The Naruto universe makes no sense to me sometimes.
Got a character questioning the skill of "kid" ninja. Shouldn't everyone at this point know what they're capable of?
Also with the last episode being the animated version of Mitsuki's backstory, this week's filler reverts Boruto back to being a flippant brat. How many slices of humble pie is he going to have to eat before he gets it?
Also this episode feels like a rehash of Naruto bridge arc.
[…] this week's filler reverts Boruto back to being a flippant brat. How many slices of humble pie is he going to have to eat before he gets it?
The english language never ceases to amaze me, loving this phrasing :P
But yeah the fact that Boruto never has even a tiny bit of character progress is becoming increasingly unbearable. I don't know how long they plan to make this anime (I'm afraid similiar length to the original Naruto series, maybe even with its own Shippuden version), but I would like it to be more concise. Given the aforementioned similarities to the original Naruto series are becoming more clear with Naruto/Boruto bridge 2.0 arc and seeing how Naruto was a dense prick for hundreds of episodes (well into the dreaded Ninja War arc), I'm afraid Boruto will remain a brat up to/throughout the anime's final arc as well.
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The english language never ceases to amaze me, loving this phrasing :P
But yeah the fact that Boruto never has even a tiny bit of character progress is becoming increasingly unbearable. I don't know how long they plan to make this anime (I'm afraid similiar length to the original Naruto series, maybe even with its own Shippuden version), but I would like it to be more concise. Given the aforementioned similarities to the original Naruto series are becoming more clear with Naruto/Boruto bridge 2.0 arc and seeing how Naruto was a dense prick for hundreds of episodes (well into the dreaded Ninja War arc), I'm afraid Boruto will remain a brat up to/throughout the anime's final arc as well.
Lol. We do have some odd phrases.
It's majorly annoying. Like how much filler are we supposed to be getting? So far it's 90% filler with the anime. So I guess they don't want Boruto to actually have any growth before they get to the canon plot. But it's still irritating watching him constantly be disrespectful to all his teachers and seniors.
Lol. We do have some odd phrases.
It's majorly annoying. Like how much filler are we supposed to be getting? So far it's 90% filler with the anime. So I guess they don't want Boruto to actually have any growth before they get to the canon plot. But it's still irritating watching him constantly be disrespectful to all his teachers and seniors.
The thing is what even is the canon? The only thing we know that's gonna happen is the chunnin exams and then an older Boruto fighting on a ruined leaf village. So we can't really expect any big character growth until the chunin exams. I think anime Boruto has at least matured a little bit over the course of the academy days in the anime and is a much more bearable character than he as in the movie. Boruto in the manga is the biggest shithead brat and that's supposed to be after the events of the chunnin exam so who knows when he'll grow.
Enjoyed this episode for what it was.
Clearly i think this Anime is for new fans of the series or those fans who now have their own children, so yes there are going to be repeating beats, though if you read ahead in the manga, Boruto quickly drops this lone wolf bullshit after the movie/exam arc.
Fans (or viewers) like us who clearly remember a lot of the old series are probably going "this shit again?" but we are NOT the intended demographic for this.
And frankly, the anime doing its own thing is fine by me, the entire premise of Boruto itself is filler. Fuck there isn't even filler anymore, the story is over, this is just spin off material.
I was looking where to read Naruto online, the colored manga version, but kissmanga and batoto (RIP this week) only have up to chapter 40ish
Anyone here knows where can I read online (or even download, but I prefer reading online) the colored manga?
hey , I stopped reading boruto series (manga and anime) after I read the first chapter and would like to know the current story progress. Has Kawaki appeared yet at current story?
Is it possible to make a fight this boring?…
Every time a chapter comes out and I go through the pages without bothering reading the dialogues, I wonder "who's buying this?". I don't think I know anyone who reads Boruto, much less like it.
It's been a very boring arc. Which is kinda terrible since we were given ninja cyborgs and light sabers…
It's been a very boring arc. Which is kinda terrible since we were given ninja cyborgs and light sabers…
That is the bad part about the arc
That is the bad part about the arc
I dunno. It could have been cool. But I still like nothing about Boruto as a character. Salada is ok but mostly just blah. Mitsuki is kinda just there. I don't care about inventor guy or Konhamaru.
For me the problem is Ao being a main antagonist, when he was mostly comedy relief in Shippuden.
Damn AO got trashed, Konohamaru was trashed by AO and that Koji guy can summon toads…
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Pulling from the My Hero thread so it doens't get bogged down.
