I've never gotten the impression that Oda writes his story for people who have never read any preceding arc in the story.
Chapter 891: Believing in me
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@K.:
Didn't Luffy said something similar when he was fighting Rob Lucci? That is the general idea I got from this fight. Luffy needs to distract Katakuri until they have to escape or defeat him before then. The objective change because Luffy saw an opportunity and he still has several hours to spare.
Mainly, if Luffy had that thought process with Rob, why not with Katakuri, do we need to see him say the same thing for both scenarios to carry the same consequences. Luffy is in middle of enemy territory, him not knowing what Katakuri is doing would be a risky move.
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I would compare what they did now, to Usopp's first encounter against Trebol and Sugar. We are missing the second part(shooting across the city - a serious fight) for any type of awakening.
Maybe you're thinking of his pre gear 2 speech to blueno, he didnt really have time to worry about that because lucci brought up killing his crew a few times
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I don't think Oda ever put hidden intentions behind Luffy's words.
If Luffy says "I am going back to try to surpass him" it means just that.Katakuri didn't move one inch during Luffy's 10 minutes of recovery. I don't think he would have after 10 hours.
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I don't remember anything similar happening against Lucci, and honestly I didn't like the fight, so I'm not gonna read through it now. And even assuming it did, do we need Luffy to repeat it for it to be obvious? Yes, we need it. OP is a kids' story where almost everything is spelled out directly, so if something isn't (and it's not supposed to be a mystery/foreshadowing or easter egg), then it most likely wasn't the intention. Also, Oda writes his story thinking about people picking it up halfway through and not only long-term fans, if he felt need to explain something 10+ years ago, he'd do the same now, because he knows many of his readers don't know about the EL arc.
Just because it's intended for Japanese teens/ adolescents doesn't mean all of the readers have the brain of a child. I can say I really don't need a storyteller holding my hand explaining every pannel to me forme to get a grasp on what is trying to be said.also people picking up on one piece….say Midway through like maybe they became fans around punk hazard or so, did they really just act like that was the beginning of the story? Why would they not go back and read from romance dawn
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I don't remember anything similar happening against Lucci, and honestly I didn't like the fight, so I'm not gonna read through it now. And even assuming it did, do we need Luffy to repeat it for it to be obvious? Yes, we need it. OP is a kids' story where almost everything is spelled out directly, so if something isn't (and it's not supposed to be a mystery/foreshadowing or easter egg), then it most likely wasn't the intention. Also, Oda writes his story thinking about people picking it up halfway through and not only long-term fans, if he felt need to explain something 10+ years ago, he'd do the same now, because he knows many of his readers don't know about the EL arc.
I don't know, this is something that has been established time and time again throughout the story. Luffy takes on the enemy that is the biggest threat to the crew. This is sometimes even said by the characters, but they do not say it every single time. There is no complex thought process about how the Katakuri vs Luffy fight is going on. Luffy understood that Katakuri was going to present the biggest threat to their escape, so he went to fight him in the mirror world. As he did that, he saw the opportunity to get stronger so he is using the time he has left before the rendezvous to achieve a new level of strength. However, that does not mean that the previous reason for him to seclude Katakuri disappears.
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Maybe you're thinking of his pre gear 2 speech to blueno, he didnt really have time to worry about that because lucci brought up killing his crew a few times
I am just saying that with the fact that:
1. We have seen new people come in to the mirror world. Even when we don't know what did Luffy did to Brulee.
2. Luffy does not know the extent of Brulee's abilities.
3. Katakuri is a threat if left unattended.That Luffy cannot just escape and leave him there. And we know that he didn't leave him alone for long period of times, because Luffy was traveling between islands before he decided to come back and train.
I don't think Oda ever put hidden intentions behind Luffy's words.
If Luffy says "I am going back to try to surpass him" it means just that.What hidden intentions are you talking about?
Katakuri didn't move one inch during Luffy's 10 minutes of recovery. I don't think he would have after 10 hours.
But it seems he did move. This is reflected by those panels where the different islands are reporting about seeing Luffy before he decided to take on Katakuri. You can see Katakuri is exasperated, he releases a sigh, that to me means that every time Luffy went back into the Mirror World to go to another island to rest, Katakuri tried to catch him.
I sincerely believe that Brulee is necessary to get out.
