Bounty qualifications [possible manga spoilers]
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King Smack]Except Krieg WASN'T. Shut up with this stuff about the Marines/WG were after Kreig and stuff. ITS BULL@#%&_ @Masta:
Stop making baseless accusations, fool. I already proved why Arlong got less attention. But for those with short-attention spans: Why do you think he has been paying "hush-money…?"
Yea Arlong was a different story because he took over a complete island and Krieg was just a floating menace to islands. Both men were bad guys to the sense of the word. Just in different shades of evil.
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Not a threat yet the Gorousei themselves fear of Shanks meeting up with Whitebeard. Okay there…
Fear might be overstating it a bit; the Gorosei seem perfectly content to watch how the situation develops for now and even consider Crocodile's replacement to be far more important an issue. If they were afraid, then they would take steps to eliminate Shanks for the picture.
It shouldn't be too hard to locate him; seeing how they are not only aware of the meeting, they obviously have somebody close to the situation spying on one or the other and I can't imagine anybody in Whitebeard's crew being stupid enough to be a mole for the Government. If nothing else, they have his snail phone tapped, which might mean that they (they most likely being Cipher Pol) can trace his location.
Of course, they might be tapping the Snail Phone on Whitebeard's end, but that's assuming that Rockstar didn't have a mini Snail. I suspect that Shanks is the focus of the World Government anyway as he seems to be the more active of the two by far.
I seem to recall reading one translation that suggested more that they were more confused by Shanks' actions than anything else as they seem to feel that he isn't the type to make moves that might alter the entire seascape of the world. The Shichibukai don't like the idea of two such pirates meeting one another, but are surprised enough that Shanks would do such a thing that they prefer to let him go along with it so they can figure out what he is up to.
As far as the bounties go, the World Government probably has a system that they use to determine the threat level and assign bounties accordingly. Shichibukai bounties, on the other hand, are hardly a valid way to measure the potential of a person as those are simply an indication of where the pirate was when they were judged powerful and famous enough for the World Government to offer an olive branch.
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Except Krieg WASN'T. Shut up with this stuff about the Marines/WG were after Kreig and stuff. ITS BULL@#%&
i'm not sure it is bullshit given that he was closed down byt he shichibuiki before he couldn'd even get into the grandline properly.
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It's important to remember that the bounty doesen't say everything about a persons strenght. It just means that he has done more crime. That's why Belamys is so high and Arlongs is so low. Arlong is waaaaaay stronger than Belamy, but Belamy probarly killed alot of people whilst Arlong haven't really done much.
Other than that, i have a question: Crocodiles bounty is 81 million, but in the danish version (yup, im danish) it's only 80 million. How come?
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It's important to remember that the bounty doesen't say everything about a persons strenght. It just means that he has done more crime. That's why Belamys is so high and Arlongs is so low. Arlong is waaaaaay stronger than Belamy, but Belamy probarly killed alot of people whilst Arlong haven't really done much.
Other than that, i have a question: Crocodiles bounty is 81 million, but in the danish version (yup, im danish) it's only 80 million. How come?
Uh…mistranslation? Maybe they decided to "round" the number to avoid wasting time with pronounciation. I don't know...
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You guys pull up this shit out of your asses that the WG was after Kreig and it really pisses me off. sabret00the.. As Hawkeyes said, he got rid of Kreig because he was bored and he felt like it. Honestly, again, you make up shit and then base it off of the fact that just because a skichibukai did it, that the whole WG was involved. As I said earlier, just because he was a shichibukai DOESN'T mean that the WG sent him after Kreig. As I also said, Hawkeyes is not the kind of person that would do what the WG says. And bear in mind the Shichibukai/WG relationship does NOT signify that the shichibukai take orders from the WG. As Donquixote demonstrated, they do whatever kind of pirating they want to as well as intimidate pirates. THEY DO NOT DO FAVORS FOR THE WG. Also, why the hell would the WG think of Kreig as a threat? Now lets look at Arlong. You using Arlong as a basis for your STUPID theory is completely tactless. Arlong payed hush money and played more like mafia, his crime being organized. Kreig did not operate like a mafia. He just went the hell around pirating. Organized crime is always much worse than random crime. You know why? Because its ORGANIZED. Again, using Arlong to support your bullshit theory, is, frankly BULLSHIT. Comparing those two is senseless and furthers the fact that your theory is STUPID. That's even worse than saying that WG sent Mihawk after Kreig, which is BULLSHIT itself. Honestly, your theory is freaking stupid and hopefully once you read this and shove it into your head you'll realize how stupid you are.
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You guys pull up this shit out of your asses that the WG was after Kreig and it really pisses me off. sabret00the.. As Hawkeyes said, he got rid of Kreig because he was bored and he felt like it. Honestly, again, you make up shit and then base it off of the fact that just because a skichibukai did it, that the whole WG was involved. As I said earlier, just because he was a shichibukai DOESN'T mean that the WG sent him after Kreig. As I also said, Hawkeyes is not the kind of person that would do what the WG says. And bear in mind the Shichibukai/WG relationship does NOT signify that the shichibukai take orders from the WG. As Donquixote demonstrated, they do whatever kind of pirating they want to as well as intimidate pirates. THEY DO NOT DO FAVORS FOR THE WG. Also, why the hell would the WG think of Kreig as a threat? Now lets look at Arlong. You using Arlong as a basis for your STUPID theory is completely tactless. Arlong payed hush money and played more like mafia, his crime being organized. Kreig did not operate like a mafia. He just went the hell around pirating. Organized crime is always much worse than random crime. You know why? Because its ORGANIZED. Again, using Arlong to support your bullshit theory, is, frankly BULLSHIT. Comparing those two is senseless and furthers the fact that your theory is STUPID. That's even worse than saying that WG sent Mihawk after Kreig, which is BULLSHIT itself. Honestly, your theory is freaking stupid and hopefully once you read this and shove it into your head you'll realize how stupid you are.
