Anyone else frustrated on how Saitama comes in and ruins solid character and story moments by immediately brushing aside any threat to the plot like it was of no consequence whatsoever? It feels like if Puck from Berserk would just hand wave whatever mighty demon Guts would struggle with.
Onepunch-Man (redrawn version)
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But that's kinda the whole point of One Punch Man though –-> satire
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Anyone else frustrated on how Saitama comes in and ruins solid character and story moments by immediately brushing aside any threat to the plot like it was of no consequence whatsoever? It feels like if Puck from Berserk would just hand wave whatever mighty demon Guts would struggle with.
Notice how saitama is usually removed from the plot and only ever shows up in world-ending situations as a last resort. Garou still got away, centipede or no centipede, and Saitama was specifically not there to allow that to happen. Saitama is a a plot-device, but One knows well enough to not use him in a way that avoids all consequences. People still lose fights, Genos still gets pushed to grow, Garou still gets the chance to grow stronger without having Saitama annihilate him completely, the Monsters still beat several people to a pulp before Saitama saves the day (and even then, he only saves it in no-win situations, otherwise the threat is dealt with by someone else).
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It would be a very short series the other way around.
You cant have every monster being at Boro's level.
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Funny thing is, Boros was still was a joke to Saitama, so even that wouldn't help.
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Eh, at least he was able to fight back for a while, give the guy some merit.
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His desperation moves looked nice, I'll give him that. :3 Especially when he tried to send Saitama out of orbit.
At least he didn't get the: "Anyone can throw a rock, that's nothing special".
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I really liked how genos was able to use tactics to deal a serious blow that would have probably cripplied elder centipede if he dodnt have regeneration. Like yeah he didnt get the win but he was badass here, really showed he belongs as an s class guy, heck he probably would have killed garou (albeit a tired garou) if bang didnt step in
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@K.:
Not to mention that Watchdog-man(sp?) seems to be similar to Saitama in regards of his strength.
But Watchdoman shows a canine side in watching his territory. Pretty much a sign he's a different character.
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Does anyone think that Saitama will get a bit of credit? I know King will get most of the credit but Saitama might move up a bit in the ranking(like during the meteor incident), Genos, Bang witnessed him destroy Elder Centipede.
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I like how Saitama always tells Genos he needs power and Genos is taking the same notes as if it meant anything.
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People still don't get that Saitama's final opponent will be King? He hasn't beat the man a single time in video games, and that's super important.
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Notice how saitama is usually removed from the plot and only ever shows up in world-ending situations as a last resort. Garou still got away, centipede or no centipede, and Saitama was specifically not there to allow that to happen. Saitama is a a plot-device, but One knows well enough to not use him in a way that avoids all consequences. People still lose fights, Genos still gets pushed to grow, Garou still gets the chance to grow stronger without having Saitama annihilate him completely, the Monsters still beat several people to a pulp before Saitama saves the day (and even then, he only saves it in no-win situations, otherwise the threat is dealt with by someone else).
I feel that the characters could still manage without him around, and thus with a 100% victory trump card gone raises stakes and gives the plot more places to go to. If whatever threat comes their way can be back handed by asking for Saitama why even pretend to have a plot to begin with.
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But Watchdoman shows a canine side in watching his territory. Pretty much a sign he's a different character.
? I am not saying that Watchdogman and Saitama are the same character. But that their strength seems to come from a similar nature. So Watchdogman attained his power in the same sort of dedicated way that Saitama did with his training. I can see the former having done that the equivalent of the canine way.
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@K.:
? I am not saying that Watchdogman and Saitama are the same character. But that their strength seems to come from a similar nature. So Watchdogman attained his power in the same sort of dedicated way that Saitama did with his training. I can see the former having done that the equivalent of the canine way.
Are yo saying Watchdogman did 100 fetches, 100 belly rubs, 10km daily walks and with out trimming his fur in the summer? That's more ludicrous than Saitama's.
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Exactly. Including 100 paws.
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Anyone else frustrated on how Saitama comes in and ruins solid character and story moments by immediately brushing aside any threat to the plot like it was of no consequence whatsoever?
Not really? Being bothered by that in One Punch Man is like reading Fist of the North Star and getting irritated by Kenshiro doing the same thing.
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The first 115 pages were utterly boring crap… King came to save the chapter! Baldy save the King
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I feel that the characters could still manage without him around, and thus with a 100% victory trump card gone raises stakes and gives the plot more places to go to. If whatever threat comes their way can be back handed by asking for Saitama why even pretend to have a plot to begin with.
It looks like you're expecting the series to be something else it never was or promised to be.
It's called One Punch Man, there's a guy who solves all the problems with a punch. The end.The fact that it "pretends" to have a plot is part of the main joke. Every serious problem is going to be solved with Saitama using one punch.