You do need her to go in and out any specific mirror. But I do believe that her house serves as a permanent gate to and from the mirror world. We can disagree on this, but with how we have seen her ability works and in what state her house in, I am pretty sure that is the case.
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I don't know, this is something that has been established time and time again throughout the story. Luffy takes on the enemy that is the biggest threat to the crew. This is sometimes even said by the characters, but they do not say it every single time. There is no complex thought process about how the Katakuri vs Luffy fight is going on. Luffy understood that Katakuri was going to present the biggest threat to their escape, so he went to fight him in the mirror world. As he did that, he saw the opportunity to get stronger so he is using the time he has left before the rendezvous to achieve a new level of strength. However, that does not mean that the previous reason for him to seclude Katakuri disappears.
I am just saying that with the fact that:
1. We have seen new people come in to the mirror world. Even when we don't know what did Luffy did to Brulee.
2. Luffy does not know the extent of Brulee's abilities.
3. Katakuri is a threat if left unattended.That Luffy cannot just escape and leave him there. And we know that he didn't leave him alone for long period of times, because Luffy was traveling between islands before he decided to come back and train.
What hidden intentions are you talking about?
But it seems he did move. This is reflected by those panels where the different islands are reporting about seeing Luffy before he decided to take on Katakuri. You can see Katakuri is exasperated, he releases a sigh, that to me means that every time Luffy went back into the Mirror World to go to another island to rest, Katakuri tried to catch him.
You do need her to go in and out any specific mirror. But I do believe that her house serves as a permanent gate to and from the mirror world. We can disagree on this, but with how we have seen her ability works and in what state her house in, I am pretty sure that is the case.
Once you shared that pic of her house I jumped ship to her house being a door too, that was a good catch I completely missed that
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When you have Brook talking with Pedro about Luffy's fortituous luck towards the path of becoming Pirate King
When you have Bege state that the future can be changed to the very man that sees it.
When you have the author putting to fight those two characters, and the lucky man wants to learn how to see the future like the other, forgetting about a real countermeasure to his other skill, a new hardening level…Is when it's normal to doubt if this is going right.
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@K.:
You do need her to go in and out any specific mirror. But I do believe that her house serves as a permanent gate to and from the mirror world. We can disagree on this, but with how we have seen her ability works and in what state her house in, I am pretty sure that is the case.
I can completely buy this. It would provide a believable explanation on how Flambee and her mooks were able to enter the Mirror World in the first place when they never were never seen around Brulee before, and also maybe how they can lead Luffy to this or another permanent exit point afterwards.
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I can completely buy this. It would provide a believable explanation on how Flambee and her mooks were able to enter the Mirror World in the first place when they never were never seen around Brulee before, and also maybe how they can lead Luffy to this or another permanent exit point afterwards.
It doesn't have to be explained though
Basically Brulée called people and told them wtf was happening with her and the mirrors and all. And Flambée came in.
Anyway, as far as we know, her house being a permanent opened door seems to be more a theory than an actual fact.
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Basically Brulée called people and told them wtf was happening with her and the mirrors and all. And Flambée came in.
Sounds like a perfectly viable option, however there are still a number of questions (I'm not saying the idea of permanent access in Brulee's house answers them either, mind). Such as when did she do it ? Possibly after Luffy re-entered the mirror world since she wasn't free of her moves before that, but then this implies he let her go which would be rather short-sighted on his part. And assuming he did, why is only Little Sister King coming to the rescue and not, say, the ministers who're currently enjoying their tea break on WCI ? Or, let's dream, Mrs "I'm-off-to a-picnic" Sweet Commander Smoothie.
And yes, at this stage the "house = permanent door" notion is but a theory. I'd even go as far as to point that if it really is one, or if there are other permanent doors, then why the hell did Katakuri not use said door(s) to exit the mirror world after Luffy escaped ?
One way or the other, I'm curious to see how and where Luffy will eventually manage to get back to the real world.
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Hmmm..now after the latest chapter plus the column of Greg, I really wonder what will be on top of the cake. He mentioned this before (https://one-piece.com/special/greg/detail/20171206_0835.html) and as we see, there is still no figure on top of the cake..
Would a statue of Mother Carmel make any sense? I don´t think so…(also..I don´t think Sanji knows her whole appearance). But what could make a difference? Or is this point not that important at all...?
