The way I see it is that over the course of the last 45 chapters there have been 2 factions that used the threat of disposing of Zeff to coerce Sanji into doing their bidding. They did however have slightly different objectives behind using this threat, and frankly, one of the objectives was already achieved. I'm talking about the BM pirates using the threat to make Sanji come to WCI. They had to resort to this sort of method because Sanji was acting independently from the rest of the Vinsmokes, so they had to use cheap tactics to coerce him into attending the wedding. It worked, and Sanji is successfully on WCI, and supposedly nothing's getting in the way of the wedding. Now we have the Vinsmokes using the threat to actually keep Sanji on the the island and prevent him from doing anything disrupting. Basically the BM pirates handed Sanji over to the Vinsmokes and said: "he's your problem now, here's how to keep him in check, see ya at the wedding". To the BM pirates Sanji as an individual kind of ceased to be a factor once his position as the groom was secured. Mama originally never really cared for who of the brothers is gonna be the groom, but since the Vinsmokes presented their terms the way they did she had to comply by doing what she did (blackmailing Sanji). That's why I don't think BM is gonna be hellbent on enacting revenge on some chef at the edge of the world after everything on WCI is said and done a few hours from now. As of right now, the Vinsmokes are the ones for whom Sanji actually "matters" (really strong quotation marks) as an individual.
While there's still no guarantee that Mama's gonna just forget about Zeff entirely, it's unlikely that she's gonna think too much about it after the supposed damage she's gonna sustain after Luffy and Capone crush the Tea Party.
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Don't really see the problem there. The way things are going, BM is going to have too much trouble to worry about some cooks in East Blue or some Okamas on Grand Line.
I expect Sanji is going to be broken up about it somewhere down the line, though. Like people have suggested, Pudding can be forced to remove that stuff from BM's memory.
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What is with sharks in One Piece carrying forks and knives lol?
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I figured something like that would happen when his underlings are trying to hit Sanji with their Seastone bullet Thompson .50 cals. Seems too dark for Oda though.
Seastone or being submerged doesn't cause them to lose their powers, especially if they're a Paramecia. It just causes them to lose control. When Luffy was underwater in Arlong Park, Sanji was still able to stretch him; he didn't suddenly become a normal. non-stretchy human. Another example is that Galdino used his wax to make a key to Ace's seastone handcuffs. If seastone negated powers, it would have melted/dissolved the key.
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Oh I'm not questioning the outcome or Luffy's/Jinbe's logic, just pointing out that I thought the situation was humorous.
TBH, my reaction was like Sanji's when Luffy agreed to ally with Bege. :)
Oh, ok. It's Long ago I saw the movie the last time. But one can also say "Bonasera" or "Buonasera" for "good evening".
Would be cool if Bege says that in the near future.
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What is with sharks in One Piece carrying forks and knives lol?
Maybe they learnt this behavior from the merfolk. Those sharks may have been civilized by them. ;)
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I'm not saying starting a fire inside Capone wouldn't be effective or that I don't think it will have anything to do with how he gets defeated. Maybe I am just getting caught up on semantics in which case I apologize, however literally setting the inside of someone’s body on fire doesn’t seem like a character specific “weakness” to me.
to make up for my obstinacy I'll reveal my own weakness IRL: bullets :ninja:
Well, it doesn't seem like one to me either. But Oda loves coming up with quirky circumstances for his powers. It's probably just semantics.
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Am I the only one disappointed that this was just mangastream being mangastream
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The horse head reference a few pages earlier was neat.
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@le:
Am I the only one disappointed that this was just mangastream being mangastream
The horse head reference a few pages earlier was neat.
I think you mean Gangstastream being Gangstastream.
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Only South Blue is missing at this point, and I assume we'll be getting that with Bonney at the latest.
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Oh wow (Owen Wilson voice), thank you for pointing out that that was a joke. And it was such an intellectual one. :getlost:
I just didn't want to believe Oda would do that joke without sneaking something else in the scene, maybe something we don't know yet, like Aladine and Wadatsumi waiting by the underwater sidelines in case shit hits the fan.
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-The cover was just ok
-Random exposition on Bege is kind of random. Oda is really trying us care about Bege before when we have to take care of him. I'll take it.
