having a condition he only can use when he is actualy about to die, sounds like a very rare and strong condition. who knows what trick he might have up his sleeve
Hiatus x Hiatus III: Goodnight, Sweet Princes
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After reading once again whole fight, Hisoka is certainly going to die here.. I hope that we will take Chrollo with him and die happy(even if he is terrible person from many angles).
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Hisoka hasn't thrown any razor edged playing cards the entire fight, or disguise texture. He's ONLY been using bungee gum the entire time, holding back a ton.
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He has used the cards though without throwing them. And the texture surprise while can be used in battle, it doesn't seem that powerful.
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Yeah Hisoka has clearly been going all out this entire fight. Chrollo did a good job crafting the situation so that he can't fight effectively. Throwing razor cards don't do anything to nen clones and texture surprise isn't a combat maneuver. It's not like there is much else he could be doing.
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Yeah Hisoka has clearly been going all out this entire fight. Chrollo did a good job crafting the situation so that he can't fight effectively. Throwing razor cards don't do anything to nen clones
He was fully able to decapitate people at the start of the series with his thrown cards. If he can't aim well enough to do repeated headshots, at the very least he could be severing limbs. It's a ranged attack that he hasn't been using.
Obviously he's limited by however many cards he has and the sheer amount of people involved, but its still a move in his repertoire he hasn't used.
and texture surprise isn't a combat maneuver.
Sure it is. Just not obviously so.
It's not like there is much else he could be doing.
He could do what Gon did and randomly pull up huge chunks of tiles or destroy various other things in the area to create weapons/clouds of smoke/hiding spots.
Hell, create a huge cloud of smoke, and then in the smoke texture surprise himself against a high up wall and be temporarily invisible /really hard to see while he reorients and looks for Chrollo, rather than just doing it in the middle of the ring amidst the hordes.
He's super overwhelmed sure, but there's tons of applications for just his established abilities that he hasn't been using. As is Spidermanning on the walls or trying to reach the ceiling is something he should have started doing way earlier in the fight.
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Sure it is. Just not obviously so.
Unfortunately it doesn't have as many uses in battle as it normally would when the battle's against a horde of mindless zombies.
Like you outlined though, it could still give him some breathing room to plan his next move.
Good ol' texture surprise.
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He was fully able to decapitate people at the start of the series with his thrown cards. If he can't aim well enough to do repeated headshots, at the very least he could be severing limbs. It's a ranged attack that he hasn't been using.
Obviously he's limited by however many cards he has and the sheer amount of people involved, but its still a move in his repertoire he hasn't used.
He has been decapitating the clones with his cards, just not throwing them. Whether it's an accuracy issue or it takes a lot of strength to repeatedly do, he consciously decides to use a severed head instead of his cards.
Sure it is. Just not obviously so.
I mean he can use it in combat but its not a combat technique. You can't attack someone with it. It is useful for creating deception and confusion but again, this isn't a situation where he has had time to put it to use.
He's super overwhelmed sure, but there's tons of applications for just his established abilities that he hasn't been using. As is Spidermanning on the walls or trying to reach the ceiling is something he should have started doing way earlier in the fight.
The first thing he does when the crowd attacks him is bungee gum to the ceiling. That was his emergency exit, and its why it was such a big deal when his hand got blown off. Prior to that point he did have a fail safe in place even in the middle of the group fight.
I agree that there are plenty of things that he has the capacity to do that he hasn't done, but there is a clear reason for that. This fight was structured so he wouldn't have the time to use all those creative applications. It's hard to plan a better escape route/attack strategy when you have 20 people on top of you
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Hisoka's pretty much dead. The only question is the extent of damage he dealt Danchou.
Besides it's Togashi's style to end things unpredictably and anti-climactically. Hisoka meeting his end this way feels tragic and oddly fitting too…After weeks being pessimistic about Danchou's chances, I think I now understand what Togashi was aiming for in this fight.
By the way, this chapter comes out in Japan on June 6... also Hisoka's birthday.:sad:
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I feel like he's somehow going to survive exploding himself by using Bungee Gum similar to how Doflamingo used his strings and hold his body together until he can find and somehow convince Machi or someone else with a similar Nen ability to stitch him back together. Unless he truly is dead and this is the "beginning of the end" of the series, which means Illumi is next.
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The true togashi way is for both to die.
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Texture surprise on top of foot, pretend your foot got destroyed too.
Bungee gum, and contract, everyone near you, their entire bodies, holding the explosing, creating a wall + throwable human bombs. The fight can still go on, but I would be surprised if it took another 2-3 chapters to resolve.
