So, I've been reading up on Fethullah Gülen and his movement, they seem okay? Don't feel comfortable with making any sort of confident statement or something, but it kinda seems like he's way better than Erdogan could ever be
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So, I've been reading up on Fethullah Gülen and his movement, they seem okay? Don't feel comfortable with making any sort of confident statement or something, but it kinda seems like he's way better than Erdogan could ever be
Gulen is a scapegoat boogieman Erdogan has used to blame for whatever he wants. Don't take accusations toward him too seriously.
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Gulen, still…really isn't that great though. Some overblown stuff about him though, yeah.
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the jazeera reporter is saying that the majority of the army is actually against it. i hope this ends with no bloodshed.
There is already bloodshed and this thing doesn't seem to be letting up. Also, while AJ is a better source than the Turkish national news, I tended to notice a strong bias toward Erdogan's gov't through the paper so in this case I'm tempted not to trust their sources which are likely straight from Erdogan's media dept.
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Erdogan just landed in Tehran. The special forces leadership has declared that the perpetrators of the coup do not represent the whole military and will not succeed, according to what I've heard just now on TV.
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Time for ISIS to move into Turkey, with the MAJORLY increased instability in a country that was already somewhat unstable. lol
That's not funny. Please remember that people have friends and relatives in Turkey.
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That's not funny. Please remember that people have friends and relatives in Turkey.
Yeah… Was a bad statement, looking back on it. But there is going to be even MORE instability now with this (failed) coup attempt, which, doesn't bode well...
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ISIS thrives on instability, and that's seemingly how they form cells in locations around the world; that's how they began to originally form, starting with the overthrowing/execution of Saddam (which needed to happen, imho, a shame about the aftermath though). At least, I believe that's when the rise of ISIS started, that, or Syria issues.
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Daesh is being decimated in all grounds out there. Instability or not, they have no future.
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AFP: #BREAKING Obama urges support for 'democratically-elected' Turkish govt
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There is already bloodshed and this thing doesn't seem to be letting up. Also, while AJ is a better source than the Turkish national news, I tended to notice a strong bias toward Erdogan's gov't through the paper so in this case I'm tempted not to trust their sources which are likely straight from Erdogan's media dept.
Al Jazeera has sucked in recent years in general, greater Saudi influence was extended over it. I haven't used or looked at it for years. Though I'm not entirely sure how close the Saudis are overall to Erdogan. From a guess I'd say they liked his social conservatism, and they have seemed to invest and back many of the same groups in Syria.
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Daesh is being decimated in all grounds out there. Instability or not, they have no future.
They will be defeated eventually, no doubt (someone will replace them, of course, sadly…), but I don't think they are as decimated as you think they are. Pushed back, sure. Decimated...I wouldn't go that far.
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Even though Erdogan is doing a lot of wrong, a coup isn't the way to go. Forcefully bringing on a ruler without due consent of the people only causes chaos, bloodshed, and yes, more instability.
Gosh I am terrified for my friend, she just had a baby. Just checked in with her and she's okay.
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They will be defeated eventually, no doubt (someone will replace them, of course, sadly…), but I don't think they are as decimated as you think they are. Pushed back, sure. Decimated...I wouldn't go that far.
Ask Monkey King, he's the most well informed about this particular issue.
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Even though Erdogan is doing a lot of wrong, a coup isn't the way to go. Forcefully bringing on a ruler without due consent of the people only causes chaos, bloodshed, and yes, more instability.
The issue is a lot of the wrong Erdogan has done is against and with the express purpose of eroding and even cheating the due consent of the people, some of it incredibly nakedly. Coups are inherently unhealthy, but in this case it might be like chemotherapy. Dangerous harmful stuff that harms the body, but in the process of removing something far worse.
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If the coup does indeed fail, and it seems like it, do you think it's possible for the constitution of Turkey to be altered when it comes to its stance on coups? I believe, or I've heard, the constitution does give the right for the military to coup if the government threatens the nations secularism (proper word?).
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Reports of an Army helicopter being gunned down by a fighter jet http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-3681135717 officers dead.@Monkey:
Al Jazeera has sucked in recent years in general, greater Saudi influence was extended over it. I haven't used or looked at it for years. Though I'm not entirely sure how close the Saudis are overall to Erdogan. From a guess I'd say they liked his social conservatism, and they have seemed to invest and back many of the same groups in Syria.
It's owned by Qatar, why are we surprised? Qatar and KSA are Wahabbi kingdoms.
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Reports of an Army helicopter being gunned down by a fighter jet http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-3681135717 officers dead.It's owned by Qatar, why are we surprised? Qatar and KSA are Wahabbi kingdoms.
Qatar used to have a spark of independence and "I'm my own little man!" to it as regards SA. But as I said with Al-Jazeera that has dwindled in recent years.
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The issue is a lot of the wrong Erdogan has done is against and with the express purpose of eroding and even cheating the due consent of the people, some of it incredibly nakedly. Coups are inherently unhealthy, but in this case it might be like chemotherapy. Dangerous harmful stuff that harms the body, but in the process of removing something far worse.
Agreed, however Turkey is a democratic state and the opposing parties should do whatever is in their power to peacefully engage him through politics. A coup is a political move, of course, but people are fighting on the streets as we speak. If it does go to that stage, I for one hope and pray it doesn't go the route of Egypt.
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If the coup does indeed fail, and it seems like it, do you think it's possible for the constitution of Turkey to be altered when it comes to its stance on coups? I believe, or I've heard, the constitution does give the right for the military to coup if the government threatens the nations secularism (proper word?).
What? What Constitution allows such a thing? This is akin to the pathetic former Germany Constitution that allowed Hitler to establish his Reich.–- Update From New Post Merge ---@Femme:
Agreed, however Turkey is a democratic state and the opposing parties should do whatever is in their power to peacefully engage him through politics. A coup is a political move, of course, but people are fighting on the streets as we speak. If it does go to that stage, I for one hope and pray it doesn't go the route of Egypt.
Nah, I don't think so. Turkey isn't Egypt in that matter.
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What? What Constitution allows such a thing? This is akin to the pathetic Germany Constitution that allowed Hitler to establish his Reich.
Literally, I heard that it's in the Turkish constitution to protect secular ideals of the country if they become threatened by the government (and it's no secret that the current president of Turkey and his cabinet is quite…pro-Islam, not so much everything else). It's part of the reason why they've had so many coups compared to other countries.
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Reports that the coup has officially failed. Another one to add in a long list of failed coup attempts.
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Welp, Dutch camera crew attacked by Erdogan followers at the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam because "the western media is spreading false information."
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Damn, the parliament was apparently bombed.
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@Monkey:
The issue is a lot of the wrong Erdogan has done is against and with the express purpose of eroding and even cheating the due consent of the people, some of it incredibly nakedly. Coups are inherently unhealthy, but in this case it might be like chemotherapy. Dangerous harmful stuff that harms the body, but in the process of removing something far worse.
Thing is, this coup pretty much vindicates at least some of Erdogan's past actions… I mean he saw what happened to Mubarak and the reactions (or lack of thereof) of the rest of the world. I'd never vote for someone like Erdogan, but he did win his elections.
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Erdogan is apparently landing in Istanbul right now. Show's over, folks.
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So… Chances of him being assassinated in the future?
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And this is why Turkey will never join EU, among other things.
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So… Chances of him being assassinated in the future?
So sadic, lol.__________
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And this is why Turkey will never join EU, among other things.
Starting with the fact that the EU is in the process of breaking up anyway… Going through some interesting times, aren't we? Let's just hope we don't repeat the mistakes of last century.
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Starting with the fact that the EU is in the process of breaking up anyway… Going through some interesting times, aren't we? Let's just hope we don't repeat the mistakes of last century.
Germany is on our side this time. Those were different times though, today we cannot miss a thing happening around the world thanks to the Internet and all the progress that has been made through decades of work.
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Gülen-linked group also condemns the coup. http://www.ft.com/fastft/2016/07/16/gulen-linked-body-condemns-attempted-turkey-coup/ With this, basically everyone everywhere condemned it. All the oposition, international leaders, other parts of the military… it was a gigantic failure in the end. It's gonna be fun to see the day after. Is Erdogan strengthened? Is the whole regime shaken? How many people are going to be purged from the military due to this?
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Seems like the coup is actually working on Ankara, not in Istanbul.
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Yeah… But even if they take Ankara, once the president lands and actually begins organization (not being caught off guard), the holdouts in Ankara are done for. Istanbul will be the staging ground, and is now under government control afterall.
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Yeah… But even if they take Ankara, once the president lands and actually begins organization (not being caught off guard), the holdouts in Ankara are done for. Istanbul will be the staging ground, and is now under government control afterall.
Yep. They tried their luck when Erdogan was out of the country, expecting to receive support from certain sectors. That support didn't come, leading most perpetrators to retreat and condemn the movement to failure. But things in Ankara are still very much up in the air, for now. Istanbul is basically back into the government's hands though.
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Yeah… But even if they take Ankara, once the president lands and actually begins organization (not being caught off guard), the holdouts in Ankara are done for. Istanbul will be the staging ground, and is now under government control afterall.
There are reports of the entire country being taken over by the coup but Istanbul.
The army has also issued an official statement that they the country under control.
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Not to mention there is actual NSFL (not safe for life) videos out there of military planes and guards shooting protesters/civilians.
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CNN turk has been taken over.
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There are reports of the entire country being taken over by the coup but Istanbul.
I've heard that too, well…the government has some surrounding locations near and around Istanbul, but yeah... It doesn't really matter though, when almost everyone opposes the coup, and there's actual footage of them gunning down and killing civilians and pro-government protesters (NO ONE should support a cause that does this, no matter what you think of the politicians). Heck... Obama and Merkel both said "screw this coup", just...not in those words. lol
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This thing looks like it's going to drag. Doesn't help that the coup has yet to issue a mission statement or such explaining their motives (unless the Turkish media managed to muzzle it). Either way I think the Turkish outlets are a bit too optimistic on this ending so soon, though it likely has an effect as a morale booster to the Erdogan loyalists.
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I'm telling you, the military isn't NEARLY as good as they are trying to show themselves being.
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Also. Some surreal shit on this livestream, CNN Turk livestream is active still, listen tot he background noise:
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More explosions at Ataturk Airport while Erdogan once again flees the nation. Seems like an attempted assassination.
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LOL This fucking planet man, I honestly can't believe shit like this happens on this planet… It's scary as shit, really, when you think about it...but it's awe inspiring to witness an actual coup taking place.
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I just pray and hope no more civilians get hurt...
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Seems like Erdogan once again managed to land safely in Istanbul. I expect the nation to go into siege mode once this finally ends, again assuming the coup fails
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Erdogan has apparently just told civilians to take arms and fight on live TV. Fuck that guy.
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It's like…2 douche factions going against each other. Well...a douche faction and a douche guy.
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2 Douche, 1 Coup