-So Capone was a big deal in the underworld of west blue. I wonder if Sai knows or Chinjao knows him intimately. Also if he dealt with Dofla before taking for the seas.
-Capone is a psycho that revels in chaos in blood and happen to be born into mafia. I'm surprise he even manage to get all the way to the top of his family before getting bored. One thing is sure that capone is one crazy dude you don't want to deal with. I wonder what Mama saw in him.
-Stuff with Nami and Sanji. Didn't really care. I'm not surprised of Luffy's choice since no one hee knows was really that hurt yet(Pekoms is supposedly well).
-I think Oda's backstory is super rushed but I sure loved that last spread with Capone
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Great Chapter, really loved all the godfather referemces with the 5 families, horse with no head and I just realized it now and also Vito. Love that they are going to meet with capone even though I didnt predict it.
Cant wait to see the meeting
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@le:
Am I the only one disappointed that this was just mangastream being mangastream
The horse head reference a few pages earlier was neat.
I can't help but think they tried their hardest to not go there.
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They should've set it as "Bege takes the Strawhats to the mattresses!"
Get a good deep cut in there.
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This was an amazing chapter and I have absolutely zero complaints. Talk about a rarity for me! I found Nami's reaction amusing, I LOVED the backstory for Capone Bege, and I like the idea that while they are becoming potential allies..anything could go wrong at any time. And unlike Law, Capone will KILL Luffy without hesitation if they disagree. Definitely love all the Underworld ties here, the Underworld lords..the espionage everywhere and how everyone seems to be ready to stab each other in the backs! This arc is absolutely INSANE and this chapter REALLY tied it all together in a way that is far more satisfying than the previous chapters lately have been!
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hmm assuming pudding power got undone when she KO'ed. I can only imagine the chaos that will follow.
we don't know what pudding has been doing with that power of hers.
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@The:
Jinbei as the SH Strategist, I'm 120% behind this.
I think the title will be consultant, like Vito does to Firetank Pirates. He really has made the work of one in this chap.
Sorry if this was already posted, but the mannerisms are eerily similar. Could just be cos of the big hands.
! C-could Vito be Kuro?
http://i.imgur.com/UWqD4rC.pngOi… i'd remember you D:
When i entered AP you were quite funny.Regular chapter. At least Oda put Bege with a clear goal, to only mess with Lin Lin and no one else. That Trojan horse with Bony, Nami and Luffy to assist him is delusional but impressive. What i expect from next chapter is something like Jinbe speaking because... remembering what distastes Bege:
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To what we got:
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And what him as host usually does:
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I can't see Luffy saying no to that… He will, without a doubt, piss him off xd
Sanji like a pussy again, Nami should be more fierce with him!
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Kinda makes me think, if Bege has no interest in territories or power, but enjoys slaughtering animals, Luffy could let him know he's just about to fight an entire crew full with animals on it.
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Some time ago, I would not want any of this happening. But right now, I'm really hyped to this Firetank-Strawhat alliance. This chapter did a really good work doing that for me.
And, come on. Just like how people are thinking too hard about how Big Mom is somehow not the Big Bad this arc, they are also seeking that Bege will betray Luffy. Of course, he won't like Luffy at first, but he'll grow out on him I'm sure of it.
Pretty sure, Oda will start painting Bege in a brighter light from now on, and it will get easier for fans to accept him. It's not that hard, I imagine. He kills the head of an organization but leaves the grunts alone. Jimbei said it like he was toying with them, but who really knows. They're all rumors. It looks to me that he just rid of the root of evil in that organization with minimum casualty.
Any assassination attempt on Big Mom will fail though. She manipulates souls, come on! She can just take back her soul from Napoleon/Zeus/Prometheus and many others, if killed. So that's where Luffy enters, I guess.
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Get out .
Pfffffffffffffft.
16 characters of it. You can count.
For me Jinbe is "too proper" of a character to Join strawhats, on many angles. Thats what makes him bit boring in a way. Role that he would do great would be to become narrator of Strawhats journey because he is one of most used characters when it comes to telling stories on other character at least since timeskip
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@Tamiel:
From my perspective, it seems it is not a matter of trust. Whomever is invited has no other option but to attend, unless they have no qualms about disrespecting Big Mom. The sacrifice in her tea parties could be something recurring, but no one knows besides those who come. Hence why Germa would be blind to the fact, or if they were, they might have expected either Sanji, or someone else to be the victim.