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How is Usopp getting it then bad development? We already knew people had natural potential for it. Luffy and Koby already set the precedent.
No I was saying the opposite lol we wouldn't have the good development like Ussop learning midfight if he was just taught by trio
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AAaaah! The wait is too long! Need the story to move from "Big Mom needing her cake!"
I wouldn't mind if a flashback happens during the eating, but I just want the eating to happen and the combat to halt.
If Oda really has nothing for Smoothie to do, then we might as well return to Flashback territory. All Daifuku wants to do is make faces and he and Smoothie are the only ones worth a damn out there.
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I also wonder what the next chapter will cover.
BigMom will halt her attack and head to the cake. There might be some attempts by the BM Pirates to stop her, but I cant see any effective way for them to do that.
But with the aftermath of her having eaten the cake probably covered later, that is still not enough to fill a whole chapter.
So more Luffy-Katakuri fighting? (maybe the resolution of their fight happens at the same time when Big Mom eats the cake, but then again I cant see it being finished in one chapter and it shouldnt be that long for Big Mom to arrive at Capone ship when she already had noticed the smell) -
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I don't know, this is something that has been established time and time again throughout the story. Luffy takes on the enemy that is the biggest threat to the crew. This is sometimes even said by the characters, but they do not say it every single time. There is no complex thought process about how the Katakuri vs Luffy fight is going on. Luffy understood that Katakuri was going to present the biggest threat to their escape, so he went to fight him in the mirror world. As he did that, he saw the opportunity to get stronger so he is using the time he has left before the rendezvous to achieve a new level of strength. However, that does not mean that the previous reason for him to seclude Katakuri disappears.
Yet he wasn't afraid of letting him go out of his sight and leaving him unattended, and he's willingly making it harder for himself. Getting stronger is the main goal now in that fight. When he first started the fight, Katakuri was on-board the Sunny and the situation was rather dire. But then he stopped him, the mirrors were broken etc. Plus he had Brulee secured by himself. Do you really think Luffy would leave the mirrorworld if he was afraid of Katakuri going after SHs? Being immensly overwhelmed is no-argument in a sittuaton like this, not for Luffy.
Just because it's intended for Japanese teens/ adolescents doesn't mean all of the readers have the brain of a child. I can say I really don't need a storyteller holding my hand explaining every pannel to me forme to get a grasp on what is trying to be said.also people picking up on one piece….say Midway through like maybe they became fans around punk hazard or so, did they really just act like that was the beginning of the story? Why would they not go back and read from romance dawn
But Oda is treating his readers like children, most shounens are because some of these readers might just be little kids, most stuff (even if it's obvious) is explicitly stated, things are often repeated times and times again just to hammer the message etc. And why would reader not go back and read from th beginning? Not everyone is willing to go for illegal scanlations, including the youngest readers who also might have problems buying 80+ volumes (or 28 logs) in quick succession. I imagine many kids just start in the middle and only later do read the earlier parts. Oda even acknowledges this fact in SBS, I imagine that is why you have stuff like boxes explaining workings of reappearing characters' devil fruits in Impel Down.
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Yet he wasn't afraid of letting him go out of his sight and leaving him unattended, and he's willingly making it harder for himself. Getting stronger is the main goal now in that fight. When he first started the fight, Katakuri was on-board the Sunny and the situation was rather dire. But then he stopped him, the mirrors were broken etc. Plus he had Brulee secured by himself. Do you really think Luffy would leave the mirrorworld if he was afraid of Katakuri going after SHs? Being immensly overwhelmed is no-argument in a sittuaton like this, not for Luffy.
…...So?
I'm pretty sure you're just being willfully obtuse at this point, arguing for the sake of arguing. So what if his goal is to get stronger? What do you mean that getting overwhelmed is not an argument, when Luffy left the mirror world EXPLICITLY because he was about to exit Gear 4 and be overwhelmed?
K. Kira made a great post and point about Luffy always instinctively taking on the biggest threat to the crew, and I see you attempting to counter that point, but...how? Why? K. Kira is correct: Luffy gets the biggest big bad because it's a shonen; He doesn't run from the big bad because it's a shonen. The characters in the story even stopped the story themselves to point this out in his battle against Lucci.
