How many chapters was Dressrosa? I know it ran for 2 years and a half, but not the specific amount of chapters.
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How many chapters was Dressrosa? I know it ran for 2 years and a half, but not the specific amount of chapters.
102 chapters (700-801)
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102 chapters (700-801)
Oh, thank you. That was actually shorter than expected, maybe I should try rereading the arc one of these days. Reading it weekly might be why it felt dragged on.
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Of course the next arc is always going to be "the most amazing arc ever since Marineford Summit War arc"
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Editor seems to love to overhype shit to sell their product eh
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Of course the next arc is always going to be "the most amazing arc ever since Marineford Summit War arc"
I don't remember any statements on this level about the other arcs. The most I remember is "[current arc] will get more exciting!"
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Man, I can't not imagine Wano being anything but Dressrosa 2.0, given how hyped it's been and the number of subplots that're going to be involved. Off the top of my head there should be:
- The fight against Kaido himself, obviously. And who knows how many chapters, participants, and power ups that's going to take.
- Involvement of at least four Supernovas (Law, Kid, Drake, and Apoo)
- The Minks' involvement (Nekomamushi's search for Marco, Inuarashi's arrival, identity of the traitor, history with the Kozuki family)
- More in-depth history of the Kozuki family and the Poneglyphs
- Speaking of Marco, didn't Weevil say he was going to hunt down Marco next? Maybe he'll be there too.
- Possible participation of the Grand Fleet?
- More in-depth SMILE stuff?
- Zoro of course is going to get the lion's share of the limelight I bet.
- Sword lore.
- The remaining Calamities and other Beast Pirate big shots. No way Jack's not going to be back.
- Oden's desire to open the country to the world (and also, who else doesn't think he's actually dead?)
And that's not even touching all of the Wano inhabitants and fighters that are going to be introduced. There's no way this arc isn't going to be a behemoth with how it's been built up so far, tentacles and all.
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Man, I can't not imagine Wano being anything but Dressrosa 2.0, given how hyped it's been and the number of subplots that're going to be involved. Off the top of my head there should be:
- The fight against Kaido himself, obviously. And who knows how many chapters, participants, and power ups that's going to take.
- Involvement of at least four Supernovas (Law, Kid, Drake, and Apoo)
- The Minks' involvement (Nekomamushi's search for Marco, Inuarashi's arrival, identity of the traitor, history with the Kozuki family)
- More in-depth history of the Kozuki family and the Poneglyphs
- Speaking of Marco, didn't Weevil say he was going to hunt down Marco next? Maybe he'll be there too.
- Possible participation of the Grand Fleet?
- More in-depth SMILE stuff?
- Zoro of course is going to get the lion's share of the limelight I bet.
- Sword lore.
- The remaining Calamities and other Beast Pirate big shots. No way Jack's not going to be back.
- Oden's desire to open the country to the world (and also, who else doesn't think he's actually dead?)
And that's not even touching all of the Wano inhabitants and fighters that are going to be introduced. There's no way this arc isn't going to be a behemoth with how it's been built up so far, tentacles and all.
Don't forget Gekko, I imagine we will get more from him.
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I think Wano has far more hype. We learned Dressrosa's name in Punk Hazard, the fight against Doffy was the only long awaited part of this arc. The rest was mostly surprises.
Wano on the other hand had Ryuma who even has his story in Monster. Ace went there and made the hat for Little Oars Junior. I think it was confirmed that Roger and Whitebeard met there when discussing about the One Piece. You also have Hawkins and Caribou involved. And we will definitely get some Fujitora/Sabo/Burgess surprise characters too.
Yeah this is gonna be a rather long arc. But I don't mind it. I loved Dressrosa. Actually my main complain about it is that some minor fights were too short. -
Oh yeah, anyone who believes Wano won't be as long as, or longer than, Dressrosa is kidding themselves.
It doesn't bother me as long as it's exciting and the climax makes all the build up worth it.
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Oda said he wants to draw sea battles, Oda's editor said Wano will be the most amazing arc since Marineford, which was a war arc, and then there's Greg's theory of Wano being a 4 islands nation.
Man, I'm excited. This should be a war where the allied forces split up to go against a war in 4 different islands.
Straw Hats and Hearts pirates on one island, and then the Minks with Whitebeard's remnants led by Marco on another island, rebelling samurais and ninjas on another island, and maybe Moria and his zombies on another island too.
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Wake me up in 5 years during the Wano post-climax saga so I can enjoy Elbaf.