U, DON'T, PAY, ATTENTION. I've said, I don't know how many times that Arlong had been in hiding for 8 years. And not once did I say Hawkeye was doing the WG a favor. Not ONCE.
On a side note: It is possible for a lower bounty pirate to get more attention than a higher one and vice-versa. Robin gets more attention than Crocodile, yet he is a dozen times stronger. This statement in NO WAY, SHAPE, OR form means that the former pirate is stronger than the latter. End of story.
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@Masta:
U, DON'T, PAY, ATTENTION. I've said, I don't know how many times that Arlong had been in hiding for 8 years. And not once did I say Hawkeye was doing the WG a favor. Not ONCE.
Yeah the other guy said that though. You said that the WG was going after Kreig, and that is bull as I explained.
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THEY DO NOT DO FAVORS FOR THE WG.
Actually, "doing favors" is the best possible way to describe the Shichibukai's relationship with the World Government. They do things not out of a sense of obligation, but because they feel like it. If they don't feel like it, then they ignore the World Government and do whatever they want. This was made quite clear when the meeting to nominate Crocodile's successor was called.
Organized crime is always much worse than random crime. You know why? Because its ORGANIZED.
Suggesting that Arlong is more dangerous than Krieg because he's better organized is simply ridiculous.
The little Fishman empire in the Conomis (the Greater East Blue Prosperity Sphere perhaps) pales in comparison to the organizational skills that it would require to manage a fleet of fifty pirate vessels, which is a feat comparable to herding cats; cats armed with cutlasses and a deep hostility towards authority.
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**Krieg WAS a bigger threat than Arlong up until Mihawk decimated his fleet. Arlong was torturing a few town, true. but that was it. Krieg was being a pirate, meaning he attacked whereever he damn well pleased. Not the marines did realize that Arlong had been dormant and that IF he decided to go loose he would be a bigger threat than krieg.
and schichbukai do favors for the WG. In a sense the very fact that they are schichbukai is a favor to the WG. No they usually won't listen, but you'll find the rare time they do do dsomething. robaley outta boredom or fear.**
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Well, the WG is after Krieg, 'cause, you know, he got a bounty. ;)
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@Octogon:
I'm really getting sick and tired of everybody saying bounties are in no way power-levels when they are power levels. they just aren't like DBZ where one point of makes a difference.
**Robin was given a bouny that had nothing to do with her strengh.
Exactly, bounties aren't only given based on strength, there fore they aren't power levels.
Now for all of the exaggerated estimates of future bounties. Its just silly. 1,000,000,000 for shanks and/or dragon? Come on. Bellimy's crew was in denial that they could have met someone with a 100,000,000 bounty in Luffy and wondered what castistrofic thing he did to get such a bounty. At max I would say the highest bounty we see would be 500 million. And I doubt that it'd even go that high.**
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Come on. Bellimy's crew was in denial that they could have met someone with a 100,000,000 bounty in Luffy and wondered what castistrofic thing he did to get such a bounty.
I think the denial stemmed as much from the fact that Luffy and Zoro let Bellamy and Sarquiss beat around on them without much complaint as it did anything else. They not only dismiss the 100 million based on that, but the 30 million as well.
I think the fact that Luffy came out of nowhere also had something to do with it; Bellamy was quite proud of his bounty (which was implied to be rather high for a rookie) and the notion that somebody could come out of nowhere with that high of a bounty just seemed wrong, especially if there are indeed pirates who fake their bounties in an attempt to build up their rankings.
At max I wold say the highest bounty we see would be 500 million. And I doubt that it'd even go that high.
There's bound to be an upper limit where raising the bounty any higher proves ineffective, but I doubt that there's all that many people in that category besides Whitebeard.
At a guess, the highest bounty in the series probably belongs to Dragon as he poses an entirely different type of threat to the World Government than a simple pirate.
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If you guys dont recall, Arlong was not sought after by the WG because they were giving BRIBES to the Marine Officers. Thats why he has no attention to him. You guys dont recall this?
Don Krieg was giving no bribes at all, all he did was pillage, therefore Marines chased him.
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You don´t need to be a problem for the world goverment for to be a Shichibukai, you only need to be a fear and a terror for the other pirates and I believe that the "low" bounty for Crocodile was because he wasn´t interested in fight against WG.
Ao Koji said that the bounty reflects the strenght and how they are dangerous to the World Government, perhaps Kuma and DoFlamingo are people that made things like Crocodile in Arabasta (but without failing) or Luffy in Ennies Lobby.
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I think the denial stemmed as much from the fact that Luffy and Zoro let Bellamy and Sarquiss beat around on them without much complaint as it did anything else. They not only dismiss the 100 million based on that, but the 30 million as well.