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I want to say that the series couldn't have ended that soon without Naruto becoming the strongest person ever in typical shonen protagonist fashion and how he's still years away from being a viable Hokage candidate (not that the series ever bothered to explore how that process works besides vague hints of strength, wisdom, and nepotism), but considering how the actual manga itself ends without ever showing how and why Naruto becomes Hokage… Maybe you're right. I can only see Naruto winning the fight against Sasuke being too predictable though, even by shonen standards. I don't really know where the series would go with Sasuke's character if he was forced to stay in the village after making a clear decision to change allegiances.
Although I still don't like the idea of Orochimaru being the final antagonist. I know he was one of the only good villains in Naruto, but he lacks any sort of relationship with Naruto aside from constant underestimation to make me feel satisfied with him being Naruto's final opponent. There is nothing interesting or truly satisfying to me about Naruto beating Orochimaru other than freeing Sasuke, and I also wouldn't really like that since Sasuke gets treated as a victim for consciously betraying his allies (but hey, Part II already sort of did that anyways so nothing much changes lol). But of course, I would still take him over last minute alien rabbit goddess mastermind.
Less that was a good stopping point and more that was as far as Kishi actually had any plans.
But had they beaten Orochi at that point, but the sucess of the series still demanded it keep going, they then could have jumped ahead like, I dunno, 5 or 8 years or something. Or done the dragonball thing. Jump ahead three years, do an arc, then jump another three years, then jump again. That way you get characters really aged up, world shaken, and Naruto working his way towards being the best seems like a lifelong achievement rather than something that appens in about two weeks. And the baggage from the first half of the story dealt with instead of carrying the same plot thread forever. Clean slate start on the new villains at that point and do whatever ideas come fresh,change up the locales or the kind of story being done in any given spot, rather than being completely locked into the Akatsuki thing and their timetable for the entire duration of the series. Each one of those guys could have still been the exact same arc boss that they were, but the overall story would have felt and worked better if they weren't so explicitly just one member of a bigger orginization, being chewed off one by one.
One Piece has the same structure, where there's multiple members of a big bad group, but they are all their own seperate entities rather than a group under one leader. So beating Crocodile or Moria or Dofla are their own events. Each saving their own territory and helping out new allies. In Naruto the big bads were all just minions so it never felt like real accomplishment or forward momentum other than hitting a checklist.
Or in Dragonball. It's hard to appreciate in territories that started with Z and Piccollo's reform arc, and where the anime aired in weird orders over long periods rather than weekly, but from the time Piccollo Sr arrived, died, his son was the big villain of a tournament, they fought Raditz, he trained Gohan, and THREE timeskips accounting for 9 years …. all took place in 8 volumes. Two years in real time. And Piccollo teamed against Raditz after only five. But two years! For all that! (And, impossible as it is to believe with how long the anime stretched, the Namek saga was only 7 volumes. Less than two years! Same with Androids and Buu. Two year arcs, all of them less than 8 volumes)
So heck, Naruto aping the same approach and aging the characters up a lot over time and even being multi-generational wouldn't even be a risk, because Dragonball already paved the way for letting the kids grow up. (And other more slice of life series like Hikaru no Go or Bakumon totally let the characters age.)
Inu Yasha fell into the same problem with Naraku being a permanent omnipresent threat that they never made any progress on over the course of like 50 volumes until the very end. It gets stale. You can't have the heroes lose constantly, and you also can't have the villain always losing and going "it was all actually part of my master plan anyway." It gets stale. You NEED to be able to change up your enemies every couple years. Or over in Bleach where Aizen dragged on far too long so that when he was finally beaten it really should have been the end of the series rather than it going another two arcs that never ended.
Pulling from the My Hero thread so it doens't get bogged down.
Smart move, I appreciate not having to derail the thread.
I understand your point, especially about One Piece. But I don't necessarily mind having a recurring antagonist faction like the Akatsuki (emphasis on like, it does not have to be them specifically) being the main/final threat in a shonen series. I don't even mind occasionally having some of its members being arc antagonists either. Shonen operates a lot on introducing a brand new villain every arc, but I think that also sort of gets stale in its own right if your series keeps spinning its wheels for years upon years. Feel free to disagree. I mainly stick with One Piece not just to see the next big bad and island, but to see where the plot heading with recurring antagonists like the Blackbeard Pirates, the Marines/World Government, and other characters foreshadowed for years upon years like Doflamingo. Without that sense of progression, One Piece becomes a lot less interesting as a series to binge and analyze since the arcs would then feel a lot more contained and borderline anthological. A type of structure which, although it allows for an amazing range of freedom in creativity, is always going to eventually bore me at some point and make me quit the series for a while if it's long running. I need a consistent hook to keep me invested in a series going for that long that is something other than the main characters just getting stronger. And the later that the final antagonist is introduced, the more risky reader investment is in the protagonist's last conflict being against that person.
And I think that is what's needed to make an antagonist faction like the Akatsuki work in an ideal world where Naruto's concepts were handled better. Progression. Where defeating an Akatsuki member or inhibiting one of their plans has more ramifications than a boss rush mode in a video game, which requires them to be more functional in the overall world events than stealing a new Tailed Beast now and then. Add in the occasional unorthodox antagonist victory, and you have something valuable there that keeps your readers invested in the long haul rather than relying on solely on throwing the next "bigger and badder" fresh face into the mix. Although there does need to be a balance with having other villains along the way instead of just the Akatsuki every single arc to let them not get too repetitive and have free room to breathe as they plan to make new plays. That's what My Hero Academia has been doing with the League of Villains in juxtaposition with the occasional off-tangent antagonist like Overhaul and Gentle, and it's working decently for the most part aside from how most of the characters there still haven't been developed to be interesting characters besides around three people.
The difference between the Akatsuki antagonists like Pilaf, Piccolo, and Vegeta is that an antagonist group like the Akatsuki as a whole is never going to be defeated in one arc. With that many members being so powerful, it's silly. That is an advantage allowing them to stay as interesting long-term antagonists in comparison. The trick is finding out how to keep them interesting instead of doing the same thing over and over again. And there requires a mix of ongoing mysteries, delayed character reveals, character development, different tactics/phases in achieving their goals, not losing all of the time, maybe having the minions be more than just minions and moreso "equal" bosses running independent operations like the Warlords/Yonko but connected to a shared goal, etc. Again, like the League of Villains in My Hero Academia. Although they also have the benefit of not already being top dogs like the Akatsuki and recruiting new members as the story progresses, so the grow at around the same rate the heroes do to give the heroes viable explanations for defeating them while upping their competence so we still take them seriously.
Now, Horikoshi can obviously screw up with the League of Villains at any time. But so far, I really appreciate the breath of fresh air My Hero Academia has in not having a repetitive brand new villain of the arc structure like Dragon Ball and One Piece. It fittingly feels like a superhero comic, but without making the villains repetitive losers who inexplicably keep escaping from jail all of the time in a perpetual cycle because of demand for familiar antagonists.
But making that work for a series like Naruto or My Hero Academia requires a LOT of planning ahead. Otherwise you get another Naraku who is permanently omnipresent, like you said, but has such little progression in stakes and actions that he ends up feeling more like a constant loose end burden than a villain makes you stay engaged with constant suspense throughout the story. Which Kishimoto was clearly never interested in. He winged plenty of Part I if you scrutinize the pacing:
First mission that ends up being the highest ranked mission
Chunin Exams with a full main cast out of nowhere
Village invasion war right that cancels the exams
Training arc with new Hokage search
Rescue arc about Naruto risking tooth and nail saving someone he wasn't even active teammates with for half the series at that point.
Almost every arc keeps dialing things up to 11 instead of allowing time for the series to breathe, set up world building that could actually pay off down the road instead of being sideshow lore, organically introducing new main characters gradually, and dedicating enough time to character relationships so that big events involving them feel properly captivating. Kishimoto just got REALLY lucky because Part 1 had a small amount of arcs that happened to be very long and he didn't immediately hit a ceiling of plot threads/supporting characters/antagonists he was expected to stay dedicated to. But that finally caught up with him in Part II, where you see all the seams fall apart and how much he only cares about main characters that are named Kakashi, Shikamaru, and Guy outside of the cornerstone that is Naruto and Sasuke. And that's not even getting into how much arbitrary plot focus the Uchiha get out of every faction in the ninja world.
I mainly agree with you overall, but I blame Part II's failings more on Kishimoto not properly investing time into planning out his main story beats in the future yet still trapping himself with so many supporting characters and recurring antagonists. Not so much that a concept of an overarching antagonist group like the Akatsuki can't ever work. I don't mind the same plot threads seemingly running forever and ever (One Piece is a testament to that) as long as you keep it feeling interesting and feel like it keeps gradually getting bigger rather than the same goal in sight from start to finish.
Naruto having multiple timeskips like Dragon Ball COULD feasibly work, that idea sounds interesting. I'm just not too keen on everything single "era" being this completely new black slate that can't carry on any old plot threads. They should work as individual stories with their own beginning/middle/end, sure, but they should still feel like they're building up a few things over time if the series wants to keep my interest. Dragon Ball got away with having completely new villains/goals without any overarching story lines for each saga, but I don't really need that again. Especially when series like One Piece and My Hero Academia are showing how fun it is to have recurring antagonists grow over time in balance with new premises/antagonists in-between.
Oh, I'm not saying it needed to be a complete blank slate every time or that it shouldn't have had an overarching big threat. HxH for all its flaws does that well with the Spiders and Hisoka. Slayers is my favorite series ever and it has top of the world big bads. Back when Beet the Vandel Buster was originally running, it had a big bad in the background and lots of underlings, and it worked. Berserk is basically a 30 year long revenge tale against Griffith, and that works fine. I could point to long running novel series but manga are the easy common ground in here. (But even Harry Potter didn't explicitly fight Voldemort in EVERY volume)
It's just that it shouldn't have been ONLY that overarching threat for basically all of part two. Every single arc was "find Akatsuki, fight scene, lose and discover weakeness, fight scene again, strike one member off." For years and years up until it launches into the final war that was super endless.
Within those "hunt a guy down and kill them" arc there was no world building going on, nothing exploring the new cities, no new side characters, almost no focus on the side characters we had. The only break I can think of we had was Danzo… a badguy from within the city who had legitimate points! But unfortunately just sort of came out of nowhere and was done within the same arc. (And also had a really stupid invinciibility power he didn't use very well.) If Danzo had been in the background of part one, or even a regular bit of background from the start of part 2, he could have been an amazing payoff. But he was just anohter villlain that showed up only to get beaten down.
So its not so much the big bad orginization that was the problem... its that each of those minions didn't really have a story arc built around them other than "show up, fight."
The anime was actually much better in that regard, the filler actually utilized the side teams and built the world... just unfortunately it was all... filler... so it couldn't ammount to anything.
I definitely concur with all of that. I think the most disappointing wastes of potential for me were an "Age of Danzo" arc (with buildup from Part I/early Part II) and not exploring more of the Mist Village's bloody history. Which I think was all manipulation by the Akatsuki instead of being as philosophically complex as we thought it was. Which was disappointing.
Ugh, this discussion brings back so much disappointment…
Honestly I feel like Naruto would have been a bit better if there wasn't set teams?
like you just get assigned into groups of three based on your graduating class/ninja judged to be of equal level to you with a supervisor jonin thrown in there
it could have been a neat way to have a fun ensemble cast feel by throwing Naruto in with different people and let Kishi actually use his gigantic fuckin' side cast a bit more
also Naruto should have had more moves than "shadow clones and energy orb variation"
as dumb as it was, if he got by partially on silly, sometimes clever, tricks like sexy jutsu he'd have a more defined style as a professional bullshitter
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Honestly I feel like Naruto would have been a bit better if there wasn't set teams?
like you just get assigned into groups of three based on your graduating class/ninja judged to be of equal level to you with a supervisor jonin thrown in there
it could have been a neat way to have a fun ensemble cast feel by throwing Naruto in with different people and let Kishi actually use his gigantic fuckin' side cast a bit more
Oh god yes, that irked me so much. Like, at the beginning it was understandable that Naruto and co. would work in a consistent group of three and it seemed that Kishi was steering away from that a bit with Sasuke Retrieval arc. But then the time skip happened and everyone is still in their same group of three and apparently it's a thing in this universe that you're destined to be in the same group of three that you started off with as a genin for the rest of your life. It's just…so lazy.
just gimme a dumb fuckin' mini-arc where Naruto, Lee, and Shino or who fuckin' ever go on a quest to find out if pizza exists yet in Naruto's weird ass world
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The anime actually did that pretty consistently.
This was mostly because Naruto's team had lost Sasuke and Sai was whatever, so Naruto just kept getting paired with the other groups at random.
Having the set groups of three is fine… you build up synergy with a team, coordination and trust and balances to each other's weaknesses... and on an authorial level the writer can get in personalities that consistently work well together.
But they shouldn't be in that team for life from age 12 to age 45, barring death. And... team ups should happen more often. Ah well.
MHA is sort of learning from those mistakes. It still has set main leads but it is throwing the side characters out at random.
Boruto's whole mantra of "I'll make dad acknowledge me!" Is super dumb lol. He acknowledges you plenty. God he's such a spoiled brat.
Isn't that the whole point of the movie though?
Isn't that movie all about Boruto to stop being a whiny baby always clinging to his dad and figuring out what his Dad actually does and the responsiblities that come with it? I mean the manga afterwards pretty much never brings it up afterwards, so it seems like a one and done character dev that, quite honestly was probably needed.
I guess that's true. I think maybe it's just annoying to me at this point because of all the filler that makes Boruto go over this too often. I wish the writers had figured out other ways to go about this. Or at least have plot that had nothing to do with his daddy issues. Having it rehashed so much before it reached canon material is overkill.
Well you'll be happy to know that it's pretty much dropped after the movie.
I'm worried they'll just insert more filler with more of the same. The manga hasn't progressed much since the movie.
So, Kawaki from the flash forward in the first chapter was introduced in the present in the latest chapter.
The bad guy, Kashin Koji, can use Rasengan and I think he summoned a toad.
Boruto's hand seal thing seems to be called Karma and he used it to cancel a Jutsu being used against Konohamaru, but he doesn't know how he did it.
A link would have sufficed, but a short summary of the chapter is fine too, I guess.
It's right here: https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/boruto-naruto-next-generations/en/0/23/
It's been out for over a week, so I assumed everyone already read it and I was just fishing for comments on those things lol
I'm just spoiled a little. Normally I forget Boruto even exists until someone comments in this thread.
Never expected they'd meet Kawaki so soon. But I guess the signs were all there. From what I remember in the first chapter, him and Boruto weren't that friendly, so maybe he won't stay in Konoha for long.
If this series devolves into another decade and a half shouting match between Boruto and Kawaki yelling each other's names over a lake or something, I'm gonna shit.
I'm just gonna fucking shit.
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
I dunno, I thought they came off as friends. We only have 3 pages, but Boruto does say, "Did things really have to turn out like this?".
Also, that Kashin Koji guy is totally Jiraiya's bastard son, right?
If this series devolves into another decade and a half shouting match between Boruto and Kawaki yelling each other's names over a lake or something, I'm gonna shit.
I'm just gonna fucking shit.
It can't last that long, can it?
Is there enough interest for a series that isn't even written by the original author?
If this series devolves into another decade and a half shouting match between Boruto and Kawaki yelling each other's names over a lake or something, I'm gonna shit.
I'm just gonna fucking shit.
Basically you're going to do what we all do naturally or when we have bowel troubles?
It can't last that long, can it?
Is there enough interest for a series that isn't even written by the original author?
We'll know if the series winds up getting cancelled in another few years.
It can't last that long, can it?
Is there enough interest for a series that isn't even written by the original author?
Saint Seiya originally had 28 volumes (although a sequel is being published) and it got a spin-off by a different author that went for 41 (25 regular volumes + 16 of side stories).
Boruto is still a thing?
Did Naruto die and/or Boruto get his awfully designed edgy powerup from that one manga page?
Boruto anime is going pretty strong, so i expect this spin-off to last another 2-3 years at least ( considering we get only one chapter a month, so it's no big deal either). It also sells to the point of roughly 3 lakhs copies( around 2.4 lakhs until falling off the oricon chart) per volume, which is quite decent for a spinoff.
Had to google "lakh". An indian unit, Lakh = 100 000.
Thanks, might come handy in a quiz some day. :happy:
haven't seen this series for a long time . How big are hinata and tsunade's tits now?
New chapter is out. https://readms.net/r/boruto/024/5128/1
They couldn't make Kawaki any more of a fucking emo edge lord, could they?
So edge. Very lord.
I'm a little out of date on Bort
who is this nu-metal sasuke and should he be called anything but nu-metal sasuke
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I'm a little out of date on Bort
who is this nu-metal sasuke and should he be called anything but nu-metal sasuke
He basically just got introduced this chapter. They found him unconscious in the last one. But you know as much as we do.
Sat on this for a few hours and holy shit, Kawaki feels like he's an amalgamation of everything Japanese kids or adults think is "edgy"
The two colors of hair, the hair being short at the end and long at the top. The piercings, the adult looking face, even the name Kawaki just screams. "I'M A PIT OF DARKNESS"
For the fist time I felt like this manga may be starting to walk with its own legs. But at the same time that Kawaki disgrace happened. Mangastream translation made him more bearable than JB's, though, since they toned down the insults (CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS PHRASE CAME TO EXISTENCE? IN THIS REALITY?).
I really like that Jigen guy looks, though.
