All along we've been seeing fights between straw hat and their enemies.. i wld really love to see internal fights within the marine or other pirates/shichibukai. These fights wld be nice and intensive! Eg, admiral vs admiral etc.
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I would like to see a Merman with a devil fruit ability or a major villain/antagonist with the Logia power over water.
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Speaking the truth, Eneru had more potential to be a good villain than Crocodile, but it did turn out that Crocodile was a lot better as that than him. Another curious thing is that Crocodile is kind of a cross between Krieg, Arlong and Kuro, without the flaws from those three.
I do not care about wich powers this next ideal villain will have. What I care about is how well his villain charactheristcs will be developed. The one that seems to have the most potential right now seems to be Akainu. If the guy is like a Luca Blight (from Suikoden II) it will be perfect. Someone like Light Yagami from Death Note would be cool also, but that would be asking to much of a manga like OP. Other guy that promises is Black Beard. ODA does not need to introduce a whole new set of villains, all he have to do is to develop well those he already have put in the story so far.
How the villains will develop in the near future (in my opinion):
Kumadori Bear: Religious Fanatic.
Donquixote: Similar to Belamy, but not as idiotic as him and definitly stronger.
Black Beard: Similar to Ruffy, but exchange optimistic for realist and kindness for cruelty and you get the picture.
Akainu: The only one I see that has the potential to be better than Croc as villain. He will be cunning, cruel, strong, cold, inteligent and more. And all he does he will have a firm belief that it is justifiable for his justice. Add a complete disregard towards human life for the final touch.
Sengoku: Imagine Spandam. Now imagine that he is stronger than Lucci. Scary… -
Akainu. He definitly has huge potential. I'd like to see him be a stern, ultraviolent, ruthless character but without Lucci's sadistic part. Just doing his job because he believes in absolute justice and evil must be eradicated, even if it means he has to sacrifice civilians, women, children, baby koalas, the embodiement of fascism/military fanatism. That'd be nice.
Also agree about the fact we don't need any new villains out of nowhere like Enel and the CP9, Oda has enough potentially awesome opponents for Lufy with the Shichibukais, the Marine elite and the various pirate crews introduced yet, he just needs to develop them the right way.
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I think Oda is saving big villians like that for specific purposes. For arcs in between, he needs in-between battles. Hence CP9
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Yeah, what I was thinking, just develop the other villains he has, because Oda already has too many villians if anything. I'm anxious to see Jimbei and Kuma.
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one problem about meeting another Admiral is…......can Luffy and gang escape said Admiral at all? they barely got away from Aokiji, and that's because Aokiji might be just returning a favor or something like that........other Admirals might not be so forgiving....
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one problem about meeting another Admiral is…......can Luffy and gang escape said Admiral at all? they barely got away from Aokiji, and that's because Aokiji might be just returning a favor or something like that........other Admirals might not be so forgiving....
Ao Kiji was also the strongest of the three. Maybe they could beat the other two (though I woldn't bet the farm on it.)
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Was it ever said that he is the strongest? I think Robin only said that he is Member of the strongest Force of Marines not more…..
And i think that each Admiral has a Logia Fruit connected with there Colors like Aokiji the blue (forgot the animal^^) = Ice
So Red dog = Magma/lava and Yellow Monkey = Energy or somethink like that. -
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Then Sengoku would have to have eaten the Momo Momo no Mi.
That would actually be awesome. I can picture the attacks:
Peach Shoot: Turning into a peach, his Goat eats him, then shoots him out its rear at a high speed velocity.
Peach mania: He makes a whole crapload of peaches fall on the opponent.
Peach wave: Using peach nectar, he floods the area around his opponent, making him stuck in the sticky, sugary peach nectar.
It's the pits: Inhaling deep, Sengoku exhales and shoots peach pits like a machine gun.
Peach Suit: Makes his whole body into a giant peach.
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one problem about meeting another Admiral is…......can Luffy and gang escape said Admiral at all? they barely got away from Aokiji, and that's because Aokiji might be just returning a favor or something like that........other Admirals might not be so forgiving....