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chiggix on Tumblr made a full translation of the interview between Togashi and Ishida.
http://chiggix.tumblr.com/post/145336753292/冨樫義博-石田スイ-特別対談-少年ジャンプ
cerobi on reddit posted a summary of Hisoka spin-off.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HunterXHunter/comments/4max28/hisoka_spinoff_super_rough_translation/
This week's chapter title is "残念" in Japanese. It basically means "disappointment", but it also means "Nen that stays behind". Maybe Hisoka's Nen doesn't disappear even if he dies.
Also, this title is exactly the same as chapter 305 when Gon forcibly aged his body to kill Pitou.
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I feel like we're going to get an ending where neither dies tbh.
General shenanigans like Chrollo is killed but it's negated/an illusion created by another ability from bandit's secret.
I sure hope Togashi is not going to back out from his promise. If he said that's a death match it should be a death match.
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I feel like the fight isn't really over. I know Togashi is capable of doing anticlimactic stuff. But he likes Hisoka. I can't see him not getting in at least some decent damage on Chrollo.
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I sure hope Togashi is not going to back out from his promise. If he said that's a death match it should be a death match.
Yeah I agree he should stick to his guns.
I just can't see either Chrollo or Hisoka dying here is all.
Then again…I was sure Kite was still alive until we saw Pitou cradling his severed head.
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I think Hisoka is about to use his textures to coat his entire body for some protection, followed by using bungee gum to use his blown off fingers to somehow attack Chrollo. I would love nothing more than seeing Hisoka use his blown off body parts to take out Chrollo. Hisoka likes to put on a show, and he has been on his heels all fight… even if he loses, the tide is about to change in this fight.
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some people here are being naive about this fight. keep in mind that Hisoka is not fighting Kastro BUT Kuroro !
and dont forget what Kuroro said at the beginning of the fight. he's sure he'll win the fight. i don't think at all he was arrogant. if Hisoka has something up his sleeve, be sure that Kuroro has at least one too.Kuroro has plenty of abilities. if he gets heavily injured we can still assume that Feitan gave him his "RisingSun".
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some people here are being naive about this fight. keep in mind that Hisoka is not fighting Kastro BUT Kuroro !
and dont forget what Kuroro said at the beginning of the fight. he's sure he'll win the fight. i don't think at all he was arrogant. if Hisoka has something up his sleeve, be sure that Kuroro has at least one too.Kuroro has plenty of abilities. if he gets heavily injured we can still assume that Feitan gave him his "RisingSun".
It's not bout their power level but their position in the story.
I hate the idea that the troupe gave him their power to be put on display when they avoid even showing it to each other, but that ship sailed already.
If his power doesn't require him to list his abilities than it's a form of arrogance. Wether or not it is well-placed or not.
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I of course like Hisoka. I of course like Hisoka. But I find Chrollo's personality ti be majorly bland. I'd much rather have a character around that's willing to play dodgeball than one that's so silent. I dont see a benefit in keeping Chrollo in the story. He was really only important because of Kurapika's backstory and motivations.
I don't think Gon and Killua even know he killed Gotou. I need more Illumi and Hisoka shenanigans!
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http://orojackson.com/threads/hxh-theory-thoughts.5220/
this is why, MAYBE, Kuroro is linked to the DC, and so why he must remain alive.
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I started reading but then after reading "but before we go on" and seeing all those pictures, I remembered I have a life. So, what's the gist of it?
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Ok, I'll just quote this then.
That’s right I believe originally the Kurta were from the Dark Continent , and the reason why the Phantom Troupe killed them was due to an incident involving the Kurta and Meteor City
The Kurta clan as I mentioned ‘removed’ themselves from society due to fear for the rest of the world persecuting them because of their eyes. -
Ok, I'll just quote this then.
I found the part with Alluka/Nanika a lot more interesting. Spot on.
Especially considering that spoiler with Nanika being from Dark Continent. (I skipped to the end in the meantime.)It does seem like Chrollo's death would have a potential of cutting the plot thread short. It's one of the reasons why I thought he planned fake death in this fight, or something.
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@Zp1:
Chrollo is a more minor character when compared to Hisoka. Chrollo was setup later on in the story, and was the main focus of an entire arc where he was essentially defeated anyways.
"Minor" is not the correct term to use. He is the current leader of the Phantom Troupe, therefore, Kurapika's arch-enemy. He may be less recurrent than Hisoka, yes, but more of a minor character? No.
@Zp1:
Hisoka not only has a much longer running story theme behind him (to watch Gon's growth throughout the series),
Currently, Gon has been pushed away from the story line. He has lost his mastery of Nen and he's chilling on Whale Island, probably doing his homework or something. His evolution has stopped. We've moved on. The plot is now focused around Kurapika and Leorio, and it will be the case for a considerate amount of time. Heck, who knows if the manga won't stop after the DC arc? You're expecting it to last even longer than that, you're expecting it to last until Gon has become an adult, for the sole purpose of Hisoka being able to fight him?
