You didn't fight a totem Marowak in SuMo though
it was the uh
pheromone lizard
Pokemon Ultra S&M - Let's Minecraft Pikachu and Eevee Quest
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Given that the Marrowak, Mantis and vikavolt trials are the same, and that Lilly and Hao are giving exact dialogue from the previous version, and that all the areas are the same? It's the same game. The artist trial has been added and that's nice, but that was the last one in the game anyway.
It still looks almost entirely like anything new is end game stuff and that the first 40 hours are basically the same. Them adding a little bit of stuff doesn't make it a whole new game.
New way to surf looks cool at least.
It was a Sallazle Totem not a Marowak
The Pokémon on the trials are the same but not the trials
Look at the Sudowoodo one
Also does the new evil team is the same?
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They are not going to spoil anything important, main storyline speaking.
And though the trials at first glance look there's no change, that's not true. Grass, electric, and most notably ghost trials look different, and now we get the artist's trial on top.
It's set in an alternate universe. Visited areas remain unchanged for the most part, but people are ignoring the map of Alola shows now all the unexplored islands, it has been expanded further.
It's not the same game, no matter how much you insist.
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You didn't fight a totem Marowak in SuMo though
it was the uh
pheromone lizard@The:
It was a Sallazle Totem not a Marowak
You had the Marrowak identification dance thing for two rounds before the lizard showed up.
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You had the Marrowak identification dance thing for two rounds before the lizard showed up.
That was the trial, not the Totem
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But you never fought Marowak as the Totem pokemon, it was Salazzle
so they're making changes to existing trialsI'd also imagine they're changing the electric trial considering how literally impossible it was for deaf players due to being entirely audio based
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Also the Dragon guy seems to be a Captain now or Kahuna
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Funny. Just a few days ago people were complaining at the lack of new info for these games. Since then, 2 new trailers and a promo art.
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It really kills an argument for the story being the same when the person arguing clearly doesn't remember what even happens in sun and moon
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Hang on. Totem Marowak? That's basically what the anime did! Like, seriously, they had an arc where they basically faced all the trials of Akala in rapid succession… except there was no Salazzle. Instead they fought a Marowak in an episode clearly based off the Wela Volcano trial without actually being said trial. Was that… a very early reference to USUM?
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Hang on. Totem Marowak? That's basically what the anime did! Like, seriously, they had an arc where they basically faced all the trials of Akala in rapid succession… except there was no Salazzle. Instead they fought a Marowak in an episode clearly based off the Wela Volcano trial without actually being said trial. Was that… a very early reference to USUM?
It certainly wouldn't be the first time. Remember Ash's Greninja?
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That was the trial, not the Totem
Yes, I am lumping the overall experience together.
That area had marrowaks and lizards. The area STILL has marrowaks and lizards. Rather than say, Slugmas and Tortenators. Or a move away from fire types entirely. I'd be surprised if they didn't shuffle the bosses a little, the gyms usually did. And they're advertising 400 mons instead of the ~300 the previous version had, so there'll be a little more variety. But the areas and monsters being used look largely the same, and thefew screenshots of plot we have seen look largely the same, and the game is only a month out.
This is the sort of trailer we typically would have gotten six months ago as the one of the first reveals of new content, not one of the last.
It's the same usual small changes made for mid versions, but nothing big. OR and AS added a part at the end with Rayquaza and rockets and that was cool. But it wasn't by itself a whole cloth new experience. Platinum added a distortion world and a battle frontier, but that by itself wasn't a full blown different game. It also had The midquels and remakes all have also shuffled around the dexes some and done minor changes but usually
1-they're more than 1 year removed from the previous version of the game
2-they showcase a TON of things to get excited about. Dozens and dozens of different new things to make what is basically the same game fresh.And so far S&M hasn't shown much of significance. Yes, there's obviously a different final boss now so the plot is going to shift a little bit, but… if the islands are going to be the same, the gym themes are going to be the same, the secondary characters are going to be the same? Then one year later is too soon for a repeat.
The surfing minigame is the first interesting thing they've shown... and it's a minigame.
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Plot does look somewhat different, you just clearly don't even remember the original. Or how to spell Marowak or Turtonator or almost any name.
Like I said, we get you're not invested, but you're killing your own argument with how little you even remember or played of this gen.