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Man, I can't not imagine Wano being anything but Dressrosa 2.0, given how hyped it's been and the number of subplots that're going to be involved. Off the top of my head there should be:
- The fight against Kaido himself, obviously. And who knows how many chapters, participants, and power ups that's going to take.
- Involvement of at least four Supernovas (Law, Kid, Drake, and Apoo)
- The Minks' involvement (Nekomamushi's search for Marco, Inuarashi's arrival, identity of the traitor, history with the Kozuki family)
- More in-depth history of the Kozuki family and the Poneglyphs
- Speaking of Marco, didn't Weevil say he was going to hunt down Marco next? Maybe he'll be there too.
- Possible participation of the Grand Fleet?
- More in-depth SMILE stuff?
- Zoro of course is going to get the lion's share of the limelight I bet.
- Sword lore.
- The remaining Calamities and other Beast Pirate big shots. No way Jack's not going to be back.
- Oden's desire to open the country to the world (and also, who else doesn't think he's actually dead?)
And that's not even touching all of the Wano inhabitants and fighters that are going to be introduced. There's no way this arc isn't going to be a behemoth with how it's been built up so far, tentacles and all.
Not to mention theres a hugh chance of an 11th crewmate
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Not to mention theres a hugh chance of an 11th crewmate
I would like a kunoichi with a mist logia, but then there would be three Japanese-themed members in the crew(The katana-using swordsman Zoro, the karateka Jinbe, and then a ninja). Would really like one last member, though.
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oda should tell his editor to shut up
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I think Wano has far more hype. We learned Dressrosa's name in Punk Hazard, the fight against Doffy was the only long awaited part of this arc. The rest was mostly surprises.
Wano on the other hand had Ryuma who even has his story in Monster. Ace went there and made the hat for Little Oars Junior. I think it was confirmed that Roger and Whitebeard met there when discussing about the One Piece. You also have Hawkins and Caribou involved. And we will definitely get some Fujitora/Sabo/Burgess surprise characters too.
Yeah this is gonna be a rather long arc. But I don't mind it. I loved Dressrosa. Actually my main complain about it is that some minor fights were too short.Those are just mentions of Wa No, not like they will play a significant part in the arc itself, so there is no need to be hyped about that. It´s more like people are hyped about Kaidou after his reveal of 795, Samurai since they simply look cooler than a crew of quirky looking food fruit using character (not my opinion), and the fact that the "cool" Supernova are going to be involved.
Dressrosa´s length in itself was not the problem. The fact that Oda put everything in one huge arc instead of doing it like Alabasta style with mini-arcs before the climax arc was really.
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Man, I can't not imagine Wano being anything but Dressrosa 2.0, given how hyped it's been and the number of subplots that're going to be involved. Off the top of my head there should be:
- The fight against Kaido himself, obviously. And who knows how many chapters, participants, and power ups that's going to take.
- Involvement of at least four Supernovas (Law, Kid, Drake, and Apoo)
- The Minks' involvement (Nekomamushi's search for Marco, Inuarashi's arrival, identity of the traitor, history with the Kozuki family)
- More in-depth history of the Kozuki family and the Poneglyphs
- Speaking of Marco, didn't Weevil say he was going to hunt down Marco next? Maybe he'll be there too.
- Possible participation of the Grand Fleet?
- More in-depth SMILE stuff?
- Zoro of course is going to get the lion's share of the limelight I bet.
- Sword lore.
- The remaining Calamities and other Beast Pirate big shots. No way Jack's not going to be back.
- Oden's desire to open the country to the world (and also, who else doesn't think he's actually dead?)
And that's not even touching all of the Wano inhabitants and fighters that are going to be introduced. There's no way this arc isn't going to be a behemoth with how it's been built up so far, tentacles and all.
Dressrosa didn't simply suffer from its length, in my honest opinion the reasons Dressrosa is disliked are totally different.