But that is the thing, they have no choice. If they rebel, they get destroyed, it is as simple as that. In a strange way, the only word of value that matters is her deciding to eradicate you or not. She always struck me as someone that had enough power to make anyone do their bidding. "You may live, if you do as a say, for as long as I decide to"[/hide]
they still have the option to work under the umbrella of another of the yonkou..big mom has not a monopoly on the new world,it should be on her best interest to keep things as civil as possible with her business partners and show herself to them as something you can make business with without risking your life..even kaidou,as crazy as it is,it's running business and for hat we have saw he is keeping his end of the bargain..big mom is not,and it's making a show out of it,for some reason.
We as readers know the ceremony will not happen. Capone plans to ruin it, but from all perspectives around Big Mom, the wedding is happening. Especially if it is revealed that she knew about Capone's scheming. Even if she does not, I am sure she is confident that she can quell any uprising, considering she has her strongest subordinates gathered.
she also know the cerimony will not happen,her plan starts and end with sanji uncovering pudding face to kiss her after the "yes",meaning that they will never sit on a table to eat,so why the hell she is waiting to eat the wedding cake when she knows they will never get to eat it? and why she is waiting till the cerimony to open the tamatebako?
I could agree to this, unless the soldiers are not invited to the wedding. If none of the soldiers attend, and are just waiting back in Germa, then it makes plenty of sense to wait for the ceremony, where they'll be separated from their forces. If Big Mom launched an attack now, she would have to deal with Germa soldiers and the Vinsmoke, and they could destroy the technology if things get dire.
the vismokes are already on the castle,separated from their army,and the germa kingdom is on the bay, just attack the vinsmokes in the castle and while the soldier have not yet realized anything just buster-call the shit out of the kingdom with your "angry fleet" and sink it..they are gonna do it anyway if they follow their plans,but instead of doing it immediately,they are waiting,for some reason.
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"Or even someone from the Kamabakka island"
They're gonna need a bigger box.
http://www.mangatown.com/manga/one_piece/v69/c839/12.html
@Lao:
The way I see it is that over the course of the last 45 chapters there have been 2 factions that used the threat of disposing of Zeff to coerce Sanji into doing their bidding. They did however have slightly different objectives behind using this threat, and frankly, one of the objectives was already achieved. I'm talking about the BM pirates using the threat to make Sanji come to WCI. They had to resort to this sort of method because Sanji was acting independently from the rest of the Vinsmokes, so they had to use cheap tactics to coerce him into attending the wedding. It worked, and Sanji is successfully on WCI, and supposedly nothing's getting in the way of the wedding. Now we have the Vinsmokes using the threat to actually keep Sanji on the the island and prevent him from doing anything disrupting. Basically the BM pirates handed Sanji over to the Vinsmokes and said: "he's your problem now, here's how to keep him in check, see ya at the wedding". To the BM pirates Sanji as an individual kind of ceased to be a factor once his position as the groom was secured. Mama originally never really cared for who of the brothers is gonna be the groom, but since the Vinsmokes presented their terms the way they did she had to comply by doing what she did (blackmailing Sanji). That's why I don't think BM is gonna be hellbent on enacting revenge on some chef at the edge of the world after everything on WCI is said and done a few hours from now. As of right now, the Vinsmokes are the ones for whom Sanji actually "matters" (really strong quotation marks) as an individual.
While there's still no guarantee that Mama's gonna just forget about Zeff entirely, it's unlikely that she's gonna think too much about it after the supposed damage she's gonna sustain after Luffy and Capone crush the Tea Party.You are right. You reinforce why this supposed danger around Sanji was so paper thin. Use whatever they can to get Sanji and really not care about it afterwards. We were gonna kill him anyway. Tech > Chef.
