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In all seriousness, though, wouldn't aiming a horizontal slash be pretty difficult in this case? If Smoothie sent one straight, it would go over the ship, and if she angled it down she would have to get it at just the right angle to where it don't just go into the ocean while both her ship and the enemy ship are both moving and pretty far apart from each other.
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Why didn't Mihawk attacked Whitebeard with a horizontal cut?
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In all seriousness, we're all probably jumping the gun a little about Smoothie. Those two pages are just setting the stage. She's probably going to be Team Sunny's final obstacle for the arc. She'll find some way to put more pressure on them, whatever it may be.
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Why didn't Mihawk attacked Whitebeard with a horizontal cut?
Mihawk was the smoothie of marineford tbh
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@Count:
I was joking, but being serious here…
In One Piece? lol Hell no. Unless it's an off-panel defeat. But even then, that only happened when Sanji let himself get attacked without fighting back.
Damn, masked my puns a little too well.
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Why didn't Mihawk attacked Whitebeard with a horizontal cut?
Moby Dick wasn't mobile. Being stuck in ice and all.
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Damn, masked my puns a little too well.
Oh, ooohhhh, you responded to my "cut out" pun with "edge" wordplay. I see. Nice subtlety, I respect it.
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Is Raisin the Intel guy of Big Mom?
…did anyone get it?
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I don't want to go back and see who actually said it but they said a horizontal strike would be harder. With vertical hits she just needs to aim in the general direction and she's good. Sure horizontal generally sounds good but then you have to take the pitch into account she's giant and she's far off you lose any advantage of large area damage because you now have to calculate the angles. Why doesn't she just shrink to be able to send it straight from their level you may ask? There's now way swordswoman of regular size could launch such an air strike. Get serious.:wassat:
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I once thought Raisin was gonna be really important since he was at the front of the Enraged Army
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I don't want to go back and see who actually said it but they said a horizontal strike would be harder. With vertical hits she just needs to aim in the general direction and she's good. Sure horizontal generally sounds good but then you have to take the pitch into account she's giant and she's far off you lose any advantage of large area damage because you now have to calculate the angles. Why doesn't she just shrink to be able to send it straight from their level you may ask? There's now way swordswoman of regular size could launch such an air strike. Get serious.:wassat:
Well actually, Mihawk was able to send a horizontal slash to cut the frozen tsunami in Marineford and a vertical slash all the way to Whitebeard's ship. If Vista was able to stall Mihawk, then I don't think that such a feat would be too difficult for one of Big Mom's own Yonko Comman-Waitaminute.
Why doesn't she just shrink to be able to send it straight from their level you may ask? There's now way swordswoman of regular size could launch such an air strike. Get serious.:wassat:
There's now way swordswoman of regular size could launch such an air strike.:wassat:
swordswoman of regular size :wassat:
swordswoman:wassat:
woman:wassat:
Oh. I apologize for the misunderstanding. Your statement is perfectly sound, carry on.
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Some people forget about big moms insane sword attacks.
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@Kaido:
With Smoothie being as big as she is, wouldn't a horizontal slash just go over the ship?
Smoothie is not launching wind attacks like Zoro, She's somehow using the water around her to create those attacks, probably related to her DF. You can see that her sword is wet. Impossible to do a horizontal attack if the water is needed.
It would have been better if people look at the panels properly rather than resulting to some ridiculous agenda against women.
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Smoothie is not launching wind attacks like Zoro, She's somehow using the water around her to create those attacks, probably related to her DF. You can see that her sword is wet. Impossible to do a horizontal attack if the water is needed.
It would have been better if people look at the panels properly rather than resulting to some ridiculous agenda against women.
Sword being wet is probably due to her powers.
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Point is it's a water based attack not a wind base attack. Horizontal attack is not possible. It's not an agenda against women.
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@Shobu:
One Piece to me is now Fairy Tail level; i can't expect something serious and well built, so i simply enjoy things like Luffy "thinking" that the things he does now with CoO are with seeing the future and never done before, things like Sanji stating that he will go at an island with 10 BM children and is gonna save Luffy, things like Prometheus lowering its speed every panel for Big Mom to not catch the cake, and Smoothie not doing a fucking horizontal slash to cut the fucking shit cause Plot Armour.