@Zp1:
but he's also had a much stronger vibe of holding back throughout the series.
I'm afraid I don't understand this sentence.
@Zp1:
There's much more story and intrigue in regards to Hisoka at this point than there is to Chrollo.
There isn't.
@Zp1:
To put it more simply:
1.) Hisoka was a fixture at the beginning of the series
Could it be time to move on? (+ yeah, his defeat would only be more surprising since he's a notable character)
@Zp1:
and has more intrigue / untold story.
This is not true, repeating it won't make it less false, come on.
Hisoka: "I want to fight Gon"
Chrollo: "Why did I found the Phantom Troupe? Where did I come from? What is my purpose? Etc., etc."@Zp1:
2.) Chrollo survived York New, but having him be a main fixture again after essentially being defeated would be boring
He was not defeated. The fight was put on hold. For a defeat implies a loss, and Chrollo never lost.
@Zp1:
3.) Because of plot elements in his favor, it's highly likely that Hisoka has a good set of plot armor in this fight.
And because Togashi isn't Kishimoto, this argument goes against you.
@Zp1:
4.) If Hisoka has plot armor, then he's holding something back
Yes, his final words strongly imply that.
@Zp1:
and our understanding of this fight so far is probably wrong.
Probably not, since we've literally seen the fight through Hisoka's eyes. He can't be hiding things to himself, neither has he broken the 4th wall.
@Zp1:
5.) Hisoka wins this fight in the end. Or at a minimum it's a draw where both live on for another day.
If by draw you mean they both die, then yes.
@Zp1:
It's always possible that this is wrong and Togashi just decided he was bored of Hisoka. However, it seems way more likely that Hisoka is going to power through this via an unseen method and live on within the HxH verse.
Everything is possible.
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As to what I think Hisoka's trump card consists of.
It's probably something comparable to Gon's state at the end of KA. Gaining huge power in exchange of his life.
I quote "[he is] going to die anyway, so…" -
Probably not, since we've literally seen the fight through Hisoka's eyes. He can't be hiding things to himself, neither has he broken the 4th wall.
He already set a trap for Chrollo without us knowing anything about it. The statement is simply not true.
Besides, his train of thought was more addressed to Chrollo's own moves and abilities and less on considering how to counter them with his own skill set. I wasn't aware until know that Hisoka can create blasts with or from his body.
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Were the Volume 33 extras posted here yet?
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I prefer Hisoka as a character than Kuroro, the latter does provide great fights ( him vs the Zoldycks is one of my favorites) however I think his part on the plot is basically done. Kurapika is moving far from the revange self of the beginning due to the hardships of vengence. And the Troupe has very little reason to hunt him, sure they can avenge Uvo but Paku's death didn't show the original members that they have little to no chance on beasting Pika on direct combat, besides they got their danchou back. On the theory, I think is farfetched to assume the Kurtas are from DC just because of the big bird and their tents, the hunter world sure has plenty of weired bests. And the troupe doesn't necessarily killed the Kurta on a vendetta against Meteor City, they are thiefs. They steal whatever they want whenever they want. On the whole previous expeditions issue, I more interested in the timeline of things. The Zombae victim is already enclausureted for 50 years, and Beyond was on that trip. And Netero was there twice, and the flashback showed him a little diferent from when we saw him training to active Hyakushiki Kannon, so we are left to assume that he went there before creating it. And Zigg Zoldyck is Maha's son and Zeno's father, or there is another layer to the Zoldyck family tree. If the Ai that inhabits Nanika came with Zigg, for how long the thing exists on the Zoldyck estate before choosing a knew host. Shouldn't they have a better understanding on it's capabilities?
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Yeah I agree he should stick to his guns.
I just can't see either Chrollo or Hisoka dying here is all.
Then again…I was sure Kite was still alive until we saw Pitou cradling his severed head.
There's also his totally casual introduction of Gin. Killing someone simply because that was the rule of the battle is totally a Togashi thing.
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http://orojackson.com/threads/hxh-theory-thoughts.5220/
this is why, MAYBE, Kuroro is linked to the DC, and so why he must remain alive.
BTW those 2 black pages with only text on it gives me the shivers all the time. Can't believe what you can do with just words and the power of suggestion.
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The thing with Chrollo is that we have already seen the Spider operate without him. And the true essence of their organization is not depending on their leader, and his succesor has already been chosen: Feitan. If Chrollo dies, the rest of the troupe get their powers back, Fei Tan becomes leader and in honor of Chrollo they decide to kidnap the baby Kurapika is protecting, placing the Spider in the Dark continent, with a bigger role and tension than: we just to avenge our boss, we liked him! Because at the end ofbthe day it was through Kurapika's actions that Hisoka got so close to Chrollo in the first place.
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Where is written that Feitan is the successor?
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Where is written that Feitan is the successor?