While Wano will most likely have even more characters than Dressrosa, the characters in Wano need way less build up inside the arc itself. As we all can remember, back when the manga was still at Dressrosa people were complaining about how all the colosseum participants are just canon fodder except for maybe Burgess and Bellamy, and whenever they were in the limelight people said the chapter was unnecessary as they thought these were one-off characters, little they knew that Oda was building them up in Dressrosa to give them a payoff later on as the Strawhat fleet. Wano on the other hand will most likely not have newly introduced characters other than the rest of the beast pirates and the island's inhabitants, which means every plot thread or fight that doesn't include a Strawhat will still be taken seriously as people are eagerly waiting for the shining moments for the already established characters like Catviper, Marco, Kid, and many more, and if somebody thinks these characters still need more exploring before a payoff, I would like to remind them how Capone didn't have any kind of flashback during the arc except for the short backstory told by Jinbe and people are already accepting him as a big player in the arc. Speaking of the beast pirates, I firmly believe the calamities will be more intimidating design and character wise than the top executives of the Donquixote family, and if there's doubt regarding this point let's just remember how the sweet commanders are 10 times more badass looking even though the Big Mom pirates are supposed to be wacky. While the Kozuki family will probably be a parallel to the Riku family, Oden's past is much more anticipated as it involves Roger and Whitebeard themselves, how can this be despised by the fandom I don't know as I'm more willing to think people are going to like it even more than the Dressrosa's backstory even though people have definitely liked Kyros's flashback.The things that caused the Dressrosa fatigue were most likely two, the constant teasing of Law's death in one chapter just to reveal he's alive in the next one, and the final countdown for Luffy's gear fourth which took too many chapters in the eyes of the fandom. And I personally think there's one more problem which people missed, and that is the misplaced flashback, when Law's flashback ended some people were somehow expecting the arc to end soon but then suddenly brought back to the reality of waiting through all the fights including one for the Tontatta Leo no less and another for a stubborn Bellamy that is just holding them back from seeing the long awaited battle. Some individuals may bring up the constant running between the palace at the plateu to the new location at the flower field, and maybe how Usopp was running in circles, while I don't think these short segments broke that arc, they might be one of the things that increased the fuel for the hatred for it in general.
I want to believe that Oda won't fall into these totally avoidable mistakes again, and hopefully that arc will meet the fans' expectations.I don't think this is a big statement in any way, just look at the arcs after the timeskip so far and the fandom's opinion about them.
Fishman Island < Punk Hazard < Dressrosa < Zou < Totto Land
So it's not far fetched for Wano to be the best arc since the timeskip, as it only needs to be better than Totto Land. -
Those are just mentions of Wa No, not like they will play a significant part in the arc itself, so there is no need to be hyped about that. It´s more like people are hyped about Kaidou after his reveal of 795, Samurai since they simply look cooler than a crew of quirky looking food fruit using character (not my opinion), and the fact that the "cool" Supernova are going to be involved.
The fact that Wano was mentioned several times since Thriller Bark and the story building up its lore absolutely adds to the hype. It shows how important this arc will be and that Oda already had ideas for it many years ago. And Oda himself mentioned in a SBS from 2012 that he has been "dying to draw this story for ages". People are also excited for Zoro's character to shine, strawhats finally reuniting and taking down an emperor, more information about poneglyphs and the void century etc.
There are many factors why people anticipate this arc so much, not just the ones you mentioned.
Never said this is not the case. Just said those specific events have no bearing on the arc, hence they do not create a hype.
Gotta understand a post before quoting it.Yep, nobody claimed that´s not the case either…
And then you went on telling him/her why people are hyped about the arc.
Also please keep these smug responses for yourself. -
The fact that Wano was mentioned several times since Thriller Bark and the story building up its lore absolutely adds to the hype. It shows how important this arc will be and that Oda already had ideas for it many years ago. And Oda himself mentioned in a SBS from 2012 that he has been "dying to draw this story for ages". People are also excited for Zoro's character to shine, strawhats reuniting to take down an emperor etc.
There are many factors why people anticipate this arc so much, not just the ones you mentioned.
Never said this is not the case. Just said those specific events have no bearing on the arc, hence they do not create a hype.
Gotta understand a post before quoting it.Yep, nobody claimed that´s not the case either…
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Dressrosa's main problem is neither its length nor the ammount of characters per se.
It's the ammount of characters together with that Oda didn't really know what to do with them. A lot of characters suffer heavily from this like especially Doflamingo himself. Instead of someone who is a master manipulator and knows how to lead his huge business empire, he's just some fool who basically is completely overwhelmed by anything that happens in the second half. And his big empire had a walking, talking sugary red self-destruct button because Oda seriously found no better way to make his empire crumble than that…?!
Dressrosa (unlike Wano!!!) completely lacked a compelling antagonistic force who actually could deal with all these characters. Hell, at the very end Fuji himself didn't know what to do anymore and showed up at the plateau to say that basically right back then he was busy with nothing.