The fact that the rest of the world is completly unaware of it is only ever a set up to him coming along punching something/someone and going home bored. All the other characters can still evolve in many ways, not him, he's already at a "max level new game +" point. This is not One Piece, with Luffy fighting hard to be pirate king, this is not Naruto training hard be hokage, this is not Goku dying two times to save the Earth, this is a joke.
Haing every other character being "normal", full of flaws and trials, is simply there to reinforce that joke because good jokes have tons of work and love beyond them. -
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Exactly. Including 100 paws.
Lol.. that' OPM for you…
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Genos W-L record in Season 1 was really bad, he only had 1 win.
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Genos W-L record in Season 1 was really bad, he only had 1 win.
In fairness, six of those losses were to Dragon and God-level opponents while the other two were high Demon.
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Genos W-L record in Season 1 was really bad, he only had 1 win.
Are those Genos fights?
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Yep, from Season 1 up until now.
Forgot to include when he defeated those Gangsters in OVA 2.
Idk if this was posted but these are some interesting notes about Murata when he was drawing Chapter 84.
! According to what Murata said on stream, ONE’s original storyboard had Bang going alone against Elder with his Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist. Bang’s plan was to push Elder aside, but was only able to halt Elder’s advance, while Bang ended up being the one getting pushed aside. Elder took no damage, and Genos made a comment on being shocked by the power Bang demonstrated.Murata didn’t like the fact that Bomb got so little screen time, and said Bomb is even stronger than Bang and he needs his fair share, so Murata decided to have Bang and Bomb use a combined strike.
One relevant point I should mention here is Murata said on stream that ONE would miss storyboard pages and make fights deliberately brief, e.g. show only start of a fight and the end result, and gives Murata the freedom to come up with details of the actual combat in-between.
! For this particular fight (Elder vs. Bang, Bomb, Genos), Murata said ONE’s ‘end result’ was that Elder cannot die/be badly hurt at the hands Bang/Bomb/Genos, that cannot be changed, but as you’ll see in a second, Murata took a fan’s suggestion on stream and used the freedom he has with the “in-between” details to significantly change the nature of the fight. ONE was very happy with the result approves the new version personally. ONE even came up with a new name for the combo move. Here’s the detailed series of events:
! A fan on stream questioned Murata about the inconsistency in power levels, said if Bang and Bomb combined couldn’t hurt Elder Centipede, doesn’t it make Metal Bat stronger than them combined? Shouldn’t the combined hit at least damage Elder’s face like cave it in or something? Murata acknowledges the issue and said he will discuss this with ONE to see what the official changes can be made.
Murata decided to go ahead and alter the fight as follows: . .
Instead of doing no damage, the combined hit by Bomb and Bang now cracks Elder’s entire carapace as well as bursting Elder’s face. Murata said that the combo attack can’t be 2x Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fists, but something one level weaker, to distinguish it from the punch against Overgrown Rover later on.
! The reaction/impact knocks Bomb and Bang back, relatively unharmed though
! Unexpectedly, the cracked carapace helped Elder with his molting process, a new, bigger body emerged out of the old shell, with a new face and extra eyes on his head. The three of them (Bang, Bomb and Genos) combine their powers to attack it. . .
Murata thanks the fan for his very reasonable suggestions, said otherwise there would be a problem with power levels. With the new change, the fight is more fleshed out, power imbalance is more or less resolved, and it doesn’t violate the ‘end result’ (Elder can’t die or be badly hurt) set by ONE (i.e. although Elder was hurt, the molting evolved him so he’s stronger and no longer hurt)
! Murata said he will send the sketches to ONE, awaiting approval and lines. He later updates on stream and said ONE is happy with the changes. ONE particularly likes the molting/evolving idea, said he had been trying to come up with a way to address the power imbalance for almost 2 days.
ONE came up with a new name for the combo technique: 旋風流水轟氣空裂拳, which can be translated roughly as Whirlwind Water Stream Blasting Sky Splitting Fist, a more advanced technique than both Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist and Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist, a move that splits the skies and blast airstreams into the opponent’s body: https://i.imgur.com/noNHZTs.jpg
T/N: Elder vs. Metal Bat: according to ONE/Murata, Metal Bat thought Elder’s weakness is his face, but it’s actually not the case…not sure what to make of it, is he implying that Elder’s face is actually extremely strong and the only reason it cracked was because it was about to molt anyway?
Murata also implied that someone else will be the one to take out evolved Elder, so it doesn’t matter if they made him even stronger. Something about what will happen next: Murata said Genos will end up being melted by Elder’s stomach acid, and that Bang will rescue him and suffer minor acid burns. Genos will be grateful. It was half joking so I’m not sure if it’s going to happen.
! Regarding Garou vs. Bang
Murata says Bang’s water stream rock smashing fist is much more efficient and precise than Garou’s. Garou must make a conscious effort in order to use the techniques, but for Bang it’s become part of his very being.
Garou had already started to evolve towards his monster form during this chapter. The bandages and debris on his arms have started to merge with his body.
Phoenix man rescues Garou . .
Genos . .
Genos got cut in half by Elder, but pieces himself back together and rocket kicks Elder in the face, breaking his teeth. The kick is an upgraded version of the kick he once threw against Saitama.
T/N: Not sure if it’s original or evolved version though.
Genos has an inner monologue about how strong Gouketsu, Elder Centipede and Garou are (Garou already started to evolve during the fight with Bang and Bomb and I think got a lot more powerful), and that the fight against Monster Association cannot be avoided, and if he (Genos) continues to be like this (careless? Powerless?), he’ll only be good enough as backup.
! ONE apparently only drew Genos being cut in half. Murata had to come up with the rest of the details. Seems like ONE isn’t too high on poor Genos and Murata is using everything in his power to make Genos look less bad
! Other stuff . .
Murata complains about drawing Elder Centipede. He hates it. A usual page takes around 1.5 hours, but with EC it’s much longer. He draws the centipede himself and leaves the background to his assistants. Elder Centipede making an entrance, Murata’s
! Someone asked Murata about the photorealistic backgrounds, he said he doesn’t ask too much, his assistants take care of the details. Said as far as he can tell they were all hand drawn.
! Updates to Sonic vs. Gale Wind/Hellfire Flame . . Their fight was updated in volume 15 and Sonic’s speed relative to those 2 is significantly increased. They no longer speedblitz him as he’s standing there. The exchange was pretty back and forth and Sonic was able to keep up with them. -
Anyone else frustrated on how Saitama comes in and ruins solid character and story moments by immediately brushing aside any threat to the plot like it was of no consequence whatsoever?.
Anyone else frustrated about One Piece being about a rubber man who wants to be Pirate King?
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We definitely all enjoy the fights involving Saitama and the serious ones involving anyone else who's strong.
Maybe sometimes Saitama should wait a little bit before butting in, but in the end there was nothing left in this fight. Genos was dead and the ninjas had no technique powerful enough against this monsterAlso, I like how they made a list of 4 super-strong heroes who are a threat just like the Quincy did in Bleach
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Anyone else frustrated on how Saitama comes in and ruins solid character and story moments by immediately brushing aside any threat to the plot like it was of no consequence whatsoever? It feels like if Puck from Berserk would just hand wave whatever mighty demon Guts would struggle with.
I'm not frustrated about Saitama, since he is unique and his story could be told in a memorable way down the line.
What frustrates me is how OPM (this 134 page long chapter especially) treats other characters. Bang and especially Genos here had great moments, moments of development and glory, yet the author sh*ts on them and returns to Saitama saving the day by beating Elder Centipede. Why not have Bang or Genos defeat it after a really nice fight? Why make a joke out of Genos' awesome moment, where he pushed past his limits, by have him utterly destroyed once more? It's nonsense.
I dont have a problem with how Saitama saves the day (I'm actually interested in the real reasons) - I have a problem with how OFTEN he saves it, when instead other characters (Bang is #3 S-Class fgs) could get some actual time to shine.
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Why make a joke out of Genos' awesome moment, where he pushed past his limits, by have him utterly destroyed once more? It's nonsense.
Genos' whole purpose is to be dismantled everytime a strong foe appears. Its a running gag, he looks and acts cool but its the bald guy in the ridiculous outfit and the bored face who steals his glory every time.
If people are rooting for Genos just because he looks like a classic shonen protagonist they are not getting the joke.
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Anyone else frustrated on how Saitama comes in and ruins solid character and story moments by immediately brushing aside any threat to the plot like it was of no consequence whatsoever? It feels like if Puck from Berserk would just hand wave whatever mighty demon Guts would struggle with.
Lmao… Dude that's the whole point! Saitama is the ultimate anti climax. Hes power incarnate and is the ultimate plot device.
Also to those bringing up serious punch, Saitama used that due to frustration and because he needed to destroy Elder in a way that wouldn't send him flying into pieces into the nearby S city. So serious punch basically vaporized most of his body.
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I'm a bit surprised at the amout by of people that are put off by Saitama coming in and saving the day against the higher tier disaster monsters. That is the entire point.
And just because other heroes couldn't take out a monster doesn't mean they can't grow in other ways.
I wonder if King would even get credit. Yes he was talking to the association right before the monster went down but there's 3 other's to confirm it wasn't him.
Web comic question.
! I know Saitama's rank starts to go up. But I can't recall whicch events boost him. And what his status is after. He gets B I think. But does he get into A?