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Acerola's trial goes haywire, there's a mecha Vikavolt, grass trial is different, Mina has a bigger role, Kahili has a bigger role, Ryuki, the misteryous trainer who would randomly show up to challenge you for the title of champion in Sun and Moon gets to play a more prominent role, expanded map, more areas to travel to, Lillie is heavily implied to become a trainer, Necrozma finally gets to show off, brand new pokemon, and most important, an implied brand new plot that introduces a new set of villains.
But yeah, it's the same game. I don't know if you're either being sarcastic or conveniently ignoring what was shown in the trailers.
Whatever, here's a HQ pic of the promo art.
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Acerola's trial goes haywire, there's a mecha Vikavolt, grass trial is different, Mina has a bigger role, Kahili has a bigger role, Ryuki, the misteryous trainer who would randomly show up to challenge you for the title of champion in Sun and Moon gets to play a more prominent role, expanded map, more areas to travel to, Lillie is heavily implied to become a trainer, Necrozma finally gets to show off, brand new pokemon, and most important, an implied brand new plot that introduces a new set of villains.
The midquels ALWAYS change little things. I've acknowledged that. Yes, obviously the details are going to be different. I'm not talking about the minutia.
You don't generally play the pokemon games for the story, those are generally terrible and aimed at five year olds and have been broadly been repeated for 20 years and dozens of games. Swapping out the villains isn't a big deal, the games always have generic evil organizations you fight the endless toadies of. They could have continued being Rockets for the last 20 years and it wouldn't make a whole heck of a lot of difference. It could still be Jessie, James Roket Grunt # 3 and Giovanni every time and the overall game really wouldn't be much affected.
But the previous game bored me. And the few teasers they've had for this one, haven't excited me at all. And it's the first time in a decade that's been the case, where I haven't been ready to instant buy on day one.
The last game made things fresh with the trials and different kind of boss battles, and doing away with HM slaves, and aloan forms, and enemies summoning help, and lots of good stuff and made a lot of forward progress and it did so many things right for making it fresh… but the overall game experience was lesser. When the handholding was so severe, and the roster of new monsters so limited (and many of them hidden in obscure corners or in areas that have to be revisted after a boss fight)... When EIGHTEEN of the game's monsters were legends and ultra beasts were thus held until end game content (and now it's twenty!) , leaving the practical in-game count of new monsters to be about 60? When the most exciting thing was 20 new variants of old monsters?
When the overall experience was so lacking in... something... that for the first time it was a chore to get through, despite all the good new stuff, it has to offer something else to make it interesting.
What that is, is hard to quantify, but the new trailers, the things they have revealed, haven't done that. They haven't gotten me excited. They haven't made me go "okay, maybe the problems of the previous game won't be there." That's a hard thing to quantify and explain, but adding in more Z moves (which I pretty much never used anyway) is not a selling point for me.
I don't know how else to explain it, but that's the best I can. And it's the last I'll say on the matter.
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I mean, it's one thing to say "Alola sucks so I don't want to play another game there unless they completely revamp it in every way possible including story, mechanics and new monsters." It's cool if you think that. But that wasn't really your argument this whole time. You were saying compared to all the other 3rd versions and whatnot, this one just doesn't seem to be stacking up in terms of content and changes.
I mean as I've said before I agree that this almost-blackout of content announcements concerns me. But the latest info that just dropped definitely makes me feel better about it.
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I think this looks more or less similar to previous third versions, just more egregious due to being two more versions without being a real continuation like BW2 was
I really hope they've got new Alolan forms that they've been keeping super under wraps, since they're my favorite addition to the series in a while
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Yeah, Alolan variants do not mess the original dex order, so you can add as many as you wish. They also added over 100 more pokemon to the region, so I wonder if some of these will be getting different forms.
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But that wasn't really your argument this whole time. You were saying compared to all the other 3rd versions and whatnot, this one just doesn't seem to be stacking up in terms of content and changes.
I actually hadn't formed that conclusion until after we started this discussion.
And as it turns out, thinking about it in hindsight, I didn't actually care for the previous game much and maybe that's a factor in nothing they've shown exciting me.
On top of the previews not showing much compared what they've done in previous mid gen games.
Had really assumed something like more aloan forms or megas would be a foregone conclusion.
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It says something that I got really excited for exploring the massive ocean on Mantine and immediately thought "THIS IS WHAT SUN AND MOON WAS MISSING!" before coming to the painful realization that no, we aren't actually going to get to explore 90% of the world.