Therefore instead slowly seeing Doflamingo's fall from grace, he basically already was fallen around the halfway mark. (Dryish's rant posts around chapter 840 ~ 845 perfectly describe my main issue with Dressrosa.) Dressrosa's main problem was that for the most of its latter part it was completely devoid of any tension - resulting mostly from Oda not knowing what to do with his ensemble and especially Doflamingo during that arc.
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Ehh… to me Doflamingo as a villain was probably the one saving grace of Dressrosa. One can imagine how much more terrible it could be if Joker was actually just some previously unseen dude.
I think the fact Oda decided to cash the check in on the Doflamingo hype was pretty great.
The main problem to me was a blend of too many subplots, too many unsalvagable minor characters, too many fake outs on battle matchups and unneccessary postponings on the final confrontation. Dressrosa didn't have enough going for it on its own to be as grand as it is. Alabasta did have that and felt like a much more bombastic narrative in a shorter timeframe.
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I had no problem with minor characters and the other subplots not related to Rebecca.
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Musashi hits the nail on the head that Dressrosa suffered from a lot of things being introduced too suddenly. It's a strange arc in that it has all the ingredients for a major climax, and kind of was with Law's story, but ended up reverting back to a stepping stone for Wano. What were we introduced to in Dressrosa?
- Every single member of the initial Grand Fleet
- Sabo and our first real look into Revolutionary activities
- First post-timeskip Marine admiral and his new objectives
- A new race
- A big political plot revolving around Doflamingo being a despot in addition to him being an Underworld kingpin
And then there's the stuff we learned about in the previous arc that carried its way there, like Law's backstory, Doflamingo's SMILE trade, and Bellamy who was our first link to Doflamingo's crew in the series. Law's backstory was handled well, but the latter two? Not so much. Some established things were too overshadowed, and even some new things were too, like the dwarves. So many things came together in such a short interval that they weren't all given the weight they needed.
Wano, though? Crossword's got a handy list of things that have popped up that are definitely going to be connected to Wano in some way. We've experienced these across the past 220 chapters since the start of Punk Hazard, and there are some things even before Punk Hazard that look to be relevant. Now, I could be extremely wrong here and Oda may actually end up introducing a ton of new elements into the arc (plsgodno), but this is truly the climax. Things are coming to a head after several arcs of buildup, rather than all debuting in one arc. Now, there could be a chance Oda won't know how to handle this many characters in plotlines in this capacity either, but I have faith in him, because he's impressed me far more often than he's let me down. With so many characters thrown against Doflamingo at once with not too much buildup, emotions over the final battle became rather mixed. But we know the players for Wano, and the paths that they've taken to get here, and I personally am quite excited to see where these paths end up taking them (even Caribou)
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Those are just mentions of Wa No, not like they will play a significant part in the arc itself, so there is no need to be hyped about that. It´s more like people are hyped about Kaidou after his reveal of 795, Samurai since they simply look cooler than a crew of quirky looking food fruit using character (not my opinion), and the fact that the "cool" Supernova are going to be involved.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Yeah, we're pretty excited for things like Kaido and the Supernovas because they look cool and we know they're going to play a big part in the arc. But you'd be remiss to assume that Oda just mentions Wano for the hell of it. Ryuma is playing a part because Zoro currently has Shusui and Kin'emon has directly challenged him for it, there's a pretty big chance Little Oars Jr. is connected to Kaido in some way, plus we know Drake's actions will go back to Kaido in some way since he's currently working for the beast, and given the plotline with Oden, WB, and Roger the things that'll happen here are going to be very important to the world at large.
It's like when Noland wrote about going to the country of dwarves and how that affected the Straw Hats when they got to Green Bit. Oda loves to add little hints and references to future locations that have payoff when we get there, and given the amount of times he's referenced Wano we've got quite a big payoff ahead of ourselves.
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Musashi hits the nail on the head that Dressrosa suffered from a lot of things being introduced too suddenly. It's a strange arc in that it has all the ingredients for a major climax, and kind of was with Law's story, but ended up reverting back to a stepping stone for Wano. What were we introduced to in Dressrosa?
- Every single member of the initial Grand Fleet
- Sabo and our first real look into Revolutionary activities
- First post-timeskip Marine admiral and his new objectives
- A new race
- A big political plot revolving around Doflamingo being a despot in addition to him being an Underworld kingpin
And then there's the stuff we learned about in the previous arc that carried its way there, like Law's backstory, Doflamingo's SMILE trade, and Bellamy who was our first link to Doflamingo's crew in the series. Law's backstory was handled well, but the latter two? Not so much. Some established things were too overshadowed, and even some new things were too, like the dwarves. So many things came together in such a short interval that they weren't all given the weight they needed.
