus having a cutesy art-style mirrors the plot in a way that's true to the original, which also built a contrast between its more detailed opening sequence and its more stylized gameplay.
Since the tiles and characters are so small by design, I don't think they could make a more detailed toy artstyle readable without distorting or breaking the game's map to compensate.
I don't mind a cutesy art-style. I'm just not all that into character models looking like literal Funko pops lol. It looks rather generic to me, shrinking Link down with less defined features and slapping black eyes without much else. Although I can get used to it since it's definitely not ugly, only not my immediately aesthetically pleasing Toon Link better fits my bill of appealing stylized cuteness (not that I want ANOTHER 2D Toon Link game though). The shiny plastic look isn't rubbing off on me well either, but I might like other environments and models better later on. I will say that I do like how the buildings have this diorama shape to them in accordance with the overworked setup.
But you make a great point in your last paragraph. I can concede to that point above all else. But now my mind is thinking about how cool a full-on abstract Zelda art-style game would look. Like taking Puppet Ganon from Wind Waker and then making that a whole Zelda game, or at least the game's ability gimmick somehow. I would freaking love that.
I'm in the camp that would be 100% okay with the new artstyle if it wasn't a remake of an old game, and brand new Zelda. As it is I'm about… hmmm... 75% okay with it.
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I thought I'd see a lot more A Link Between Worlds defenses here like I usually do elsewhere. That's a nice surprise.
Sorry to disappoint; I was on a business trip. TBH I'm guessing at this point most people don't care enough for a deep discussion of LBW. I remember writing some pretty lengthy thoughts back when I first beat the game, and most people agreed it was pretty solid. I will never defend the item rental system (despite lots of people liking it), which I do think ruins the overall sense of progress and accomplishment. Not that I feel BotW did any better on that front. But the re-imagined overworlds, music, designs, etc. were all a pleasure. Character-wise Ravio was okay but Yuga and Hilda were particularly cool.
The dungeons were really neat updates of the originals with new mechanics, designs and boss implementations. Some were actually even pretty difficult depending on the order you did them. I wouldn't consider them masterpieces among Zelda dungeons, but LttP itself started with pretty meh dungeons in the context of the whole series. I haven't heard any great point against it; mostly just "it wasn't different enough" or "it wasn't memorable enough" or "it wasn't my style." Without having played LttP as a child, and hence no nostalgia bias, I think LBW is genuinely the better of the two.
Soooooooo um…... Are we not gonna talk about it?
Soooooooo um…... Are we not gonna talk about it?
The BotW sequel or the Awakening remake?
We know nothing about the former except it looks like it'll reuse assetts, and the other we've known about for ages. Not a whole lot new to discuss that isn't already being covered in other threads.
I think Zelda's new hairstyle is cute :)
Really excited to see how they expand on the first game.
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I am super happy that Breath of the Wild is getting a sequel. Though… That zombie thing looked very much like Ganondorf. Can we, like... not? We already did Ganon last time and it was the most one-dimensional Ganon we've had since the NES. Now sure, maybe this new game will turn around completely and give us a much more interesting take, but... I mean I'd rather just have a different villain to be honest?
But whatever, Breath of the Wild is legit one of my favorite games ever, and simply getting more of it is already more than enough for me.
Can't wait to play this game in 2025! :ninja:
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Can't wait to play this game in 2025! :ninja:
If they're reusing stuff, it shouldn't take that long. Mostly depends on how much of the map they reuse I think. But even if they make it from scratch they've still get the actual tooks and graphic assetts already, so…
Give Link a couple new abilities and weapons, reduce the fragility of weapons and how annoying rain is and we're good to go.
Link's Awakening looks incredible. The more I see, the more I'm sure they're 100% faithful to the original vision while adding cool new features like extra heart pieces. I was also worried it would become super hand-holdy, but so far all I see is slightly more guidance. For example, the Bottle Grotto boss now comments how your sword looks so puny that even the wall is probably stronger, hinting that you have to throw his bottle at the wall.
The dungeon creator thing looks okay; not super exciting but I do get a bit of the appeal at least in terms of the design constraints and challenges ("make a dungeon in this shape that fills every square"), since it does all have to link up properly with tiles. I'm guessing the tiles are obtained by completing the dungeon to which they pertain. Aonuma was all "even people who know the game probably don't remember it perfectly." Well, I could tell from the custom dungeon they made exactly what dungeon every single room was from. So yeah, I think I probably do. But it gave me confidence that they didn't try to fuck up any of the dungeons since the rooms were identical.
It's also getting a limited-edition physical release that includes a sizable art book (and a cool retro steelbook case for Europe, because fuck NA I guess). Absolutely pre-ordered that. The amiibo also looks adorable and I'll definitely pick it up when it goes on sale in like… a year, if Smash amiibo release times are any indication.
Link's Awakening was the first game I ever owned, so it's basically my ultimate "nostalgia game." I'm definitely getting the remake and I'm going to love it no matter what. …But I really hope a dungeon maker isn't the only major new addition. I have no interest in stage builders, and I doubt this will be any different.
Hyped as hell for BotW2. The first was terrific, but it had tons of small issues. If this game fixes them it could be one of the best sequels Nintendo has ever made.
Will get Breath of the Wild 2 if they remove or revamp the weapon system. I hated the system so much when I played it at a friends.
The BotW sequel or the Awakening remake?
We know nothing about the former except it looks like it'll reuse assetts, and the other we've known about for ages. Not a whole lot new to discuss that isn't already being covered in other threads.
There's a few things to discus, like do you think Zelda will have more of a role in this one? And why can't we ever get a game where Ganon isn't the main enemy? I mean I know it happens sometimes but it would be cool to see some new villains in the newer games, look how much people still love Skull Kid and Majora's mask, it pays to make a cool new evil villain up sometimes
I hope the story feels I don't know more engaging?
Or at the very least they get rid of the stamina system.
Also maybe perhaps not make the sidequests feel less redundant.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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If they add much more new content to Link's Awakening other than stuff like hearts and bottles, I would want it to be some kind of post-game content. Interfering with the main adventure would be sad. The color dungeon already pretty much breaks the game because of how OP the rewards are. Also the dungeon creator thing is a lot more like some little puzzles than actual dungeon design.
For the BotW sequel that we won't hear about again for like a year, here's my brief list of needed fixes:
I hope the story feels I don't know more engaging?
Or at the very least they get rid of the stamina system.
Stamina system was fine once you maxed it out (as long as you weren't in the rain.) But the starting bar should probably have been doubled because that starting stamina was pretty bad.
Stamina system was fine once you maxed it out (as long as you weren't in the rain.) But the starting bar should probably have been doubled because that starting stamina was pretty bad.
To me it kinda felt like it weirdly implemented in the game. Whereas in most games you'd have a skill tree system where certain abilities can be increased using points. Here you increase stamina by collecting orbs in the game's temples. Then of course the there's fact low stamina simply keeps you from making long climbs and staying mounted on certain things but not from traversing most of the game's world sort of making it superfluous.
Also was too fond of them tying stamina to swimming like Wind Waker.
Also can they make sailing not…..boring?
And not have bullshit like the stealth segments and constant Yiga Clan attacks.