I think the fact that Luffy came out of nowhere also had something to do with it; Bellamy was quite proud of his bounty (which was implied to be rather high for a rookie) and the notion that somebody could come out of nowhere with that high of a bounty just seemed wrong, especially if there are indeed pirates who fake their bounties in an attempt to build up their rankings.
I'll have to agree, adding to that the fact that Luffy and Zoro had no idea that their own Bounties were above Bellamys.
Bounties aren't set power levels, the one with the biggest will to win, will win. I don't believe the fact that Luffy had 100 million bounty made a difference in the end, Bellamy had truly dismissed that fact and attacked him just the same, if you look at the scene you'll see no fear in Bellamys eyes after he starts attacking.Also.. While I believe very deeply that Oda did plan OP out beforehand.. I think he failed to plan bounties and hoped he could go the DBZ route with them. Krieg was a bigger threat than Arlong, however Arlong was a former associate of Jinbei, thus had more possibility for damage were he to rejoin with Jinbei/start pillaging. Krieg on the other hand had no such damage control issue, his crew was at its peak, whatever damage they could cause they caused thus his bounty.
Lastly Mihawk is the WG's bitch, just because I love hearing little fanboy piggies squeel, whether you like it or not, he probably has alterior motive for being in the WG. However, it doesn't change the fact that he does what they tell him, or he dies.
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Arlong had a bigger bounty than Krieg, but Krieg attacked every island he took his ship to. When thinking that Mihawk attacked him, he must have been a bigger threat.
About the bounties, I think it's exactly as few persons said, it's not only the strenght. I wonder how much Enels bounty would have been, if he was a pirate at blue sea, who used his powers a lot of times. Just imagine his terrible powers, he could destroy islands easily with his raigous. Someone with that kind of power, would get 400 million in my opinion. Even if Luffy won over him, I don't think his bounty would exeed Enels. :)
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Bounties are based on strength. Simple.
Bounties are not always accurate though. Luffy's (and the rest of the Mugiwara) are less than they deserve because the World Government doesn't know just how capable they really are, for example.
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i think there also is something to be said for not only how high the bounty is but also how many people have a bounty. if you think about it this if the only member of a crew that has a bounty is the captains than The World government must believe that if you take out the captain the rest of the crew will give or is not a threat. when luffy beat don krieg most of his crew could still fight but without a leader they just did not have the leadership to continue. dorry's and borgy's crew seem to have stop being problem for the world government after they left there crew for the challenge.
when bellamy lost to luffy his crew was getting ready to run but sarquiss was getting ready to get them back under control before he was kO.
if luffy were to get captured the strawhats would still continue to be a threat in fact while i don't think luffy bounty will get to like 500 million, i think almost everyone will get one after this arc.
what i am saying is if there a pirate crew with 5 people on it with bounties but none over 50 million they would be better and more dangerous crew than a crew with only one person with a bounty on it of 60 million.
one thing i have to say about bounties is after a certain point it's useless no matter how high the bounty is on white-beard none is going to go after him because he is white-beardi thing that's going to happen to a lot when we start looking at the major players on the grandline giving them bigger bounties would be pointless.
also on the whole warlords working forr the WG. it seems to me that they were the seven most famous pirates the WG could convince to make a deal. (white-beard seem more powerful, in man power, wealth, and actual fighting power that they are) hawkeyes seems to me as one of the pirates to do this deal out of boredom he seem to be following the sprite of the deal rather than the letter. donflamingo seem have used the deal to give himself more prower in the world. he given up his crew but in reality is still in charge of them and maybe more pirate crews working towards his new era. hawkeyes seem to be just looking for some entertainment. that why he went to that meeting at the WG HQ because zoro. zoro getting a bounty was more important to him than the replacement.
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I have a theory.
In Grand Line:
Huge Risk for WG (like Robin, Dragon, Franky): normal bounty x3.
People that is enemy of the WG but isn´t an huge risk: normal bounty x2
People that is isn´t a risk for WG: normal bountyBut the bounties aren´t only related to the strenght and danger to world government, I believe that it has dependancy to the place where the wanted person makes its operations, this can explain why Bellamy has a 55 milions bounty and Krieg only 17 milions being Kreig more dangerous than Bellamy.
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Bounties are based on strength and treat to the WG. That's it plain and simple. The flaw and confusion comes from perspective.
- Luffy got his 1st bounty from Nezumi, there's no way for him to judge how strong Luffy really is. He just knows he's strong enough to defeat Arlong who had a bounty of 20M, and he's an East Blue pirate.
- Luffy's next bounty is from the WG themselves. 100M. again, they don't know what kind of person he really is. just that he's strong enough to defeat Crocodile.
- The other problem with bounties is that a person's strength and threat to the government will change.
Before hand, the WG was concerned about this kid who defeated Crocodile and Arlong. Luffy's threat to the WG at this time was strength only. After EL, he will have the threat of directly attacking the WG and declaring war on them, his strength, Robin, and Franky. I believe Luffy's next bounty will be a more accurate value for his real threat. I saw his other bounties as preliminary.
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Bounties are indicators of percieved threat, not of strength. Bellamy's bounty was inflated far more than it should have been, and Arlong's was so artificially low his bounty is laughable.