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I'm glad I sprang for a New 3DS when I did, because Mantine Surfing does not look like something that would run all that well on the plain ones. The Battle Royal and the Battle Tree's Multi-Battle features were practically unplayable before, so hopefully I'll be able to get more out of those modes this time around.
Why so serious Hau? Did the malasada shop shut down? Did Gladion tell him to buzz off? Did he realize that he's forever in the friendzone? Thank goodness he was shown to have twice as many Pokemon in the Paniola Town battle than he did in OG Sun/Moon. The rest of the game better keep that up.
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It says something that I got really excited for exploring the massive ocean on Mantine and immediately thought "THIS IS WHAT SUN AND MOON WAS MISSING!" before coming to the painful realization that no, we aren't actually going to get to explore 90% of the world.
Sorry pal, Pokemon isn't Open World based.
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Can't wait for open world Punch-out
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Sorry pal, Pokemon isn't Open World based.
Hoenn had a series of huge open areas that you could explore. Can gen 7 really not do what gen 6 could?
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There's so much possibility for Pokemon open world, but if BotW is the benchmark my fear is them fucking up and making something that fails to deliver what Pokemon is supposed to deliver.
Let Monolith Soft do it. I want to walk in a cave and lose my shit upon finding a giant-ass Groudon or something.
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This might be the first Pokemon game I take a pass on. I just can't find anything worth dropping the money on.
A shame, but than again this pokemon game isn't clearly made for someone like me.
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Ooooo. BotW style Pokemon game. Open world, very pretty, you get about 200 different potion variants and only 30 or so different Pokemon types.
Oh and your Pokemon spontaneously combust after they attack and/or are hit a set number of times.
Perfect 5/7, would recommend DDoSing sites giving unfavourable reviews.Oh and you can't play as a girl anymore.
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Welp, I give up. I can't write anything funnier than that post. Time to instead focus on gold and silver instead I guess XD
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I'm actually doing a Nuzlocke of Gold right now.
Lot eh….lot of deaths ;_;
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Hahaha :P
Are you both playing regular gold/silver or heart/soul? I actually had a lot of fun with my last Nuzlocke of heart gold (even though I didn't end up finishing it). Got into one hell of a slug match with Whitney. 2v2, both my Pokemon were male and slower than her Miltank. Stomp(flinch)+attract+milk drink is a brutal combo if you've got shit team composition >.<
What rules do you use for your Nuzlockes btw Meta (and you too Noqanky if you're also doing a Nuzlocke)?
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If you're really lucky, you'll get a Dunsparce on your first time entering the Dark Cave.
Mine curbstomped Whitney's entire team. -
Incidentally, I'm still going strong in my Moon nuzlocke. Just beat Nanu and, while I've had some some close calls, STILL no deaths.
I don't know. I don't think I'm being overly cautious.
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Hahaha :P
Are you both playing regular gold/silver or heart/soul? I actually had a lot of fun with my last Nuzlocke of heart gold (even though I didn't end up finishing it). Got into one hell of a slug match with Whitney. 2v2, both my Pokemon were male and slower than her Miltank. Stomp(flinch)+attract+milk drink is a brutal combo if you've got shit team composition >.<
What rules do you use for your Nuzlockes btw Meta (and you too Noqanky if you're also doing a Nuzlocke)?
Regular Gold and Silver just came out on virtual console, and unlike in the originals, you can transfer your team over to the modern games.
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What rules do you use for your Nuzlockes btw Meta (and you too Noqanky if you're also doing a Nuzlocke)?
Well I'm playing vanilla Gold, off the 3DS virtual console.
I stick to the basic ruleset:
-pokemon fainted = dead, so they must be released
-only one capture allowed per route (pokemon given to you like Togepi and Eevee I considered free)
-all mons must be nicknamed :)I also used the side change that I don't have to catch a repeat mon on the route, so first unique one, if possible.
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Does anyone have a legit Marshadow that can lend me to clone?
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Still don't know if I will get Ultra Sun/Moon but I do wonder how those new ultra beasts will stack against the others since most of them are pretty good.
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I'm actually doing a Nuzlocke of Gold right now.
