Momo went down after one slap with hands of the size of a car door, and still managed to make the steel wires.
Hadn't noticed how terrible at stealth Hagakure was to practically scream sneak attack from 2 meters away.
Momo went down after one slap with hands of the size of a car door, and still managed to make the steel wires.
Hadn't noticed how terrible at stealth Hagakure was to practically scream sneak attack from 2 meters away.
Ugh. Fungus growing in your throat is NOT something I want to imagine.
If it's actual mushrooms physically obstructing your throat, I find that way less creepy that actual fungus growing.
It would certainly fit if Bakugo's side won their match,
since (despite being anime-only) he did capture eight students solo during the zombie OVA.
It would be neat if we could see that supremely competent side of him again, like the form he showed at the sports festival.
It is reductive and counterproductive to reduce this exercice to points. Tokoyami and Momo did well enough, and if the rest of their team at least carried their weight, or mushroom girl wasn't around, then another result would be possible.
Next match up should be interesting. I think out of class B's side we've only seen Tetsutetsu?
We've already seen Honenuki in action during Cavalry Battle.
Sen Kaibara ("Gyrate") and Pony Tsunotori ("Horn Cannon") are mysteries, though.
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We've already seen Honenuki in action during Cavalry Battle.
Sen Kaibara ("Gyrate") and Pony Tsunotori ("Horn Cannon") are mysteries, though.
I don't recall Honenuki at all.
Nevermind. With his mask on I had no idea who he was lol. I was looking at the page of mashups and there's no names.
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We've already seen Honenuki in action during Cavalry Battle.
Sen Kaibara ("Gyrate") and Pony Tsunotori ("Horn Cannon") are mysteries, though.
What was the onomatopia used for the wall?
JPN: gon dogagan zudozzun
ENG: bam kaslam whamabam
The 4-0 curbstomp.
Class 1-A came really close to winning and were overpowering Class 1-B by the end of the match.
That's not a curbstomp.
Class 1-A came really close to winning and were overpowering Class 1-B by the end of the match.
That's not a curbstomp.
The outcome of the match is that all 4 members of class A were captured without Team B receiving any major injury or even being remotely close to having been put into the capture box themselves. To me that pretty much would be a "curbstomp" given the terms of the challenge.
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We've already seen Honenuki in action during Cavalry Battle.
Sen Kaibara ("Gyrate") and Pony Tsunotori ("Horn Cannon") are mysteries, though.
Kaibara's gonna work those hips
Yeah, that was pretty reckless of Tokoyami. And not that impressed about Yaoyorozu's strategy. They were constantly being outplayed and forced to defend and react instead of taking initiative. Team B was never in any serious danger. I'd say it's a flat out victory.
The outcome of the match is that all 4 members of class A were captured without Team B receiving any major injury or even being remotely close to having been put into the capture box themselves. To me that pretty much would be a "curbstomp" given the terms of the challenge.
Except we had Tokoyami taking hold of two of them, which counts as "remotely close" to being captured.
Manga also got his ass fairly kicked.
So yeah, your post is pretty much false. In a curbstomp, the losing team usually doesn't have a fighting chance.
You could say "but the spores!" and that is why Tokoyami should have KOed her.
If kendo can MEGASLAP Momo into a coma, then Tokoyami can chokehold Kinoko or something, and it would have been Manga vs Tokoyami, as Manga was very close to loosing his voice, with Kendo having to hold down Hagakure (or risk her faking a KO and escaping if she puts her down) and being held down by Momo.
Counting points specially in this context, is reductive and a poor way to measure character growth and interactions.
Except we had Tokoyami taking hold of two of them, which counts as "remotely close" to being captured.
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Manga also got his ass fairly kicked.
So yeah, your post is pretty much false. In a curbstomp, the losing team usually doesn't have a fighting chance.
I notice, you didn't highlight the last part of my statement : specifically "Given the terms of the competition". There is a difference between judging them on the potential they could have done and judging the outcome of the competition. From the terms of the competition they lost completely. They failed to get even one member of the other team into the box and they were all captured. That is a total loss.