Basically put, though, few Marines really survive long enough to estimate a pirate's true strength, so we have bounties that are inaccurate; no one is willing to approach someone like Bellamy or Arlong to see how really tough they are.
Here are the reasons for Luffy's bounty in East Blue:
- He defeated Krieg.
- He defeated Buggy.
- He defeated Arlong.
Now, Krieg is one of the oldest major pirates in the series still active, and his bounty decreased from twenty two million berries to seventeen; the Marines were pursuing him, so they knew what a pitiful state he was in when Luffy fought him.
Arlong paid off the Marines to keep his bounty low. He's at least equivalent to Mr.3 in terms of danger, so twenty million is an absurd value.
Buggy wasn't incapacitated, just trounced.
No one knew Kuro was still alive, and the Morgan issue was probably covered by the townspeople because he was a despot.
So, from the Marine's perspective, we've got a pirate who beat down Arlong at full power, crushed an allegedly weakened Krieg, and roughed up Buggy. As such, the Marines considered him a dangerous pirate, but nothing worthy of a tremendously huge bounty; thirty million berries fit.
Regarding Arabasta, the Marines looked at Croc's old bounty and used that to recalculate Luffy's. It seems pretty obvious that Croc's bounty was low, too; he may be one of the weakest Shichibukai, but he's easily one of the oldest, as the World Government stopped him before he could do more damage.
Personally, I think Luffy's bounty will quintuple, Zoro's will quadruple, Sanji will recieve a bounty approximately one hundred million berries less than Zoro, Sogeking will get a bounty in excess of one hundred million, Franky's bounty will be simmilar to Sanji's, and Chopper/Nami will get something thirty million or more.
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Now here's what I don't get; why does everybody assume Bellamy's bounty is laughable?
Luffy's stronger at that point in the series than he was in East Blue. The point of that scene is showing Luffy one-hit KO a guy with a bounty of 50-million, not seeing Luffy KO a guy who doesn't deserve the bounty he has.
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Now here's what I don't get; why does everybody assume Bellamy's bounty is laughable?
Luffy's stronger at that point in the series than he was in East Blue. The point of that scene is showing Luffy one-hit KO a guy with a bounty of 50-million, not seeing Luffy KO a guy who doesn't deserve the bounty he has.
Luffy lost to the eighty one million berry pirate twice, but smashed a fifty million into the ground with a single hit.
Masira had a thirty six million berry bounty but was easily tounced by Bellamy. Luffy nearly lost to Mr.3; the CP9 agents when posing as carpenters took out that one crazy pirate in the beginning of W7.
There's a huge variability between bounties and strength, which is why I see Bellamy's bounty as excessive. Remember, being more of a nuisance to the World Government results in a higher bounty than simply being strong; by this, I think Bellamy was more of a "historical" pirate and did more piratey things than Luffy, so his bounty was inflated.
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While that'd make sense from a possibility standpoint, it makes NO sense story-wise.
Why would Oda introduce Bellamy as a 50-million pirate if it's an inflated bounty? Oda gave us his bounty to show us two things; one, how moderately-high-ranking pirates would take to Luffy's new bounty, and two, to show us how much Luffy's improved (via his one-hit KO.)
Both of those reasons fall flat if Bellamy isn't worth his 50 million.
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Lastly Mihawk is the WG's bitch, just because I love hearing little fanboy piggies squeel, whether you like it or not, he probably has alterior motive for being in the WG. However, it doesn't change the fact that he does what they tell him, or he dies.
What? When do they tell him to do anything? Fan crap aside, based on that Shichibukai meeting it sounds like the world government leaves the shichibukai to do their own thing and occasionally kill other pirates. And hell, there's probably only 3 or 4 people in the WG that can fight the shichibukai anyway.
As for bounties, from what I gather, bounties are used like power-levels in One Piece, but there's no iron-clad rules to them. In DBZ, a higher power level means that you're stronger, while in One Piece a higher bounties means you might be stronger.
A guy with a high bounty is most likely strong, but that's no always the case. It's a grey area.
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There is one big reason why Bellamy has a an waaaay higher bounty than Krieg.
He is in Grandline.
If he is stronger or not, isn't the big point there.
I for one, think they are pretty equal.Other than that, Paulie's post pretty much explains it all.
And Xetalimn, where is it stated that Krieg had an bounty of 22million before? I know you can see an old bounty of him in book 9, but has never been able to see what numbers it said. Is it what you where talking about?
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Why would Oda introduce Bellamy as a 50-million pirate if it's an inflated bounty? Oda gave us his bounty to show us two things; one, how moderately-high-ranking pirates would take to Luffy's new bounty, and two, to show us how much Luffy's improved (via his one-hit KO.)
Both of those reasons fall flat if Bellamy isn't worth his 50 million.
I do not think Luffy is any stronger than when he started out in East Blue. He has better techniques to improve his abilities, but he hasn't gotten stronger.
Bellamy was a reference point for how overrated Grand Line pirates were; Luffy took on a Shichibukai with an actual bounty of one hundred and sixty two million, lost twice, and won once. He smashed Bellamy in one punch.
…but almost lost to Foxy, a Grand Line pirate with a slightly higher bounty than Arlong (and equivalent to what Krieg's was during Nami's flashback).