One of the most important skills in a healthy discussion is the ability to read/listen, say "Hmm. Good point/Interesting point!" and move on to the next topic. So what exactly are you arguing here?
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I'm pretty sure you're just being willfully obtuse at this point, arguing for the sake of arguing.Nope.
So what if his goal is to get stronger?
There's no "so what". It is what I'm claiming, at this point getting stronger is th prmary goal for Luffy's battle with Katakuri and not stopping him from attacking the crew.
What do you mean that getting overwhelmed is not an argument, when Luffy left the mirror world EXPLICITLY because he was about to exit Gear 4 and be overwhelmed?
I meant that getting overwhelmed wouldn't be an argument to stop the fight if Luffy thought Katakuri would go for his crew. He would keep him occupied all the time. That's just how Luffy is. If he left him, it means he didn't consider this possibility.
K. Kira made a great post and point about Luffy always instinctively taking on the biggest threat to the crew, and I see you attempting to counter that point, but…how? Why?
Luffy usually targets the biggest threat or the one most responsible for the suffering of his friends (crewmates or othrwise), who usually turns out to b the strongest of th bunch. I'm not arguing it. This time he also fights the strongest person (sans BM), that is correct too. But at this point his primary goal is getting stronger. That's all I'm arguing.
One of the most important skills in a healthy discussion is the ability to read/listen, say "Hmm. Good point/Interesting point!" and move on to the next topic. So what exactly are you arguing here?
Actually discussing what's at hand and not trying to lecture the other person also happens to do great to discussions. If I disagree with someone and I believe I can add something new or clarify what I meant previously I'll usually do just that. Forgive me if having a different views at a comic book offends you.
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Actually discussing what's at hand and not trying to lecture the other person also happens to do great to discussions. If I disagree with someone and I believe I can add something new or clarify what I meant previously I'll usually do just that. Forgive me if having a different views at a comic book offends you.
No, it doesn't. I see what you're saying. I do think that avoiding getting overwhelmed (by exiting mirror world) could help him continue the fight so that Katakuri doesn't have the opportunity to go after the crew, but that's just my thoughts on it.
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......On second thought, I'm gonna take my own advice and say: Hmm. That's a good point!
See, now that I'm thinking about it more: It was INCREDIBLY DUMB for Oda to have Luffy imitate Ichigo "Waaaah! That's not the way I wanted to win!" Kurosaki. His stated goal was to stop Katakuri from attacking his crew. Yet, instead of going with a winning strategy--forcing Kata to overuse his haki--he instead chooses the "But m'pride!" approach. Like, who gives a crap if Katakuri runs out of Haki and can't troll his way out of everything?! Punch him in his smug teeth and keep it moving.
That would be like if Luffy told Nami not to help him against Cracker, or if he decided he wasn't gonna use the barrel of water against Crocodile cause it wouldn't be fair. I don't like the dumb Fair-Fight Luffy, calling out attacks to a FREAKING ADMIRAL because he can't see or refusing to disable Katakuri's future sight because then he wouldn't be at his best. He deserved his subsequent ass-whooping back then, and he deserves it now >:-(
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No, it doesn't. I see what you're saying. I do think that avoiding getting overwhelmed (by exiting mirror world) could help him continue the fight so that Katakuri doesn't have the opportunity to go after the crew, but that's just my thoughts on it.
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......On second thought, I'm gonna take my own advice and say: Hmm. That's a good point!
See, now that I'm thinking about it more: It was INCREDIBLY DUMB for Oda to have Luffy imitate Ichigo "Waaaah! That's not the way I wanted to win!" Kurosaki. His stated goal was to stop Katakuri from attacking his crew. Yet, instead of going with a winning strategy--forcing Kata to overuse his haki--he instead chooses the "But m'pride!" approach. Like, who gives a crap if Katakuri runs out of Haki and can't troll his way out of everything?! Punch him in his smug teeth and keep it moving.
That would be like if Luffy told Nami not to help him against Cracker, or if he decided he wasn't gonna use the barrel of water against Crocodile cause it wouldn't be fair. I don't like the dumb Fair-Fight Luffy, calling out attacks to a FREAKING ADMIRAL because he can't see or refusing to disable Katakuri's future sight because then he wouldn't be at his best. He deserved his subsequent ass-whooping back then, and he deserves it now >:-(
Are you saying Luffy shouldn't use this opportunity to hone his Kenbunshoku Haki that will benefit him more in future fights?