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Like others have said, I view the Zeff threat as more of a mental obstacle to Sanji than a physical one. The former has gone away, the latter has not and this backlash against it being "paper-thin" is really groundless, just like the complaints about Big Mom being weak :getlost:. And ultimately, regardless of how the physical aspect to it is executed, what is happening right now is pretty much the only way that actually allows Sanji to do anything. I mean, sure enough this threat could be given all its possible weight and Sanji stays on the path to his murder in order to prevent it from happening, but I am certain you'd complain about that, Mr. Impossible to Please Screwtape, who is still reading this series for reasons beyond my comprehension.
One of the things Sanji is learning this arc is that he can't fight everyone's battles for them and that it's OK for people to help him. So to have something that's ultimately beyond his control that the best he can do for both sides is to let the others take care of themselves is a pretty great way to develop him. That's…what people wanted Sanji to do, back when they thought he should do it when it was an inappropriate time in the story and the notion of "character development" never seemed a possibility to them.
Reiju, the one to get Sanji to let Baratie do its own thing, did not simply do that on a whim; she is aware enough of the situation to know that she wasn't simply consigning Baratie to a horrible fate because it was the only possible option. So far, most of the threat on Baratie has come from the Vinsmokes. Pekoms did mention that Big Mom could attack as well, but guess who her targets would be if Sanji got away? The Vinsmokes. Big Mom will not have beef with some random guys that Sanji knows, she'll have beef with the guys in direct custody of Sanji. There is risk involved of course, but Reiju's statement was definitely not a death wish on Baratie.
Real-life example, it's like if I'm in trouble with a parent or a teacher, and they're gonna punish me or threaten to punish me if I act out of line. But then something big comes up and their priorities are shifted elsewhere, so they stop caring as much about me even if in the process I did do something that would warrant the punishment.
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What's this? A couple days after the chapter release came less than half a page worth of new posts? No drawn out power level discussions, insults, or people claiming to know what Oda will do next? You guys are really losing your touch.
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Kaido vs. Big Mom, who'll win?:ninja:
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@The:
Kaido vs. Big Mom, who'll win?:ninja:
Fight like this would surely be off-screen. And off-screen fights are always won by Blackbeard.
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Fight like this would surely be off-screen. And off-screen fights are always won by Blackbeard.
There's a reason why the word "Black" is in his epithet. Blackbeard defines that which has not been revealed under the light.
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@le:
Am I the only one disappointed that this was just mangastream being mangastream
The horse head reference a few pages earlier was neat.
Now that you say it, no, you're not.
But do we know for sure? I mean the other translation has quite a few other mistakes as well.
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What's this? A couple days after the chapter release came less than half a page worth of new posts? No drawn out power level discussions, insults, or people claiming to know what Oda will do next? You guys are really losing your touch.
_I think it's clear that Big mom pirates and Kaido has stronger surbodinates then WB had, year sure Marco might be up for it but would Vista be able to beat Cracker ? Idon't think so… Shanks is hard to measure i think Ben Beckman is super strong and i still have the theory that non of his "comanders" have DF powers complete diverse to BB pirates.
I think we are going to see more comanders vs SH pirates, but for you guys who think BM will end on good terms with Luffy, you are insane after she gets the hint she will go berserk! after Kaido BM will be waiting! :) we are in for some fighting powerhouse arcs!! I just know it!_ :ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja::ninja:
_BTW Kaido is now the strongest in OP after Dragon, they might both have a dragon DF that would be awesome! cant wait to see what the rest of the RA look like and how many survied BB's attack.
(there you go bro SH pirates back in action ;))_
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@The:
Kaido vs. Big Mom, who'll win?:ninja:
Kaido! I just know it, he will counter her somehow, and he cant be killed in battle giving him and giving him the title "king of beast" and that character design, he is clearlyy meant for greatness BM is just a wached up old lady that can control weather and souls.
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I don't remember who said this, but I really like the idea of homies essentially being horcruxes should Big Mom get killed. Her actually dying would be a pretty big shock, but hey Enel got killed too! Wonder who between Zeus, Prometheus, and Napoleon would get the boot if Big Mom needed any of them to resurrect herself.
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@Kaido:
I don't remember who said this, but I really like the idea of homies essentially being horcruxes should Big Mom get killed. Her actually dying would be a pretty big shock, but hey Enel got killed too! Wonder who between Zeus, Prometheus, and Napoleon would get the boot if Big Mom needed any of them to resurrect herself.