Wano, though? Crossword's got a handy list of things that have popped up that are definitely going to be connected to Wano in some way. We've experienced these across the past 220 chapters since the start of Punk Hazard, and there are some things even before Punk Hazard that look to be relevant. Now, I could be extremely wrong here and Oda may actually end up introducing a ton of new elements into the arc (plsgodno), but this is truly the climax. Things are coming to a head after several arcs of buildup, rather than all debuting in one arc. Now, there could be a chance Oda won't know how to handle this many characters in plotlines in this capacity either, but I have faith in him, because he's impressed me far more often than he's let me down. With so many characters thrown against Doflamingo at once with not too much buildup, emotions over the final battle became rather mixed. But we know the players for Wano, and the paths that they've taken to get here, and I personally am quite excited to see where these paths end up taking them (even Caribou)
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I'm not sure what you're saying here. Yeah, we're pretty excited for things like Kaido and the Supernovas because they look cool and we know they're going to play a big part in the arc. But you'd be remiss to assume that Oda just mentions Wano for the hell of it. Ryuma is playing a part because Zoro currently has Shusui and Kin'emon has directly challenged him for it, there's a pretty big chance Little Oars Jr. is connected to Kaido in some way, plus we know Drake's actions will go back to Kaido in some way since he's currently working for the beast, and given the plotline with Oden, WB, and Roger the things that'll happen here are going to be very important to the world at large.
It's like when Noland wrote about going to the country of dwarves and how that affected the Straw Hats when they got to Green Bit. Oda loves to add little hints and references to future locations that have payoff when we get there, and given the amount of times he's referenced Wano we've got quite a big payoff ahead of ourselves.
I think most of the examples will not play a role, i think i made it pretty clear in my post, so no idea why so unsure…
Granted, Ryuuma is gonna be a thing, albeit small, a bit bigger than Kinemon´s reaction to it. Ryuuma´s descendant is probably part of Momo´s rebel forces, they gonna distrust him, see his strength and honor, and then gonna believe him.
Everything other than that, nah, no reason to feel hyped because of that and 99% of the people do not feel hyped because of that.
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All this Wano talk reminds me of Samurai Diaper, lol.
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Dressrosa's main problem is neither its length nor the ammount of characters per se.
It's the ammount of characters together with that Oda didn't really know what to do with them. A lot of characters suffer heavily from this like especially Doflamingo himself. Instead of someone who is a master manipulator and knows how to lead his huge business empire, he's just some fool who basically is completely overwhelmed by anything that happens in the second half. And his big empire had a walking, talking sugary red self-destruct button because Oda seriously found no better way to make his empire crumble than that…?!
Dressrosa (unlike Wano!!!) completely lacked a compelling antagonistic force who actually could deal with all these characters. Hell, at the very end Fuji himself didn't know what to do anymore and showed up at the plateau to say that basically right back then he was busy with nothing.
Therefore instead slowly seeing Doflamingo's fall from grace, he basically already was fallen around the halfway mark. (Dryish's rant posts around chapter 840 ~ 845 perfectly describe my main issue with Dressrosa.) Dressrosa's main problem was that for the most of its latter part it was completely devoid of any tension - resulting mostly from Oda not knowing what to do with his ensemble and especially Doflamingo during that arc.
Doflamingo is such a weird antagonist. On the one hand he's charismatic with an interesting background, but on the other he's inert as a villain in the arc proper. I remember people constantly assuming that he would escape, or that some grand masterplan of his would manifest, but while he does try and allude to some greater motivations, these never manifest into something tangible. Doflamingo is in full damage- control mode the entire arc, and has no agenda other than "desperately try and salvage status quo", which doesn't gel well with his "Mastermind who wants to wreck the world" depiction. Not helping is the fact that he spends half the arc literally sitting atop his castle, waiting for the heroes to come to him.
Odas solution to Doflamingos lack of drive (theres no Project Utopia to thwart) seemed to be to tie every single supporting characters' baggage to him, and thus make his defeat rewarding by virtue of helping these people escape the problems Doflamingos' caused. This approach can work fine with something like Arlong, which is short and laser-focused. But for a microcosm of Dressrosas faults just look at the sheer amount of different people with different Doflamingo-centric grievances…and the fact that Doflamingo barely interacts with anyone besides Law and Bellamy...and even those relationships aren't without flaw. Doflamingo doesn't even react to the destruction of the SMILE factory and the escape of Mansherry - the final nails in the coffin of his whole operation.