Lot eh….lot of deaths ;_;
I'm also doing a Nuzlocke of Gold. Five badges, five deaths so far. But that's beside the point, the main thing I must point out about this run is…
SWEET MERCIFUL LV100 SHINY ARCEUS THIS GAME IS DUMB. Seriously GameFreak, would it have killed you to give a few Pokémon some decent moves before lv90? Make evolutionary stones more accessible? Give me an Eevee that hasn't already missed out on a lot of its evolutions' potential moves because it's too high-leveled by the time you get it? Not to mention several of the new Pokémon being post-game exclusive, the level curve being utter garbage, the phone system being all sorts of stupid… Honestly, playing this after HGSS which was an improvement in almost every possible respect (except the level curve. That was still pretty unbearable), I'm finding this game to be a very frustrating experience. I would very much like to add an Umbreon to my team… But it seems like the only way to do so without missing out on the one last remaining Dark move it will ever learn is for me to just spend several hours running back and forth to increase its friendship. Because it only learns two Dark moves ever, the last it learns is at lv36, it's now at lv28 and is nowhere near loving me enough to evolve yet.…So let it just be said that I absolutely disagree with those who claim Gen 2 was the high point of the franchise and that everything since then has been inferior. This game has not aged well. As soon as I've cleared the story on this file, chances are this game will only ever be used to get Hidden Ability Pokémon and to exploit the game's breeding mechanics to get 1/64 shiny odds.
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…So let it just be said that I absolutely disagree with those who claim Gen 2 was the high point of the franchise and that everything since then has been inferior. This game has not aged well.
In terms of scope and post game, pure expansion of the roster size, and giving you a whole new map when you thought you were done, gold/silver is still the high water mark for the franchise, yes. It's still the only game to give 16 gyms and two sets of elite 4.
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Seriously GameFreak, would it have killed you to give a few Pokémon some decent moves before lv90?
Ah yes. My Hoppip/Skiploom was a great staller/annoyer with its Poisonpowder, Synthesis, and Leech Seed, but holy crap does it lack grass stab moves. Mega Drain as a Jumpfluff doesn't come until 44, around the time I would find Solarbeam near the E4.
Sadly it's gone now. Never had a Jumpfluff before.
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Hahaha :P
Are you both playing regular gold/silver or heart/soul? I actually had a lot of fun with my last Nuzlocke of heart gold (even though I didn't end up finishing it). Got into one hell of a slug match with Whitney. 2v2, both my Pokemon were male and slower than her Miltank. Stomp(flinch)+attract+milk drink is a brutal combo if you've got shit team composition >.<
What rules do you use for your Nuzlockes btw Meta (and you too Noqanky if you're also doing a Nuzlocke)?
Gold and Silver just came out on virtual console, so the classic one. Admittedly, I haven't even touched it due to still being in the middle of a Pokemon White run where I have still to beat the Elite Four, but I figured it was more in topic to mention Gold and Silver.
Does anyone have a legit Marshadow that can lend me to clone?
I don't think legit marshadow is available yet, unless it came out in japan already? I know that in the states we have to wait until october or something to get it from Gamestop. The ones I've seen other people get in wonder trade seem most definitely not legit.
I'm also doing a Nuzlocke of Gold. Five badges, five deaths so far. But that's beside the point, the main thing I must point out about this run is…
SWEET MERCIFUL LV100 SHINY ARCEUS THIS GAME IS DUMB. Seriously GameFreak, would it have killed you to give a few Pokémon some decent moves before lv90? Make evolutionary stones more accessible? Give me an Eevee that hasn't already missed out on a lot of its evolutions' potential moves because it's too high-leveled by the time you get it? Not to mention several of the new Pokémon being post-game exclusive, the level curve being utter garbage, the phone system being all sorts of stupid… Honestly, playing this after HGSS which was an improvement in almost every possible respect (except the level curve. That was still pretty unbearable), I'm finding this game to be a very frustrating experience. I would very much like to add an Umbreon to my team… But it seems like the only way to do so without missing out on the one last remaining Dark move it will ever learn is for me to just spend several hours running back and forth to increase its friendship. Because it only learns two Dark moves ever, the last it learns is at lv36, it's now at lv28 and is nowhere near loving me enough to evolve yet.…So let it just be said that I absolutely disagree with those who claim Gen 2 was the high point of the franchise and that everything since then has been inferior. This game has not aged well. As soon as I've cleared the story on this file, chances are this game will only ever be used to get Hidden Ability Pokémon and to exploit the game's breeding mechanics to get 1/64 shiny odds.
This is what I've been saying for a while. Gold and Silver are great nostalgia points and have really nice moments like opening up all of Kanto. But the game is very badly balanced. Early game mons are very limited as well with some in particular (coughLedybacough) being extremely weak and unusable, there's multiple instances in HGSS where I had to just stop and grind to even have a chance (and that was in the improved remake), the new types were hardly represented and limited in scope, and the grindfest of going from the level 50s/60s or so mons you use for endgame to get them competitive against Red's Level 80 or so pikachu is absurd. Particularly since at most I remember the latest area in the game still having level 40 mons.
