Tama is definitely not joining but it's rather funny that Tama had more moments with Luffy in 20 chapters then Carrot did in 100 chapters.
It's quite telling.
I'm actually pretty sure that she will join (not because i know something,of course,i just feel it) so it will be funny to read this again in 1 year (or more probably 2 years,it depends on how much Wano will last 
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Just saying that there's a difference between "There's something weird with this ship, so let's talk to our master shipwright" or "There's something weird with this sword, so let's talk to our master swordsman/a master swordsmith" and "There's something weird with this hat, so let's talk to the eight-year-old girl who's been weaving hats for a few years to try to support herself while living on the verge of starvation in a nearly abandoned village".
Just because making amigasa is a skill she's noted as having a proficiency in, that doesn't mean she's a master of the craft and says nothing about her familiarity with weaving patterns/styles that originated in other lands. More to the point, we don't even know if THE HAT's physical makeup is what's important about it… Personally, until we know more, I'm leaning toward it being of more historical significance than material - that who it belonged to and what they did is more important that the hat itself, like the suit of a former president.
Those examples are with characters and their first and most skilled profession though, I don't think Tamas role will be the straw hat weaver in the crew, I was just pointing out that in the future her straw weaving skills and the existence of two legendary straw hats might be useful or connect with each other for a future development, similar how the foreshadowing of Sanjis perviness and second dream of finding the invisible fruit eventually led him to have gain invisibility powers and Usopps lies eventually turning true
She did teach Ace how to weave amigasas, and he made a giant for Oars, so I'd think there's more to point that she is quite skilled at it.
Not going to quote the whole thing because I write long walls of text too much as is, but consider this: Would Zoro's dream of becoming a master swordsman have worked if he went to sea as a young man without having picked up a sword before? Would Nami's dream of mapping the world have worked if she didn't know the first thing about cartography when she joined the crew?
While Usopp's dream of becoming a "brave warrior of the sea" is something that can be "learned along the way", dreams associated with a specific profession generally require training or education in some degree, and that is in line with how ninja are traditionally portrayed. Ninja is not generally treated a "self-taught" profession, at least in any of the fiction I've read over the past several years (which, admittedly, is far from comprehensive)… They are commonly associated with different clans and traditions, with different schools of martial arts and secret techniques passed from master to student over generations, etc. While the question of whether their more blatantly supernatural "ninjutsu" are all necessarily the result of DF-powers is open, there is still plenty of room for developing more "mundane" skills (stealth, combat, disguise, etc...) through direct instruction, and that is particularly poignant because the problem with Tama isn't something that can be fixed in just a few chapters.
This isn't a matter of developing a new technique mid-combat (as so often with Zoro) or even overhauling one's entire fighting style on the fly (as with Nami in Alabasta)... Zoro was a highly skilled swordsman from before we met him and even though Nami's new climatact was something far outside her comfort zone, she still had the staff fighting experience and, more importantly, the near instinctual understanding of weather phenomena necessary to both work out what the climatact was capable of and to put it into practical effect. They both have foundations to fall back on. O-tama, presently, does not.
That is precisely why I believe she needs training, so that she can develop that foundation of ninja skills that she can then combine with her existing Devil Fruit powers to become a fully-fledged and actionable character. If O-tama wants to become a ninja, chances are good that she will need instruction in the skills necessary to serve as one... That puts her dream of becoming a kunoichi in direct conflict with any chances of sailing with the Strawhats in the near future, at least as I see it.
If we compare Tamas and Zoros dreams Zoro wants to be the very best in his field, while Tamas goal is just to ome one in her field, their milestones are completely different, which is why I think its fine for her to join as a kid. And for the Nami comparison, Tama has a headstart with her devil fruit power already, all that is needed is for her to showcase its abilities and learn how to utilize it more.
If her moment in the Wano arc is her binding several smile users to her, and use them against the beast pirates in the war, then that's a pretty impressive feat already which I think warrant her higher than most novice kunoichis.
Like we talked about before, I don't think the typical shinobi definition is that important in One Piece, and if her beast taming powers is her ninjutsu, then its enough if she continue to develop those abilities, and learn become more stealthy and agile herself to get the more typical ninja look.