Doflamingo was used as a glue to tie everything in Dressrosa together, but these plotlines were so numerous and diverse that Doflamingo as a villain - and the arc itself- becomes cluttered and unfocused.
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I wonder what's Moriah plotting right now. Who is he gonna take revenge on first? Luffy, Kaido or WG?
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Dont think that he has that much grudge against luffy to make something like a revenge plan, he defeated him pretty fair. Kaido again is a different story with him killing his whole crew…
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Yeah, high likely he'll be an ally in Wano.
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@Daz:
Doflamingo is such a weird antagonist. On the one hand he's charismatic with an interesting background, but on the other he's inert as a villain in the arc proper. I remember people constantly assuming that he would escape, or that some grand masterplan of his would manifest, but while he does try and allude to some greater motivations, these never manifest into something tangible. Doflamingo is in full damage- control mode the entire arc, and has no agenda other than "desperately try and salvage status quo", which doesn't gel well with his "Mastermind who wants to wreck the world" depiction. Not helping is the fact that he spends half the arc literally sitting atop his castle, waiting for the heroes to come to him. Odas solution to Doflamingos lack of drive (theres no Project Utopia to thwart) seemed to be to tie every single supporting characters' baggage to him, and thus make his defeat rewarding by virtue of helping these people escape the problems Doflamingos' caused. This approach can work fine with something like Arlong, which is short and laser-focused. But for a microcosm of Dressrosas faults just look at the sheer amount of different people with different Doflamingo-centric grievances…and the fact that Doflamingo barely interacts with anyone besides Law and Bellamy...and even those relationships aren't without flaw. Doflamingo doesn't even react to the destruction of the SMILE factory and the escape of Mansherry - the final nails in the coffin of his whole operation.
Doflamingo was used as a glue to tie everything in Dressrosa together, but these plotlines were so numerous and diverse that Doflamingo as a villain - and the arc itself- becomes cluttered and unfocused.
I still think Dressrosa could have worked at all despite the mass of characters and subplots if only there had been a proper, waaaay better glue to tie it all together. However, yeah, splitting it up into two separate arcs would definitely have been better as there are quite some tricky to handle subplots.
Like, seriously, Sugar! Using her the way Oda actually used her just feels so incredibly wrong. So there is this little girl who basically has the ultimate mindfuck ability, but never ever fucks up any mind of the protagonists. Instead a lot of the Strawhats don't even know of her. (Does Luffy even know?!) Sugar really should have been in her own arc being the arc boss or at least one of the main villains of her arc. There just is so much wasted potential. When Sugar's powers were revealed (in the most tension-killing way btw), I totally was hyped to see her actually get some Strawhats and them having to emotionally react to it. But it just didn't happen. Like there could have been a scene at the climax with Sugar belittleling Luffy who seemingly doesn't have any friends at all. Would be a nice callback to Luffy's speech to Arlong and I really would have liked to see Luffy's reaction. Could also have been a nice team battle where all the toy-Strawhats would have beaten her together - despite all the hardships like Sugar being able to directly give them orders, just with a lot of creativity.
Sugar definitely was the first nail to the coffin. Instead of all the interesting ways she could have been used, she merely turned out to be a pure plot device. Not a character, but just a tool. That's all there's to it. Also, she totally undermines Doflamingo charisma. So there is this charismatic guy who has build up this whole huge empire - both over- and underworld - and we have to somehow make it crumble. This, however, isn't supposed to be easy because as said he's charismatic and reeeeally knows how to deal with people. We got enough scenes foreshadowing this - like with Kuzan or Brandnew - foreshadowing that Doflamingo is something special. But hey, just screw it, just give him that red button that only needs to be pressed once that deals with a lot of these problems in an instant. Because let's just drive the plot forward. And, of course, it then led to Doflamingo turning into that completely inert villain who was completely overwhelmed by anything. Like screw his charisma and let's turn him into some hostage taker - because that's totally the best way to let him use his charisma.
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Dressrossa is one of those arcs that seems to have both some of the series strongest moments and some of its worst, its hard to really pin point why it doesn't fully work the way it should. I think some of you are onto it, but I just feel like it either had too much or was missing something critical to hold it together.
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Doflamingo is in full damage- control mode the entire arc, and has no agenda other than "desperately try and salvage status quo", which doesn't gel well with his "Mastermind who wants to wreck the world" depiction.
This perfectly sums it up for me. Doflamingo parades through the first half of the series doing whatever he wants without any real commitment to any organization. He abandons Bellamy's crew, his auction house in Sabaody, and even threatens to leave the Warlords at the drop of a hat. He's an absolute wild card and has total control over what he chooses.