Oda also pulled a death takeout when Kyros decapitated Doflamingo's string clone. I actually like this idea a lot too. It sort of reminds me of how Moria could switch places with his Doppelman.
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By the very existence of the Yomi fruit, that theory is already discarded.
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By the very existence of the Yomi fruit, that theory is already discarded.
Besides, Oda puts 'soul quantity' in an age scale with Momma. When she splits her soul to create Homies, she's taking years from herself. That would be the logic of the Soru fruit.I can see where you're coming from, but by that logic, if Big Mom shaves off her lifespan to create the homies, couldn't she regain that lifespan and be able to live a bit longer?
Big Mom's lifespan itself is a pretty big enigma. She seems to be very old, but some of her children are quite young, plus she has 85 of them.
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@Kaido:
I can see where you're coming from, but by that logic, if Big Mom shaves off her lifespan to create the homies, couldn't she regain that lifespan and be able to live a bit longer?
Big Mom's lifespan itself is a pretty big enigma. She seems to be very old, but some of her children are quite young, plus she has 85 of them.
That's a possibility to me, after all Ope fruit's ultimate operation may grant immortality adjusting the body of the patient. The problem is, that Oda already pushed the boundaries respected on that matter.
The fruits that manipulate the body to whatever the purpose are Ivankov's, Sugar's, Bonney's and Law's. The first and the third focus on the properties of the body, the second has a secondary effect has an stop on aging and the fourth, what it is known, plus an intercourse in order to bring the doctor's life to adjust the patient's body.
The fruits that manipulate souls to different purporses are Perona's, Brook's and Lin Lin's. The first is quite interesting to explain because Perona frees her soul in ghost form, she can manipulate her soul outside her body and even multiply it; she can inflict her feeling of depression to her victims. The second puts the user's awareness in it's soul and just returns from the afterlife… which is another way of immortality regarding the body composition because the user's soul stops aging in time basis. The third manipulates every soul at splitting them, in age basis scale it works and is able to multiply it just like in the first case to the same principle of split souls, supposedly when a life being dies at her hand, it's because the time limit of its soul was surpassed and gives a meaning that souls are given a time quantity to live.
So, in One Piece, souls are determined to lose time, only Brook's soul is the one receiving properties because is beyond that limit, Lin Lin's soul might not be able to eat other kind of souls because they only work on stuff, but with Perona's example, Momma could be able to restore her soul just like Perona does. It's a possibility, but i don't want it to happen... i just think that Lin Lin can live more than average humans, i'd stick to the theory that she's a little giant. It would give Perona's fruit a unique property just like Brook's has between the pink-haired girls.
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they still have the option to work under the umbrella of another of the yonkou..
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They had the option. There are several points to tackle here, like which other emperor would they go to, and what is the product or service they are providing for them. First, let us look at the alternatives:
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Shanks: Not to say he would not be involved in black market business, however, I am inclined to say he does not deal with the people that Big Mom deals with.
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Whitebeard/Blackbeard: Almost the same reasoning for Whitebeard than for Shanks, Edward was sort a romantic pirate, looking to have a home and a big family. He would be like Roger and Luffy when dealing with these types. Which I imagine like: Someone in the crew trying to control the situation, because the captains will just take it by force.
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With Blackbeard, I assume some might have thought of defecting, or did. However, with the slight chance that some of them are devil fruit users, whom is to tell that Teach would not kill them for their power.
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So that leaves Big Mom and Kaido.
big mom has not a monopoly on the new world,it should be on her best interest to keep things as civil as possible with her business partners and show herself to them as something you can make business with without risking your life..**even kaidou,as crazy as it is,it's running business and for hat we have saw he is keeping his end of the bargain..**big mom is not,and it's making a show out of it,for some reason.
- Jajajaja, but that is the whole point. They are keeping their end of the bargain with Big Mom as well. Remember what Doffy did when he saw he might not be able to pay? Why did he not simply switched to deal with Big Mom instead. No, he went and made a couple of calls, printed a fake newspaper, mobilized an admiral, CP0, all so he would not upset Kaido, so he is not a better option neither. If you fail to pay Kaido, you are dead. With Big Mom, well, you might come back without an eye, or 10 years of your life if you are extremely lucky.
Both of them are the same coin, just different sides. So the question remains, what is Big Mom offering all of these people that they could not get with the other emperors. To even go further, why does she have to show herself to be civil? She is not one of the nice emperors, although she might be the nicest out of Blackbeard and Kaido. I see her business as: Give Big Mom what she wants, if you fail to do so, you are destroyed, however be smart, and she'll protect you or you can do business with her.
I hope that the people watching the broadcast in Punk Hazard make an appearance, and we get to see more of what Big Mom's business is with all these leaders.
she also know the cerimony will not happen,her plan starts and end with sanji uncovering pudding face to kiss her after the "yes",meaning that they will never sit on a table to eat,so why the hell she is waiting to eat the wedding cake when she knows they will never get to eat it? and why she is waiting till the cerimony to open the tamatebako?
- Ah, see, maybe I am reading it wrong but, there is an event and a sub-event going on here. The tea party and the wedding. Big Mom organizes tea parties, which we do not know what they entail completely yet. To be more specific, the tea parties that came before. Were those conducted in a similar manner? Were there sacrifices on those too?
If so, what if the wedding is just a more elaborated ritual than their current method.
But even without that, once the wedding was over, the tea party would continue as the main event. It is just that for the duration of the wedding, the ceremony would be the highlight. After they kill them, they will sit around the table and eat cake with the rest of the guests and open the treasure to put the cherry on top of gaining Germa's technology.
To the point of why does she not do it right now, well then what about the party? When you organize a party yourself, I know you can eat all the food and open your gifts before, but then why have a party?
the vismokes are already on the castle,separated from their army,and the germa kingdom is on the bay, just attack the vinsmokes in the castle and while the soldier have not yet realized anything just buster-call the shit out of the kingdom with your "angry fleet" and sink it..they are gonna do it anyway if they follow their plans,but instead of doing it immediately,they are waiting,for some reason.
Regarding that second point, they do not want to Buster Call them because Big Mom wants Germa's technology. And right now, the Vinsmokes could just jump down from the castle and survive the fall with their bodies, not to mention if they have their equipment at hand they can fly/float.
Not sure what else to say besides, that's the plan for the tea party: Guest arrives, we have a show featuring a wedding where we kill the groom and his family, then we eat cake and party.
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@Kaido:
I can see where you're coming from, but by that logic, if Big Mom shaves off her lifespan to create the homies, couldn't she regain that lifespan and be able to live a bit longer?
Big Mom's lifespan itself is a pretty big enigma. She seems to be very old, but some of her children are quite young, plus she has 85 of them.
She probably has a nigh on infinite lifespan already, having fought and killed what is probably thousands of people and taxing the Totland citizens, she probably has a lot of spare soul essence. Granted that she is rendered unconscious, I do believe the homies could be used as health potions for her. If they aren't just withered away when she dies, they could probably come back to her body and heal her. But that could make her a pretty horrifically annoying character. Just imagine the enemy having to kill all the homies before being able to take her out.
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I was surprised, pleasantly so, by the parallel made between Luffy and Bege this chapter. The way Bege's backstory is explained makes him come across as an unhinged Luffy frankly. Just in terms of him seeking out and killing whoever is in charge of an organization. Mirroring how Luffy usually fights. I was actually expecting to see a contrast like that made with Eustass Kid.
I'm sure all of Linlin's children who no longer feel loyal to her will play a part in whatever scheme Bege has. Makes me curious about how deep the feeling of mutiny runs in the Charlotte family. The implication appears to be much greater than I originally considered.
I wasn't a fan of the whole Vinsmoke rescue plan but since Jinbe's all "WE GOTTA DO IT!" I guess I have no choice but to go along with it, he's the boss afterall.
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Okay, lots of dialogue this chapter, so this took a while, sorry. Here's the link to Jaimini's Box: https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/857/page/1
- In Mangastream, Sanji's shock seemed to be at Jimbei's very presence: "Jinbe showed up?!" In both VIZ and Jaimini's Box, he seems more surprised by what Jimbei did when he showed up: "Jimbei did that?!"
- As a comedic aside: when Luffy compliments the mirror group's success (he says "You guys really are the best!" in MS, "As expected of you guys!" in Jaimini's, and "I knew you guys could do it!" in VIZ) and they get all flattered, Brook, being the super-polite guy he is, uses a more mild embarrassed "insult" for Luffy than the other two; Chopper and Carrot use "bastard" in both scanlations while Brook uses "dunderhead" in MS and "silly man" in Jaimini's, while the former two use "jerk" and Brook uses "silly-billy" in VIZ. This repeats when they're crying about Sanji coming back: where Chopper and Carrot use "dummy", Brook uses "simpleton" in MS, and "dumb-dumb" in VIZ.
- The part where Nami says she's going to bring Sanji back even if she has to drag him is translated as "I'll definitely get you to return, Sanji-kun!" by Jaimini's, and as "And we are not leaving without you on board, Sanji! Got that?!" by the official translation. When Sanji responds by taking this as a marriage proposal, both scanlations have Luffy comment about feeling relieved, while the official translation has him say "All right…I'm convinced you're okay now."
- In MS, when talking about how Bege got his "Gang" epithet, MS just has Jinbe call him a "loose cannon", but he's more-specifically referred to as a "hitman" in Jaimini's and a "muscle man" in VIZ. About him going after the heads of rival groups, VIZ clarifies that he "took them on alone", in addition to all three versions stating he only went after the leaders.
- Luffy says he'll never forgive Bege in both scanlations; he notes "That Bege guy's gonna get it!" in the official translation.
- In MS, Jimbei states he did "quite a bit of thinking on how you all should act from here", as in, emphasizing that he made a plan for them. In VIZ, he states he "tried to anticipate how you would act", as in, emphasizing that this plan was made based on what he guessed Luffy would decide to do. (Jaimini's Box says he "thought about what you would do now", which could be taken either way but leans more towards VIZ's translation.) Based on this and Jimbei commenting that he knew Luffy would agree, this seems to emphasize, even further than MS did, how well Jimbei knows Luffy.
- For some reason, MS has Jimbei address Sanji first when asking them to ally with Bege, but Jaimini's and VIZ both have him address Luffy first. (A minor point, but I did see a couple of people mention it…)
- Bege states in MS that he'll take out Luffy if the latter "does anything to piss [Bege] off"; in Jaimini's, he says he'll eliminate him if they "don't like [the way Straw Hat moves]"; in VIZ, he'll snuff him out if Luffy "tries any funny stuff".
- Also, as a side note: VIZ doesn't have those editor's notes, but a few people commented about the ones in MS saying "'Gang' is gonna give Luffy an offer he can't refuse!" The usually-more-accurate Jaimini's Box translated it as "'Gang' leaves no freedom of choice!"
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I was surprised, pleasantly so, by the parallel made between Luffy and Bege this chapter. The way Bege's backstory is explained makes him come across as an unhinged Luffy frankly. Just in terms of him seeking out and killing whoever is in charge of an organization. Mirroring how Luffy usually fights. I was actually expecting to see a contrast like that made with Eustass Kid.
Eh, Kid is still more of an unhinged Luffy. Bege is just a sociopath without any real ambition that likes to induce and witness suffering. If you replaced Luffy and Zoro with Kid and Killer in the bar scene on Jaya, then Bellamy would have gotten crucified the minute he started running his mouth about dreams being delusions. Kid is an overzealous amoral Luffy.
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one thing that I like about capone's situation is that it makes sense logically from his perspective. Somebody who takes pleasure in taking the heads of pirate crews and then letting their subordinates fight bloody power vacuum struggles in the aftermath would get you a lot of enemies to be sure. So he hid under Big Mom's influence just like Blackbeard hid under Whitebeard's. Thing is, he's clearly got a kid so he's been with Big Mom for at LEAST 9 months, probably more. After working with Big Mom for around a year, following her every order and having a kid, I can see how Big Mom would put him in charge of the entire security of the party. From her perspective, he's just a shitty weak supernova (let's keep in mind Kaidou considers DOFLAMINGO weak, so these emperors probably feel that supernovas are even weaker), so even if he starts anything she can deal with it. I like that Bege spent a year just kind of dicking around, knowing he was protected under Big Mom, waiting for his opportunity to get close enough to take her head. Highly doubt Bege will be able to do much realistically, I mean even Kid got his ass destroyed by Kaidou and Kaidou didn't even get a scratch (at least that's the impression) so we'll see what happens. One thing I'm wondering is, Traffy said back in PH that the only way to survive in the NW is to either go under the umbrella of a Yonkou or to continuously challenge them, which makes sense. But how come we haven't seen any supernovas (yet) ally with Blackbeard or Shanks? Just seems odd that none of the supernovas are under Shanks or BB (as far as we know), even if it's something like joining shanks group just to eventually betray him later. Bonney seems like she's just on her own right now, and we know the status of pretty much everyone else barring Urouge.