I shouldn't really say this, but the bounties are really arbitrary and serve more as fanservice than actual utility. Both fans and OP characters alike seem to treat them as accurate descriptions of a pirate's threat rating, but they are, if anything, vague indicators of threat.
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Why would Oda introduce Bellamy as a 50-million pirate if it's an inflated bounty? Oda gave us his bounty to show us two things; one, how moderately-high-ranking pirates would take to Luffy's new bounty, and two, to show us how much Luffy's improved (via his one-hit KO.)
Both of those reasons fall flat if Bellamy isn't worth his 50 million.
You fail to mention the fact that Bellamy was DonFlamingos accomplice before he was a Shichibukai. Pirates such as Arlong and Bellamy that used to be in members of the Shichibukai crews tend to have the highest bounty out of all the characters in that area. Bellamy "owned" Jaya (despite the fact that many stronger pirates lived there), Arlong "owned" East Blue, despite the fact that Krieg and Buggy were much larger threats to East Blue.
I think danger by association can really boost a pirates bounty despite power level, for example if Rockstar recieved his bounty after he joined Shanks' crew, it could explain the reason it is so high..
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You fail to mention the fact that Bellamy was DonFlamingos accomplice before he was a Shichibukai. Pirates such as Arlong and Bellamy that used to be in members of the Shichibukai crews tend to have the highest bounty out of all the characters in that area. Bellamy "owned" Jaya (despite the fact that many stronger pirates lived there), Arlong "owned" East Blue, despite the fact that Krieg and Buggy were much larger threats to East Blue.
Once again, while that would EXPLAIN IT, it would serve no plot purpose whatsoever.
I think danger by association can really boost a pirates bounty despite power level, for example if Rockstar recieved his bounty after he joined Shanks' crew, it could explain the reason it is so high..
Which would also serve no reason to the plot… Rockstar's entrance made everybody think "Holy shit, the NEWBIE has a bounty of that much?! Shanks must be really powerful, and his crew must be too, if his newbie message boy has a obunty that high." If Rockstar's bounty was because of Shanks... well, that feeling of "Holy shit" isn't there any more, and it served no purpose.
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Well Rockstar can't really be all that weak considering he made his way to Whitebeard all by himself. Since Whitebeard is pretty damn far in the Grand Line, I think he had his bounty before he even joined Shanks.
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Rockstar had is own crew before he joined with Shanks (I remember seing this somewhere)
So probably he already had the reward before joining Shanks's crew
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Maybe Shanks won him and his crew in a DBF? It doesn't necessarily sound like Foxy's the only pirate who plays the game.
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I just assume the World Government tallies all the things they know about a person, and then assigns a number based on that.
Everything adds up.
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Ok, this may not fit in this discussion but…
Couldn't the entire concept of bounty be thrown out and the WG offer luffy and his crew the title of Shichibukai. Cause luffy fights bad pirates so the WG could use him to clean house...
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Which would also serve no reason to the plot… Rockstar's entrance made everybody think "Holy shit, the NEWBIE has a bounty of that much?! Shanks must be really powerful, and his crew must be too, if his newbie message boy has a obunty that high." If Rockstar's bounty was because of Shanks... well, that feeling of "Holy shit" isn't there any more, and it served no purpose.
My reaction to the sequence was less that and more "huh, nameless face in the crowd neither knows, nor cares who a 94 million bounty pirate is". I suppose it could be argued that Rockstar had a higher opinion of himself than he deserved, but it's possible that the crew of Whitebeard's flagship don't usually come into contact with pirates of that low a stature.
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Ok, this may not fit in this discussion but…
Couldn't the entire concept of bounty be thrown out and the WG offer luffy and his crew the title of Shichibukai. Cause luffy fights bad pirates so the WG could use him to clean house...
I believe that it could be a good point in the future.
I wrote a Fanfiction (in spanish, I need to translate it to English) where the group is divided in 2 parts after the Buster Call and the strongest ones are captured by the Blackbeard Pirates, included a Luffy with 300 milion bounty on his head.
The end is that the "weak" group rescues the other Strawhats and Blackbeard is defeated by Luffy, after this the Gourusei wants Luffy as one of the Shichibukai but he refuses because he loves his nakamas.
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Rockstar had the bounty before he joined the RH crew. If you look at him, while meeting the WB pirates, he is putting on a smile saying "haven't you heard of me?!". No one would have "heard of him" if he was the "new" guy. Apparently, he built up his rep. when Shanks noticed him, then asked him to join.
As for Bellamy, he was vastely exaggerated, in addition to the fact he was on the GL. Arlong being able to pay hush-money is proof of this. The World Govt. is biased towards former-sichibukai crews.
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Ok, this may not fit in this discussion but…
Couldn't the entire concept of bounty be thrown out and the WG offer luffy and his crew the title of Shichibukai. Cause luffy fights bad pirates so the WG could use him to clean house...
I think Luffy's too much of a loose cannon for the WG to rely on. And recently, it seems that the WG isn't all that it's cracked up to be. I doubt Luffy would like to aid the government that is persecuting one of his nakama. And most likely two of his nakama, later.
Besides, Luffy is so pleased whenever he gets a bounty/it's raised.Also, don't you think that the "Pirate's Summit" has something to do with Shanks' bounty? Perhaps the WG is freaking out about the contact between Shanks and Whitebeard because it means the installation of a new Pirate King may be underway. This would drastically raise his threat to the WG and give him quite a hefty bounty.
It may be a farfetched idea, though, since Oda has only given us bare mentions of the Pirate's Summit. -
The pirates' summit is not a place. Ace was just telling Luffy that he'll see him at the Top (i.e. when he becomes a great pirate).
I doubt the WG would offer Luffy a shichibukai position after he's now invaded EL. Considering no other pirate has done this for the last 100 yrs, i think this will be the birth of the SH crew becoming a great pirate crew.
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Foxy's going around taking other pirates. Doesn't look like he's done much to make others see him as a threat. His bounty is probably lower than deserved.
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This is one of the most important discussions so far. All this time I have been wondering about this matter.
The way I see it, there is some problems with the bounties qualifications of two specific characters in One Piece, and they are the main source of confusion of all the fans regarding bounties. That and the fast paced timeline, wich is kinda absurd, since the imediate question pop-ups: "how strong a crew could turn in one month?".
Anyway, the pair of bounties that is problematic and where ODA commited a mistake in my opinion was Dorry´s and Brogy. Many may not notice, but 100 Mi for them is as absurd as no other. All of other bounties that looks like incosistent have a possibly explanation. Dorry and Brogy do not.
Taking Crocodile for example. He is a logia user, so it´s safe to assume that that puts him among the elite by itself. Besides, he is smart. So I think that he raised his bounty as much as needed to caught WG attention and get a chance on Shitibukai. But not so much atention, since he aimed for something where discretion was a key point. He was a lot like Kuro, working in shadows without drawing atention. Jimbei did something along those lines, and now BB is trying that also.
Robin, alongside with a few other individuals received bounties because of their threatening status rather than any strenght. Olvia was the same case. In order to survive, that type of person has to associate with strong guys to protect themselves like Robin did. So it´s safe to assume that in most cases a huge bounty is given to those that are strong enough to make their danger true. If the individual is idealist + smart + strong + charming, then that makes him a living hell raiser for WG (Shanks, Dragon and WB for example).
Now, what is a huge bounty? I think that anything above 15-20 Mi will be a fearsome bounty. If you are associated with a strong group and is strong or if you are a strong leader by itself, you will probably skyrocket at some point. Skyrocketing is going beyond 50 Mi. When you achieve that you are not only strong, but a recognized strenght. EX: Daz-Bones, Bellamy, Robin (recognized strenght even though not exactly strong), Zoro. Now, when you go beyond 80-100 Mi, you are World-class. That is the line that Crocodile´s bounty did to separate those that are "gods" from those that are not. And right now, Ruffy stepped on this ground. Althought bounties are not perfect measurements, they are there for a reason, after all.
So, if you took out the bounties of Dorry and Brogy from the story, I think that all the other given bounties would be pretty much aceptable (and a mistake by ODA on that point would be very possible, since he was starting the Alabasta arc and was unsure on how to deal with bounties). Arlong and Krieg were strong, But Robin and Bellamy could very well defeat them with their strenght when they apeared first (Robin maybe not, but I think she could due to her harsh life experience). Ruffy did grow, if he fought with Arlong, for example, after Croc, how many seconds do you think the battle would last? Bellamy was a way to show how better Ruffy had become.
Another reason for Arlong´s low bounty is that he probably gained that when in Jimbei´s crew, but always kept a low profile and was interested in petty things most of the time (money) and his maps were a secret to most persons, but he did want them for a reason (future plans, discretion needed, why not go to the weakest blue so?). Bellamy on the other hand, was with a group with a purpose, an ideal wich was "The new age", an idiotic one, but an ideal (and was a former Flamingo crew member) and was on GL. And on top of that, he was pretty active and greedy. The type that draws atention. Krieg had a armada of East Blue pirates. We know the level of East Blue. Ruffy was actually lucky to find gemstones like Zoro, Nami, Sanji and Usopp there.
Now, I do agree that Ruffy is far from top lvl. WB, Shanks, Mihawk and Aokiji are still a long way to go, they are at least 600 to 900 Mi away from him.
It´s gradation:
Arlong < Bellamy < Crocodile < Ruffy < Lucchi < Bartolomew < DonquixoteK < Ace < BlackBeard < Mihawk < Shanks < Dragon < Aokiji < White Beard = Gol D. Rogers
Or something like that. And there are obviously others to count among those. So it´s a long way to the top. (Eneru is out for obvious reasons, he was taken out, but is clearly somewhere around Ace´s lvl)
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Anyway, the pair of bounties that is problematic and where ODA commited a mistake in my opinion was Dorry´s and Brogy. Many may not notice, but 100 Mi for them is as absurd as no other. All of other bounties that looks like incosistent have a possibly explanation. Dorry and Brogy do not.
Roger be danged, the giants were the most destructive bunch of rogues in the history of piracy. Imagine a whole crew filled with guys like Dorry, Broggy, Oimo and Kaashi; it seems pretty evident the World Government, even one hundred years past, would consider them a huge (literally) threat. These are the kinds of guys who could sail into the Calm Belts and kill all the Sea Monsters.
Taking Crocodile for example. He is a logia user, so it´s safe to assume that that puts him among the elite by itself. Besides, he is smart. So I think that he raised his bounty as much as needed to caught WG attention and get a chance on Shitibukai. But not so much atention, since he aimed for something where discretion was a key point. He was a lot like Kuro, working in shadows without drawing atention. Jimbei did something along those lines, and now BB is trying that also.
Crocodile is an amalgam of traits from all the East Blue villans; he's got Kuro's brain, a Devil Fruit like Buggy, Krieg's military force, and Arlong's sheer physical might.
It's more likely that he was one of the early Shichibukai rather than kept his bounty at a low; if I were the world Government, I would rather not have someone like Crocodile as an enemy, given his shredness and Devil Fruit mastery.
Oda also said that for merely trying to take over Arabasta with Baroque Works, Croc's bounty would have been at least double what his original was. Had he succeeded, it could have even been higher if he was ousted from Arabasta's throne.
Robin, alongside with a few other individuals received bounties because of their threatening status rather than any strenght. Olvia was the same case. In order to survive, that type of person has to associate with strong guys to protect themselves like Robin did. So it´s safe to assume that in most cases a huge bounty is given to those that are strong enough to make their danger true. If the individual is idealist + smart + strong + charming, then that makes him a living hell raiser for WG (Shanks, Dragon and WB for example).
Bounties are determined on the subject of "percieved threat to the World Government". Robin's large bounty was meant to convey that, at such a young age, she was an ENORMUS threat and had to be taken care of immediately before she got older.
This would also mean that her bounty should have increased over the years if the World Government still considered he of mortal danger; however, since Robin went twenty years without stirring up trouble, the WG sort of stopped focusing on her case. Still a threat, but a more docile one.
I suppose that's why Ao-kiji did not immediately try to kill Robin when he saw her with the Strawhats.
Now, what is a huge bounty? I think that anything above 15-20 Mi will be a fearsome bounty. If you are associated with a strong group and is strong or if you are a strong leader by itself, you will probably skyrocket at some point. Skyrocketing is going beyond 50 Mi. When you achieve that you are not only strong, but a recognized strenght. EX: Daz-Bones, Bellamy, Robin (recognized strenght even though not exactly strong), Zoro. Now, when you go beyond 80-100 Mi, you are World-class. That is the line that Crocodile´s bounty did to separate those that are "gods" from those that are not. And right now, Ruffy stepped on this ground. Althought bounties are not perfect measurements, they are there for a reason, after all.
Anything thirty million or up is extremely dangerous in any of the Blues; it's about average for Grand Line. "Skyrocketing" would be anything above one hundred million, which is a gigantic bounty for anyone, even a Grand Line pirate.
So, if you took out the bounties of Dorry and Brogy from the story, I think that all the other given bounties would be pretty much aceptable (and a mistake by ODA on that point would be very possible, since he was starting the Alabasta arc and was unsure on how to deal with bounties). Arlong and Krieg were strong, But Robin and Bellamy could very well defeat them with their strenght when they apeared first (Robin maybe not, but I think she could due to her harsh life experience). Ruffy did grow, if he fought with Arlong, for example, after Croc, how many seconds do you think the battle would last? Bellamy was a way to show how better Ruffy had become.
Oda planned out the entire series before he started writing, so I doubt he made a mistake in assigning Dorry and Broggy large bounties. Everything was calculated; Krieg's original bounty was something like twenty two million, but it's decreased over the eight years prior to OP's beginning down to seventeen. Even then, that takes into account Krieg's massive army, Gin, Pearl, and Krieg's own personal armament.
The Pirate Admiral was only considered a major threat because he was an active pirate. Everyone knew Arlong was much more dangerous, but since he was confined to a small area and only "periodically" went on rampages, he was less of an active threat.
Even then, Arlong's bounty was artifically low; as second in command to Jimbei, and, in omae's words, a "monster among monsters", it's absurd to suggest that he was worth a mere three million berries more than Krieg.
Another reason for Arlong´s low bounty is that he probably gained that when in Jimbei´s crew, but always kept a low profile and was interested in petty things most of the time (money) and his maps were a secret to most persons, but he did want them for a reason (future plans, discretion needed, why not go to the weakest blue so?). Bellamy on the other hand, was with a group with a purpose, an ideal wich was "The new age", an idiotic one, but an ideal (and was a former Flamingo crew member) and was on GL. And on top of that, he was pretty active and greedy. The type that draws atention. Krieg had a armada of East Blue pirates. We know the level of East Blue. Ruffy was actually lucky to find gemstones like Zoro, Nami, Sanji and Usopp there.
I think Bellamy's bounty was inflated. Even a fifty-five million berry pirate should be able to stand up to Luffy, especially when Foxy and Mr.3 gave him such a tough time, let alone Crocodile. Bellamy seemed like the kind of fellow who liked to brag and make big shows; that kind of behaviour is inherently more offensive and threatening than someone who keeps a low profile, such as Arlong.
Now, I do agree that Ruffy is far from top lvl. WB, Shanks, Mihawk and Aokiji are still a long way to go, they are at least 600 to 900 Mi away from him.
Where do you get that measure? Ao-kiji is a Marine, and there's nothing to suggest Shanks or Whitebeard have huge bounties. Unlike Luffy, they do not appear to be stirring trouble up with the Marines; they're more focused on One Piece.
I personally think Whitebeard is an ally of the Marines and has NO bounty, while Shanks has a fairly low one even though Rockstar's is high.