So it's a bit off-putting and even contradictory to see him squirm so much when Law makes him choose between getting Caesar back or keeping his Warlord title. All of a sudden, Doflamingo is tied down to his affiliation with the World Government, his kingdom in Dressrosa, and his underground business with Kaido. I guess there's some irony that the puppetmaster is actually being controlled by so many entities, but I don't think that's what Oda is going for here.
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I would not be too quick on deciding that there was no equivalent to "utopia project" considering the apparent weakness the SMILEs have that Law mentioned. It depends on whether Kaidou knows about it.
This perfectly sums it up for me. Doflamingo parades through the first half of the series doing whatever he wants without any real commitment to any organization. He abandons Bellamy's crew, his auction house in Sabaody, and even threatens to leave the Warlords at the drop of a hat. He's an absolute wild card and has total control over what he chooses.
So it's a bit off-putting and even contradictory to see him squirm so much when Law makes him choose between getting Caesar back or keeping his Warlord title. All of a sudden, Doflamingo is tied down to his affiliation with the World Government, his kingdom in Dressrosa, and his underground business with Kaido. I guess there's some irony that the puppetmaster is actually being controlled by so many entities, but I don't think that's what Oda is going for here.
Ehm, context is important. The warlord title was never important in that transaction with Law since he can always get it back + keep the Admirals away due to his influence over the Tenryuubito. The problem was being scared of Kaidou and DD has never shown to not be scared of a Yonkou, so i can´t agree with these statements.
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Ehm, context is important. The warlord title was never important in that transaction with Law since he can always get it back + keep the Admirals away due to his influence over the Tenryuubito. The problem was being scared of Kaidou and DD has never shown to not be scared of a Yonkou, so i can´t agree with these statements.
Doflamingo gloats to Cipher Pol that he can drop his Warlord title whenever he gets bored. We find out in Dressrosa, that that's far from the case and the title is actually pivotal for him to retain his Dressrosa monarchy and continue his shady business dealings. The problem is that he's incredibly dependent on both Kaido's protection and the World Government and Celestial Dragons turning a blind eye to every bad thing he does. Without his Warlord title and SMILES, he's nothing.
Pre-timeskip Doffy wouldn't have needed Kaido's patronage or WG backing to survive. Like the Supernovas, it seemed as if he was a wild card who didn't care for the status quo and did what he wanted. But it turns out that he's one of the very gears in the system that Law intends on destroying.
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Doflamingo gloats to Cipher Pol that he can drop his Warlord title whenever he gets bored. We find out in Dressrosa, that that's far from the case and the title is actually pivotal for him to retain his Dressrosa monarchy and continue his shady business dealings. The problem is that he's incredibly dependent on both Kaido's protection and the World Government and Celestial Dragons turning a blind eye to every bad thing he does. Without his Warlord title and SMILES, he's nothing.
Pre-timeskip Doffy wouldn't have needed Kaido's patronage or WG backing to survive. Like the Supernovas, it seemed as if he was a wild card who didn't care for the status quo and did what he wanted. But it turns out that he's one of the very gears in the system that Law intends on destroying.
Once again, no. He is never shown to have attachments to the title, it´s all about Caesar´s importance in that deal.
The Warlord title is a nice cover-up for him to do his deals, no problems there, but he can always control the TEnryuubito without the title and the Tenryuubito control the World Government, easy peasy.He does not need Kaidou´s patronage, he is a business partner, only that this business partner can possibly destroy you whenever he wants.
That remains to be seen, like i said.
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For me Oda has some issue in managing to many characters. There is no really a satisfying arc with this characteristic so far, so of course I expect wano to have the same syndrom.
The problem is that beside transition arcs most of them are now like this due to the overcrowded cast unfortunatly. But well the plot is still interesting and he manages to surprise us so i can bypass this default for the moment -
Once again, no. He is never shown to have attachments to the title, it´s all about Caesar´s importance in that deal.
The Warlord title is a nice cover-up for him to do his deals, no problems there, but he can always control the TEnryuubito without the title and the Tenryuubito control the World Government, easy peasy.He does not need Kaidou´s patronage, he is a business partner, only that this business partner can possibly destroy you whenever he wants.
He can't lose the Warlord title because then he loses his kingdom which is very important to him.
He can't lose his partnership with Kaido because then he wouldn't be able to survive in the New World.
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He can't lose the Warlord title because then he loses his kingdom which is very important to him.