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Urouge did say that "Blackbeard is the key" pre-timeskip for unknown reasons…
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@Count:
Eh, Kid is still more of an unhinged Luffy. Bege is just a sociopath without any real ambition that likes to induce and witness suffering. If you replaced Luffy and Zoro with Kid and Killer in the bar scene on Jaya, then Bellamy would have gotten crucified the minute he started running his mouth about dreams being delusions. Kid is an overzealous amoral Luffy.
I agree with that assessment, hence my surprise. Kid would be the obvious choice to fill the role of that kind of counterpart. So it's an intriguing development to see a version of this show up with Bege. I didn't picture Bege as a hedonist like Luffy before now either, that's neat to know too.
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I agree with that assessment, hence my surprise. Kid would be the obvious choice to fill the role of that kind of counterpart. So it's an intriguing development to see a version of this show up with Bege. I didn't picture Bege as a hedonist like Luffy before now either, that's neat to know too.
True, true. His mafioso theme and coup plans initially made him look like he was just an average power monger.
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@Count:
True, true. His mafioso theme and coup plans initially made him look like he was just an average power monger.
I have always found his power quite fasinating, it really has quite big potetial, from the Worst gen i always fought Bonney and Urouge were the most boring, but Bonney seems to have some deep ties and Urounge might be quite stron gsince he took down a comander of BM…
Can we discuse the positions in BM's army there are ministers, which Boss Jimbey refered to as "fodder" the 3 sweet comanders at the top and some Rooks which we dont know much about, what kind of position did Tamago have ? he had a 400+ bounty you would think he at least was in BM's top 10-5 if we compare to WB he could be like ACE or maybe Thatch.
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Has anyone considered the possibility of Bege join Blackbeard?
Kaidou crush Apoo, Hawkin and Kidd pirates easily, so no way Bege and Strawhats could take down Bigmom? If she is that much weaker than Kaidou how can she become an Emperor and maintain that status quo for so long?
I think Luffy team will crash the party and escape, Bigmom gonna smash Bege however her forces will be heavily affect. Teach join the fight and take down Bigmom and gain another crew member. -
Has anyone considered the possibility of Bege join Blackbeard?
Kaidou crush Apoo, Hawkin and Kidd pirates easily, so no way Bege and Strawhats could take down Bigmom? If she is that much weaker than Kaidou how can she become an Emperor and maintain that status quo for so long?
I think Luffy team will crash the party and escape, Bigmom gonna smash Bege however her forces will be heavily affect. Teach join the fight and take down Bigmom and gain another crew member.The difference is luffy, and we don't know all the details of their alliance vs this one.
Luffy has all his crew present, potentially bege, potentially sun pirates, potentially could call his fleet, Caesars been in her lab he potentially blow shit up, potentially vinsmokes wake up and are SHs ally now.
Kaidou fell into the center of Kidd/hawk/apoo alliance and wrecked face, luffy and co have the factor of people assuming they are undercontrol that he always has.
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Has anyone considered the possibility of Bege join Blackbeard?
Kaidou crush Apoo, Hawkin and Kidd pirates easily, so no way Bege and Strawhats could take down Bigmom? If she is that much weaker than Kaidou how can she become an Emperor and maintain that status quo for so long?
I think Luffy team will crash the party and escape, Bigmom gonna smash Bege however her forces will be heavily affect. Teach join the fight and take down Bigmom and gain another crew member.What do Apo, Hawkins, Kidd and Kaido have to do with anything?
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Confronting a guy who literally dropped right in front of you is significantly different than concocting a meticulously detailed assassination plan.