If we consider the amount of versatility the likes Luffy, Robin, Brook, Moria, Big Mom, Doflamingo, Capone, Law have with their powers, then its fair to assume Tama can do more with her if she is meant to have it.
Just by going of typical JRPGS minion and tamer classes, it could be something like summoning her minions, or empower or evolving her minions, or drawing abilities from her minions to hersef.
Maybe she can make different types of kibidango, like http://ninjaencyclopedia.com/weapon/goshiki-mai.htmland with each color having a different ability, the possibilites are endless. xD
If we go with the Kaiju theme, maybe Kimichiyo can turn into Gukuru Shisa
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Absolutely. It would need to be substantial, as it would need to outweigh the negative effect of her age, but I've said before that a version of O-tama with even low-level ninja-skills would vastly improve her chances in my eyes.
Yeah, and because of her set up with Luffy and Ace and all that, I'm pretty sure it will happen, and when it does or doesn't, we can come back and address Tamas power being fit for the crew or not.
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I'm actually pretty sure that she will join (not because i know something,of course,i just feel it) so it will be funny to read this again in 1 year (or more probably 2 years,it depends on how much Wano will last
Same, she is essentially like the kid characters in JRPGS that joins the party. xD
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I'm surprised more people didn't pick Bonney, I personally don't think anyone we know yet will join, but if I had to pick from the characters listed I'd say Bonney has the best chance, I mean she's connected to so many people and events she's sure to be damn important, and we haven't seen her with her crew since Black Beard captured her and "traded her" to Akainu so it's not likely she has any real connections that would stop her, and she's definitely got a sad back story
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I'm surprised more people didn't pick Bonney, I personally don't think anyone we know yet will join, but if I had to pick from the characters listed I'd say Bonney has the best chance, I mean she's connected to so many people and events she's sure to be damn important, and we haven't seen her with her crew since Black Beard captured her and "traded her" to Akainu so it's not likely she has any real connections that would stop her, and she's definitely got a sad back story
Bonney was created with the rest of the supernovas, I doubt a Straw Hat would be created on a whim like that.
Plus her story is apparently tied to Kuma, and we're still missing the exact details of that relationship
And it's prolly harder to name a character who doesn't have some sad backstory at this point
She's such a vague character I really doubt she'll join the crew, though I agree she'll be important.
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Bonney was created with the rest of the supernovas, I doubt a Straw Hat would be created on a whim like that.
Plus her story is apparently tied to Kuma, and we're still missing the exact details of that relationship
And it's prolly harder to name a character who doesn't have some sad backstory at this pointShe's such a vague character I really doubt she'll join the crew, though I agree she'll be important.
I've honestly never had much faith in the "Oda just made the supernovas at the last second" rumor
If it was one or two characters I could see it but I can't see even Oda making nine characters that well designed who became so insanely important to the story line as a last second thing
Plus she's not just tied to Kuma, but white beard and ace and probably the five elders and who god knows who else
And we'll I do agree lots of characters have sad back stories, but not everyone on this list does, Caribou and Carrot have yet to show any hint of a sad back story yet (and no the flash back on Zou definitely does not count) so it definitely does help her standing in this list
Still don't think she'll join but to me she's the most important character on this list and has a slight chance and that's all I'm trying to say
I've honestly never had much faith in the "Oda just made the supernovas at the last second" rumor
If it was one or two characters I could see it but I can't see even Oda making nine characters that well designed who became so insanely important to the story line as a last second thing
Oda recently confirmed it. The original statement was from an editor I think, who was fanboying over Oda disappearing for 30 minutes, only to return with all the designs for the Worst Gen.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=42229&page=63&p=3850686&viewfull=1#post3850686
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Oda: I have to mention Law. Actually it's not too much to say that all Supernovas have more highlight scenes than I imagined. I created Supernovas right before the chapter where they got introduced. None of them existed in my plot notebooks before that chapter. I was in desperate situation, worrying, "At this rate, Sabaody arc will not be interesting enough." Then, inspiration for 9 Supernovas came to my mind unconsciously. I should have reduced the number of Supernovas since they were too many, but after all, I made all of them appear in manga!! I'm really surprised they survive till now since I thought about half of them would drop out of tough New World already.
They are worst!! They are the worst generation, indeed.
I imagined Kid would become an important character, but…Law!! I didn't imagine he would become such an important character. Weekly serialization is a wonderland. [Eiichiro Oda]
It's really the biggest argument against Bonney, by far, and the reason why she's only in the back of my head when it comes to Straw Hat material (and not a serious main contender).
But who knows, maybe he will do more with her than originally planned. Just like with Law, who's pretty much a Straw Hat at this point.**
Oda recently confirmed it. The original statement was from an editor I think, who was fanboying over Oda disappearing for 30 minutes, only to return with all the designs for the Worst Gen.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=42229&page=63&p=3850686&viewfull=1#post3850686
**It's really the biggest argument against Bonney, by far, and the reason why she's only in the back of my head when it comes to Straw Hat material (and not a serious main contender).
But who knows, maybe he will do more with her than originally planned. Just like with Law, who's pretty much a Straw Hat at this point.
That's insane, I guess people call him Goda for a reasonYeah she most likely won't be a straw hat then, still don't think any of the other characters have a shot though
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I've honestly never had much faith in the "Oda just made the supernovas at the last second" rumor
If it was one or two characters I could see it but I can't see even Oda making nine characters that well designed who became so insanely important to the story line as a last second thing
Oda confirmed pretty recently that the story is true. But the way you feel is how I felt for years too. I always assumed the case was "Oda created the CHAPTER in half an hour, but the characters he already had in mind for later in the new world." Because the story doesn't track, it doesn't fit that even Oda could make that many prominent diverse characters that fast that all had major roles.
It turns out, that nagging feeling is right, but for the wrong reasons.
The trick actually is, Oda had NO PLANS FOR THEM AT ALL. So they were just complete random one offs that he could do whatever with. So he wanted to do a music guy or a voodoo guy or a punk Joker guy or a tomboy or a gangster, and he just ran with it. When you look at it like that, he does that ALL THE TIME with his random character introductions and he constantly makes groups of interesting and diverse one offs.
What fooled us is, Oda did their intro chapter in a manner completely unique to the series. Each character got a prominent splashy full page intro, with the big English names, and that made them seem super important. So they each get a little scene, and they're promoted as "equals to Luffy" and so we, as the audience go "wow, this is big time, and Oda has never done an intro like this before, these guys are important!" And as a result, even though Oda had no real plans for them, they would naturally HAVE to balloon into importance later.
But you also have to consider. Oda doing the 30 minute outline wasn't the same as doing final designs. He had the week to work on those nine designs, most of which were getting full pages dedicated to them. (And a lot of them got tweaked over the timeskip.) And most of them didn't showcase their powers until weeks or months later, so he had time to think about that diversity.
So yeah. Its all in the presentation. It seems bigger than it actually was. But actually his having zero plans for them freed him up even more to go crazy.
So how would have been the Doflamingo storyline before Law's creation? Nah,i think some of them were already on his mind,Law was probably already planned as a pirate to meet in the New World.
So how would have been the Doflamingo storyline before Law's creation? Nah,i think some of them were already on his mind,Law was probably already planned as a pirate to meet in the New World.
It was a long time between the time Doflamingo was introduced and the time we got his backstory. His story prolly changed up a bit before it was finalized, especially if the world nobles weren't created til later. Either way, Law isn't really required to play out Doflamingo's base story - a mad ex-noble reclaiming his country. When Oda worked on Law's backstory, he prolly just ended up deciding to weave it in with the Doffy Pirates. Most all of this story - Straw Hats meeting some samurai, and working up an alliance to take down Kaido - could easily be done without Law or any of the other supernovas. The supernovas with the Beast Piratese feel kinda like leftovers Oda couldn't decide distinct plots for anyway.
With witchinghour boys identity still not being known, I think he could be a potential candidate, a kind-hearted thief/outlaw sounds like strawhat material.
a kind-hearted thief/outlaw sounds like strawhat material.
I wonder if that Nami girl could be the next crewmate…
So how would have been the Doflamingo storyline before Law's creation? Nah,i think some of them were already on his mind,Law was probably already planned as a pirate to meet in the New World.
Mostly the same, just without Law?
Oda has a master plan for the series, but he absolutely doesn't have every single last detail worked out in advance, that's not how writing works for any author. He creates dozens of characters at a time and folds them all in as he goes.
Just look at Vivi! He had zero plans originally for her to be a princess, she was just a random one off baddie at first. Or the farewell super iconic scene with the X marks on their wrists…. that wasn't planned in advance either.
Oda expands stuff constantly, thats the main reason the series is entering its third decade now instead of wrapping up in year five. Sometimes he know an explicit payoff years in advance, sometimes he doesn't know it until the week it happens, like the cherry blossom mountains in Drum. He might know "character X will appear someday" (Like he knew Brook was coming when he did the Laboon story) but he won't finalize their design or power set until they actually appear, and even then it might change some as it goes. Like Moria changed from having rounded teeth to sharp ones within a couple of chapters.
Oda has explicitly come out now and said "I made the Supernova up on the spot, I had no plans for them at the time, I was surprised at how large a role Law grew to have." Like, the author himself behind the scenes said it, as fact. Not as a coy deception to hide future surprises or a joke in SBS, but just as a fact about a past thing that happened he mentioned in an interview.
It's fine to have a disbelief about it when an editor talks about it third hand and leaves out an important informing detail, like we all assumed, but the man himself has come out and said "it went like this." You really can't argue that one.
Mostly the same, just without Law?
Oda has a master plan for the series, but he absolutely doesn't have every single last detail worked out in advance, that's not how writing works for any author. He creates dozens of characters at a time and folds them all in as he goes.
Just look at Vivi! He had zero plans originally for her to be a princess, she was just a random one off baddie at first. Or the farewell super iconic scene with the X marks on their wrists…. that wasn't planned in advance either.
Oda expands stuff constantly, thats the main reason the series is entering its third decade now instead of wrapping up in year five. Sometimes he know an explicit payoff years in advance, sometimes he doesn't know it until the week it happens, like the cherry blossom mountains in Drum. He might know "character X will appear someday" (Like he knew Brook was coming when he did the Laboon story) but he won't finalize their design or power set until they actually appear, and even then it might change some as it goes. Like Moria changed from having rounded teeth to sharp ones within a couple of chapters.
Oda has explicitly come out now and said "I made the Supernova up on the spot, I had no plans for them at the time, I was surprised at how large a role Law grew to have." Like, the author himself behind the scenes said it, as fact. Not as a coy deception to hide future surprises or a joke in SBS, but just as a fact about a past thing that happened he mentioned in an interview.
It's fine to have a disbelief about it when an editor talks about it third hand and leaves out an important informing detail, like we all assumed, but the man himself has come out and said "it went like this." You really can't argue that one.
I was already aware of all the things you just said,but thank you anyway for the reply. I just meant it would have been really different. I think the Law-Doflamingo relationship is a very important element of the Punk Hazard-Dressrosa arc. I think that without Law (who was the 'link' between the Strawhats and Dofla-Kaido) the 'link' would probably have been Kinemon? But altough Kinemon hates Kaido,his relationship with Doflamingo is way less important,and that would have made the Dressrosa arc way less emotional,and even more a copycat from Alabasta. So it was ultimately for the best. But i still think that Oda had already in mind some pirate linked to Doflamingo that later became Law.
It's also interesting to note that Law in the Sabaody Arc almost seem to have like a different personality from Punk Hazard Law. In Sabaody he is mostly a chill guy,while already on the post-Marineford arc he is a more serious guy.
So tl:dr My theory is that Oda had already in mind a pirate linked to Doflamingo,and i think in the period he was making Marineford he decided that that pirate would have been Law,and he characterized him as a more serious guy who develops a bond with Luffy.
I was already aware of all the things you just said,but thank you anyway for the reply. I just meant it would have been really different. I think the Law-Doflamingo relationship is a very important element of the Punk Hazard-Dressrosa arc. I think that without Law (who was the 'link' between the Strawhats and Dofla-Kaido) the 'link' would probably have been Kinemon? But altough Kinemon hates Kaido,his relationship with Doflamingo is way less important,and that would have made the Dressrosa arc way less emotional,and even more a copycat from Alabasta. So it was ultimately for the best. But i still think that Oda had already in mind some pirate linked to Doflamingo that later became Law.
It's also interesting to note that Law in the Sabaody Arc almost seem to have like a different personality from Punk Hazard Law. In Sabaody he is mostly a chill guy,while already on the post-Marineford arc he is a more serious guy.
So tl:dr My theory is that Oda had already in mind a pirate linked to Doflamingo,and i think in the period he was making Marineford he decided that that pirate would have been Law,and he characterized him as a more serious guy who develops a bond with Luffy.
With No Law, or Law not being attached to doffy I think you'd have the same plot but maybe Viola is introduced on Punk Hazardand becomes a bigger part of the dressrosa arc
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With No Law, or Law not being attached to doffy I think you'd have the same plot but maybe Viola is introduced on Punk Hazardand becomes a bigger part of the dressrosa arc
In that way she would have been even more similar to Vivi
In that way she would have been even more similar to Vivi
I mean technically kinemon had to go to dressrosa anyways, so they could keep it that simple and instead of it being a plan to take out doffy, have it be an escalation
Can you guess who this person is thinking of as the next nakama?
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I agree that Oda isn't going to allow kids on the Strawhat crew. Carrot also failed since in order to follow Nami and Robin's joining pattern she had to join by the end of Cake Island. Nami and Robin both joined in the first arc they had major involvement in; OrangeTown for Nami and Alabasta for Robin. Carrot is Chopper's version of "Sabo"; someone who will be a sibling and an outside support for the blue-nosed reindeer.Thankfully I pretty much figured out the likely 11th at the end of Cake Island (well 80% sure at this rate anyway). So for me it's just a matter of waiting to see if the author is going to go through with it and how the joining will be accomplished. I'm not gonna spoil it though. [:3]
Ah sorry, explaining it would take paragraphs and then everyone would hate me because the likely 11th is not a girl. I'm kind of surprised no one in the One Piece community has notice this though, that there is one character in the story now that is following the same pattern that Oda joined Jinbei with.
I'm not worried. Wano or whenever Luffy defeats Kaido will be make or break for this character. If they don't join or no one joins by Wano then Jinbei is probably the last Strawhat. That's fine to me it's getting kind of late in the game to add new characters to the main crew anyway.
Yeah, basically. Aside from a few hints, it's not fair to tell people still guessing. Plus, people are stuck to the characters that they like and will defend them til' the end anyway. I'm not going to brag about anything though, that's pointless.
I think it is Pekoms. What do you say?
I think it's nothing. That post says nothing and is just seeking replies. Are we really at the point where we're just pasting stuff from oro jackson.
For what it's worth, it just sounds like Kawamatsu again.
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Seeing how long Kawamatsu has been hidden from us I would say he was the safe bet for next nakama if we didn't already have an aquatic crew member who meet Luffy in prison, far to much over lap with Jinbei to still be considered (well in my mind anyway)
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Should I care who this person thinks should join the crew? And if so, why?
Maybe he is known to be often right on this forum.
I could easily say that a man dude will join at the end of this arc without any sort of proof and brag about it when it happens.
Should I care who this person thinks should join the crew? And if so, why?
If the fanbase had this sort of mentality, pretty much all of the youtubers who produce OP-related "material" wouldn't exist.
So, yeah, that's a question I keep silently asking the fandom continuously.
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If the fanbase had this sort of mentality, pretty much all of the youtubers who produce OP-related "material" wouldn't exist.
I think this was part of Otohime's plight.
Maybe Raizo gets more backstory through the prison, specifically Kawamatsu, Hyogoru and some of the other former Yakuza bosses. If there's nothing through this prison mission or interactions with the Oniwabanshu, then I don't see it as possible anymore
I remember a while back people wanted a crew member to have a logia, so we had at least one of each kind of devil fruit, is that still a thing people want?
Logia would be cool but it's not a must. Definitely keeping the Caribou Caravan alive.
The crew needing a Logia fruit user is just as contrived as there being a "M3", and Monet, Caesar or Caribou joining.
Add Carrot to that list too lmfao.
I would have to erase WCI arc from existence in my mind like some have done first lol
Add Carrot to that list too lmfao.
Plus the little fact they were all, y'know, unrepentant villains.
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That's a really nice way of avoiding the point though.
Carrot isn't any different from Caribou or Monet when it comes to joining the crew. In fact people used the same "it will happen later" argument for Monet based on her looking at some book. The same paper-thin logic is being used for Carrot who is now all of a sudden a serious candidate even though Oda himself hasn't really given any shits about her since WCI. And even in WCI, she had moments just like everyone ever in that arc. So nothing special about her in WCI lol.
Even if you want to claim that those are legit points, it's still a theoretical argument based on some very loose fan-fictions than actual manga. Case-and-point; the importance of the lookout position which isn't shit to One Piece or Oda despite whatever outside elements/stories you want to bring in. Oda doesn't care about the lookout position in any relevant way up to this point. It can change but it sure as hell isn't Carrot nor Oda is going for that.
You are allowed to believe whatever you want. But the text in the series doesn't support anything when it comes to Carrot.
Caribou and a dead character have been compared to Carrot. I've seen it all
I assume you weren't there when the arguments for Monet started.
Gonna be interesting to see the Carrot fanbase slowly by slowly fade into the background until the next female character arguments start in few years. It's a cycle that keeps repeating with the fanboys refusing to acknowledge the past lol.
There are six more threads like these. Read them.
Is that how you gauge if someone might join or not? If you're a fan of them? That might be worse than the relevance barometer that was used a couple weeks back.
It goes
relevance - weak
fan - head canon
"They will join because I want them to join" - lol
…..Is that a parody or meant to be ironic? I can't really comprehend whatever you just tried to say here.
To simplify it, what you introduced is worse than the relevance barometer, but still not as laughable as "They will join because I want them to join". I can simplify it more if you need me to
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I was just checking something.
And it just proved that you actually have no clue about what you are talking about.
AGOG is a pretty damn infamous poster in this place who used to write paragraphs upon paragraphs over Perona joining the crew. This exchange between him and Jerk Disease (AKA Monkey King) should give you a taste of AGOG's posts. The funny thing about revisiting AGOG is how the same type of logic is being used for Carrot.
Let's just get something straight here though; you absolutely are clueless about my point. People who usually tend to go hard about a particular female character are in fact fans of that said character. History has proven that time and time again. And it's always the female character that gets "nominated" for the cast and is backed up by some nonsensical garbage. That's why i said to read the previous threads. They exist for a reason.
We're looking at a good character to become more outstanding, not for a despicable character to become less awful or someone helpless to become less so. Carrot came to the forefront on WCI as a strong ally of the SHs, and she's still a part of the events on Wano. There's no telling if she'll set herself apart from the other Minks again, but she's already done so in the past and the potential is still there. It makes a lot more sense to keep an eye on her than to just write her off.
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I'm not a big supporter of her for a crewmate, but Carrot is 1,000 times more Straw Hat material then someone like Caribou or Caesar Clown. Really, guys.
We're looking at a good character to become more outstanding, not for a despicable character to become less awful or someone helpless to become less so. Carrot came to the forefront on WCI as a strong ally of the SHs, and she's still a part of the events on Wano. There's no telling if she'll set herself apart from the other Minks again, but she's already done so in the past and the potential is still there. It makes a lot more sense to keep an eye on her than to just write her off.
Yes, the candidate will be a strong character. Not strong in terms of strength but strong in terms of how noticeable and stand out he/she is.
Which practically dismisses Carrot from the bunch lol. The reasons for that is practically in the previous thread so I'm not gonna bother repeating them here.
I can maybe see the potential there but the arguments that have been put forward are rather shit and don't convince me or anyone else for that matter. She has a following because….. a female character in OP always tends to have that. Even freaking Rebecca of all characters, had a following like that.
It's perfectly fine to be a fan and hope that the character has some sort of an important role. Then there is the argument for Carrot will pretty much expects Carrot, similar to Perona and AGOG, to be important without any particular reason behind it.
Yes, the candidate will be a strong character. Not strong in terms of strength but strong in terms of how noticeable and stand out he/she is.
Which practically dismisses Carrot from the bunch lol. The reasons for that is practically in the previous thread so I'm not gonna bother repeating them here.
I can maybe see the potential there but the arguments that have been put forward are rather shit and don't convince me or anyone else for that matter. She has a following because….. a female character in OP always tends to have that. Even freaking Rebecca of all characters, had a following like that.
It's perfectly fine to be a fan and hope that the character has some sort of an important role. Then there is the argument for Carrot will pretty much expects Carrot, similar to Perona and AGOG, to be important without any particular reason behind it.
Saving the crew with her powers, being personally affected by her compatriot's death and still powering through to help her friends, connecting to Sanji on a deep level. Those are clear moments of character development. You can choose to ignore or discount it all if you wish, but I don't think we're wrong for placing value on moments like that.
Jinbe and Carrot each had a moment, well after their intros, where they stood out as very strong contenders to me. Jinbe's moment was when he was carrying Luffy away from the war, remembered Ace asking him to take care of Luffy in his place, and shouting that Luffy needs to live. Carrot's was when Luffy called to her the same way he spoke to the rest of his crew and asked them all to take care of things while he fought Katakuri. Those moments were major sparks that showed me how Luffy and a new person could connect and become important to each other.
You don't have to believe this either, but as a character, Carrot doesn't do a lot for me. There are a number of options I'd personally pick over Carrot anytime, Jinbe being one of them. But the gut feeling I have is that Carrot has the best chance of anyone in Wano, and that this is the best chance for the crew to be completed with the 9th and 10th people before Luffy really does take Kaido's place as an emperor.
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Not trying to be an ass here but having moments of bonding does not automatically equal straw hat material
back before I understood the flow of the series, back on Amazon Island, I thought for sure Marguerite was going to join, because she was really really bonding with Luffy, they had a lot of time and scenes together, she even risked punishment to help him
so what I think Heartofdarkness is trying to say is that we've seen many similar female characters with similar bonding and scene time with straw hats, that people rallied for in there specific arcs, to the point where old members like us (I joined originally back in 2007) Feel like were constantly having whiplash/deja vu every single arc
if I didn't happen every single new arc we got, then maybe the whole Carrot for Nakama thing wouldn't feel so…. tedious, but I honestly don't remember an arc since I've been here as a member that someone didn't adamantly argue for a new female character to join the crew
lets see I started around thriller Bark
Thriller Bark = Perona
Sabody = Cammey, Bonney, Shaaky
Amazon lily = Marguerite, Hancock
post timeskip beginning Perona again, Hancock again
Fishman island = Camey, Shiroshi, Shyarly
Punk Hazard = Monet, Baby 5
Dressrosa = Baby 5 (again), Rebecca, Dwarf Princess, Viola, Wicca
Zou = Carrot, Wanda
Whole Cake island = Pudding, Carrot, Reiju
Wano = Tama, Kiku, Hiyori,
and while I'll agree characters that are evil never had near as good a chance as Carrot, like Perona and Monet, the fact is after all these years of reading argument after argument of people convinced they are right that said new character will be the next crewmate and then time and time again where that didn't happen, me and a few other members are pretty jaded when it comes to this subject matter
I certainly can't stop you or anyone else from being jaded; I've said time and again that I'm not here to convince anyone or prove anything. I'm here because I see potential in someone and I'm expressing it the best way that I can. And when someone talks smack about that character I come back to defend them. Back then it was Jinbe, this time it's Carrot. I'm not interested in writing essays about her, and I know full well that it could easily turn out that she never leaves the background again. But when folks keep saying there's nothing there, I for one am gonna keep coming back, right up to Wano's end, to try and explain what is there.
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