I expect Luffy to vastly improve before fighting him, and even then he'd barely escape with his life, like against Croc. That's why I don't think Akainu, if they ever fight him, will be the next main antagonist.
They'll probably fight him before the very end of the manga, as taking down one of the Greatest Powers of the WG is definitly more impressing than beating a Shichibukai or teh strongest assassin evar, and would be a clear indication that Luffy is about to become the pirate king.
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na i think Luffy beats Aokiji , and the other 2 s will be beat by zoro and Sanji
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oh and you forgot about Alvida would she just be under the Bitch category?
and Foxy your sig makes me want to punch you
O.o WHY? The lyrics are from a song!"Gangster Rap" or somethin' like that. I just saw an amv of Usopp with the song and it was funneh!
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na i think Luffy beats Aokiji , and the other 2 s will be beat by zoro and Sanji
Sanji beating an Admiral would make me want to jam a chopstick through my brain.
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Sanji beating an Admiral would make me want to jam a chopstick through my brain.
Lolol k? And you're one of the people that used to say "SOGEKINGUUUU wiull be come like jesus, only warlike and defat jeabura + all admiarals + buster call lololz"
Were you not? I sir am appalled at your blatant character bashing :ninja:
To make this post on topic-ky
My ideal villain would be someone that isn't a moron for once, someone like Urahara from bleach, except evil. So… super strong (hides it though) evil scientist with a dark past, that poses to be a good guy and then fucks everything up at the end :wub:
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Lolol k? And you're one of the people that used to say "SOGEKINGUUUU wiull be come like jesus, only warlike and defat jeabura + all admiarals + buster call lololz"
Yeah, I used to, and I was wrong. So what's your point? Jyabura is the n°3 of CP9, miles behind Rob Lucci, he's a pretty insignificant character in the grand scheme of things, and that's why Sanji fought him. Admirals are part of the cream of the crop of the One Piece world. To have other crewmembers than the future Pirate King beat them would undermine their status.
It's like in Alabasta, Sanji got Bon Clay and Luffy took on Crocodile. Get the difference? Of course, it's just my opinion, IMO, I think that and all that stuff I shouldn't have to specify in order to calm down uncalled for nerd wrath.
Were you not? I sir am appalled at your blatant character bashing
Character bashing? Holy fucking shit, you know it's annoying when you can't post something else than "OMG SANJI IS KICKASS" or "ODA MAK LUV TO ME PLEAZ" without having your opinion labelled as bashing? I didn't bash any character. Now be nice, stop playing backseat mod and try to ridicule my opinion, it makes you come off as a self important fanboy.
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character bashing….......WTF
Sanji isn't at Luffy's level yet alone Admiral level
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character bashing….......WTF
Sanji isn't at Luffy's level yet alone Admiral level
Probably we will have a über alles strong Admiral and others weaker to fit each straw hat member strengh. It's plain OP logic. Or do you really think that by the time that Luffy will be fighting a Admiral, the rest of the crew will be fighting what?
In the topic:
I liked Croc as the best vilain until now. But he was not threating Luffy's dream. We have already the antagonist for Zoro, the one who can avoid him reach his dream. I would like to see a vilain that would threat directly Luffy's dream. But as smart and evil as Croc[]s
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well, there is so many that wants to be the Pirate King in the Grandline…......you can say that Luffy has many that blocks his way forward....that's what Mihawk said...literally to him during the Baratie arc.....
can't really think of anymore ideal villain than the World Goverment.....it's like a several million vs 7 pirates.......
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MY ideal villain is someone related to Luffy (Back of Shanks/Ace fanboys). I think it would be awesome if Luffy had to confront his Grandfather one-on-one (Star-Wars jokes aside), only I hope they would actually have a REASON to fight him. I can picture it now:
G-Pa: "Luffy, you bastard…! I told you not to leave the village"
Luffy: "Aaaahhh! It's Gramps...!"