I'd simply can't take this serious anymore… but mah boi Katakuri is one of the most powerful men in the world - by Rayleigh, that shit is great
I hope next chapter Snake man is a skill that doesn't need the see the future... i just wanna have a good laugh of this mediocre series.How do you even go from OP writing to Fairy Tail level? I guess you just dropped out early before you got brain cancer and saw how horrible it bacame down the road.
Luffy seeing future is a CoO ability that was horeshadowed (during Marineford). He had the potential to reach that level and now he's attaining it, thanks to Oda throwing in revealation that haki truly shines only during extreme heat of battle. It is not a powerup out of nowhere, it have ties with story.
Then you throw in bunch of things that are yet to reach conclusion and write them off.
Smoothie doesn't use horizontal slash because she's a giant at this point - firstly she can utilize her giant weigth much better by throwing vertical slashes, secondly for a horizontal slash she'd have to rotate around to make such movement and mess up course of her ship. -
How do you even go from OP writing to Fairy Tail level? I guess you just dropped out early before you got brain cancer and saw how horrible it bacame down the road.
Luffy seeing future is a CoO ability that was horeshadowed (during Marineford). He had the potential to reach that level and now he's attaining it, thanks to Oda throwing in revealation that haki truly shines only during extreme heat of battle. It is not a powerup out of nowhere, it have ties with story.
Then you throw in bunch of things that are yet to reach conclusion and write them off.
Smoothie doesn't use horizontal slash because she's a giant at this point - firstly she can utilize her giant weigth much better by throwing vertical slashes, secondly for a horizontal slash she'd have to rotate around to make such movement and mess up course of her ship.Mihawk vs Luffy ties with this fight in one more way- 2 years ago even Mihawk had some problems with hitting Luffy thanks to insane agility. So with Luffy after two years of training it is not that much of a suprise that Katakuri got frustrated during first part of that fight.
Oh and when Luffy told Hody Jones that he is 100 times tougher than Hody thinks/ expects he was telling truth. I mean situation when Hody was telling that his bite to Luffys shoulder has to have some effect on Luffy.
For me those two previous fights add flavor to Luffy vs Katakuri.
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How do you even go from OP writing to Fairy Tail level? I guess you just dropped out early before you got brain cancer and saw how horrible it bacame down the road.
Luffy seeing future is a CoO ability that was horeshadowed (during Marineford). He had the potential to reach that level and now he's attaining it, thanks to Oda throwing in revealation that haki truly shines only during extreme heat of battle. It is not a powerup out of nowhere, it have ties with story.
Then you throw in bunch of things that are yet to reach conclusion and write them off.
Smoothie doesn't use horizontal slash because she's a giant at this point - firstly she can utilize her giant weigth much better by throwing vertical slashes, secondly for a horizontal slash she'd have to rotate around to make such movement and mess up course of her ship.Too much logic. Not good. Better to just call Oda sexist.
Anyway, I've stumbled upon quite a few of Shobu's posts and I've noticed that he completely misses/ignores context, not just in OP but in other series as well. I'd be wary of taking his posts seriously if I were you.
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I still maintain that people mostly overreact to teeny tiny things because they're reading it one little bit at a time.
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Smoothie is not launching wind attacks like Zoro, She's somehow using the water around her to create those attacks, probably related to her DF. You can see that her sword is wet. Impossible to do a horizontal attack if the water is needed.
It would have been better if people look at the panels properly rather than resulting to some ridiculous agenda against women.
I know her slash was liquid-based, but given the lack of info we have about it so far I didn't really want my argument to ride on that
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Point is it's a water based attack not a wind base attack. Horizontal attack is not possible. It's not an agenda against women.
If you're referring to my comment you should know i was entirely kidding around
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Smoothie has done so little up to now I feel she could capture the sunny and knock out jinbe and there'd be a "that's it" reaction, the meme has just overrun the character by now.
One huge vertical slash almost hits, which is suposed to be a showing of hype without any conquences. Instead we get a discussion on the angle of swords and clearly women cant be swordsmen.