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so i think we can be sure that the mugiwaras and especially luffy will get higher bounties.
thats sure.
but how high will it be….. this is difficult to say. we don't have any measurements in bounties because the only high bounties we know are kumas und don quichottes. and these are former bounties.
BUT we have a scene from kokoro where she is talking about luffy and his name beeing spread all over the world.
and why should oda let her say something like this if it isn't true.
so we can say that luffy is or will be one of the most wanted pirates on the grand line.
and from this we can conclude that his bountie will increase massive i personally think that it will be between 300 and 500 million.
cheers
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I think Luffy only (and maybe Zoro and Robin cause they have allready one before) will have a higher bounty.
I don't believe The WG will give a bounty for every member of a crew but only for the captain.
The bounty for Luffy's head will certainly incredibly increase for of course what he has done, but also for his crew if you know what i mean.
There is no need to put some uber high level bounties on each crew's member for to interest the bounties hunters.
The one on Luffy is big enough for making of him the world most wanted dude in the world.
And if you find Luffy, you find the others. ^^
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i was thinking… maybe usopp won't get a bounty, but sogeking will! how awesome would that be? although i do think that most, if not all of the strawhats will recieve higher bounties. i hope luffy's breaks 200 million. i mean, how else would he ever compare to donquixote and kuma?
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@Xetalimn_Erket:
I think Bellamy's bounty was inflated. Even a fifty-five million berry pirate should be able to stand up to Luffy, especially when Foxy and Mr.3 gave him such a tough time, let alone Crocodile. Bellamy seemed like the kind of fellow who liked to brag and make big shows; that kind of behaviour is inherently more offensive and threatening than someone who keeps a low profile, such as Arlong.
Mr. 3 did NOT give Luffy trouble. Luffy didn't have a serious look on his face once in the entire fight. I'll admit he was alot more serious w/ Foxy, however, both Mr. 3 and especially Foxy used tons of tricks in their fights against Luffy. Bellamy did a few attacks and then made a direct attack that was countered, and this was his downfall.
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The problem with only Luffy getting a bounty is that the World Government can see that individual Straw Hats can cause plenty of mayhem and make a really big mess without the help of Luffy, even if they assume they're acting under Luffy's orders (which is not always - and, actually, is RARELY the case).
Throwing out Luffy, Zoro, and Robin out for the time being because they already HAVE bounties, that leaves four current Straw Hats without bounties. If they are assigned bounties, it'll be based on whether or not the World Government is going to be afraid of them without Zoro, Luffy, and/or Robin. The WG might assume "okay, so let's pretend we actually catch Mugiwara Luffy, Roronoa Zoro, and Nico Robin - how big of a threat are the other hooligans going to be if they try to pull off a rescue mission by themselves?".
Sogeking/Usopp: Fairly high threat because of his sniping ability. If he's able to keep distance between himself and a bunch of Marines and bounty hunters, they will not catch him - he can easily hit them before they hit him, ESPECIALLY if they can't tell exactly where he's hiding. Sogeking also doubles as a threat because he is masked, and the WG knows they won't be able to immediately spot him in public without his mask. It's kind of like a Batman/Bruce Wayne complex.
Chopper: Tough to say. His Devil Fruit might cause a little bit of confusion as to what to put on a Wanted poster because of how often it changes, but they know Monser Point is a threat even to his own crew. They don't know how it works or that Chopper isn't in control, but they know it's big and scary, much like Dorry and Broggy. Dorry and Broggy don't even need any skills to take out some Marines - they're so big that bullets and swords probably don't work and they can probably take out Marines by just stepping on them. Same deal with Monster Chopper.
Sanji: Regardless of how much Franky and Usopp/Sogeking helped on the Puffing Tom, Sanji was clearly the orchestrator of that assault. If they think purely in terms of rescue missions, Sanji is BY FAR the Straw Hat they LEAST want on the outside, and they don't even KNOW about stuff like Mr. Prince or screwing up Enel's ship. Yeah, he failed to rescue Robin and Franky, but he got Usopp and incapacitated a lot of Marines and Ciphel Pol members. Because of the defeat of Jerry and Wanze (and temporarily getting rid of T-Bone - Zoro got him later), they also know Sanji displays combat skills in the league of Luffy and Zoro.
Nami: Another huge threat. First off, she's scary because she can create thunder storms with her Perfect ClimaTact - painful and distracting. Second, she's a navigator, and would therefore be exceedingly necessary for the SHs to get away from a place or get to a place. She's also very tactical - everything about her weapon and fighting style relies almost purely on tactics and very little on strength. Fata Morgana is probably one of the most confusing attacks (from the POV of an enemy). Don't forget that she's a former crewmember of the Arlong Pirates (probably not a huge factor but could still be taken into consideration), so she's been a pirate longer than anyone but Nico Robin.
Franky will most likely get a bounty without any consideration for his strength based solely on the whole Cutty Flam/burning blueprints thing. Especially if the WG gets the idea that he burned a decoy copy of the plans, (even if there is NO WAY he burneda decoy copy, the WG might still use that as an excuse to pursue him).
Point is, any of these people, without Luffy, Zoro, or Robin, poses a threat to the World Government and the WG will definitely want to see them hang just as badly as their captain and first mate and archaologist.