G-Pa: "C'mere punk...!"
Even Luffy fighting his mother at the end of the series would be funny. OF course, he should be avoiding hitting her back…XD...
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Someone who dies quicker. (honestly)
I bet there's a guy who fights through his hygene coming soon. But like. If he eat's something poisenous (Pufferfish Kingcobra Etc etc) he could spit poisenous liquid.
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Someone who dies quicker. (honestly)
I bet there's a guy who fights through his hygene coming soon. But like. If he eat's something poisenous (Pufferfish Kingcobra Etc etc) he could spit poisenous liquid.
Uuhhh…hasn't that already been done with Wapol…??? In addition, he was defeated quickly…
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@Masta:
Even Luffy fighting his mother at the end of the series would be funny. OF course, he should be avoiding hitting her back…XD...
the real shocker at the end will be fighting his own father…..... another D...and he already got One Piece...... ;)
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In my opinion my ideal "villain" would be someone like Mr.2, that they acctually befriended but in the end they were forced to fight(even though Sanji fought Mr.2 and not Chopper, Luffy or Usopp).
They had the same goal or something, I can imagine Shanks and Luffy will have to fight sometime for example. Maybe atleast, we don't know if Shanks want's to be the king of pirates yet. But many of the "old time" pirates is aiming for that and I guess Shanks ain't a "new age" pirate like Bellamy. -
we still don't really know what Shanks is really up too….. he might also have a dream to be the Pirate King....and his fight with Luffy is probably inevitable!
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character bashing….......WTF
Sanji isn't at Luffy's level yet alone Admiral level
But Zoro is… see
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Oh for fuck's sake…
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There are quite a few possible opponents on admiral or near admiral level (whatever that means^^) not all of them being 'bosses' (ace for example) so imo it would be very tiring if zoro AND sanji would in the end NOT evolve up to that level.I really don't want to see luffy going solo for the rest of one piece.
[edit:or sanji completely left behind by luffy and zoro BEFORE zore beats mihawk.]
…but since both sanji and zoro are obviously power-uppable ^_^' i don't think it will happen.
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If the Enies Lobby arc confirmed something, it's One Piece, like every shonen manga, follows a clear pattern when it comes to fights; the strongest opponent for Luffy, the 2nd strongest/swordsman for Zoro, the 3rd/martial artist for Sanji, the chick for Nami etc.
My point is, the way they've been introduced, there's no way Admirals should be anything else than "boss" characters: final opponents of an arc, and when defeated, one step closer from Luffy's dream of becoming the Pirate King.
Zoro, Sanji and the others will find something else to do, like during Skypiea, but there's no way Aokiji, Akainu and Kizaru would show up all at once to fight and get defeated by the Strawhats. It'd be ridiculous.
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it would be game over Strawhats if the 3 Admirals appear at the same time…but that would defeat the purpose of continuing with the storyline...or something like that....
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My point is, the way they've been introduced, there's no way Admirals should be anything else than "boss" characters: final opponents of an arc, and when defeated, one step closer from Luffy's dream of becoming the Pirate King.
So (apart from the fact that aokiji is the only admiral we know and we still don't know what he can do after his logia is cancelled) you are saying that mihawk (who will be defeated by zoro) is definitely NOT admiral level?
What's with the rest of the shichibukai? Are they below the (unknown) power of an admiral or will every shichibukai that opposes the strawhats be defeated by luffy?
boring^^
edit:Nami will kick Bartholomew Kuma's ass^^
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What does the fact we've only seen Aokiji of the three or we don't know "what he can do once his Logia is cancelled" has to do with anything?
They've been introduced as monsters, yes they're probably on a higher level than the Shichibukais. After all both groups are under the Gorousei's authority, and the Admirals are called the strongest powers of the World Government.
And Zoro will defeat Mihawk at the end of the story, when he'll be at his highest level. It's the goal he has to reach to accomplish his dream, having Sanji fight an Admiral would serve zero purpose beside satisfying internet fanboys.
will every shichibukai that opposes the strawhats be defeated by luffy?
With the exception of Mihawk, yes.
boring^^
It's what happend during the past 400 chapters. It wasn't boring though, was it?
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What does the fact we've only seen Aokiji of the three or we don't know "what he can do once his Logia is cancelled" has to do with anything?
Thought that was obvious.
1.Though i hope they aren't cheating logias but stronger fighters than aokiji the other 2 admirals could simply be weaker than him.
2.How much more threatening than a cp9 can aokiji be after you've found his DF's weakness?
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It's what happend during the past 400 chapters. It wasn't boring though, was it?
It's just that i don't know yet if "admiral level" will truly be the top.If not, sanji and zoro could finally handle remaining admiral type opponents while luffy moves on to even stronger types :-)
yay, OP will never end^^!
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Thought that was obvious.
1.Though i hope they aren't cheating logias but stronger fighters than aokiji the other 2 admirals could simply be weaker than him.
So what if the other 2 are weaker than him? The group of the Admirals in its entirety is introduced as fighters on top of the One Piece world's food chain. Even if Akainu and Kizaru are weaker than Aokiji, which is yet to be proven, they're still way out of the Strawhats league.
Remember Robin's words when Aokiji showcases his power: "this is the strenght of a Marine Headquarters' Admiral". She didn't say "this is the strenght of the strongest Admiral", it clearly implies the power of the other two is comparable to Aokiji's.
2.How much more threatening than a cp9 can aokiji be after you've found his DF's weakness?
I'd say he's a pretty formidable opponent even if you can hit him. He can still turn you into a block of ice and looked pretty resilient even without using his Logias power (took two base Luffy's direct hits under his "human" form and barely flinched).
It's just that i don't know yet if "admiral level" will truly be the top.If not, sanji and zoro could finally handle remaining admiral type opponents while luffy moves on to even stronger types :-)
Isn't it clear enough? The terrified Robin, the "greatest powers" epithet, the fact there's 3 (three) men holding that position among the hundred of thousands of Marine personnels in the world, the fact the 3 most powerful Strawhats got raped in the blink of an eye by Aokiji while he wasn't even trying? Shit, if it's not "truly the top" to you, then I don't know what to say.
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I really doubt that Luffy will fight all the admirals and shichibukai (Mihawk discluded). The SHs are all getting stronger and we don't know much about these guys yet, so we can't say that they're out of their league until we meet them. Hell, there are 9 of these guys combined, does Luffy really have to fight all of them, one arc at a time?
After all, we know that Zoro will beat a shichibukai in the future, so why not the other SHs? We can't say that it will "have no purpose" until we meet their characters. After all, every SH gets to look good every now and then.
Then, there's Bartholomew Bear, the shichibukai introduced at the same time as Donflamingo. He was stated as having a lower bounty, which suggests that Bart is weaker then Donflamingo.
Now, unless he gets an arc first, he comes across as the type to fight another SH. And unless he has a sword, the fight would most likely go to Sanji or Chopper, depending on what happens.
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I thought it was pretty clear the SHs won't fight all the Shichibukais, Admirals, members of the unknown third group and strongest pirate crews, except if you want One Piece to last longer than Kochikame.
Hell, the last two sagas main opponents weren't part of these worldwide known groups, and they lasted what, 5 years?
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I thought it was pretty clear the SHs won't fight all the Shichibukais, Admirals, members of the unknown third group and strongest pirate crews, except if you want One Piece to last longer than Kochikame.
Hell, the last two sagas main opponents weren't part of these worldwide known groups, and they lasted what, 5 years?
They won't? Then what's going to happen to them? I thought it was foreshadowed that the SHs would evenutally fight all of these guys.
Or speaking of length, well, I don't see what you mean. If the SHs fight two shichibukai or Admirals an arc then it would last that long. At least, not longer then One Piece is estimated to last already.
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…, the fact the 3 most powerful Strawhats got raped in the blink of an eye by Aokiji while he wasn't even trying? Shit, if it's not "truly the top" to you, then I don't know what to say.
You do know almost everyone gets raped at the first encounter with a logia ;-)
Besides, antagonists always get their awesome first appearance.
If aokiji is top, he's top and it's ok with me but for me he's not top because he's a logia.
I know that he seems to be quite a tough guy since he deliberately took a few hits but the same counts for cp9 at iceburgs mansion and they flinched even less^^
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You can eat more than one devil fruit, but the second cancels out the first.
Heheh, I quoted this from back in April 2005. I guess some of us were wrong (including me). ^_^
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no Jyabura says that having 2 demons inside the body will Destroy the person
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They won't? Then what's going to happen to them? I thought it was foreshadowed that the SHs would evenutally fight all of these guys.
I can see them fighting eachothers during the revolutionary chaos that'll probably erupt before the end of the manga, remember it has been hinted the Shichibukais and the Marine aren't exactly in friendly terms.
Or speaking of length, well, I don't see what you mean. If the SHs fight two shichibukai or Admirals an arc then it would last that long. At least, not longer then One Piece is estimated to last already.
It's a possibility, but I wouldn't like to see it. It'd cheapen their characters, if they had to go at 3 or 4 to get rid of the Strawhats. Plus even in that case there would still be crewmembers left without a fight, so I don't see how it'd be any less "boring" than what we have now.
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all I can say if this keeps going at this pace whatever it does end at will be fucking Epic and I like the everyone turning on the WG thing
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it will turned out to be a World War…..at this rate......
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I do see Luffy fighting Shanks,but not a bad fight,Shanks would probaly just want to see how strong Luffy has gotten,and I think that Doflamingo will cause a lot of trouble,but judging by his appearance at the last minute Luffy will pwn him with one punch as he did Bellamy..
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I can see them fighting eachothers during the revolutionary chaos that'll probably erupt before the end of the manga, remember it has been hinted the Shichibukais and the Marine aren't exactly in friendly terms.
A world war huh? I guess that's an interesting idea, but it seems to me that the SHs will fight many of the shichibukai. Hell, how can we predict it.
It's a possibility, but I wouldn't like to see it. It'd cheapen their characters, if they had to go at 3 or 4 to get rid of the Strawhats. Plus even in that case there would still be crewmembers left without a fight, so I don't see how it'd be any less "boring" than what we have now.
Well, I'm saying with the SHs getting stronger, having some of the other Shs fight them is possible. Plus, with Luffy fighting each one over and over again, they're be cheapened anyway unless Oda did something to save them.
But this theory is based on Mihawk and Bart Bear. Mihawk is most likely a shichibukai that Zoro will fight, and I have a feeling that Bear won't fight Luffy either. Therefore, Luffy's not going to get all of them.
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no Jyabura says that having 2 demons inside the body will Destroy the person
Then probably Luffy will have to take another one in order to get stronger (during a fight like against crocodile, I mean that he'll loose first and then eat the devil fruit to gain power and fight him again) I have the feeling that i'll be the only one capable to do so.
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Then probably Luffy will have to take another one in order to get stronger (during a fight like against crocodile, I mean that he'll loose first and then eat the devil fruit to gain power and fight him again) I have the feeling that i'll be the only one capable to do so.
I can't see it happening. Luffy will get stronger on his own, just like he did this arc.
And for the villains… i'm sure there will be a plot twist motivated in part by the Ennies Lobby event. The "powers" that are now well diferenciated will get mixed and some pirates and marines will switch sides. It'll be more or less like a war, so Luffy won't get to fight every bad guy.
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Why does he need a second devil fruit at all? There are guys without 1 devil fruit that are currently 5x as strong as Luffy, and Luffy neds 2 just to be as good as them, not even to surpass them?
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That's because it's said as impossible that luffy SHOULD be the only one that can do it. His rubber body should be the only one that can support it (if it's like a super huge dopping to have a second devil fruit).