Even though jinbe is getting to mary sue levels of helmanship by multiple characters in the story. Seriously oda is being super blunt with jinbe being a great helmsman.
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@Long:
Smoothie has done so little up to now I feel she could capture the sunny and knock out jinbe and there'd be a "that's it" reaction, the meme has just overrun the character by now.
One huge vertical slash almost hits, which is suposed to be a showing of hype without any conquences. Instead we get a discussion on the angle of swords and clearly women cant be swordsmen.
Even though jinbe is getting to mary sue levels of helmanship by multiple characters in the story. Seriously oda is being super blunt with jinbe being a great helmsman.
Holy cow i was joking about the swordswoman thing. She's over there dishing out mihawk level slashes of course she's decent with a sword
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Holy cow i was joking about the swordswoman thing. She's over there dishing out mihawk level slashes of course she's decent with a sword
those are Diamante level slashes
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She's over there dishing out mihawk level slashes of course she's decent with a sword
Made me laugh.
That was probably Mihawk's level when he was watching Roger die or something.
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Made me laugh.
That was probably Mihawk's level when he was watching Roger die or something.
That is what En-san looks like when he goes through water.
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Okay, I'm going to actually be serious for a minute here instead of cracking more sexism wisecracks at Oda
even though he deserves it. The only reason I was being a smartass before is because of how coincidental it is to have so another female character failing at swordsmanship, but Smoothie's portrayal this chapter really doesn't have much to do with that at all. Although it's still hilarious to me nonetheless.If Oda wanted to make Smoothie do a horizontal slash, water-based or air-based, he would have done so. Attacks in this series always operate purely based on coolness factor. There's never any real logic to swordsmanship in this manga other than having guts and maybe a Devil Fruit. If Oda wanted a horizontal slash, he would have made it one. You can't tell me Smoothie can't shoot water horizontally if Fishmen can dip their hands in a puddle and flick out water droplets as powerful as bullets and Zoro can spawn multiple body parts because of cool-looking Hindu deity aesthetic.
But here's the real truth about the matter. Oda wanted to show Smoothie (finally) being competent by having her grow to giant size and unleash a giant attack. The problem here is that this ability had no foreshadowing (go figure considering her lack of relevance). If her attack, horizontal or vertical, were to hit the Straw Hats, wouldn't it look really cheap for some random ability we never had any clue about obstruct the progress of our heroes? Wouldn't we say it would be BS if the Straw Hats unleashed some hidden Thousand Sunny bubble coating mechanism that allowed them to submerge underwater like a submarine to evade the Big Mom Pirates? Half-assed plot developments go both ways.
So what we ended up with was Smoothie unleashing a new attack but failing to establish reasonable precedence for this existing. So the next time that Smoothie uses her giant form for anything, it doesn't come across as cheap on the fly storytelling because we knew what kind of risks the characters were getting into.
Now, as for whether or not Oda would actually let Smoothie damage the ship or not… Well, he's obviously not going to let that ship ever get fully destroyed for obvious plot armor reasons. So if a horizontal slash had a 100% chance of sinking the ship, he was never going to do that and would have Smoothie make a flawed attack. But I doubt she'll even graze the ship it after how much of a wringer Big Mom put it through (which could result in a future patchwork upgrade), so anymore damage (especially when they need to get to Wano Country, which is where the crew shipwright is) is unnecessary. Although to Oda's credit, if I this is really something that should be praised, he's at least willing to have female characters wreck architecture so this isn't due to sexism or anything (as we saw with Carrot's Were-Mink form).
As for whether or not Smoothie's going to get in a 1v1 fight or withstand any counterattacks from the Straw Hats.
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Now that is where One Piece's problematic female combat portrayal will rear its loathsome head once more. Unless it's an obscured and quick 1HKO, she is not going to do anything impressive beyond throwing more failed air/water slashes. And she is not going endure any legitimate damage from a male opponent, at best they'll clash with her sword. The only thing we can hope for, and what I personally expect, is the Vinsmokes coming out of nowhere to obstruct her. Which might have some continuity with Reiju attacking Smoothie. Maybe even with something as ridiculously fitting as a super sentai megazord since those fight giant villains all of the time. Of course, whatever happens on that front, the fight will get interrupted or off-paneled the same way Hancock vs. Smoker in Marineford ended up. Smoothie will only ever defeat fodder since there aren't any female opponents, even counting Reiju, on her level.
But all in all:
I still maintain that people mostly overreact to teeny tiny things because they're reading it one little bit at a time.
Quoted for truth. I really doubt that Oda put any more thought into giant Smoothie's slash this chapter than,
"Oh wait, I just realized this I created character. Might as well let her finally do something cool. But not TOO cool because she can't actually hurt the Straw Hats. Maybe the Vinsmokes can fight them off-panel so they can make a grand entrance too."
I really, really doubt Oda thought about the geometric physics of the 3,827th illogical generic long-ranged sword slash to any degree besides providing suspense without real consequence.
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My new guess is that Oda recived an unconfortable ammount of fan mail thanking him for how much Robin suffered during marineford because it was "hot", and didn't want to go the Mashima way.
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@K.:
That is what En-san looks like when he goes through water.
Quoted for truth.
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Oda is better at handling these kind of things then Mashima or Kishimoto and the like, but ever since Nami VS Kalifa, any real thoughts of a knock-down, no holds barred brawl between attractive women in this series was flushed down the toilet.
And if Smoothie was a dude, he'd have been directly fighting like Jinbei and Luffy during the tea party.
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@S.C.:
Oda is better at handling these kind of things then Mashima or Kishimoto and the like, but ever since Nami VS Kalifa, any real thoughts of a knock-down, no holds barred brawl between attractive women in this series was flushed down the toilet.
sadly…
Kishimoto is lol but at least Kubo had his female characters fight in serious battles - Soifon, Matsumoto, Harribel, Rukia, etc.
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I find it interesting that Katakuri was against Flampehelping him defeat Luffy, but Luffy had no problem with Nami helping him defeat Cracker
Luffy isn't limited by honor or chivalry, and he's right to do so. If saving a friend means you have to suck up your pride then so be it.
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@Carboar:
Luffy isn't limited by honor or chivalry, and he's right to do so. If saving a friend means you have to suck up your pride then so be it.
Well, I never said, that I despise Luffy's actions. I actually think he is smart.
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@Long:
Smoothie has done so little up to now I feel she could capture the sunny and knock out jinbe and there'd be a "that's it" reaction, the meme has just overrun the character by now.
One huge vertical slash almost hits, which is suposed to be a showing of hype without any conquences. Instead we get a discussion on the angle of swords and clearly women cant be swordsmen.
Even though jinbe is getting to mary sue levels of helmanship by multiple characters in the story. Seriously oda is being super blunt with jinbe being a great helmsman.
This feels like a bit much. Sure Oda's laying the helmsman stuff a little strong but he's balancing that with Nami and the strawhats giving him directions.
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Also, it may have looked like a slash, but I took it as Smoothie is doing mini versions of the knock up stream. That's why Jimbe needs Nami's navigational skills, I think if it were just a slash then Nami's skills wouldn't be needed.
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People talking about a woman doing nothing and sexist blah blah when the whole arc is wrapped around a WOMAN that can't be stopped by ANYONE by combat.
Throughout this Arc I've also seen people point out Big Moms typical "Female traits". Like jee, the woman's popped out 100 kids. I wonder what most of the guys will do once they actually get married and actually have a woman in their life with the supposed sexist typical female traits.
Big mom was some fat kid that loved eating and made a kingdom of food for herself, what's worse is she's probably in her menopausal stage and her magnesium levels are low which causes sugar cravings.
But anyhow, on this topic, vertical slashes are sexist.
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@S.C.:
Oda is better at handling these kind of things then Mashima or Kishimoto and the like, but ever since Nami VS Kalifa, any real thoughts of a knock-down, no holds barred brawl between attractive women in this series was flushed down the toilet.
And if Smoothie was a dude, he'd have been directly fighting like Jinbei and Luffy during the tea party.