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Yeah, I mean, Luffy's pretty much forcing Katakuri to train him at this point, since he can take as many time-outs as he he wants with Brûlée as a hostage and Mochi Man can't seem to do anything but wait for his return. Plus, he can't return to the Sunny easily, so he might as well take the convenient opportunity to get stronger for the comming trials (and personally, I think there's something specific planned for future sight in Wano).
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You guys sound like you've forgotten the number of times Luffy has said he has faith in his crew. He knows he doesn't have to always come to their rescue. Him ignoring the biggest threat isn't out of character. Besides, they have a plan and he's sticking to it. He doesn't have a way to get to them anyway. He destroyed the access point to protect them from harm.
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Sounds like a perfectly viable option, however there are still a number of questions (I'm not saying the idea of permanent access in Brulee's house answers them either, mind). Such as when did she do it ?
Are you asking about when did Brulee setup the house with the mirror? It was there when Chopper and Carrot were about to get cooked.
And yes, at this stage the "house = permanent door" notion is but a theory. I'd even go as far as to point that if it really is one, or if there are other permanent doors, then why the hell did Katakuri not use said door(s) to exit the mirror world after Luffy escaped ?
He could have, but if there is only one portal, then he would exit the Mirror World in Whole Cake Island, which would put him far away from Cacao Island. There is another reason which I'll go into further down.
Yet he wasn't afraid of letting him go out of his sight and leaving him unattended, and he's willingly making it harder for himself.
The context is important. To draw a comparison, when Luffy ran out of haki during gear fourth and Gatz picked him up he said something along the lines of: "I could evade Mingo for 10 minutes, but he might start targeting the citizens". Therefore, if Luffy and Mango were fighting in the Mirror World, Luffy had the confidence to dodge him for the entire time without the assistance of Brulee. Against Katakuri, the panels and what Luffy was saying all led to him realizing that he was about to get defeated. So, Brulee provided a quick way out, but he would still need to make sure Katakuri does not go against the crew afterwards.
Regardless if Luffy exited the Mirror World, any place he comes out from is enemy territory. The fact that Luffy was sighted at many different islands, dictates that he went back inside the Mirror World. Katakuri was seen annoyed before Luffy told Brulee that he wanted to beat her big brother. Which makes it seem that throughout the entire time Luffy was recovering, he had been chased either by Big Mom's troops or Katakuri.
Getting stronger is the main goal now in that fight. When he first started the fight, Katakuri was on-board the Sunny and the situation was rather dire. But then he stopped him, the mirrors were broken etc. Plus he had Brulee secured by himself.
I still don't see why it is important if it is now the main goal. Why can the two goals not coexist? Also going by direct messages, last chapter Luffy told Katakuri that: "they think I'll beat you" so he is still fighting for the crew. He could just have said: "I want to defeat you because I want to get stronger".
Do you really think Luffy would leave the mirrorworld if he was afraid of Katakuri going after SHs? Being immensly overwhelmed is no-argument in a sittuaton like this, not for Luffy.
As I said above, yes. He was about to get defeated and he knew it. Luffy has grown smarter and knows when to retreat to fight another day.
There's no "so what". It is what I'm claiming, at this point getting stronger is th prmary goal for Luffy's battle with Katakuri and not stopping him from attacking the crew.
I am saying it is both.
I meant that getting overwhelmed wouldn't be an argument to stop the fight if Luffy thought Katakuri would go for his crew. He would keep him occupied all the time. That's just how Luffy is. If he left him, it means he didn't consider this possibility.
And given the context, that is exactly what happened. Luffy could stay still for long as he went from island to island. All the while avoiding Katakuri in the mirror world. So just by being in that situation Luffy was keeping both Katakuri and many of Big Mom's troops occupied. That's why when Big Mom was after him he felt relief because it meant that his crew was most likely safe.
Anyways, this is getting to be long post, I would post the pages to go along my post, but that's too much work. I hope you trust my interpretation of the different scenarios.
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Are you asking about when did Brulee setup the house with the mirror?
Ah, no. I meant when did she manage to call for help and smuggle Flambee & team into the mirror world.
- option 1 : they could have been there all along and entered when Big Mom's crew started their counterattack after the castle collapse, but there was no sign of them prior to last chapter (more than anything it really just points that Little Sister King is a last-minute addition by Oda, though)
- option 2 : Brulee somehow escaped after Luffy last re-entered mirrorworld, she immediately sought reinforcement and voilà, Flambee arrives. However this asks the question of why she didn't also go to Mont d'Or or Smoothie on the main island and also would be a dumb move from Luffy as he lost his only way out
- option 3 : there is indeed a permanent access to mirrorworld through which Flambee & team entered of their own volition when they learned big brother Kata is there, Brulee is still Luffy's captive somewhere in mirrorworld
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- option 4 : Oda just wanted to add a cool character, there may be small inconsistencies as a result and I shouldn't overthink it. Probably gonna end that way. :ninja:
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Morgans seems to secretly root for the SHs, as he has shown in this chapter. He didn't want Stussy to reveal the responsible for the Chateau collapsing.
After this Showdown is over, WE times maybe will release a Comic about the SHs instead of Germa.And Nami now really has Zeus (or a part of him) as a pet. The Crew sure is progressing in the NW.
oh, that was last chapter
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Are you saying Luffy shouldn't use this opportunity to hone his Kenbunshoku Haki that will benefit him more in future fights?
No, I'm saying he shouldn't be playing with the lives of his crew!
If he was fighting Hody Jones, a scrub who he quickly discovered was a scrub, then he could afford to add all these stretch (intended) goals to his fight. But there's zero reason for Luffy to believe that he can clown around in this fight (he should have AMPLE fist-based evidence that Kata is more than a match for him in a straight-up brawl). Luffy trying to ensure that Katakuri has ADDITIONAL advantages to use against him is silly.
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Yeah, I mean, Luffy's pretty much forcing Katakuri to train him at this point
Which he could still very much do by just trying to survive the fight against Katakuri, without Oda making him remark on how he needs Katakuri to be at his absolute COO best before fighting him. Again, it's that same overconfidence that made him think it was necessary to tell a marine admiral how he was going to attack him. Luffy has never been this battle-dumb before, so it sticks out.
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If he was fighting Hody Jones, a scrub who he quickly discovered was a scrub.
But he needs an exceptionally strong enemy to do this training. Like you said, Hody was a scrub.
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no chapter this week?
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I thought we already had a break last week.
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no chapter this week?
Spoilers have been coming about Wednesday/Thursday now. Patience, mochi man.
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no chapter this week?
There's talk about spoiler providers stopping with Japanese authorities taking active action, so spoilers might take some more time. There is a chapter this week though.
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The TOC just got leaked and confirmed that OP is in.
So check out the Shueisha thread every wednesday instead of wasting your time asking it.
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But he needs an exceptionally strong enemy to do this training. Like you said, Hody was a scrub.
And we can all agree he has that in Katakuri. And we can also agree that it's not just because of Mr. Kuri's COO. Luffy just makes it sound as if he doesn't think Katakuri would be enough of a challenge without it–hence him saying that he doesn't want to disable the future sight first.
Also, Luffy had already fought him at his best--that's the only reason he ever got to a condition in which he was less than his best. So what exactly was Luffy complaining about?
Either way, if he's been taking the beating that Flambe described, he can't have much more gas in the tank at this point. And he isn't even close to avoiding Katakuri's offense, much less getting through his defense (which is just a bunch more offense). Unlike Jet Gatling against Lucci, I don't think Luffy has a single attack that can take Katakuri's HP from where it is now down to 0; that's if he could even figure out how to land it. I have no idea how this fight is gonna go!
Also: I feel everyone's pain--Why isn't a new chapter here yet! It's ben so looooonnnng..........
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And we can all agree he has that in Katakuri. And we can also agree that it's not just because of Mr. Kuri's COO. Luffy just makes it sound as if he doesn't think Katakuri would be enough of a challenge without it–hence him saying that he doesn't want to disable the future sight first.
Also, Luffy had already fought him at his best--that's the only reason he ever got to a condition in which he was less than his best. So what exactly was Luffy complaining about?
Either way, if he's been taking the beating that Flambe described, he can't have much more gas in the tank at this point. And he isn't even close to avoiding Katakuri's offense, much less getting through his defense (which is just a bunch more offense). Unlike Jet Gatling against Lucci, I don't think Luffy has a single attack that can take Katakuri's HP from where it is now down to 0; that's if he could even figure out how to land it. I have no idea how this fight is gonna go!
Also: I feel everyone's pain--Why isn't a new chapter here yet! It's ben so looooonnnng..........
I don't get the CoO bit. It's not like Luffy can prevent Katakuri from having his CoO… of course he can make the fight last for so long Katakuri will end up depleting it, but it is unlikely Luffy will last that long without having to resort to G4 (and the time he needs to recharge his own Haki after using G4 apparently is bigger than what takes Katakuri to recharge his). If he can do it without G4, though, it is likely that's where the fight is heading.
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Where is my weekly drug?
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Where is my weekly drug?
Patience, folks :)
Awesome Avatar btw! Made my day..eeeh..afternoon… XD
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And we can all agree he has that in Katakuri. And we can also agree that it's not just because of Mr. Kuri's COO. Luffy just makes it sound as if he doesn't think Katakuri would be enough of a challenge without it–hence him saying that he doesn't want to disable the future sight first.
Also, Luffy had already fought him at his best--that's the only reason he ever got to a condition in which he was less than his best. So what exactly was Luffy complaining about?
But if Luffy only takes advantage of his convenient Brûlée-mirror-travel situation right now as a way to abuse hit and run tactics to wear down Katakuri's Haki/stamina and then beats him when he's weakened, that wouldn't make him he him much stronger or teach him anything useful for later, and he knows he's got to take on Kaido once they get to Wano.
Either way, if he's been taking the beating that Flambe described, he can't have much more gas in the tank at this point. And he isn't even close to avoiding Katakuri's offense, much less getting through his defense (which is just a bunch more offense). Unlike Jet Gatling against Lucci, I don't think Luffy has a single attack that can take Katakuri's HP from where it is now down to 0; that's if he could even figure out how to land it. I have no idea how this fight is gonna go!
I could see one more use of gear 4th being enough to end to fight (whether it ends with a full, climactic knockout or Kata's back hitting the ground) given how effective it was before.
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If another random fatherless child of Meme's shows up…
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How i see this happening imo is that luffy gets a lucky hit thanks to his COO improvement and gets katakuri on his back, being on his back while his siblings see it will mindfuck him to the point where he will be mentally out of the fight and luffy will just straight up clobber him with a kong gatling.
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How i see this happening imo is that luffy gets a lucky hit thanks to his COO improvement and gets katakuri on his back, being on his back while his siblings see it will mindfuck him to the point where he will be mentally out of the fight and luffy will just straight up clobber him with a kong gatling.
Oda is not going to end this fight in a cheap way. Luffy literally said he could have defeated Katakuri by stalling him until his CoO ran out, but he wants to beat him at full power.
The thing about the back, is what Oda said about Luffy since day 1: His DF power matches his personality. Every time he goes down, he gets right back up.
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If another random fatherless child of Meme's shows up…
"If another character is introduced in a way consistent with the way 90% of the characters in this arc have been….."
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What if the next child introduced debuts WITH their father?
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@Kaido:
What if the next child introduced debuts WITH their father?
Well I'd imagine Screwtape will still complain about it while forcing a way to use "big meme" in it.
In all seriousness, we've really got most of the information we need from Pound about the fathers. She uses them up, then abandons them simply.
I'm genuinely impressed that the sheer number of children from Big Mom's family without fathers haven't resulted in a shitload of "X is Y's father! They fucked Big Mom!" theory videos on Youtube.
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Because just by looking at Pound you know all the power scale hype comes from Big Mom's genes. They have also tried with Streussen being Kata's fasha.
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If another random fatherless child of Meme's shows up…
I stared at this sentence for a solid minute having no idea what it meant.
Then I realized you meant Mom -
Spoilers should be popping up today?
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Spoilers should be popping up today?
Been waiting for them in here for a while now, nur álinur?
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No cahpter this week?
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Could there be a G4 version based on coo or thatworks with it? Boundman is muscles power, tankman is …um fat defense, gear 4 flash, slim version based on speed that works good with CoO?
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Been waiting for them in here for a while now, nur álinur?
Apparently only HunterXHunter had spoilers until now.