Now looking at the individual strategies you could try to state something different, but honestly in my opinion class B used their abilities and strategy better than class A too. Kendo is a close range fighter so they put her in close and cut off support. That being said Momo's ability to create almost anything would still give her a tactical advantage, but she chose a flashy display to help her teammates instead of focusing on the threat in front of her. Yes helping out the team is tactically smart, but she basically had to give up her own fight to do it. Problem there was that she was the general of her team. They were going with her plan. Giving herself up at that point was worse. Ultimately it showed lack of faith in her team to handle themselves. Komori's ability to make mushrooms grow is very interesting, but not of great value in a head on battle unless she is willing to be very ruthless like making mushrooms grow in someone's eyes. The fact she hesitated to grow them in someones throat suggests a lack of ruthlessness. Thus hiding her and using her ability to make an invisible enemy visible and giving Kuroiro shadows to hide in was probably the smartest move they could make. Fukidashi has a ridiculous power that lets him make sounds that become actual effects. If anything he was underperforming, but it didn't matter. When Hagakure went back to stealth and found him, instead of gagging him, she decided to try and beat him up. Kuroiro was simply bait. His purpose was to draw Tokoyami and all of their team into concentrating only on him and seem like a greater threat than he would otherwise be. That plan work fantastically. He even managed to capture Aoyama, who honestly didn't achieve anything other than revealing Kuroiro one time. The fact that momo made up a strategy to counter their inability to find and remove Komori was great, but it fell flat because it didn't help to clinch victory.
On the up side Tokoyami showed off a new flying move for greater mobility, so that was cool.
In my opinion Class B won with more strategy, better use of powers, and better synergy. That also makes it a curb stomp. Yes Fukidashi and Komori likely used up their powers for the day in the process. Yes Kendo had to take out two herself. Yes Komori and Juroiro were temporarily held by Tokoyami. Even taking those facts into account, their goal was to win the challenge and they did that with really only Fukidashi being punched a few times which were injuries that were not that threatening.
If we can count Tokoyami not knocking Shemage out when he could, then we should count her purposefully not using the "breath-taking spores" before to not go overkill. She was clearly holding her quirk back to a much bigger extent.
At the end of the day it was a 4-0 win, which is the worst possible score a team could get in those fights, so I agree with the "curbstomp".
So far, Class-B is definitely looking better. Class-A only won the first fight because they had Shinso as a bonus and even with the number advantage it was not a complete victory (it was a 4-2). I know Shinso's presence was suggested to be both a good and a bad thing, but at least in the first fight his presence was a huge advantage and presented no drawbacks.
I notice, you didn't highlight the last part of my statement : specifically "Given the terms of the competition". There is a difference between judging them on the potential they could have done and judging the outcome of the competition. From the terms of the competition they lost completely. They failed to get even one member of the other team into the box and they were all captured. That is a total loss.
Now looking at the individual strategies you could try to state something different, but honestly in my opinion class B used their abilities and strategy better than class A too. Kendo is a close range fighter so they put her in close and cut off support. That being said Momo's ability to create almost anything would still give her a tactical advantage, but she chose a flashy display to help her teammates instead of focusing on the threat in front of her. Yes helping out the team is tactically smart, but she basically had to give up her own fight to do it. Problem there was that she was the general of her team. They were going with her plan. Giving herself up at that point was worse. Ultimately it showed lack of faith in her team to handle themselves. Komori's ability to make mushrooms grow is very interesting, but not of great value in a head on battle unless she is willing to be very ruthless like making mushrooms grow in someone's eyes. The fact she hesitated to grow them in someones throat suggests a lack of ruthlessness. Thus hiding her and using her ability to make an invisible enemy visible and giving Kuroiro shadows to hide in was probably the smartest move they could make. Fukidashi has a ridiculous power that lets him make sounds that become actual effects. If anything he was underperforming, but it didn't matter. When Hagakure went back to stealth and found him, instead of gagging him, she decided to try and beat him up. Kuroiro was simply bait. His purpose was to draw Tokoyami and all of their team into concentrating only on him and seem like a greater threat than he would otherwise be. That plan work fantastically. He even managed to capture Aoyama, who honestly didn't achieve anything other than revealing Kuroiro one time. The fact that momo made up a strategy to counter their inability to find and remove Komori was great, but it fell flat because it didn't help to clinch victory.
On the up side Tokoyami showed off a new flying move for greater mobility, so that was cool.
In my opinion Class B won with more strategy, better use of powers, and better synergy. That also makes it a curb stomp. Yes Fukidashi and Komori likely used up their powers for the day in the process. Yes Kendo had to take out two herself. Yes Komori and Juroiro were temporarily held by Tokoyami. Even taking those facts into account, their goal was to win the challenge and they did that with really only Fukidashi being punched a few times which were injuries that were not that threatening.
Momo did what she could, which was giving her team a chance to win.
The cannon was flashy, but that's exactly why it worked, as it startled Kendou and gave Momo a chance to fire off her tools in one sitting. Anything else would've been crushed or dodged.
People say Momo could've taken down Kendou, but there was nothing hinting that was possible. If even tungsten shields (much harder than titanium) don't work, then what does? The whole point was that Kendou wasn't giving Momo any chance to counterattack.
Also, how can you say she had no faith in her teammates when her plan was literally to shoot the necessary tools for them to use? She even created goggles specifically made for Tokoyami's head shape.
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If we can count Tokoyami not knocking Shemage out when he could, then we should count her purposefully not using the "breath-taking spores" before to not go overkill. She was clearly holding her quirk back to a much bigger extent.
At the end of the day it was a 4-0 win, which is the worst possible score a team could get in those fights, so I agree with the "curbstomp".
I'm assuming Kinoko's ability is too dangerous and unsuitable for hero work when used like that, so I wouldn't be surprised if she gets chewed out for it.
But would people care if Ashido melted Monoma?
Momo did what she could, which was giving her team a chance to win.
The cannon was flashy, but that's exactly why it worked, as it startled Kendou and gave Momo a chance to fire off her tools in one sitting. Anything else would've been crushed or dodged.
People say Momo could've taken down Kendou, but there was nothing hinting that was possible. If even tungsten shields (much harder than titanium) don't work, then what does? The whole point was that Kendou wasn't giving Momo any chance to counterattack.
Also, how can you say she had no faith in her teammates when her plan was literally to shoot the necessary tools for them to use? She even created goggles specifically made for Tokoyami's head shape.
I'm assuming Kinoko's ability is too dangerous and unsuitable for hero work when used like that, so I wouldn't be surprised if she gets chewed out for it.
But would people care if Ashido melted Monoma?
I think the "no faith" can be seen in Momo taking the time to send support items instead of figuring out a way to restrain or incapacitate Kendo. But ultimately it didn't work out for them either way.
I think Horikoshi made abundantly clear that Momo couldn't beat Kendo in that situation. She had two options: use the little time she had to try to win her 1x1 or use it to improve the chances of her teammates doing it. They ended up failing, but the idea Horikoshi clearly tried to convey is that she made the right call as she would have been defeated by Kendo either way.
I mean, given the endless possibilities of her quirk of course there were many ways she should be able to overcome Kendo, but it's like Horikoshi is telling us "for the sake of the current situation, assume she couldn't".
I think the "no faith" can be seen in Momo taking the time to send support items instead of figuring out a way to restrain or incapacitate Kendo. But ultimately it didn't work out for them either way.
If she had no faith on them, she would've blew up the wall in order to go after them, like Kendou thought.
Making tools for them means she expected them to deal with everything. That's the opposite of having no faith.
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I think Horikoshi made abundantly clear that Momo couldn't beat Kendo in that situation. She had two options: use the little time she had to try to win her 1x1 or use it to improve the chances of her teammates doing it. They ended up failing, but the idea Horikoshi clearly tried to convey is that she made the right call as she would have been defeated by Kendo either way.
I mean, given the endless possibilities of her quirk of course there were many ways she should be able to overcome Kendo, but it's like Horikoshi is telling us "for the sake of the current situation, assume she couldn't".
What's with all the people underestimating Kendo?
Like, in a similar situation, do you think Momo could overcome Izuku? Or Katsuki? Kendo is as much of a strategist as Momo and a better close-range fighter.
The problem is Momo can create a working cannon, working infrared goggles and working spray bottles filled with fungicide. We are talking about multiple objects with small and incredibly complex structures + a very specific chemical compound. If she can make things so damn complex, you can assume she can pretty much create anything.
I mean, it would be one thing if she knew this fight was coming and prepared in advance… like, spending the night before memorizing the structure of those specific objects. But she being able to come out with something as complex as infrared goggles out of the blue as if it is just one of the many things she has memorized all the time...
If she can produce bottled fungicide out of her skin, she can produce simply the fungicide without the bottle, so why not tear gas? Sleeping gas? She should be able to simply release huge amounts of gas out of her skin while at the same time creating a mask for herself (since she can produce things from anywhere in her body, she could even produce the mask already in place rather than having to put it). That's not something Kendo should be able to counter unless she halted her attack for that (like she did with that gas kid on the forest, focusing on blocking his gas instead of attacking him) and that's just one possibility out of the endless things Momo should be able to do with her op quirk.
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The problem is Momo can create a working cannon, working infrared goggles and working spray bottles filled with fungicide. We are talking about multiple objects with small and incredibly complex structures + a very specific chemical compound. If she can make things so damn complex, you can assume she can pretty much create anything.
I mean, it would be one thing if she knew this fight was coming and prepared in advance… like, spending the night before memorizing the structure of those specific objects. But she being able to come out with something as complex as infrared goggles out of the blue as if it is just one of the many things she has memorized all the time...
If she can produce bottled fungicide out of her skin, she can produce simply the fungicide without the bottle, so why not tear gas? Sleeping gas? She should be able to simply release huge amounts of gas out of her skin while at the same time creating a mask for herself (since she can produce things from anywhere in her body, she could even produce the mask already in place rather than having to put it). That's not something Kendo should be able to counter unless she halted her attack for that (like she did with that gas kid on the forest, focusing on blocking his gas instead of attacking him) and that's just one possibility out of the endless things Momo should be able to do with her op quirk.
Why wouldn't she have infrared goggles memorized? It's such an useful tool, especially for hero work.
She has memorized weapons, gas masks, shields, handcuffs… I would say the antifungal spray was more Deus Ex Machina due to being so situational.
I don't know about making a gas mask that's already strapped on, considering how Momo's creations tend to come out like if she were a walking dispenser machine. You could argue the moment Momo equipped a gas mask, Kendou would know what's up and strike.
Maybe she could take Kendou if she wanted, but I dunno if that decision would be the correct one. She would lose time and what such.
I mean, when it comes to grades, Momo is the top of the class. Sure she might study how do most things she creates works as training for hero work.
I would say the antifungal spray was more Deus Ex Machina due to being so situational.
That one's like the simplest thing actually! It's just a single type of molecule—ethanol (plus the aluminum spray can or whatever).
Piece of cake compared to a working tracking device programmed from scratch, physically, at the binary level and loaded with local maps.
Funny comic I found on tumblr
From letssugame
I don't know about making a gas mask that's already strapped on, considering how Momo's creations tend to come out like if she were a walking dispenser machine. You could argue the moment Momo equipped a gas mask, Kendou would know what's up and strike.
She could simply make the mask come out from her face but don't completely detach it from her skin (like the ropes she used to tie Kendo, which were still stuck to her body), that would remove the need to strap it.
She could also produce the gas inside a breakable container so she could just throw it to make sure it would affect Kendo faster instead of waiting for it to spread through the air… since she doesn't need to detach the items from her skin, she could also first create shooters that could stay fix to her body and allow the containers with gas to be shot with air pressure, rather than throwing it manually... or she could use gunpowder like with the cannon. Kendou would probably try to block those, so she could use them as diversion to throw darts with paralyzing poison. She mentioned creating something as big as a cannon takes a while and she still had time to do it, so all these things would be a lot faster. I assume she could also just make numerous poison-covered spikes/thorns come out from her body and not detach them...
Machine gun nipples that shoot bullets covered in sea-wasp poison! Ok, that wouldn't be very hero-like...
(Now I'm just having fun picturing what she can do)
Why wouldn't she have infrared goggles memorized? It's such an useful tool, especially for hero work.
She has memorized weapons, gas masks, shields, handcuffs… I would say the antifungal spray was more Deus Ex Machina due to being so situational.
I don't know about making a gas mask that's already strapped on, considering how Momo's creations tend to come out like if she were a walking dispenser machine. You could argue the moment Momo equipped a gas mask, Kendou would know what's up and strike.
Maybe she could take Kendou if she wanted, but I dunno if that decision would be the correct one. She would lose time and what such.
You are not wrong. It is possible she made the best possible decision. Strangely though it is equally possible that she made the worst possible decision. We have the advantage of judging the situation from the outside, so we have to take our extra knowledge and opinions on what could have happened out of the equation. I know that is a bit hypocritical of me to say so after posting 2 paragraphs on how they could have done better, but I did that on purpose. Ultimately my statements were using my point of view to judge the situation. Maybe I'll be proven right in the story, probably I won't. That is why we have to judge the outcome based on the rules. They lost 4 to 0. How they could have won if they had just done something different doesn't matter. If this was an actual villain vs hero dual there would be 4 dead hero's and 4 alive villains (depending on who was the villain).
You are not wrong. It is possible she made the best possible decision. Strangely though it is equally possible that she made the worst possible decision. We have the advantage of judging the situation from the outside, so we have to take our extra knowledge and opinions on what could have happened out of the equation. I know that is a bit hypocritical of me to say so after posting 2 paragraphs on how they could have done better, but I did that on purpose. Ultimately my statements were using my point of view to judge the situation. Maybe I'll be proven right in the story, probably I won't. That is why we have to judge the outcome based on the rules. They lost 4 to 0. How they could have won if they had just done something different doesn't matter. If this was an actual villain vs hero dual there would be 4 dead hero's and 4 alive villains (depending on who was the villain).
If you want to get really technical, then Yaoyorozu is not even the one to blame for the result. That would be Tokoyami, who had the tools to beat Black and Mushroom (but got reckless with the latter), and was likely too much for Kendo to handle (due to being a better fighter than Momo and having a Quirk that is pretty much invincible against non-light users, plus the fact that Kendo was binded). Manga was already too weak to do anything by then as his onomatopoeias weren't even leaving his mouth.
So really, putting the loss on Yao's account is kinda unfair to begin with.
This loss is on Hagakure and Aoyama. A 2v4 wasn't fair.
Yep, Momo put her team in the best position she could in order to win. Tokoyami was good but didn't finish, and Hagakure and Aoyama didn't pull their weight at all.
I'll accept Momo losing if she reflects on her close combat weakness and improves. She's known she's bad in that regard for a while now. She doesn't have to become a master at it, just have some sort of plan if it happens again. As for Aoyama and Hagakure, they have nowhere to go but up. I'll be shocked if anyone in Class A does worse than them.
I'll accept Momo losing if she reflects on her close combat weakness and improves. She's known she's bad in that regard for a while now. She doesn't have to become a master at it, just have some sort of plan if it happens again. As for Aoyama and Hagakure, they have nowhere to go but up. I'll be shocked if anyone in Class A does worse than them.
It would be unlikely to do worse since the next 3 rounds include at least one powerhouse.
Am I the only one who finds Yayorozu's ability pretty boring? She can literally make anything with enough time. It'd be more interesting if her power had limitations like can't make items with complex chemical reactions or small moving parts or can't make things that have a larger mass than herself. She'd actually have to get creative with what she uses instead of I literally made the perfect counter for this situation (the fact that her teammates lost her the fight only makes her loss more pathetic).
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Am I the only one who finds Yayorozu's ability pretty boring? She can literally make anything with enough time. It'd be more interesting if her power had limitations like can't make items with complex chemical reactions or small moving parts or can't make things that have a larger mass than herself. She'd actually have to get creative with what she uses instead of I literally made the perfect counter for this situation (the fact that her teammates lost her the fight only makes her loss more pathetic).
Same. She suffers from heavy Green Lantern-ism. Her only limitation is how many chemical formulas she knows, but that means virtually nothing when she just summoned a cannon with infrared goggles and she is already the smartest person in the class (probably in the whole school for all we know lol). A mass weakness could work. And/or maybe delving into how she only knows certain elements/compounds well, but you would have to delve into that ahead of time. And/or if the items she makes have a time limit before they break down (but time limits in comics suck since the author can shorten and extend that however they please). And/or if she could only make a certain quantity of items.
Her only limit seems to be physical and psychological weaknesses. Which are good, but easily complement a power as versatile as this.
I feel like all the effort that went to making the goggles would've been better served just making a gun.
I don't like the "small moving parts" limitation, as it delves into what constitutes an object for her quirk, and if it's nails, or bullets, or things that are too arbitrary for my tastes.
Composition tho. I'd like if it was limited to elements, for example: iron, go for it, steel? nope. Oxigen, keep the fire going, plain ol' air or water? no can do. Maybe keep it to the lower side of the atomic table to avoid radioactive solutions for your needs.
Her limiting factor, besides knowledge, seems to be stamina, as that was the objective of her training on the camp, and time as was shown that she took her sweet time to make the googles and the gas.
Can she make raw elements? Because Momo just whipping out a chunk of raw uranium during a fight would be funny.
She keeps making Tungsten/Wolframium doesn't she?
Fuck this shit, Infrared technology requires software to interpretate the heat signals into images. She coded with her skin.
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Aparently is a series of lenses, that block regular light but not infrared light, that is emited by any heat source, into an special lense that can generate the image when analyzed.
So, Momo is pirating software.
Momo really steals? No dignity.
Like hey, instead of something convoluted like infrared goggles, how about something cool and simple like a flammable liquid like kerosene or ethanol. Which Aoyama could then set alight with his laser beam burning down all the mushrooms and creating a smokescreen cover where both sides will be equally disadvantaged in knowing each others' positions. Also the smoke would give more shadows for Tokoyama to work with, Maybe Invisible Girl can do something in the confusion. Act like a lure with her reflective abilities or something. Look at that, creative teamwork and synergy where characters show their growth by combining their weird quirks in shockingly effective and clever ways. Opposed to one character doing all the heavy lifting. But according to the end of the chapter, Team A really grew and Team B felt like they lost lol
All I'm saying is that if Mushroom Girl is allowed to choked Tokoyami out, then Toru is allowed a garrote wire.
Trying to make sense in a series where children learn to be superheroes ruled by a big talking mouse.
If it makes sense on Horikoshi's head then there is no helping it. If you don't like it, don't read it.
When people start writtin their fanfic on how to improve the manga, or dismiss any critcism because "It's a manga", it's time for me to leave.
Momo can produce with software components…
To this day, people still praises Superman despite of all the bullshit that can destroy the whole world in real life.
I wonder what Aizawa´s take is gonna be, I hope he recognizes that Momo and Tokoyami did good enough, but that Tooru and Aoyama need to start taking the hero course more seriously.
Also, for the next one I hope that the skull-faced kid that con soften things shows why he is a recommended stuntent. Also it would be nice if Ojiro gets to show off a little, I always thought that Mei could make him an staff that becomes larger, it would be go well with the monkey king theme. Well, he would also need a partner/sidekick that creates flying clouds, but that can wait for now.
To this day, people still praises Superman despite of all the bullshit that can destroy the whole world in real life.
To this day, Superman is also one of the most hated superheroes by mainstream public for looking too overpowered and not "relatable"/grounded like Batman. And he' famously knowm fir being a tough character to write because of those powers.
I say all of that as a Superman fan. You should never write a character like Superman unless the entire story purposefully focuses on analyzing the life and effects of an overpowered being like One Punch Man or Meruem in Hunter x Hunter. Or if you need to balance an overpowered character and have them defeated, they need some serious psychological disadvantages and built-up plot devices/strategies for their opponents.