He was the interim leader after defeating scorpion lady while Chrollo was disabled, if Chrollo dies he can step up again, or whatever, they make another 'game'/test to elect a new leader, though Feitan seems the cruelest and more challenging for Kurapika.
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@Tamiel:
He was the interim leader after defeating scorpion lady while Chrollo was disabled, if Chrollo dies he can step up again, or whatever, they make another 'game'/test to elect a new leader, though Feitan seems the cruelest and more challenging for Kurapika.
Can you please link me the page where it's written he was the leader in that particular occasion?
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Feitan has never been the leader.
To those who think the author won't kill Hisoka because he likes him, keep in mind that Kuroro is Togashi's favorite character among the genei ryodan.`
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Can you please link me the page where it's written he was the leader in that particular occasion?
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Hunter-x-Hunter/225?id=17660#2
They state it there and Feitan was the one who killed her.
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@Tamiel:
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Hunter-x-Hunter/225?id=17660#2
They state it there and Feitan was the one who killed her.
I see your point, well I guess it works like that but not sure they all will agree to make him leader permanently though. And there's this thing also: Chrollo is using Shalnark power that means he stole it, but why? I guess you can't return the power or not? Maybe Chrollo already dismissed the spiders after stealing their powers? I think it's something to think about…
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Guys lay off with the "plot shield" argument. Togashi doesn't give a shit. He likes subverting expectations.
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Feitan has never been the leader.
Interim leader while Chrollo was nen-blocked.
Still love that he got that spot, although I'd have been ok with Phinks or Shalnark too.
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Interim leader while Chrollo was nen-blocked.
Still love that he got that spot, although I'd have been ok with Phinks or Shalnark too.
Was he acknoledge as the leader or he was just the strongest? From the little we saw from them after Kuroro disappeared they seems to all act as equal(except the Zoldick one).
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Was he acknoledge as the leader or he was just the strongest? From the little we saw from them after Kuroro disappeared they seems to all act as equal(except the Zoldick one).
Tamiel was kind enough to post a link to the page where they mentioned that whoever killed the ant queen would be the interim boss.
Then Feitan cooked himself up a good ol' fashioned chimera ant barbecue and made that spot his own.
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Tamiel was kind enough to post a link to the page where they mentioned that whoever killed the ant queen would be the interim boss.
Just saw. That race had a pretty big bet on it. And they also mention how they have abilities they would not want others to know.
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Just saw. That race had a pretty big bet on it. And they also mention how they have abilities they would not want others to know.
Yeah well it was a pretty cool and exceptional circumstance so a pretty good time to bet on an interim leader I suppose?
I dunno if that was meant more specifically in Kalluto's case, having just joined the Troupe and being not really sure about trusting them yet?
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He has used the cards though without throwing them. And the texture surprise while can be used in battle, it doesn't seem that powerful.
Hypothetically, Hisoka should be able to create illusions, and possibly invisibility using an advanced application of texture surprise.
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Well we didn't get an explanation for his weird misty illusions when he was testing Leorio and Gon.
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Yeah well it was a pretty cool and exceptional circumstance so a pretty good time to bet on an interim leader I suppose?
I dunno if that was meant more specifically in Kalluto's case, having just joined the Troupe and being not really sure about trusting them yet?
http://www.mangareader.net/hunter-x-hunter/106/15
Each of them has an hidden face (even from each other) because revealing your abilities might mean death in a real encounter.
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chiggix on Tumblr made a full translation of the interview between Togashi and Ishida.
http://chiggix.tumblr.com/post/145336753292/冨樫義博-石田スイ-特別対談-少年ジャンプ
cerobi on reddit posted a summary of Hisoka spin-off.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HunterXHunter/comments/4max28/hisoka_spinoff_super_rough_translation/
This week's chapter title is "残念" in Japanese. It basically means "disappointment", but it also means "Nen that stays behind". Maybe Hisoka's Nen doesn't disappear even if he dies.
Also, this title is exactly the same as chapter 305 when Gon forcibly aged his body to kill Pitou.
Thank you Sandman.
If Hisoka will die here then I would love to see his trump card- technique he would use if he lived a dozen more years and he would get to fight grown up Gon.
Or something that would make me think "wow he really could have fought Netero and would not get instantly slaughtered".
I expext him to force his body or nen to grow in some way under specified condition that will make him die after few minutes of using it. Fight was too one sided till now in my opinion so it would be single only and best moment to twist its current.
One Piece spoiler comment
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Can somebody photoshop Hisokas face on Luffy here ?
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Thanks a lot sandman!
This pretty much confirms what I thought: Hisoka has a last ability that he can use in exchange for his life.
Sounds epic.
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So I must have missed it, but is the Hisoka origin story considered canon?
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MS released it:http://readms.com/r/one_shot/Hisoka%20Origin%20Story/3450/1