I do wonder how accurately I remember all these quirks, but seeing your posts definitely reassures me that GS are just good nostalgia and easily outclassed by later entries.
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Yeah I think it is out in Japan, I still don't know how it will be here they announced how it will be distributed in other European countries, but not here yet, I'm sure I'll get one to clone next week anyway(if I don't get a code).
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Does anyone have a legit Marshadow that can lend me to clone?
Marshadow will be coming alongside the new movie.
This is what I've been saying for a while. Gold and Silver are great nostalgia points and have really nice moments like opening up all of Kanto. But the game is very badly balanced. Early game mons are very limited as well with some in particular (coughLedybacough) being extremely weak and unusable, there's multiple instances in HGSS where I had to just stop and grind to even have a chance (and that was in the improved remake), the new types were hardly represented and limited in scope, and the grindfest of going from the level 50s/60s or so mons you use for endgame to get them competitive against Red's Level 80 or so pikachu is absurd. Particularly since at most I remember the latest area in the game still having level 40 mons.
I do wonder how accurately I remember all these quirks, but seeing your posts definitely reassures me that GS are just good nostalgia and easily outclassed by later entries.
I view Gold and Silver the same way I view Dragon Quest 2: mainly as a technical marvel and a high quality GBC game that improved on its predecessor in many ways. Dragon Quest 2 also expanded the world but forgot to fill it with stuff, completely gave up when it came to balance issues, and is generally a much less tight experience than Dragon Quest 1.
It's also badly outclassed by every single later game in the Dragon Quest series, just like how Gold and Silver pale in comparison to most other Pokemon games. -
Fun to see others doing a Nuzklocke with the VC release. I'm doing it on Silver, though because of work I've only really been able to get into it today.
Does anybody else do the trainer ID last number thing for picking the Starter? I usually do and luckily had my last digit as 0, so I had free pick and chose my favorite Johto starter, Cyndaquil. I never knew exactly what animal Cyndiquill was based off of, so I looked it up and found that it's based on the Echidna. Which led to me discovering this from wikipedia;
It is a challenge to study the echidna in their natural habitat and they show no interest in mating while in captivity. Therefore, no one has ever seen an echidna ejaculate
Maybe this is why Professor Elm insists nobody has ever seen a Pokemon Egg being produced before.
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Maybe this is why Professor Elm insists nobody has ever seen a Pokemon Egg being produced before.
Technically there's no evidence that Pokemon actually breed, and the developers have stated that the "eggs" are really more like cradles for baby Pokemon.
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Pokemon aren't completelly biological beings, there's the whole growing up in burst of light and energy, and the fact that they can be turned into energy for ease of transportation, and how such diverse things can breed with eachother.
I'm more inclined to the "adult" explanation, of they aren't telling the 10 years old that their pets are having sex like bunnies for eugenics purposes.
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And I say Pokemon don't really evolve. It's just a theory.
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Think we'll be getting a PD several weeks before the release? Perhaps earlier. Though if they wanted to cover more stuff, any day would be ok.
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Ahh, I had no idea they hadn't released Gold & Silver on the 3ds e-shop until just now. To be honest I'd stopped paying attention to Nintendo's various e-offerings a while ago and I guess I just kinda hoped they'd streamlined that shit better while I wasn't looking.
Regarding Gold and Silver being the 'greatest generation' of the Pokemon world that's an…interesting position to hold. I mean, I'd be interested in reading someone's well detailed and well thought out attempt to argue the point but...
I'll always have fond memories of that gen though. I loved the music from the first two gens (although RSE has my favourite of all the soundtracks) and Johto with its proto-Japanese culture. Insufferably smug as he was I still prefer the antagonistic rivalry of Silver over the friends first approach you get from Gen III onwards (although I'll always prefer Blue to any of his successors). And, in hindsight, I love that gen II came at a time before the insufferable, "evil team stupid name is on the hunt for a legendary to power their mustache twirling shenanigans", plot hooks became standard. But those are the sorts of fuzzy, nostalgia friendly aspects that rise out of the mess of a much longer and complicated experience with a game and stay with you. They're probably not the sorts of things you should be basing any serious evaluation around =P
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Gen III for best gen tho, don't at me :ninja: