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Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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In almost 900 chapters, there has never been a scenario that has matched the one that we're seeing with Pedro. This isn't about a fake out death, it's about all of the subtle context that has gone into this one (and it's overall impact on other characters and the arc itself). To be honest, if the SHs and their accomplices can invade an emperor's territory and come out relatively unscathed, it's going to be pointless for Oda to ever attempt something like this again (Wano).
I don't think considering the option of Pedro being really dead is too unreasonable (certainly not as unreasonable as thinking that Carrot will join), but i do think that from what we have seen until this point in the story he's most certainly alive and that everything seems consistent with what we've already seen before.
Yes, his death shows how you can't invade yonkou territory and escape relatively unscathed, but in this manga it still deosn't need to be a real death to be perceived as a sacrifice. It's the same way Bentham's fake death was supposed to show how you can't invade one of WG's most impenetrable strongholds and escape relatively unscathed.That being said, it could be that the relevance of his death has yet to be fully addressed. Depending on the amount of consequences that Luffy and Sanji finding it out will have and the way it will be handled, it could become a more relevant and less fake death (which would still be unlikely because it would mean a change in Oda's writing policies).
But until some kind of develpment like that happens, I'll tend to believe he's alive. -
I still think whatever character comes next has to be extremely unique to stand out, I mean we've had a seven level transforming reindeer, a speedo wearing Hawaiian shirt clothed cyborg, a gentlemen skeleton with an afro, and a whale shark shichibukai fishman
the last member really needs to be creative enough to be able to live up to these guys, and carrot and pudding on character design level alone just don't make the cut for me (as well as all the other reasons stated)
I have no idea who it will be but the character design should be awesome and unique, random bunny girl who looks like any other anthropomorphic bunny girl from random manga series, or girl who looks like nami but with a third eye just don't cut it
only way I can see it being a normal human is if it's an old grandma character but like I said I still don't think that's unique enough….... maybe a yokai from wano... but knowing oda it'll probably be something way out of left field that no one is expecting
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the last member really needs to be creative enough to be able to live up to these guys, and carrot and pudding on character design level alone just don't make the cut for me (as well as all the other reasons stated)
A LOT of people really like Carrot's character design. I've said this before, but this is the only site where a significant portion of people don't like her. So I don't think this would be an issue for a large portion of the fanbase.
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A LOT of people really like Carrot's character design. I've said this before, but this is the only site where a significant portion of people don't like her. So I don't think this would be an issue for a large portion of the fanbase.
Let's not make this into a "the majority thinks this" or "all opinions are just opinions" thing. We should actually debate about the quality of Carrot's design in comparison to the other Straw Hats at the times of the story they were introduced in.
Also, this is the same fanbase that was clamoring for Nami clone Rebecca and Robin clone Boa Hancock to join. And was disappointed by Jinbe's design in Impel Down because God knows why, I think he was "too fat" for all of his hype or other nonsense.
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A LOT of people really like Carrot's character design. I've said this before, but this is the only site where a significant portion of people don't like her. So I don't think this would be an issue for a large portion of the fanbase.
You were wrong about this, as I pointed out. Go into a Reddit thread about her joining and you'll see comments nay-saying it, along with the supporter posts. You're also comparing a place with thousands of users to a site where a few hundred discuss the series each week.
The fandom had the same discussions about Kin'emon, Bartolomeo, Rebecca, and Cavendish on other sites, and on this one. There were posts about how these people were "99% going to join the crew" and how they were the "only candidates". "Obviously", they had to join, because Oda said "multiple Straw Hats will join."
Either way, this is not at all an argument for her joining the crew.
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Character design or not, the odds of some brand new character showing up to join at this point in the story has to be close to zero. I've gone over this enough, but people expecting some magical new character to show up and join the SHs after they get their third road poneglyph are going to be disappointed.
There are only a handful of arcs left and it would make more sense for Oda to build on characters we already know than throwing someone completely new into the crew. Look at what he's done with Jinbe. He's built him up over years (and several arcs) and he's just now at a point where he can join the crew. The same will likely take place with the last SH. That's why a lot of people are looking at Carrot. She'll have been with the SHs for at least three arcs (over what, five years maybe?) when Wano ends. It would make more sense for Oda to build on that familiarity with her than it would be to drop some random dwarf grandma in Wano and have her join the crew.
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@Galaxy:
You were wrong about this, as I pointed out. Go into a Reddit thread about her joining and you'll see comments nay-saying it, along with the supporter posts. You're also comparing a place with thousands of users to a site where a few hundred discuss the series each week.
Either way, this is not at all an argument for her joining the crew.
Err, why do you keep twisting his words? He was saying that he believes that overall people wouldn't have an issue with Carrot's design, as a lot of people do like it, in response to someone subjectively deciding that Carrot doesn't make the cut based on her design alone. You're right, opinions about her design are going to be the most subjective thing out of everything else, so no one should really be using that as an argument. This applies to your side as well.
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@Count:
Also, this is the same fanbase that was clamoring for Nami clone Rebecca and Robin clone Boa Hancock to join.
There were very few people who thought that Rebecca or Hancock would join. There will always be small pockets of people who think that any new character will join. Carrot is on a completely different level than those two being the only one even in the running and with a whole lot of time spent working on the ship.
And was disappointed by Jinbe's design in Impel Down because God knows why
Notice how a few people not liking a character's design doesn't affect their chances of joining.
Err, why do you keep twisting his words? He was saying that he believes that overall people wouldn't have an issue with Carrot's design, as a lot of people do like it, in response to someone subjectively deciding that Carrot doesn't make the cut based on her design alone. You're right, opinions about her design are going to be the most subjective thing out of everything else, so no one should really be using that as an argument. This applies to your side as well.
Thank you.
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Err, why do you keep twisting his words? He was saying that he believes that overall people wouldn't have an issue with Carrot's design, as a lot of people do like it, in response to someone subjectively deciding that Carrot doesn't make the cut based on her design alone. You're right, opinions about her design are going to be the most subjective thing out of everything else, so no one should really be using that as an argument. This applies to your side as well.
No, actual debate about her depiction, through her personality, dream, ship position, and design are all fair game. It's all relevant in a discussion about characters that are going to be main characters for the remainder of the series. By labeling any aspect as "subjective", it extremely limits discussion to "this is my opinion" posts, instead of actual discussion being held.
The whole thought that the overall fandom's view on multiple sites acts an invalidation of the thoughts posted here is the biggest issue of all. It could apply to any theory imaginable, no matter how outlandish it is.
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She'll have been with the SHs for at least three arcs (over what, five years maybe?) when Wano ends. It would make more sense for Oda to build on that familiarity with her than it would be to drop some random dwarf grandma in Wano and have her join the crew.
But aside from her Sulong transformation(which was awesome) she barely had any focus in these over 90 chapters since her introduction. She was almost nonexistent in Zou.
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Character design or not, the odds of some brand new character showing up to join at this point in the story has to be close to zero. I've gone over this enough, but people expecting some magical new character to show up and join the SHs after they get their third road poneglyph are going to be disappointed.
There are only a handful of arcs left and it would make more sense for Oda to build on characters we already know than throwing someone completely new into the crew. Look at what he's done with Jinbe. He's built him up over years (and several arcs) and he's just now at a point where he can join the crew. The same will likely take place with the last SH. That's why a lot of people are looking at Carrot. She'll have been with the SHs for at least three arcs (over what, five years maybe?) when Wano ends. It would make more sense for Oda to build on that familiarity with her than it would be to drop some random dwarf grandma in Wano and have her join the crew.
It's not like we want the final crewmate to join so late in the story. You're giving Oda the benefit of the doubt that he won't introduce a main character late to the story despite how he did that very same thing to Brook right before the Straw Hat crew was separated. All of the drama that came from this tightly knit family who have survived thick and thin being ripped apart fron each other…And one them joined, say, a couple days before at most? So he comes across as that one uncle who flies in from.a foreign country every year compared to everybody else being immediate relatives living in the same home.
Jinbe should not be used as an example considering how much of an exception he is. If anything, that is what Oda's gimmick for him is. Having him be foreshadowed and teased to join for years until the Straw Hats surpassed the level of Warlords to focus on the Emperors. It does not have to be a process Oda has to try one-upping himself on in a similar way.
You are giving Oda too much credit for balancing panel time while he is introducing too many characters and plotlines to get efficiently balanced in every post-timeskip arc. He will have the final Straw Hat join as late as right before freaking Raftel if that is what he feels like doing.
What you are stating is not so much what "makes sense" for Oda to do given what we know about him and more your preference. A preference all of us can agree on to some extent, but Oda will always be serendipitous in certain ways.
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@Galaxy:
No, actual debate about her depiction, through her personality, dream, ship position, and design are all fair game. It's all relevant in a discussion about characters that are going to be main characters for the remainder of the series. By labeling any aspect as "subjective", it extremely limits discussion to "this is my opinion" posts, instead of actual discussion being held.
If someone just says "I don't like her design and that's why she won't join", saying "I do like her design" is a perfectly valid response.
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If someone just says "I don't like her design and that's why she won't join", saying "I do like her design" is a perfectly valid response.
And that's why I will say neither of those contribute to discussion.
A real discussion would be "I don't like her design, and here's why her design is nothing special main character wise" and in response, "Here's why her design is special." It leads to a real discussion that isn't barriered by so many opinions, at that point, since both arguments bring series precedence into the mix.
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"I like/dislike her design" is a different discussion from "this design is original/derivative", which is more specific and can be effectively debated about.
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Notice how a few people not liking a character's design doesn't affect their chances of joining.
It isn't a matter of liking or not, it's about having or not enough objective qualities to stand out as a main character, in a manga which after 20 years has made clear the distinction between primary and secondary characters.
I understand it can be very hard to get these differences since character design can be quite subjective, but you don't have to ask yourself what is and what is not cool enough for You, you have to ask yourself what is or isn't cool enough for the Author. Doing so will show very clearly that Carrot's character design doesn't conform to Oda's idea of a primary character. I will only make one small example (that I think someone else made before me) because otherwise this will be endless: outfits. She wears a shirt with RABBIT written on it. Compare that to the outfits of strawhats, and look at how expressive and peculiar those outfits are, and how they all conform to ODA'S idea of very cool, primary-character-cool. And if you want don't look only at strawhats but also at main villains, supernovas, shichibukais and other main characters.And this is only about the design. Carrot's character background and abilities distinguish her even more clearly from a main character.
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Nearly 900 chapters, and even Greg of all people admitted that he's unsure lol
Sorry, I'm typically just not the type of person to immediately write something off, not without considering all the options anyways.
Because we all agree that the story would be better if he is dead. Oda made Carrot stowaway on the Sunny for a reason. If it’s not for her to be a Strawhat, at least she will have an important role in guiding minks to the new dawn Pedro was waiting for
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I will only make one small example (that I think someone else made before me) because otherwise this will be endless: outfits. She wears a shirt with RABBIT written on it. Compare that to the outfits of strawhats, and look at how expressive and peculiar those outfits are, and how they all conform to ODA'S idea of very cool, primary-character-cool. And if you want don't look only at strawhats but also at main villains, supernovas, shichibukais and other main characters.
And this is only about the design. Carrot's character background and abilities distinguish her even more clearly from a main character.
Characters don't really have signature outfits anymore. Luffy, Franky, Zoro, and Jimbei, have roughly the same look (sometimes), but the outfits have varied more and more as the series went on.
Even then, Carrot has a fun habit of wearing a hat with her ears sticking out through it.
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Unique designs.
Chopper has a blue nose, broken horn, unique hat, short stature, was the only talking animal in the series when introduced, and had seven forms.
Franky has a three pronged chin, metal nose, big eyelashes, ace ventura hair, popeye arms, tattoos, hawaiian shirt and a speedo and made his debut while doing a song and dance number.
Brook is a tall gentleman skeleton with an afro with a yohoho laugh that poops.
Jimbei is fat, has tusks, curly swirls in his sideburns, stripes in his hair, face scar, tatoos, and a kimono fashion sense in a series where no one else (until Wano) dressed like that.
Those were all within their first appearances or within a couple of chapters. Immediate details, things that spoke of having a backstory with thought put into it beforehand. Extra details and their backstories came later, but depth almost always came pretty quick. But purely on design alone? They had a lot of thought put into them to make them stand out, lots of different things to make them unique from everyone else.
(ANd Franky and Brook both got even crazier after the time skip!)
Even the older characters hold up to that standard, even if they didn't at first. Luffy has the hat, scar, open vest and sandals…. and post timeskip he has a chest scar. Zoro has green buzz cut hair, three earings, three swords (including one in mouth) and scars on his chest and feet, and post timeskip has a face scar. Nami, originally the only girl in the series when that was enough, has a shoulder tatoo, two permanent bracelets on her wrists, an ever present staff, and currently has a giant mane of hair and a bikini-showing fashion sense. Usopp has a long nose, thick lips, curly hair, always has a hat. Sanji black suit, swirly eyebrow, covered eye, all kicking fight style always smoking. Robin (when first introduced) had a very unusual nose bridge, unusual eyes, and a Pulp Fiction inspired haircut and cowboy hat and she's kind of become more generic over time unfortunately, but Oda still makes a point to do things like giving her glasses to keep her seperated. (I wish he'd gone with one of the short hair concept he showed in development sketches for timeskip.)
And on that purely visual metric, before even discussing introduction, development, or backstory, and even considering the girls are Oda's weakest design..., Carrot... has Chopper's face on Nami's body. No, you won't confuse her for anyone else in the group, but... where is that bit of spark? That extra detail that makes it Oda? The blue nose, the unusual eye, the bracelet, the earring, the tattered ear or black tips on the ears or extra ear fluff, the use of a something more distinct as a base like a Fennec fox, the unique laugh, the tattoo, the stripe in her hair or unusual hair color, the old wound, the unusual tail, the thing that makes her distinct from Chopper, the quirk that makes her a main One Piece character?
She is "Bunny girl." Type "furry bunny girl" into google and you'll get hundreds of bunny girl drawings that could have been Carrot.
That appears to be all the thought Oda put into her design originally. The same amount of thought that went into "dog girl" and "deer girl" and "gorilla guy" and alligator guy" and a little less thought than went into Nekomushi and Inurashi....No extra backstory details like Nami having Nojiko's bracelet, nothing to stand out or make her distinct among her own people. She had the paw claws at the start, and that's something.... and then proceeded to completely ditch them for the last 70 chapters. The one unique thing she had... she got rid of.Bepo stood out in Law's crew because he was the only talking bear in the crew and had a loud orange jump suit. And that was enough for a third string background character.
Pedro at least had a scar and an distinct snout and smokes and has spots and sharp teeth.
Carrot has been in the story. THAT'S her defining feature. Even her "she uses binoculars and is a lookout thing"... maybe if she always had binoculars on a necklace or attached to her hat as part of her design (Wait that's usopp), there'd be SOMETHING. But on the unique "Oda has thought about this design for 20 years" level... she just does not hold up to that standard, even considering he's not as good about the girls. Her Sulong form is a little better but that took 80 chapters to get to and isn't full time.
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But aside from her Sulong transformation(which was awesome) she barely had any focus in these over 90 chapters since her introduction. She was almost nonexistent in Zou.
How long after Jinbe appeared did we get any background information on him? I'm not sure why people keep pointing out how relatively little focus she's had so far when Oda has plenty of time to add backstory and depth. One of the main reasons why people disliked the prospect of Jinbe joining was because of a perception that he had little depth (and they hated his design).
All these chapters later, we still don't have his backstory, but no one's complaining because he's finally gotten more depth (in the arc he's joining, coincidentally). Carrot was mostly non-existent in Zou, but can you really say she's been non-existent here? What if she gets even more background and depth next arc? What would you say then?
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@Count:
It's not like we want the final crewmate to join so late in the story. You're giving Oda the benefit of the doubt that he won't introduce a main character late to the story despite how he did that very same thing to Brook right before the Straw Hat crew was separated. All of the drama that came from this tightly knit family who have survived thick and thin being ripped apart fron each other…And one them joined, say, a couple days before at most? So he comes across as that one uncle who flies in from.a foreign country every year compared to everybody else being immediate relatives living in the same home.
Jinbe should not be used as an example considering how much of an exception he is. If anything, that is what Oda's gimmick for him is. Having him be foreshadowed and teased to join for years until the Straw Hats surpassed the level of Warlords to focus on the Emperors. It does not have to be a process Oda has to try one-upping himself on in a similar way.
You are giving Oda too much credit for balancing panel time while he is introducing too many characters and plotlines to get efficiently balanced in every post-timeskip arc. He will have the final Straw Hat join as late as right before freaking Raftel if that is what he feels like doing.
What you are stating is not so much what "makes sense" for Oda to do given what we know about him and more your preference. A preference all of us can agree on to some extent, but Oda will always be serendipitous in certain ways.
I think we both can agree that a character joining late in the first half of the story is different from a character joining late in the second half. I'm looking at the time and arcs we have remaining and realizing how almost impossible of a task Oda would have in establishing a brand new character/member when the SHs are on the verge of being able to find Raftel.
I'm just looking at things from a practical perspective. I'm not an author, nor do I pretend to be. I just can't see there being any easy way to introduce someone brand new so late to the story and then have them be held in such high company as the SHs. I think about the cover pages, movies, and everything else. Him having someone new join after the SH's toughest test in the entire series (Wano) will feel cheap and forced, and I just have to believe that he knows that.
My Jinbe reference was just to point out that him introducing a character and then having them join several later could still apply (I'm not talking Nami/Robin level here). Introduce the character, slowly build them up and make them relevant, and then go from there. If Pedro's words hold any meaning (and I'm inclined to believe they do), Carrot still hasn't had her chance to shine yet (I don't really count Sulong). She's going to get a bounty and she's going to travel with the SHs to Wano. Those two things alone tell me she's going to be more relevant, which opens up the possibility that she can join.
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How long after Jinbe appeared did we get any background information on him?
Before he even appeared on camera we knew that he had worked with Arlong and had a falling out with him, knew fishman karate, was a warlord that refused to fight in marineford that had loyalty to whitebeard, was one of the sun pirates and served under Fisher Tiger. And within his first chapter that he had some sort of bond with Ace.
So… instantly?
All these chapters later, we still don't have his backstory,
We don't know what he did during his warlord years or why he got the scar, no, (presumably being saved for Wano) but… we do know his backstory from childhood through becoming a Warlord. He's not a mysterious blank slate.
I'm looking at the time and arcs we have remaining and realizing how almost impossible of a task Oda would have in establishing a brand new character/member when the SHs are on the verge of being able to find Raftel.
Even the most conservative estimates put the series at having another 10 years to go. Plenty of time. Especially when Oda can make instant fan favorites like Law, Hancock, Bart, or (for some reason) Marco… or apparently Carrot. It does NOT take him long to make a character stand out.
I agree that if we don't have the last person by the end of Wano that's pushing it narratively, but timewise (especially considering Wano is probably going to take two years) there's plenty of space yet for the last person. They presumably wont be a multi-year process like Jimbei was.
Carrot still hasn't had her chance to shine yet (I don't really count Sulong). She's going to get a bounty and she's going to travel with the SHs to Wano. Those two things alone tell me she's going to be more relevant, which opens up the possibility that she can join.
100 chapters later and she hasn't had a chance to shine, except for one chapter… and you're not even counting that. Isn't that kind of telling?
And... lots of minks are going to travel to Wano. She was one of three in this arc and she got to become CHopper's sister, but next arc she'll be one of dozens again.
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Jinbe did not get more depth in this arc at all, every characteristic shown in this arc, he has shown before, only that now he shows it as a Strawhat.
You had his affiliation with the WB Pirates, his sense of duty, his hatred for pirates, his connection to Ace, his relation to Arlong, a hint that he is thinking about his connection to Arlong and many things more in Impel Down alone, not to forget the connection he has immediately built up with Luffy, or the fact that he was ready to sacrifice himself for him, or the fact that he was the one who pulled Luffy out of sheer desperation and saved him from the biggest challenge yet in the entire story. That´s all focus on him.
Background information, a flashback and so on are types of focus but not the only types of focus.You can wish for cutie bunny girl to join all you want, stating something so blatantly false does not help your case though.
The only basis, if you can call it that, is Oda giving each joining a somewhat unique point to it, more or less, the majority of the build-up between Luffy and the potential nakama is the same though.
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The last two mini-stories were/are connected to the current plot. Jinbei's mini-story connects with Bigmom's arc, and the one about the grand fleet connects with the next arc (the grand fleet will help Luffy to defeat Kaido)
But people are suggesting that the next one will be about Monet. Which would be the most useless thing since Gedatsu's mini-story.
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Even then, Carrot has a fun habit of wearing a hat with her ears sticking out through it.
So, the same as Chopper then? Replacing ears with antlers, of course.
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Jinbe did not get more depth in this arc at all, every characteristic shown in this arc, he has shown before
Jinbei wasn't funny before WCI. Not really
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Jinbei wasn't funny before WCI. Not really
Pre-TS, not really, in Fishman Island, he had his two scenes.
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Robby, do you copy paste your Strawhats design posts ? Because it seems to me you have written it 100th of times already :-)
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But people are suggesting that the next one will be about Monet. Which would be the most useless thing since Gedatsu's mini-story.
I don’t think Oda get back to previous arcs regarding mini stories. The next one will probably be about a Whole Cake character. Ceasar would be a good candidate
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How long after Jinbe appeared did we get any background information on him? I'm not sure why people keep pointing out how relatively little focus she's had so far when Oda has plenty of time to add backstory and depth. One of the main reasons why people disliked the prospect of Jinbe joining was because of a perception that he had little depth (and they hated his design).
All these chapters later, we still don't have his backstory, but no one's complaining because he's finally gotten more depth (in the arc he's joining, coincidentally). Carrot was mostly non-existent in Zou, but can you really say she's been non-existent here? What if she gets even more background and depth next arc? What would you say then?
Jimbei continuously had stand-out moments throughout Impel Down, Marineford and Post-Marineford and developed a strong connection to Luffy. In that same time span Carrot was Choppers sidekick and really didn't have much screentime at all. The difference in portrayal is huge.
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I don’t think Oda get back to previous arcs regarding mini stories. The next one will probably be about a Whole Cake character. Ceasar would be a good candidate
Enel's cover story happened a whole 120 chapters after the Skypiea Arc. And the Baroque Works cover story debuted in the middle of Water 7, after the Gedatsu one had happened.
Although, if the next one isn't some sort of Punk Hazard cover story (whether that's Vergo/Monet focused, or G-5 focused) that'll probably be the last chance for it.
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Look at this fanart I found of Carrot drawn in Looney Toons style! The colors are are a little off but it looks nice!
Jinbei wasn't funny before WCI. Not really
Robin wasn't funny before Thriller Bark. Not really.
The last two mini-stories were/are connected to the current plot. Jinbei's mini-story connects with Bigmom's arc, and the one about the grand fleet connects with the next arc (the grand fleet will help Luffy to defeat Kaido)
But people are suggesting that the next one will be about Monet. Which would be the most useless thing since Gedatsu's mini-story.
About all of Dofla's crew, not just Monet. Just like the Baroque Works cover story. Which didn't come immediately after Alabasta and had a couple others before it. Or the Wapol cover story. Or the CP9… or Buggy...
But yes, if its not next then Oda is really breaking pattern.
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Do we really need an entire mini-story whose only purpose is to tell us Monet is alive ?
I don’t think Oda get back to previous arcs regarding mini stories. The next one will probably be about a Whole Cake character. Ceasar would be a good candidate
It'd be the most interesting choice. He's hunted by so many people, it's hard to see how he's gonna make it out of this.
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Look at this fanart I found of Carrot drawn in Looney Toons style! The colors are are a little off but it looks nice!
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/looneytunes/images/d/d6/Lola_Bunny_Pose2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160529212624Come on man, at least post the real one:
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Characters don't really have signature outfits anymore. Luffy, Franky, Zoro, and Jimbei, have roughly the same look (sometimes), but the outfits have varied more and more as the series went on.
They had them when they where introduced, they had them in their flashbacks, they had them or variants of them for a good amount of time right after the timeskip. Like you said, those were still signature designs.
And even the ones that Nami and Robin change every arc, are more elaborated and thought-out than Carrot's BUNNY shirt.
(obviously you can't consider the situational outfits they had in Dressrosa and the second half of Totto Land)
@AvocadoInTheRain:Even then, Carrot has a fun habit of wearing a hat with her ears sticking out through it.
Yes, and background marine n°15637875 in chapter whatever has a fun, happy pointy beard.
That is the opposite of what I was trying to explain.
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Do we really need an entire mini-story whose only purpose is to tell us Monet is alive ?
Do we really need an entire mini-story whose only purpose is to tell us Bon Kurei is alive?
There were like 20 different officers, they didn't all get arrested, and some of them are sort of innocent. If Baroque Works can go on to have real dreams later, so can they.
We had a mini story about Ace delivering milk, and Django having a dance party that led to him joining the marines. It's kind of what Oda does.
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Jinbe did not get more depth in this arc at all, every characteristic shown in this arc, he has shown before, only that now he shows it as a Strawhat. .
Jinbe refusing Big Mom's roulette definitely added another layer of depth to his character. Many didn't expect a reasonable reaction from him after all the "even if it costs me my life" nonsense. Giving up something valuable in order to break off from BM [honorably] would have been absolutely in character, but we learned that even Jinbe draws a line somewhere. Or better said, he learned to draw a line after his travels with Luffy.
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Come on man, at least post the real one:
https://i.imgur.com/uhBDHwg.gifIsn't that Rebecca?
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Do we really need an entire mini-story whose only purpose is to tell us Bon Kurei is alive?
There were like 20 different officers, they didn't all get arrested, and some of them are sort of innocent. If Baroque Works can go on to have real dreams later, so can they.
The point of that cover story was to set up who would be in Impel Down. If we didn't have that cover story we would have been asking ourselves why Ms doublefinger, or mr 4 weren't helping out in the escape attempt.
We had a mini story about Ace delivering milk, and Django having a dance party that led to him joining the marines. It's kind of what Oda does.
The cover stories are used to get a character from point A to point B without spending panel time to explain it. Ace delivering milk got him Blackbeard's location, and we would have wondered what Django and Fullbody were doing in Alabasta as marines under Hina. I really don't see Oda needing to rehash those characters from Punk Hazard when we still have so many dangling threads.
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About all of Dofla's crew, not just Monet. Just like the Baroque Works cover story. Which didn't come immediately after Alabasta and had a couple others before it. Or the Wapol cover story. Or the CP9… or Buggy...
How many of them got caught again ?
And I feel like Oda is trying to make more useful mini-stories now. I mean, I don't really feel like watching the Dolfamingo family opening a park, being hunted by the navy or doing other goofy stuff while the last mini-stories were about Jinbei's journey to Bigmom's territory, and Luffy's grand fleet.
imo, it has to be something that's gonna connect with the story soon enough. And I don't believe we'll see the Dofla family before a long moment.Honestly, among all these mini-stories the one about Buggy and the CP9 were useless. Funny and enjoyable, but useless plotwise (didn't connect to anything). I think Buggy was sent to jail, but that's all.
At best, the one about Baroque Works just got rid off some characters. I mean, I don't think we'll ever see anyone from this group except Mr.0, 1, 2 and 3. The point of this mini-story was basically to retire some characters from the story like Miss Goldenweek and the others.
And Wapol's mini-story is only starting to be useful now that there is the Reverie. Not sure if it was intended.At least that's how I see it.
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and we would have wondered what Django and Fullbody were doing in Alabasta as marines under Hina.
Oh, you mean like in the anime? Which skipped that cover story entirely? And basically all the others? But still had their consequences later?
Oda gives follow up on characters. Look at the "news of the world" set, which did nothing except show us what happened to all the minor characters over the last 2 years, even if they're going to have zero relevance for the rest of the series.
Even if they're not plot important, Oda likes giving characters a chance to have a new life or a happy ending.
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Do we really need an entire mini-story whose only purpose is to tell us Bon Kurei is alive?
When I say mini-story I mean all the panels gathered. Bentham was only in one of them
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Oh, you mean like in the anime? Which skipped that cover story entirely? And basically all the others? But still had their consequences later?
The anime sucks, and constantly makes plot holes, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.
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How many of them got caught again ?
And I feel like Oda is trying to make more useful mini-stories now.
Yes, like when we spent almost a year with Caribou meeting a granny.
Or the cover story where we checked in on all the minor characters. Or the second cover story where we checked in on most of them again like a year later. We really needed to know Gaimon had a girlfriend and that Southbird has a family now and that Mr. 9 and Miss MOnday hooked up.
The anime sucks, and constantly makes plot holes, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.
Because you brought up specific example of something the anime actually did.
It skipped the backstory on those minor background characters and just threw them back into the story later with no explanation of how they got there. And it does that a lot.
Oda does side stories with minor characters. He also brings back minor characters in unexpected ways sometimes. The cover stories aren't essential background that he's obligated to do in order for things to make sense, but he does them anyway. (Ditto with DBS filling out details that he then later actually shows in-story like Buggy's hair)
The question is less "would it make sense to show those characters after skipping the cover story"… because that's what the anime did.
The question is "would Oda have put those characters there if he hadn't thought about their situation while doing the cover story in the first place."
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Yes, like when we spent almost a year with Caribou meeting a granny.
Dude, Caribou got caught by Kaido's men and you know–-- Caribou knows what and who is Poseidon. It's not like I'd said every covers in the mini-story had to be 100% useful, relevant and rigorous.
Or the cover story where we checked in on all the minor characters. Or the second cover story where we checked in on most of them. We really needed to know Gaimon had a girlfriend and that Southbird having a family now.
It's unfair to cite covers from "The Decks of the World" though. And you're only bringing up the two covers featuring very very minor characters for some reason. We didn't spend weeks following Gaimon's love story after all.
And it happened during the FishmanIsland arc. What was Oda supposed to talk about ?
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@No:
Well, we really didn't get one for how Bentham escaped Magellan either. He just showed up later in the cover story. Which means that Pound is certainly still alive, even if all logic points to the opposite.
At least we learned blackbeard escaped and overpowered magellans so a headcanon of him getting away due to that wouldnt be too far of a stretch.
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Jinbe refusing Big Mom's roulette definitely added another layer of depth to his character. Many didn't expect a reasonable reaction from him after all the "even if it costs me my life" nonsense. Giving up something valuable in order to break off from BM [honorably] would have been absolutely in character, but we learned that even Jinbe draws a line somewhere. Or better said, he learned to draw a line after his travels with Luffy.
Not really since he always knew to distinguish between the value of sacrificing himself and the value he has as a person otherwise.
He tried the honorable thing, she was not interested in keeping it honorable.And you can´t hardly classify that as something he took from Luffy neither, there is no indication for this.
All that the scene showed us is, he has a head of his own and does not immediately go to "my sacrifice will solve everything", something we knew before, and that he knew how special Luffy is, hence he did not need to be scared from a mere Yonkou, which once again is consistent with him constantly believing Luffy to be that special even pre-TS.
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There were very few people who thought that Rebecca or Hancock would join. There will always be small pockets of people who think that any new character will join. Carrot is on a completely different level than those two being the only one even in the running and with a whole lot of time spent working on the ship.
Hancock was a popular candidate.
She was just behind Jinbe in this poll.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28386Rebecca was no way near Hancock's popularity but she had a fair amount of discussion (even after the fact that she was hopeless in fights).
Kinemon, Momo & Law have been with the strawhat crews since Punk Hazard arc.
Kanjuro also has been with them since Dressrosa arc.
All of them are going to presence in Wano arc.
None of them are joining the crew.
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Hancock was a popular candidate.
She was just behind Jinbe in this poll.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28386Worth noting that poll at one point had complete joke candidates, like Aikanu, who I voted for out of sheer spite of the nonsense spiraling around. Ah well.
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Not really since he always knew to distinguish between the value of sacrificing himself and the value he has as a person otherwise.
He used to place zero value on his own well being. Maybe you took his recent reasonable stance for granted, alright, but it for sure as hell wasn't obvious. Oda used his decision as a cliffhanger reaching over several chapters, the readers had no idea how he would act in front of a roulette asking for his bodyparts (or worse). Especially since it also involved the Fishman Pirates, even if they tried to talk him out of any responsibility.
And you can´t hardly classify that as something he took from Luffy neither, there is no indication for this.
I'm not saying that Luffy taught him a lesson to value his life, I'm saying that Luffy is the reason why he doesn't intend to throw it away carelessly anymore - even when his sacrifice could prevent harm from his closest relatives.
All that the scene showed us is, he has a head of his own and does not immediately go to "my sacrifice will solve everything", something we knew before, and that he knew how special Luffy is, hence he did not need to be scared from a mere Yonkou, which once again is consistent with him constantly believing Luffy to be that special even pre-TS.
"My sacrifice will solve everything" was not something we knew before, because that was never his attitude to begin with. Jinbe was all about throwing his life away, even if his sacrifice would likely lead to nothing. His life had no value to him, it appeared as if he was just waiting for a moment to make it at least worth something.
And with Totland this mindset is now officially gone.
Jinbe went from:"If playing the roulette means my old crew could be spared, so be it"
to:
"Eh, fuck this shit im not playing a likely rigged wheel of death, I'm going to be a member of the future pirate King"
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Hancock was a popular candidate.
She was just behind Jinbe in this poll.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=28386Rebecca was no way near Hancock's popularity but she had a fair amount of discussion (even after the fact that she was hopeless in fights).
Hancock is 3rd place out of 4 options. That's not particularly inspiring.
Also I laughed at this line I found in that thread: "I'm not too big on Jimbei joining due to his lack and any flare." Funny how history repeats itself…
Kinemon, Momo & Law have been with the strawhat crews since Punk Hazard arc.
Kanjuro also has been with them since Dressrosa arc.
All of them are going to presence in Wano arc.
None of them are joining the crew.
Spending time on the ship is not really an indicator of joining the crew."Working" was the key word you were supposed to read in that sentence. Those people were just along for the ride, Carrot is an active member of the ship's crew at this moment, not a passenger.
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@Galaxy:
She doesn't specialize in it any more than anybody else that has done the job, though. She hasn't brought anything new to the role of lookout that other characters are not capable of. "Jumping high" doesn't fill in that gap. A situation needs to exist where the character is the best at the job.
Just something along the lines of "she's so good at what she does." A comment from someone, a true depiction that her lookout skills surpass all others, anything.
They knew nothing about Robin when she joined; Usopp had to interview her. Brook didn‘t get to play any music until after the battle on TB was over. And Jinbe only showed off his true helmsmanship skills 20 chapters ago.
"She's so good at saving us from certain death." That's basically what they already told her.
The role of shipwright and the role of lookout on a ship are very different, though. One is a dedicated role that has the person most experienced performing maintenance on the ship. The other is a job that multiple others have done perfectly for the entire series, with no issues existing for the crew otherwise.
Yeah, kinda like there were no issues with Franky steering the ship.
Usopp was fine at the time for patching up the Merry, but he wasn't anywhere close to the best possible person for the job. I've always imagined that if the crew had Franky from the start, the Going Merry could've made it further than Water 7, because he would've done proper ship repairs instead of just boarding it up.
And when they've been leisurely sailing the comparatively calmer East Blue and Grand Line, they didn't need to worry about their lookout getting up and down the mast in a hurry. But the speed and power of Big Mom's fleet has proven they need more expertise from now on. Just like they needed a proper shipwright and ship to seriously continue their journey into more dangerous turf, they now need a proper helmsman who can firmly guide the ship, and they need a proper lookout who can spot danger and then rush down to help defend against it.
I have no doubt that we will primarily see Jinbe steering the ship from here on out. Usopp is still "capable" of patching up the ship, but we're only ever shown Franky taking care of stuff like that. Nami can cook, but Sanji is most experienced, and it's why he takes care of it on screen 99% of the time.
And I have no doubt that we will primarily see Carrot up on the mast, or anywhere else she is needed, from here on out.
If the entire crew is still rotating in to take over the lookout role, then what's the point of bringing on a member that so far, has no real special ability in it?
@K.:
And we are asking how does Carrot have that special capability? I already conceded that the cycle of night and day is a good reason in terms of being a lookout on a ship.
Jumping, not so much.
To answer both of you, jumping half a mile high at any given moment is a special ability, despite how much you seek to downplay it. She doesn‘t have to keep hopping to stay airborne like Sanji, she doesn‘t need to call out a trampoline like Usopp, she doesn‘t have to hoist herself up with momentum like Luffy. All she has to do is jump, and she can be anywhere on the ship in seconds. That saves panel time, that is a literary shortcut that is available to Oda, and he has already taken advantage of it.
- Carrot is not going to be continuously jumping to gain height advantage as they travel at sea.
What makes you so sure?
- Jumping higher may improve how far you can see, but does not improve how detailed your expanded view is.
Which is what the binoculars are for. Even Usopp with his oh-so-perfect eyesight used binoculars in chapter 222:
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- Is it really special if jumping high gives you a 2-5 second gain on how fast you get to the crow's nest?
Yes, because they needed those literal seconds this whole escape. When they had more time, Chopper and Brook clambered up and helped out, but she has always been the first and the quickest one up there.
But her being able to quickly get to the crow's nest did not help in avoiding the canon fire.
She was taking a moment to welcome back Luffy like everyone else. Once the cannons started firing she was right back in position. That is what makes her special: her ability to be anywhere as needed, no explaining required.