Volume 89 is scheduled to be released on June 04 **2****018 !
Also We Have a One Piece Party, on The Same Time**
Volume 89 is scheduled to be released on June 04 **2****018 !
Also We Have a One Piece Party, on The Same Time**
And I was hoping the long gap between 87 and 88 would allow for a May release. I guess all the Christmas breaks cancelled out any chapter buffer the extra month between the last two volumes would have created. Damn.
On the plus side, at least the Viz release should gain a volume (unless they only release three in 2019 to even things out).
Katakuri cover pleaseeeeeee!!!!
Katakuri plus snakeman would be the best.
And a flaming Big Mom looming over them? This is an eventful volume with many climaxes so Oda can go nut with the cover.
A bit too early to predict a cover, we still have 3 or 4 chapters to go until we know the full contents. But the bulk of it is definitely the Luffy vs. Katakuri fight. So something a bit like volume 44 which featured Luffy vs. Lucci would look nice. I would also love to see flaming Big Mom, that design is just amazingly terrifying!
I know we haven't made it through all the chapters in this volume yet, but already calling "The Last Stand" as the title.
Strong choice, describes the volume's content in full: The Last Stand
Runner up choice, descriptive, but a bit narrow: Captain Luffy VS General Katakuri
Possible alternative to either of the above: whatever chapter 900 ends up being
The Oda Volume Title Blindside: They Believe in Me
This chapter (900) is the perfect volume ender, and would give the volume 11 chapters
…But knowing volumes, 899 will end up being the last chapter
The last volume had 10 chapters ending at 889. So an 11 chapter volume starting at 890 with the strawhats holding off Big Mom, and ending with 900 would be perfect. It would be a really packed volume.
Chapter 900 is the last one. There's no doubt in my mind. You couldn't make a volume ending cliffhanger more perfect.
Chapter 900 is the last one. There's no doubt in my mind. You couldn't make a volume ending cliffhanger more perfect.
As perfect as Volume 52 would be if it ended on Chapter 513? Or Volume 45 if it would have ended with Chapter 441?
If this volume isn't ending on Chapter 900, I'm going to take that as implicit confirmation that Jump is too cowardly to bookend One Piece volumes with the Straw Hats or their major allies getting obliterated for cliffhangers.
@Count:
As perfect as Volume 52 would be if it ended on Chapter 513?
Has there ever been any reason given while they've done this? I mean, I remember reading Chapter 513 when it was released and I honestly don't think that the series ever had a better cliffhanger…
@Count:
As perfect as Volume 52 would be if it ended on Chapter 513?
This and the timeskip happening in the middle of a volume are the 2 worst offenders. They absolutely baffle me and trigger my OCD whenever I remember them. They should really prove to people that Oda doesn't stretch/shorten this or that plotline because of volume enders.
There might be some hope since Oda even broke his regular break schedule but yeah…
@Count:
As perfect as Volume 52 would be if it ended on Chapter 513? Or Volume 45 if it would have ended with Chapter 411?
If this volume isn't ending on Chapter 900, I'm going to take that as implicit confirmation that Jump is too cowardly to bookend One Piece volumes with the Straw Hats or their major allies getting obliterated for cliffhangers.
Yeah, this is a good point and has significantly damaged my certainty. But I stand by my prediction. Why? Chapter 512 ends with Zoro vanishing, which is less enormous than the whole crew disappearing, but on a first time read, when you don't know they're all gonna be blasted away, is still a huge point to leave hanging over the readers' heads. Chapter 440 (think you got your numbers mixed up there) ends with the reveal of the dark dark fruit, a dramatically presented moment that would have had big implications for Blackbeard's character and larger role in the story whether or not we saw the rest of the fight after that point.
If there's one thing I think has become clear over the years, it's that Oda doesn't like to end a volume and a storyline at the same time. It's either a cliffhanger within an ongoing story, or the new story will start within the volume. You can't get the end of one story without the start of another. That has to be a deliberate tactic to keep the volume readers hooked. But there's no such hook that I can see in chapter 899. The last pages have the Sun Pirates arriving and all but guaranteeing the crew's escape. It's too clean, it feels like it's resolving the Tottoland arc instead of creating a cliffhanger for the last leg of it or leading into whatever comes next. If 899 had anything that actually felt like it would make a good ending I'd agree with that, but it just kinda doesn't, in my eyes.
But I've been extremely wrong in my thoughts on what feels like the right place to cut a volume before, so believe what you will.
(also is it really Jump that's choosing to do it the way it's done? Oda talks in the SBS's for volumes 63 and 69 about having a say in where the volumes start and stop, specifically about being able to push for longer ones when he wants the story to be cut off at a certain point. Like it or not, the evidence suggests that all the weird end points to date have been his choice.)
Chapter 440 (think you got your numbers mixed up there) ends with the reveal of the dark dark fruit, a dramatically presented moment that would have had big implications for Blackbeard's character and larger role in the story whether or not we saw the rest of the fight after that point.[[/QUOTE]
Thank you for catching that. But I still count that as a bad cutting off point since it comes halfway between Ace vs. Blackbeard. It forces readers to buy one whole volume, one that starts a whole new arc too, just to read one more chapter. And that volume is only ten chapters long, so there is no excuse. Although this supports your theory, as much as I dislike that potential reality of cheap salesmanship. And while this happened years later, it is even the only reason Viz's second box set has 23 volumes instead of 22. Which is awkward considering how the next box set has Thriller Bark in the name yet doesn't even have the arc's beginning.I didn't know who to blame it on. So I'll make sure to blame Oda, like I do with every other nitpick I have about this manga. So much for giving him the benefit of the doubt this time lol.
In the case of Vol. 52 not ending on chapter 513, I believe the reasoning was that the price of the volumes were going up (by like the equivalent of a quarter or thereabouts) and Oda said in either an SBS or an interview around that time that he wasn't going to do eleven-chapter volumes anymore since he didn't want what he saw as his primary audience (kids) to have to pay an additional surcharge. Chapter 513 would've been the eleventh chapter of Vol. 52 had it been included, and I think since then Oda's backed away from that stance since we've had more eleven-chapter volumes since and even one or two twelve+ ones (albeit with shorter chapters than normal).
Chapter 900 is the last one. There's no doubt in my mind. You couldn't make a volume ending cliffhanger more perfect.
While I agree, Oda ended volume 52 in chapter 512 instead of the perfect finale in chapter 513 (when the whole crew were separated by Kuma).
@Count:
Thank you for catching that. But I still count that as a bad cutting off point since it comes halfway between Ace vs. Blackbeard. It forces readers to buy one whole volume, one that starts a whole new arc too, just to read one more chapter. And that volume is only ten chapters long, so there is no excuse. Although this supports your theory, as much as I dislike that potential reality of cheap salesmanship. And while this happened years later, it is even the only reason Viz's second box set has 23 volumes instead of 22. Which is awkward considering how the next box set has Thriller Bark in the name yet doesn't even have the arc's beginning.
I didn't know who to blame it on. So I'll make sure to blame Oda, like I do with every other nitpick I have about this manga. So much for giving him the benefit of the doubt this time lol.
Cheap tactic or not, sales figures suggest it's working :P
Creating cliffhangers and never leaving an installment feeling like everything's wrapped up is just a reality of sequential storytelling. It goes a long way to make sure the non-diehard-fan reader stays engaged and keeps coming back. Dude wants his comic to sell, can't hold that against him. You'll find it in most volumes of most manga. Hell, even Jojo, with the most obviously distinct arcs ever would put the end of one part in the same volume as the start of the next in most cases prior to part 6.
That said, I am also a bit annoyed at how it screwed up Viz's attempt to group the volumes by arc for their banners/box sets. Viz could have handled that better, but Oda didn't give them the best foundation to build a system like that on.
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In the case of Vol. 52 not ending on chapter 513, I believe the reasoning was that the price of the volumes were going up (by like the equivalent of a quarter or thereabouts) and Oda said in either an SBS or an interview around that time that he wasn't going to do eleven-chapter volumes anymore since he didn't want what he saw as his primary audience (kids) to have to pay an additional surcharge. Chapter 513 would've been the eleventh chapter of Vol. 52 had it been included, and I think since then Oda's backed away from that stance since we've had more eleven-chapter volumes since and even one or two twelve+ ones (albeit with shorter chapters than normal).
Now this is interesting info. I haven't had much reason to pay attention to Japanese prices, obviously, so do the more recent longer volumes actually cost any more than the shorter ones? But if that is the case, I guess it raises the question of whether or not he originally wrote some of these orphaned eleventh chapters to be in the previous books and changed his mind. We may never know.
(we've had three 12 chapter books, 63 and 78 had short chapters, but all of 69's were actually full length, 19 page installments. Needless to say, it's the longest volume of OP by a significant margin)
Cheap tactic or not, sales figures suggest it's working :P
Creating cliffhangers and never leaving an installment feeling like everything's wrapped up is just a reality of sequential storytelling. It goes a long way to make sure the non-diehard-fan reader stays engaged and keeps coming back. Dude wants his comic to sell, can't hold that against him. You'll find it in most volumes of most manga. Hell, even Jojo, with the most obviously distinct arcs ever would put the end of one part in the same volume as the start of the next in most cases prior to part 6.
That said, I am also a bit annoyed at how it screwed up Viz's attempt to group the volumes by arc for their banners/box sets. Viz could have handled that better, but Oda didn't give them the best foundation to build a system like that on.
Nah, I ain't for that. My selfish OCD demands clearcut endings when you can meet them. I will not budge on this. Especially when this is what western comic book collections aspire for, whether they're volumes or omnibuses.
@Count:
Nah, I ain't for that. My selfish OCD demands clearcut endings when you can meet them. I will not budge on this. Especially when this is what western comic book collections aspire for, whether they're volumes or omnibuses.
Aye, fair enough, I'm certainly not gonna say you're wrong to want that. The manga industry is gonna do what it does tho.
If it's worth anything to you, the logs tend to group things a bit better, and the eventual kanzenbans probably well as well. But best of luck trying to wait for the former in English and the latter at all.
Aye, fair enough, I'm certainly not gonna say you're wrong to want that. The manga industry is gonna do what it does tho.
If it's worth anything to you, the logs tend to group things a bit better, and the eventual kanzenbans probably well as well. But best of luck trying to wait for the former in English and the latter at all.
I'm planning on waiting until there are at least four One Piece box sets to start collecting One Piece physically. But if the logs start getting localized before then, I might just consider getting them instead. So thanks for the heads up!
@Count:
I'm planning on waiting until there are at least four One Piece box sets to start collecting One Piece physically. But if the logs start getting localized before then, I might just consider getting them instead. So thanks for the heads up!
Like I said, I wouldn't hold my breath, not with the 3 in 1 volumes being a thing. And like, those are good value in terms of price to pages, but just pulling three full volumes at once makes for even weirder blocks of story in each book. (my personal hope that they'll start doing the colour version, and do it in log book sized collections, but hey, I'm a bit of a dreamer)
But yeah the box sets seem a good way to go. I've got all the individual volumes and even the ones with slightly weird end points still make for satisfying chunks of story. Plus, when you've got the set, you can just keep on reading if you don't like there it stops.
Found it. It's in the SBS for chapter 517 in Vol. 53, which isn't included in the Viz version for some reason. The reader asks about changes in the volume release schedule, and this is the meat of what Oda says:
Also, while I'm at it I'm going to announce that the other thing I mentioned in the SBS about having eleven-chapter volumes will no longer occur. About the previous volume, they increased the price slightly for all JUMP volumes. At the same time, they told me that fitting in eleven chapters would mean a twenty-yen bump. If you end up paying twenty more yen for a volume it's not much of a bonus anymore, is it? So in the future there will only be ten chapters in a volume, max.
Twenty yen is the rough equivalent of twenty cents, so I hope no one told Oda that we Americans had our prices bumped up by the equivalent of nearly 215 yen.
Found it. It's in the SBS for chapter 517 in Vol. 53, which isn't included in the Viz version for some reason. The reader asks about changes in the volume release schedule, and this is the meat of what Oda says:
Twenty yen is the rough equivalent of twenty cents, so I hope no one told Oda that we Americans had our prices bumped up by the equivalent of nearly 215 yen.
Huh. No wonder I missed that then. Though I can see the thinking in cutting it, discussing the pricing of the Japanese volumes isn't going to mean much to the average western reader. I guess they must have worked something out with the cost of printing the books then, because he sure didn't stick to ten. And yeah, you reckon he'd have an aneurysm if he saw what the English volumes are worth by the time they reach Australian retailers? It's nearly four times the yen value listed for the latest volume on Amazon.jp!
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but I don't like Flanpee's character very much. But knowing that Oda likes sometimes to put minor characters in covers, and given her participation in this volume, I'm really afraid that she'll be in the cover, laughing behind while Luffy and Kata fight in the foreground.
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but I don't like Flanpee's character very much.
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion.
She sucks.
Somehow Japan probably has a spot in the top 20 of the next popularity poll for her.
My pals at the Charlotte Flampe Official Fan Club will be disappointed by all these haters
So chapter 890 to 900 include:
That's a lot of stuff
I think Oda can push for an extra chapter to be included if he REALLY wants it, but then has to cut back on SBS stuff and well, its not a demand even he can push too often where they just eat the cost of the extra pages to keep the price the same. (Yes, even as much as OP sells the cost of those pages has to come from somewhere. It might even be possible he has to take that hit himself when he makes that request.)
But yes, it's really odd and akward that there's been multiple places where it would have been super nice to have a nice clean cut and end a volume on a good spot.
Not even Dragonball is immune to this. Volume 2! (yes 2!) actually has 13 chapters rather than the 12 the rest of the series has, so that it can have the start of a new story in the final chapter rather than stopping on what seems like a finale note with the dragonballs used and everyone going their seperate ways. And of course, Toriyama probably originally paced it to end with volume 2 in case it didn't catch on.
And of course end of the Piccollo Jr. fight goes into volume 17 and then there's a timeskip and that's where Z starts… which due to Viz splitting the series leads to them packing in two or three more chapters into volume 16 than usual... which does actually lead to a clean ending and stopping point.
So those examples also considered, I have to think the not having clean story breaks at the end of a volume is super intentional... they don't want readers deciding they can stop there. (Not that the crew scattered cliffhanger wouldn't drag people back?)
Nothing will ever be as bad as HxH though which flat out had a series ending chapter, then made sure the next chapter (and the last in the volumes) set up a brand new arc just to assure people it wasn't actually ended.
And then he went on a hiatus so it took like two years for the next volume to hit.
Volume 89 will consist 216 pages which will be 11 Chapters From Chapter 890 to 900.
Arent 11 chapter volumes rare, for oda to do this just for 900, which really didnt bookend much is a little odd.
Volume 89 will consist 216 pages which will be 11 Chapters From Chapter 890 to 900.
That's perfect end to the volume.
@Long:
Arent 11 chapter volumes rare, for oda to do this just for 900, which really didnt bookend much is a little odd.
900 makes for a good cliffhanger.
@Long:
Arent 11 chapter volumes rare, for oda to do this just for 900, which really didnt bookend much is a little odd.
based on what i know, its common to have 9, 10, or 11 chapter, but rarely oda make it 8 chapter only, or 12 chapter only, but we also have that before
based on what i know, its common to have 9, 10, or 11 chapter, but rarely oda make it 8 chapter only, or 12 chapter only, but we also have that before
It's good to have the actual numbers for this debate laid out, nice work. I'm standing by the idea of 11 chapters for volume 89.
I think I recall kishimoto making a volume have 13 chapters to fit completely the sasuke vs itachi fight. If kishimoto can get that done, then Oda definitely can
Yeah, it'd be ridiculous if Oda didn't get the 900 cliffhanger at the end of the volume. Even if the cliffhanger's tone kinda sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the surrounding story, ain't nothing like a little shock and awe to get volume readers pumped.
Hm, looking at the Japanese volume page counts I'm noticing that the average page count doesn't fall for the most part after the chapter length was reduced by two pages, like Vol. 73 and Vol. 78 both having 216 pages total with ten chapters each despite the latter theoretically having twenty less pages. Do they just try to make up the difference with more fan art pages or merchandise advertisements or something?
Hm, looking at the Japanese volume page counts I'm noticing that the average page count doesn't fall for the most part after the chapter length was reduced by two pages, like Vol. 73 and Vol. 78 both having 216 pages total with ten chapters each despite the latter theoretically having twenty less pages. Do they just try to make up the difference with more fan art pages or merchandise advertisements or something?
Actually those two volumes have mostly 19 page chapters. The two page reduction hasn't been a totally uniform thing, it's come and gone a few times since Marineford. Vol 78 was the last time we got a consistent run of 19 page, non colour spread chapters though.
To generalise enormously, Marineford was the first reduction to 17 and sometimes 15 pages, but it picked back up to 19 for all the postwar stuff and the reunion. Dropped again on the way to Fishman Island and through the flashback there. Picked up again for the battle at the end of FI and stayed mostly consistent through Punk Hazard, but with a few more drops to 17 than average in the middle there. Early Dressrosa mostly had 19 pages with a couple of drops to 17 or 15, but it wasn't consistently low until about halfway through vol 75, with vol 78 being the only return to long chapters since then.
So yeah, there's been a few ups and downs, and of course these are very averaged out figures. There's longer or shorter outliers in every one of those sections, and I don't just mean colour spread chapters.
Amazon.jp lists a pagecount of 216. ENDING ON CHAPTER 900 CONFIRMED!
The Confirmed is that I'm not kidding here, when I write news or something like that ^^
The Confirmed is that I'm not kidding here, when I write news or something like that ^^
Just looked back through the thread and saw your last post. I'm sorry, I totally missed somehow and thought we were still at the point of speculating!
How long before the official release do we usually see the cover?
How long before the official release do we usually see the cover?
For the last one it was about two weeks, give or take a day.
For the last one it was about two weeks, give or take a day.
Sweet, so we should see it in 2~3 weeks.
I hope Luffy and Katakuri are the centerpiece