Is he really better than mashima? Fairy tail has a lot more dumb fanservice but the female protagonists are allowed to feel pain, fight men and generally have cool action scenes. Honestly Id trade a little less fanservice for some more badass women fights, where he see them going through the ringer to fight for their goals if not as hard as the guys, still go through it regardless. Like how nami got stabbed in her foot, or her shoulder in alabasta/enies lobby, and robin got knocked around a bit vs yama. More of that oda please.
Speaking on mashima, Hiro Mashima said this in an interview with a former editor
Interviewer: There are various opinions about Wendy getting injured.
I believe there are people who reject the idea of her being injured since she’s a little girl. My editor at that time also said “isn’t this overdoing it”. However, Wendy is a warrior and not an existence that must be protected. A warrior has to fight, and getting injured is something to be expected if you fight.
Interviewer: You said that during our meeting.
I drew Wendy as a comrade who fights together with the others. Even though she’s a little girl, as a fellow comrade, it would be a lie if she doesn’t get hurt together with the others. It hurts me to do that, but it’s something that can’t be helped. It’s painful for me to see her getting hurt. But I feel that this is what it means to be a comrade. Now that seems much more progressive than what oda has done lately, though thankfully wci has turned the tables on that for the most part -
People talking about a woman doing nothing and sexist blah blah when the whole arc is wrapped around a WOMAN that can't be stopped by ANYONE by combat.
Throughout this Arc I've also seen people point out Big Moms typical "Female traits". Like jee, the woman's popped out 100 kids. I wonder what most of the guys will do once they actually get married and actually have a woman in their life with the supposed sexist typical female traits.
Big mom was some fat kid that loved eating and made a kingdom of food for herself, what's worse is she's probably in her menopausal stage and her magnesium levels are low which causes sugar cravings.
But anyhow, on this topic, vertical slashes are sexist.
Except that Big Mom is more of a "monster" than a "woman" in the traditional sense. Her, and pre-Devil Fruit Alvida are exceptions that stand out purely on the basis of not being "beautiful". And even so, just compare Big Mom and Kaido. The former gets a rescue arc with half the crew, and will most likely never have a full fight with Luffy and may even get indirect help from him somehow. The latter gets a war arc with the whole crew, and will most likely have a full fight with Luffy (and probably some allies) with post-arc consequences that will significantly tip the scales of power for the entire series going forward.
Also, you say "WOMAN that can't be stopped by ANYONE by combat" like it's an asset to her. A compliment from the author about how great this character is. Which is true to some degree. But for me, I see an excuse to not let her have a full fight or be properly challenged like the guys do all of the time. Which isn't much different from past female villains that have needed to be taken out by fighting another female, a comedic one hit KO with any physical damage being obscured, or having a convenient psychological weakness exploited by our protagonists. Which fits how the two big fights our protagonist has had to deal with this arc are against her two right hand male henchmen while their sole female peer is almost entirely ignored in both the plot and action sequences. That is not a coincidence, that is pure bias.
But it still works well because of timing as Luffy is not capable of fighting a Yonko yet. Which is fine. But I'm not going to deny the convenience for Oda's preferred pattern character portrayals.
On the topic of the slashes though, no, that's just Oda wanting a minor character to do something reveal a new ability but needing the protagonists to progress unscathed for the sake of the plot. Carrot and Big Mom were wrecking ships a while ago so there's no reason to suddenly create double standards now. This particular topic of angled air/water slashes is being blown out of proportion. But all the talk about sexism is only in regards to jokes and other past/possible scenarios.
Nobody, not one person, has seriously said saying Smoothie missed in this chapter because Oda's sexist. That's a straw man being made out of people only trying to have fun in such a boring discussion. They're jokes, nothing more.
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@Count:
Nobody, not one person, has seriously said saying Smoothie missed in this chapter because Oda's sexist. That's a straw man being made out of people only trying to have fun in such a boring discussion. They're jokes, nothing more.
Can't really tell these days who is being serious or not.
One is having a save the crew arc and one is having a war arc.
I couldn't see any other route that would be more perfect to introduce the Vinsmokes and Sanji's origin without Big Mom's arc.Besides, not sure what the Big Mom pirates are going to do after this all gets resolved, will the strawhats get anything out of it from Big Mom?
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@Long:
Is he really better than mashima? Fairy tail has a lot more dumb fanservice but the female protagonists are allowed to feel pain, fight men and generally have cool action scenes. Honestly Id trade a little less fanservice for some more badass women fights, where he see them going through the ringer to fight for their goals if not as hard as the guys, still go through it regardless. Like how nami got stabbed in her foot, or her shoulder in alabasta/enies lobby, and robin got knocked around a bit vs yama. More of that oda please.
Speaking on mashima, Hiro Mashima said this in an interview with a former editor
Interviewer: There are various opinions about Wendy getting injured.
I believe there are people who reject the idea of her being injured since she’s a little girl. My editor at that time also said “isn’t this overdoing it”. However, Wendy is a warrior and not an existence that must be protected. A warrior has to fight, and getting injured is something to be expected if you fight.
Interviewer: You said that during our meeting.
I drew Wendy as a comrade who fights together with the others. Even though she’s a little girl, as a fellow comrade, it would be a lie if she doesn’t get hurt together with the others. It hurts me to do that, but it’s something that can’t be helped. It’s painful for me to see her getting hurt. But I feel that this is what it means to be a comrade. Now that seems much more progressive than what oda has done lately, though thankfully wci has turned the tables on that for the most partWhere FT is concerned, personally all the incessant fanservice ("battle damage" included) definitely does majorly take away from the fact that its female characters are generally much more proactive when it comes to fighting. Like when people joke that the author should just do hentai already, it says a lot. It often doesn't feel like anything worth praising when the blatant fanservice is on the other side of that coin.
I'm not content with Oda's approach, but frankly I'd take it over what FT does.
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Can't really tell these days who is being serious or not.
One is having a save the crew arc and one is having a war arc.
I couldn't see any other route that would be more perfect to introduce the Vinsmokes and Sanji's origin without Big Mom's arc.Besides, not sure what the Big Mom pirates are going to do after this all gets resolved, will the strawhats get anything out of it from Big Mom?
I can't see any other route too, but it's also rather convenient that the one Yonko who has to deal with this, how I should put it, side quest-ish baggage (not that this arc isn't entertaining) is the token female Yonko. Who also happens to have the crew that isn't as bad per se as most other antagonists given Pekoms, Pudding, and Katakuri's behavior; along with Big Mom being innocent but misguided in her flashback.
At most, we see them on Elbaf again. But definitely not as the main arc antagonists. Their time to shine the brightest was here, they're never going to get that limelight back with how much Oda let the cat out of the bag this arc. Big Mom's probably going to be taken off the board by the time One Piece is found though. The same goes for every other Yonko in my mind, except Blackbeard for obvious reasons. But anything more specific than that gets murky and very theoretical. Although maybe all of the chaos that Big Mom's kingdom his endured this arc will have unexpected consequences for her.
If we're talking purely on a materialistic side, honestly, I only expect Sanji being back, Jinbe's recruitment, some leverage at Elbaf, Luffy's advanced Observation Haki and new Gear Fourth form, maybe a continued plot thread from the Underworld Brokers being present, and maybe the Fishman Island territory situation gets another twist if it doesn't end here. I don't know about expecting an actual "gift" of some sort from the Big Mom Pirates. But you never know, Oda's great at surprising us when it comes to more short-term developments and executing his concepts.
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How do you even go from OP writing to Fairy Tail level? I guess you just dropped out early before you got brain cancer and saw how horrible it bacame down the road.
Luffy seeing future is a CoO ability that was horeshadowed (during Marineford). He had the potential to reach that level and now he's attaining it, thanks to Oda throwing in revealation that haki truly shines only during extreme heat of battle. It is not a powerup out of nowhere, it have ties with story.
Then you throw in bunch of things that are yet to reach conclusion and write them off.
Smoothie doesn't use horizontal slash because she's a giant at this point - firstly she can utilize her giant weigth much better by throwing vertical slashes, secondly for a horizontal slash she'd have to rotate around to make such movement and mess up course of her ship.So for having cancer am i stupid? xD Dude, the hell with you?
I never referred to that, in fact it was the many ocassions where our main protagonists starts to avoid attacks after timeskip simply checking the aura of them before are performed. Problem is when script is involved in the "checking aura" process. I don't mind sense the breathing, don't mind VOAT, don't mind instinct perception… i even tolerated Haki flowing thought air... but the concept of Oda for FS simply doesn't fit to all the other topics and conditions of his flawed power.
Surely Smoothie is veeeery worried to change the course of her ship when he can one-shot the Sunny xD The giant size explanation for not doing the slash is fun, nonsensical, but fun.
Too much logic. Not good. Better to just call Oda sexist.
Anyway, I've stumbled upon quite a few of Shobu's posts and I've noticed that he completely misses/ignores context, not just in OP but in other series as well. I'd be wary of taking his posts seriously if I were you.
Man, i didn't brought the sexism topic here xD
If i wanted to do it, i would simply put the question:Why female Devil fruit users only have women thematic powers?
I will sincerely be quite sad the moment when you will start writing post with more than 5 lines, and still continue to not take me seriously :/
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Where FT is concerned, personally all the incessant fanservice ("battle damage" included) definitely does majorly take away from the fact that its female characters are generally much more proactive when it comes to fighting. Like when people joke that the author should just do hentai already, it says a lot. It often doesn't feel like anything worth praising when the blatant fanservice is on the other side of that coin.
I'm not content with Oda's approach, but frankly I'd take it over what FT does.
Idk I feel its faults are exaggerated in most fights, it really just depends on whether you can handle the fanservice or not. I mean a lot of people complain nami califa had fanservice but would ot have been better to just have nami not get a single fight in enies lobby. "Im sure glad you manly men gave it your all to save robin while I watched from the sidelines". When I say Id trade some fanservice for fights im not talking about the most erotic "fights" mashima has made but the nami kalifa level stuff of which mashima has made plenty of fights with the same amount of fanservice.
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@Long:
Idk I feel its faults are exaggerated in most fights, it really just depends on whether you can handle the fanservice or not. I mean a lot of people complain nami califa had fanservice but would ot have been better to just have nami not get a single fight in enies lobby. "Im sure glad you manly men gave it your all to save robin while I watched from the sidelines". When I say Id trade some fanservice for fights im not talking about the most erotic "fights" mashima has made but the nami kalifa level stuff of which mashima has made plenty of fights with the same amount of fanservice.
I mean, I finished it, so ultimately I handled it just fine I guess. And it's not just the fights having fanservice, it's extremely pervasive throughout the series in a way that puts its contemporaries to shame despite them of course not being flawless themselves. I mean hell, it straight up had characters like Erza tortured while nude, or the infamous orgasm magic. I don't think any of the criticisms I commonly saw regarding FT's fanservice were exaggerated, it was pretty spot-on and absolutely deserved.
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@Shobu:
Man, i didn't brought the sexism topic here xD
That wasn't directed at you specifically. It just so happened that you were the one quoted by pRopaaNS.
If i wanted to do it, i would simply put the question:
Why female Devil fruit users only have women thematic powers?
Off the top of my head: Robin, Hina, Miss Doublefinger, Miss MerryChristmas, Miss Valentine, Bonney, Baby 5, Monet, Sugar, Brulee, Viola, Boa Marigold and Sandersonia, Big Mom.
See, not only do you often miss/ignore context, you also conveniently forget characters that don't fit your narrative.
I will sincerely be quite sad the moment when you will start writing post with more than 5 lines, and still continue to not take me seriously :/
Thanks for proving me right.
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I mean, I finished it, so ultimately I handled it just fine I guess. And it's not just the fights having fanservice, it's extremely pervasive throughout the series in a way that puts its contemporaries to shame despite them of course not being flawless themselves. I mean hell, it straight up had characters like Erza tortured while nude, or the infamous orgasm magic. I don't think any of the criticisms I commonly saw regarding FT's fanservice were exaggerated, it was pretty spot-on and absolutely deserved.
I meant in combat hiro would have fights, im not trying to deny fairy tail had lots of fanservice, not all of it tastefuk but when it came to purely fights, erza/wendy/juvia generally were taken seriously. Lucy is kind of another story…at the very least not all fights in FT were as bad as the orgasm one, earlier on I think you could even say some had less fanservice than califa and nami. Which was my standard, if nami has to fight only other women, and she's gonna be wearing something sexy or she doesnt fight at all. Fine oda draw a compel questioable panels but gives us nami being a boss at the end
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@Long:
Even though jinbe is getting to mary sue levels of helmanship by multiple characters in the story. Seriously oda is being super blunt with jinbe being a great helmsman.
This is not the first time Oda has done this for the crew. Franky literally built an immaculate stone bridge out of wood just to show off his skills. Sanji could cook a five-course meal out of leftovers. Zoro had his stupid levels of durability and endurance showcased by having him nearly bleed out at the end of most of his fights.
So yeah, Oda has to show why Jinbei isn't just an ordinary Helmsman but a helmsman worthy of the Pirate King's ship. Because we all know that Luffy is essentially the Pirate King and this is just his origins story.
Also Smoothie is still a useless character who has achieved nothing of significance. In fact Brook was stealing the Road Poneglyph while she was outside the room taking up space being useless.
Off all the Charlotte family members she is the only one who has not affected the SH in any way whatsoever and now she's literally transforming into the most useless form in One Piece, Giants, who are so Useless they've been constantly One Shotted and their strongest and best fighters were beat by a five year old girl.
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@Shobu:
So for having cancer am i stupid? xD Dude, the hell with you?
I had no idea you have cancer, sorry. My point was that FT is far too gone into trash territory to make any comparisons with anything, let alone OP, so I gave you benefit of doubt that mauybe you dropped series early.
@Shobu:
I never referred to that, in fact it was the many ocassions where our main protagonists starts to avoid attacks after timeskip simply checking the aura of them before are performed. Problem is when script is involved in the "checking aura" process. I don't mind sense the breathing, don't mind VOAT, don't mind instinct perception… i even tolerated Haki flowing thought air... but the concept of Oda for FS simply doesn't fit to all the other topics and conditions of his flawed power.
Can you rephrase that? I don't understand what you're talking about.
@Shobu:
Surely Smoothie is veeeery worried to change the course of her ship when he can one-shot the Sunny xD The giant size explanation for not doing the slash is fun, nonsensical, but fun.
In the chapter crewmates warns her that ship is going to turn over if she gets any bigger. Her moving around too much have risk of sinking the ship too. Besides horizontal slash would have less power, which could be stopped by strawhats. Either way the story wouldn't write itself into Smoothie destroying Sunny.
@Shobu:
Man, i didn't brought the sexism topic here xD
It's called a joke.
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Luffy vs Katakuri looks more like a training that an actual fight
It's almost like Katakuri hadn't cut Luffy's throat (when he could) because he wanted him to get stronger
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@Long:
I meant in combat hiro would have fights, im not trying to deny fairy tail had lots of fanservice, not all of it tastefuk but when it came to purely fights, erza/wendy/juvia generally were taken seriously. Lucy is kind of another story…at the very least not all fights in FT were as bad as the orgasm one, earlier on I think you could even say some had less fanservice than califa and nami. Which was my standard, if nami has to fight only other women, and she's gonna be wearing something sexy or she doesnt fight at all. Fine oda draw a compel questioable panels but gives us nami being a boss at the end
It’s bewildering to me that the end-all-be-all for usefulness of Shounen characters culminate in whether or not said characters fought in 1v1s against what usually amounts to some expendable mook. I guess that’s the result of shounen authors often leading us to believe that is what is important in great climaxe. But to use the “Fairy Tail at least has female characters fight in 1v1”-card to handwave highly legit criticism of the way in which Mashima frame and portray his female characters is absurd. In Fairy Tail all female characters are there to be fan service first and characters second.
Beloved female characters in that series are chained up and have their clothes torn by dominatrixes, with panel layouts that put their bodies front and center in every single frame. That isn’t something having 1v1s fix or make up for in any way. Whereas Nami and Robin being very fleshed out characters who contribute to the crew and story do make up a lot for them not having fought in a 1v1 in about as long as Sanji, Chopper or Usopp has.Edit: do bear in mind that I fully understand any criticism relating to OP fan service and female characters often feeling like an afterthought. But comparing it to Fairy Tail sort of misses the point with having 1v1s and OPs brand of storytelling.