He can't lose his partnership with Kaido because then he wouldn't be able to survive in the New World.
Like i said, because it gives him a nice cover up but it´s no deal-breaker, it has never been portrayed to be as such.
SMILEs are a pretty new thing, so is the partnership with Kaidou. He survived pretty well without him in the NEw World so far.
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so does it mean one piece was boring since marineford :-)
He sure must love fights and don't like the previous editor work.
I only want to know about Poneglyphs and Zoro's background on Wano. Zoans aren't too much of my hype stuff.
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I think Doflamingo could have been portrayed a lot better if his motives regarding his dealings with Kaido played a direct role in the plot. We know Kaido's up to SOMETHING, given his proclamation that he's gonna start a Boredom War, but we don't know why Doflamingo is in this deal at all. I guess we'll find out in Wano, but Doffy actually appearing to make it count seems unlikely.
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Doffy had his hand in:
Getting money
Weapons
Devil fruits
Giants
Artificial devil fruits
Slaves
The treasure of Marijois
InmortalityHe was supporting Kaido for this war of his, and taking the oportunity to find the treasure and get his revenge on the Celestial Dragons.
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He can't lose the Warlord title because then he loses his kingdom which is very important to him.
He can't lose his partnership with Kaido because then he wouldn't be able to survive in the New World.
In my opinion Dressrosa was just the perfect way to handle his underground business of creating SMILE.
Dressrosa was in the end nothing he really desired, it was just something he took, because his business benefited from it, but when it was all tumbling down, he was the active one to destroy the whole country with his birdcage.
He abandoned his slave trading business before, because Doffy saw much higher potential in helping Kaidou creating an army, which would bring a war and chaos he was striving for.
So he wasn´t depending on surviving in the NW because of Kaidou, Doffy just wanted to use Kaidou to create the chaos, which would have granted him better options in the end.
Non the less, Doffy was no fool and was very aware how dangerous Kaidou is, that´s why he didn´t want to just drop the SMILE production.
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Here is my translation for Oda's comment about Shichibukai in ONE PIECE The 23rd Log which is released today.:wub:
Oda: I haven't finished ONE PIECE yet despite the 20-year-serialization. The main reason is these guys (Shichibukai).
At first, I intended to finish ONE PIECE in 5 years. It was supposed to be a story to fight against pirates called Yonkou.
However, I came up with the idea of Shichibukai… I just thought, "It would be badass if these characters showed up". Then as you can see, it caused this long serialization!!Why didn't I make them Gobukai or Nibukai!! (TN: "Go" means 5, "Ni" means 2 and "Shichi" as in Shichibukai means 7 in Japanese.
In short, Oda is saying he should have reduced the number of Shichibukai.) I thought 7 was a cool number!! That being said, I don't regret it since I drew what I wanted. ...I'm regretting a bit!!The pic below is from 2ch.
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Very good decision. Enter the Grandline, then meet the strongest pirates immediately… it would not have worked
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Wow. I always thought the Yonkou were the ones he made up partway through and the Shichis were planed from the start, but it turned out to be the opposite.
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Thanks for the translation Sandman!
Nice little tidbit from Oda. I think it's super interesting that in his first few years of the series, he did in fact have the idea of the 4 Emperors. Given the rough drawing of Kaido and Big Mom in chapter 432(with only BM slightly resembling her silhouette) it's clear that he had the idea, but really hadn't finished a solid design for those two.
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Surely one of his best decisions!!
I like his brainstorms
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And since all 7 were finally revealed before the time skip I decided to introduce 9 supernoaes :-)
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The shichibukai most likely took the place of emperor's mooks and commanders.
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Thanks for the translation Sandman!
Nice little tidbit from Oda. I think it's super interesting that in his first few years of the series, he did in fact have the idea of the 4 Emperors. Given the rough drawing of Kaido and Big Mom in chapter 432(with only BM slightly resembling her silhouette) it's clear that he had the idea, but really hadn't finished a solid design for those two.
I was not sure myself until recently but i have seen Yosaku speak about the three great powers on the way to Arlong Park.
Pretty sure he did not have the idea yet when he introduced Mihawk but after that, and conveniently made him one as well.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
And since all 7 were finally revealed before the time skip I decided to introduce 9 supernoaes :-)
IIrc, the Supernova were deeply connected with the New World, which was introduced after Enies Lobby but possibly invented before that
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Thanks Sandman:happy:
So I guess that the World's Strongest was suppose to be hold by the yonko :wassat: