If Jack was the one who found the Poneglyph in Old Wano....then he would have only been eight years old at the burning of Kozuki Castle and with no DF.
Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary
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Does anyone have a link to some of the newer Vivre Cards in high quality? Scans and not photos, if that makes sense.
Looking for some of the Wano cards, like the Roger/Scabbards/Wano Strawhat/Beast Pirate Packs
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@The-AniMan sorry to bother you but is there any way you could update the link cuz this one is dead, appreciate the work u put into this, and thx in advance
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if anyone can help me and share a link where I can download the Vivre cards, that would be highly appreciated
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@Lucifer I don't think I can post direct Discord links but if you check my twitter, IG, or reddit (same username), you can get an access to the vivre cards
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Hi, has anyone figured out why there's a gap of more than 100 slots between Kawamatsu (1385) and Oden (1497)?
It's not a mistake on the chart that was posted in this thread, as the list on the official page has it the same way.
Also, it'll be a while before we find out, but I'm curious if the Stella and each of the satellites have their own number, or if they will share the same number since they're all Dr. Vegapunk.
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I figure we'll be getting about a million more named Gifters with [animal]-[man/woman] names and a single panel of page time.
A lot of the bit part Marineford characters are out of order, starting among the Impel Down characters and ending among the Fishman Island characters, so the huge Onigashima cast of Gifters could do the same, alongside the ridiculous number of named Wano civilians.
I would expect to see separate cards for all the Vegaclones. Characters with far less material have managed to get full cards in the past.
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Correct me if I am wrong but we don't have the Vivre cards for anyone on Ace or Roger's crew yet, do we (ignoring obvious ones like Rayleigh)?
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@black-leg-jex You're correct. Roger's lot are almost certainly coming.
Ace, maybe, maybe not. Most of them were only visualised in sketches at the back of his novel, and so far it's taken a definite main manga appearance to earn a Vivre Card number.
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@Captain-M said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
@black-leg-jex You're correct. Roger's lot are almost certainly coming.
Ace, maybe, maybe not. Most of them were only visualised in sketches at the back of his novel, and so far it's taken a definite main manga appearance to earn a Vivre Card number.
A lot of Ace's crew appeared in the Ace and Yamato flashback during Wano (which came out after the Ace novels), and one even appeared during the paramount war. Technically all of them except maybe Masked Deuce were there during Ace's own flashback for when he met Whitebeard. So I think EX characters are at least a given for them, especially given that characters like the 'Tomato Gang' have Vivre card.
This does raise a point on sketches though. Like the original Mr. 7 who was mentioned by Zoro during Whiskey Peak and has only appeared in the Live Action series, but does have a sketch from Oda. Could he get a Vivre Card? There isn't a space for him during the Whiskey Peak section of the series but could he could just be given a later number.
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@black-leg-jex In my memory only like one or two of them showed up in the Onigashima flashback, but going over the pages again you're right, there's actually a decent crowd.
A surprising number of them, perhaps all of them are identifiable to the sketches as far back as Marineford, but it remains to be seen if this level of detail (with most of them getting no closer than this) is enough to properly count as an appearance.
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I think it defo should be. There's a card for the author who wrote Brag Men and he hasn't even appeared in the series, he was just namedropped, so Ace's crew (as well as Rogers and Kids and Laws) will most likely all appear on cards, even if they're just EX-Characters.
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No news?
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Could anyone help me source some information from a Vivre Card? LIbrary of Ohara recently updated his long timeline for One Piece (https://thelibraryofohara.com/the-one-piece-timeline/) and in this timeline he says Oda confirmed that Luffy set-off on his adventure in February. His source for this information is a Vivre Card but he doesn't say which one. I would assume it's a Luffy one but there are several of them and I can't find any source mentioning this. Does anyone know which card this is said in?
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I'd also be interested to see the source for that one, it's not ringing any bells for me.