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I don't see what was wrong with how they portrayed Bomb, Bang and Genos. They all showed that they could destroy elder centipede were it not due to his restorative ability. It works better moving forward that they say some heroes are better suited to fight certain situations than others. Otherwise it turns into my punch/beam is bigger than yours which is an idea that is completely embodied by Saitama. He will always be the bigger punch.
Genos way of surpassing Saitama will happen when he defeats King in the video game.
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Also we hadn't seen Saitama punch a big bad in awhile since Gouketsu was offscreen'd.
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I'm not frustrated about Saitama, since he is unique and his story could be told in a memorable way down the line.
What frustrates me is how OPM (this 134 page long chapter especially) treats other characters. Bang and especially Genos here had great moments, moments of development and glory, yet the author sh*ts on them and returns to Saitama saving the day by beating Elder Centipede. Why not have Bang or Genos defeat it after a really nice fight? Why make a joke out of Genos' awesome moment, where he pushed past his limits, by have him utterly destroyed once more? It's nonsense.
I dont have a problem with how Saitama saves the day (I'm actually interested in the real reasons) - I have a problem with how OFTEN he saves it, when instead other characters (Bang is #3 S-Class fgs) could get some actual time to shine.
It couldve been worse, Ones outline implied that Genos was going to be done after Elder chops him in 2, and Murata wanted Genos to look competent in defeat.
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I'm a bit surprised at the amout by of people that are put off by Saitama coming in and saving the day against the higher tier disaster monsters. That is the entire point.
What amount of people though ? Only 2 persons complained about it
On OroJackson the entire thread thinks Saitama is over-rated and Luffy/Goku is stronger wtfWebcomic question.
! I know Saitama's rank starts to go up. But I can't recall whicch events boost him. And what his status is after. He gets B I think. But does he get into A?
! He does, but only after this arc I think. Which means a lot of time for us.
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! Updates to Sonic vs. Gale Wind/Hellfire Flame . . Their fight was updated in volume 15 and Sonic’s speed relative to those 2 is significantly increased. They no longer speedblitz him as he’s standing there. The exchange was pretty back and forth and Sonic was able to keep up with them.
Murata updated web version too.
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Anyone else upset when protagonists win in a fight against the villain which makes every antagonist of completely no consequence?
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Anyone upset that the hero always wins? I mean, the villains work hard too. They work. So hard.
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Garou, is that you?
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What amount of people though ? Only 2 persons complained about it
On OroJackson the entire thread thinks Saitama is over-rated and Luffy/Goku is stronger wtf! He does, but only after this arc I think. Which means a lot of time for us.
Not just here. Other forums too.
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What amount of people though ? Only 2 persons complained about it
On OroJackson the entire thread thinks Saitama is over-rated and Luffy/Goku is stronger wtf! He does, but only after this arc I think. Which means a lot of time for us.
Luffy would splatter into rubber meat paste, sure, but Saitama has shown nothing to indicate he’s on Goku’s level. His best feat to date is a serious punch that couldn’t even vaporize Boros. The shockwaves of Goku’s clashes with Beerus at the beginning of Super were disintigrating planets light years away and nearly destroyed their entire universe. Goku is much, much stronger now than he was back then.
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Goku got scratched by a bullet and put competely out of commission by a little laser beam. Super actually has him less durable in some ways than when he was a little kid.
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I hate that the cast of dragon ball is randomly bulletproof. Even before ki.
At least saitama is overpowered beyond imagination, so he can also take the punishment, but I'd love if saitama just dodged, blocked or reacted, making the villains have the illusion that they could win if they just connected a solid hit, instead of straight up invulnerability.
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I hate that the cast of dragon ball is randomly bulletproof. Even before ki.
At least saitama is overpowered beyond imagination, so he can also take the punishment, but I'd love if saitama just dodged, blocked or reacted, making the villains have the illusion that they could win if they just connected a solid hit, instead of straight up invulnerability.
You mean like how Saitama always dodges Sonic's blade even when it cant really hurt him?
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Yes, he sometimes gets hit, but it does nothing, I'd rather if he never gets hit at all as it is not part of his core set of skills. Like All Might who is very strong but very not invulnerable.
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Will the anime finish this arc before murata
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It couldve been worse, Ones outline implied that Genos was going to be done after Elder chops him in 2, and Murata wanted Genos to look competent in defeat.
This.
People know that Murata is embellishing these fights in order to make Genos make competent, right? In the webcomic he gets destroyed way worse than this.
Edit: Actually a lot worse, half of the fights that he wins aren´t even in the webcomic.
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And Murata also gave Bomb nice feats and got to help Bang vs Elder, instead of just having Bang fighting Elder by himself.
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Murata has done a good job fleshing out the story I'd say. There's nothing he's added that I feel has made the story worse imo.