It's a high effort and commendable guide, but I think the choice to try and make things line up with real world dates down to the exact month and day is pretty dubious, as is the certainty that the Kaien calendar gives the actual year being used in-universe. And there seem to be a couple of (relatively small) instances of conjecture and guessing sprinkled throughout that taint the choice to push it as a 'canon' timeline.
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It wouldn't make sense for Luffy to start his journey in Februrary, since he left in his 17th birthday, which is in May. He leaving in February would make Luffy 16 years old for pretty much the entire pre-timeskip journey.
However, I feel the birthdays are just Oda finding fun dates for each character, not something he really had in mind to matter in the story. I agree with @Captain-M in that trying to make the timeline fit into real dates is pointless and will most likely introduce inconsistencies. Just trying to fit the timeline into everyone's birthdays so their ages fit would make this effort a nightmare.
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There's no actual statement in the story that Luffy left exactly on his 17th birthday. He just waited til after he was 17 to get started. How much after, be it hours, days or months, is anyone's guess.
Artur's method for working things out for the timeline claims that while characters acknowledge birthdays during the year, their age doesn't actually increase until the 1st of Jan in the new year. Which is allegedly how some cultures used to count age in the past. Even though there's no indication either way if One Piece's world would use a system like this, it's presented as fact for his timeline.
When a Reddit comment pointed out that a Feb start and a March construction date for the Sunny doesn't allow time for Ace showing Luffy's wanted poster to Whitebeard in recent flashbacks before Blackbeard leaves and attacks Drum, as shown in the recent flashback, he claims that it's Oda's mistake rather than accepting the possibility that his dating system might be flawed and that there are potentially longer offscreen travel times than the system can account for.
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@Captain-M said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
There's no actual statement in the story that Luffy left exactly on his 17th birthday. He just waited til after he was 17 to get started. How much after, be it hours, days or months, is anyone's guess.
Frankly, considering how Luffy is, I doubt he'd wait almost one year (May to Feb) to leave. I figure he'd leave ASAP in his grand adventure he waited 10 years for.
Still, since the story does not outright says it, there's window for Luffy to have waited a bit... for reasons. I just don't think Oda really cares for those details.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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@Deicide said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
Frankly, considering how Luffy is, I doubt he'd wait almost one year (May to Feb) to leave. I figure he'd leave ASAP in his grand adventure he waited 10 years for.
Oh yeah absolutely. I doubt he'd wait long, but there's enough ambiguity and enough things that could cause setbacks (goodbyes, finding a way down from the mountains, securing a ship and basic supplies - I doubt Luffy's the type to pack his suitcase any sooner than the morning of departure when he's already running late) that it doesn't pay to be too sure.
And you're right, this is all low on Oda's priority list. I've tried to keep track of moon phases and dates in the past too, but I concluded it was a lot of trouble for no actual insight.
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How many misconceptions over the last 10 years can be traced back to Artur?
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@Kaiolino Yeah, he puts in a lot of effort for sure, but in my opinion he interprets just way too much. I prefer the Wiki's timeline.
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Even the wiki has a lot of editor bias and interpretation presented as fact on a lot of pages. I tend not to trust it without following the references back to the actual chapter they're citing. Not sure about its timeline specifically though, I haven't looked at it that close.
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Good to know that no one else seems to know where this supposed source is. I can believe characters only acknowledge aging at the start of a year and so in theory Luffy could've left in February rather than in May, but there is no chance in hell that the Sunny was built in March. I know the scale of the One Piece world is kinda wacky and the Straw Hats sailed half of it it in like 6 months, but they didn't sail a quarter of it in 1 month, that is just silly.
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With some googling, maybe he calculated it backwards from the snowmen the crew makes on day 1 in the Grand Line and the dummies Igaram made to distract Baroque Works when the crew was leaving Whiskey Peak both being given a February birthday in the Vivre Cards.
But that's a silly thing to take so seriously and hinge so much theory on. And should definitely have been explained somewhere considering how freaking abstract it is for such a central point. One Piece birthdays are jokes! Japanese number puns made for the fans and often by the fans! Yes, they come from or get confirmed by Oda, but so do the fantastical colour spreads and cover requests and definitely aren't really happening in the canon story.
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@Captain-M said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
With some googling, maybe he calculated it backwards from the snowmen the crew makes on day 1 in the Grand Line and the dummies Igaram made to distract Baroque Works when the crew was leaving Whiskey Peak both being given a February birthday in the Vivre Cards.
But that's a silly thing to take so seriously and hinge so much theory on. And should definitely have been explained somewhere considering how freaking abstract it is for such a central point. One Piece birthdays are jokes! Japanese number puns made for the fans and often by the fans! Yes, they come from or get confirmed by Oda, but so do the fantastical colour spreads and cover requests and definitely aren't really happening in the canon story.
That makes me think the Sunny has a birthday in March then and that's where he got to that point from.
See, I'd be more willing to believe these times if Luffy set-off in January rather than February. Luffy waiting around for a whole month and a bit after turning 17 doesn't seem in character and two months from Luffy leaving to the end of Water 7 feels more believable than 1 month.
This timeline still has the issue of the two year timeskip though, because for this to work the crew didn't actually wait two years, they waited 1 year and 8 months give or take, which seems kinda odd that all of them would know to leave and return to Saboady early.
The post-timeskip timeline at least makes sense, although that's easier to track thanks to fewer arcs.
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@black-leg-jex Yup, I'm pretty sure Sunny's "birthday" goes as far back as the SBS. San-ni-go, 3/25. You know that one puts the pun before the continuity.
The big issue with post timeskip is the phases of the moon. It's confirmed at the end of Wano that it takes a month between full moons, spacing out Whole Cake Island and Onigashima, but if you only look at the travel times specifically stated instead of filling the ambiguous gaps with as much time as is needed, that leaves only two weeks between those battles (as Artur's timeline has.)
And look, I used to be a believer that OP's world had fortnight lunar cycles instead of monthly ones until that line about it being a month. It was what the travel times between Whole Cake and Wano seemed to imply, and it would have been a fun addition to the worldbuilding. But it's definitely not the case, and it seems weird for the timeline to go into all this detail and pick up these minor datapoints from every other possible source, then ignore the line that says in no uncertain terms that full moons have to be a month apart.
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@Captain-M said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
@black-leg-jex Yup, I'm pretty sure Sunny's "birthday" goes as far back as the SBS. San-ni-go, 3/25. You know that one puts the pun before the continuity.
The big issue with post timeskip is the phases of the moon. It's confirmed at the end of Wano that it takes a month between full moons, spacing out Whole Cake Island and Onigashima, but if you only look at the travel times specifically stated instead of filling the ambiguous gaps with as much time as is needed, that leaves only two weeks between those battles (as Artur's timeline has.)
And look, I used to be a believer that OP's world had fortnight lunar cycles instead of monthly ones until that line about it being a month. It was what the travel times between Whole Cake and Wano seemed to imply, and it would have been a fun addition to the worldbuilding. But it's definitely not the case, and it seems weird for the timeline to go into all this detail and pick up these minor datapoints from every other possible source, then ignore the line that says in no uncertain terms that full moons have to be a month apart.
I don't think it's either of those. The time between Sulong Carrot and the raid roughly three weeks.
My understanding was that from when Carrot turns Sulong, there's at least 4 or 5 days worth of travel. The day after they escape, they get their new bounties and it says the Reverie has just begun. The Reverie is a seven day conference but we know it ended only after the fourth day this year, but the Straw Hats arrive at Wano before Reveries ends and its results are announced. So at minimum its 2 days of travelling and at most 5. Then from when they land in Wano to the raid it is stated to be two weeks. Luffy spends the first week in jail and the second week training.So at minimum the lunar cycle is two weeks and 2 days and at most its 3 weeks.
I don't remember where they say it is in a months time but that feels like a mistake for sure.
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@black-leg-jex For the one month thing:
(chapter 1051)It's definitely a sticky one. I don't love the idea of the crew departing Whole Cake's Waters, Big Mom leaving to chase them a day or two after, and then there's just two weeks of pursuit that Luffy's group isn't even aware of before arriving at Wano, but it seems to be what makes the provided details work the best.
That said, if I was writing a guide to these things that I intended people to use as a reference, I'd at least leave a footnote about the ambiguity, inconclusive details and other possible interpretations. And this is what bugs me about almost all big name OP social media personalities. There's this need to be the authority. The guy who "solved" One Piece. The guide can't say 'we don't have enough info to say concretely what date things are happening on and what the travel time between some islands was' because it would undermine the hyperbole of it being the ultimate and final resource from the guy who knows everything.
It's the YouTube theory videos as well. 'Guys I'm so certain of my ending theory that it needs to be marked a spoiler, watch at your own peril!' No adjusting the prediction based on new info, we double down on the raid failing until it succeeds. They want to have found the one secret interpretation, the one obscure reading of the Japanese that no one else has thought of, then convince you that all evidence to the contrary is an attempt to mislead you from the secret they're already in on.
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@Captain-M said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
@black-leg-jex For the one month thing:
(chapter 1051)It's definitely a sticky one. I don't love the idea of the crew departing Whole Cake's Waters, Big Mom leaving to chase them a day or two after, and then there's just two weeks of pursuit that Luffy's group isn't even aware of before arriving at Wano, but it seems to be what makes the provided details work the best.
I'd be interested to see what the original RAW said for this. I wonder if its maybe a slightly off translation. Rather than 'In One Month' as in '30 days from now' it was meant to be taken as 'next month'? Hard to say but your right that one month doesn't work really. Didn't Greg make a lunar calendar back in the pre-timeskip days? I'd be curious to see how many days it was back then.
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@black-leg-jex I've got the raw on file, but I'm not the person to be judging translation accuracy.
And yeah, it's definitely one of those things that could be an approximation. The real life lunar cycle takes a little less than a month (if not by much) so they could just be rounding up.
For pre-timeskip, you could make a reaonably consistent moon chart up to Skypiea, where the full moon for Enel's departure shows up like the night after a half moon. But you could also say that the crescents and halves and gibbouses of those early arcs are each a phase apart if you want to draw out the ambiguous travel times.
Given the layout of One Piece's world, it's possible, if not likely, that the crew crossed the equator at least once in the early stages and again going into the New World, which (assuming everything works as on Earth) would turn the moon upside down and change the directions in which it waxes and wanes, making it even harder to keep track of and requiring even more guessing.
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Any about new booster set after Wano?
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New Vivre Card set next 4th July!! New binder with "New Starter Set Vol. 2" set that will contain these 16 updated cards with new information.
- Monkey D. Luffy (Gear 5)
- Monkey D. Luffy
- Roronoa Zoro
- Nami
- Usopp
- Sanji
- Tony Tony Chopper
- Nico Robin
- Franky
- Brook
- Jinbe
- Sabo
- Jewelry Bonney
- EX CHARACTERS Water Seven Vol. 1
- EX CHARACTERS Gyojin Island Vol. 1
- EX CHARACTERS Wanokuni Vol. 6
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@redon said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
New Vivre Card set next 4th July!!
F***** FINAL-
[just Strawhat cards for the thousandth time with slight new updates]
whatever.
Hopefully another set will follow it with the actual interesting stuff.
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Hopefully when these drop someone will take HQ scans of the Wano sets as well
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New Vivre Cards, new colour art, a new background colour for the Nika page instead of the Strawhat red. If I'm not mistaken, it's a new one, so you have to wonder what category he's being placed in. Maybe the Elders' demonic forms could get the same colour? That would have some interesting implications.
Also look! They've finally edited the two flower petals out of the volume 104 cover laughing Nika art, after so many promos where they're just kinda left there on top of his smoke thingy.
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Thank you Redon!
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Hopefully we're not waiting too long for the next set with actual new characters on it. The only updated cards I'm interested in are Yamato and Momo.
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Like most of Fishman Island attires, I've grown tired of seeing Gear 5th's sameposing in OP prodcuts, yawn~
I hope we get to see some doodles about the SHs power-ups in Onigashima
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So obviously the starter set will be followed by some Egghead boosters in the months after, but how do we expect the cast to be broken up? Egghead has a slightly more sparse supporting cast than other big arcs, which makes it hard to divide things evenly.
The full set of Vegapunks plus updated Sentomaru and Kuma cards is close to a full pack, but the Five Elders and an updated Borsalino isn't quite enough for a second one to release alongside it. Most of the VAs in the group haven't had enough screentime to justify being more than EX characters.
Or Gruz's squad could get their own cards, maybe with updated Koby and Garp ones to represent the rescue mission.
And as much as I want more info, it's definitely too soon for any of the Elders besides Saturn to have full colour art of their demonic forms. Might be nice to hold them back until you can show that stuff off for real.
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If I had to guess which characters are going to get their own vivre cards.
All the Vegapunks
Each of the Five Elders
Kizaru
Green Bull
Stussy
Doll
Lucci?
Kaku?
Maybe the Egghead Seraphims
Kuma
Ginny?
A few of the SWORD members including Koby
Crocodile?
Mihawk?
Buggy?
Boa?
SentomaruNot too sure who else.
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@DarkWitch I'd almost forgotten there were final-stage Wano characters still to go. An adult Momo feels inevitable, plus Aramaki, and yeah maybe some Emperor-era updates for Buggy and his guys.
And Ginny, how could I forget? But it's hard to say how recent is going to be too recent to have proper fully-coloured art. The flashback really wasn't that long ago at all.
Seraphim are a good bet, at least for Snake, Bear and Hawk most likely.
Lucci and Kaku got redone CP0 cards for the Reverie already, I'd be disappointed to redo them again so soon. Stussy could definitely take an update though.
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We have a lot of Wano to cover before going to Egghead.
Law and Kid with upgraded bounties and info on their Awakening.
Kaido card was prior to his hybrid reveal (same for King, Queen, Jack, Who's-Who, Black Maria and Sasaki, but I doubt those matter enough to justify a second card).
Yamato was prior to his fruit reveal. Momo didn't cover his adult time.
Buggy and Shanks cards didn't even cover post-timeskip stuff.
Teach, Hancock, Mihawk, Crocodile all have new bounties (the last two even belonging to a new group).
Big Mom could get one to cover her defeat and major moves, but maybe not.
Guernica and the Numbers.Of course, the first break time we also had a lot of WCI to cover and they simply skipped all of it when they resumed the releases, so maybe some Wano developments might not be addressed at all.
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@access-timeco said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
Kaido card was prior to his hybrid reveal (same for King, Queen, Jack, Who's-Who, Black Maria and Sasaki, but I doubt those matter enough to justify a second card).
King's hybrid form doesn't warrant a new card but all the Lunarian stuff revealed since his first card does matter enough for a new one IMO
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New Weekly Shonen Jump scan!!
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Oh wow, young Bonney on the front of her card. That's officially coloured art from volume 108. Shows how far in advance they start working on the digital colour release, though I wouldn't expect many more panels from that close to the present.
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I have a question. I jave all the cards, why there are a lot of numbers without card and character?
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@lumasso88 said in Vivre Card: One Piece Visual Dictionary:
I have a question. I jave all the cards, why there are a lot of numbers without card and character?
Minor characters don't get their own cards and instead a bunch of them are put together in EX cards. Each pack has only a couple of EX cards so a lot of these minor characters haven't been added yet because there hasn't been EX cards for certain arcs.
When new packs are released, we'll get more EX cards and those spots will be filled. The packs that were announced will have Water 7 and Fishman island EX cards so those are the numbers (around 350 for W7 and 700 for FI) that will get a character next. -
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I can make out a panel from as recently as chapter 1098 in full colour on Bonney's card! Imagine if the colour volumes could actually be that up to date...
The catalog of ships inside the new binder is a very nice touch. Looking forward to seeing the full spread of them.
