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Chapter 810: The Curly Hat Pirates Arrive
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I'm more so assuming this will be another instance of inherited will. He says his malice will follow him until it curses him to his death; his malice - what he went through - will be a motivating factor in kicking the crap out of him if Luffy gets the chance. Through Luffy, Neko's malice will cause Jack's downfall.
Most likely it'll be as you say. To me it's a bit repetitive Luffy is always the saviour/(the nitzscheanian superhuman). Wouldn't it be nicer if Neko and Inuarashi rivalry somehow gets solved and they both manage to beat Jack? Or if Neko's malice manage to be accomplished through Zoro's will to become the greatest swordsman?
Even so, repetitions are nice to read in One Piece. Right now I'm looking forward to see how the old friends will manage to get their friendship back.
Also I wait for this arc to somehow trigger major troubles upon the strawhats.
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@uniaka:
Yes, but what if they team up on jack from the start. They could defeat Jack before the 5 days when Jack used the gaz weapon.
OR they would have pushed him to use the gaz weapon on day 2 instead of day 5. Or, run out of stamina (of which Jack has a tremendous supply, considering he fought continuously for 5 full days while the minks took shifts).
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OR they would have pushed him to use the gaz weapon on day 2 instead of day 5. Or, run out of stamina (of which Jack has a tremendous supply, considering he fought continuously for 5 full days while the minks took shifts).
Jack got reinforcements over time and likely would have used weapon sooner if he had it.
Look at it this way, what if luffy and law would fight doflamingo at the same time, he would fall faster and more easy.
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I was surprised by how brutal Jack was and this One Piece chapter, showing the leg and hand cut off. I enjoyed it just surprised. I was kind of nervous before reading other people's point of view that Zoro was loosing respect for Luffy when he mentioned Jack being a monster. However I am putting more stock in the fact Zoro was looking at Luffy as your moron I am a monster and I follow you.
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Not to mention the Dressorosian citizens came off as really unlikable even after Doflamingo's masquerade was revealed. Mostly because no one forced them to act like mean spirited pricks to a teenage girl who had nothing to do with the deeds of her grandfather and they openly accepted the fight to death matches during Doffy's reign. As much as Oda tried to depict them as good people at heart, the arc never really refuted Doflamingo's point about humanity loving violence and bloodshed. And as you said the Rikus were the only Dressrosa citizens focused on, but the readers never got a view of the plight of the common people during the Donquixote reign.
Uh, yes, we did. See the toys in chapter 718.
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So going by his weapons, i guess Jack is for Zoro
Luffy has fought swordsmen before.
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And when Luffy talks about how it's crazy how Kaido has a monster like Jack as his errand boy and it cuts to Zoro directly in the next panel, it alludes to the similarities between Jack and Zoro as their both monsters that follow somebody else and it foreshadows the eventual fight between Jack and Zoro.
Or you're just looking too much into things. We see cuts to Usopp and Franky on the same page.
So far, Luffy is the only one who has shown interest in Jack, showing empathy to the minks and being the one asking about him. The conflict is being built around Luffy and Jack.
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I like how Nami was all "Brook, handle this" and then he did just that, no sweat
Also, how the mink was surprised at Momo talking, since only mammals talk on Zou. Thats the kind of World Building I love.
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Sanji went to the reverie to kill his father:ninja:
You hear it here first
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Sanji went to the reverie to kill his father:ninja:
You hear it here first
@uniaka:
Akainu or the blonde gorosei?:ninja:
Neither, it is Fabio :ninja:
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The more the story goes on, the more I tend to think that Sanji actually went after Jack.
I mean, look at this face :
He already looks pissed, and doesn't even have a clue of what happened there.But then, Jack was defeated by Issho, and the other straw-hats don't really look that concerned (Nami cried for a while but she seems to have forgotten who Sanji was already) ; so either they really have faith in the cook, or they're really bad friends, or what he went to do isn't that dangerous.
EDIT : actually, if we focus on Zoro's reaction as Jack is described by Wanda, he could actually be worried for Sanji.
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Uh, yes, we did. See the toys in chapter 718.
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Luffy has fought swordsmen before.
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Or you're just looking too much into things. We see cuts to Usopp and Franky on the same page.
So far, Luffy is the only one who has shown interest in Jack, showing empathy to the minks and being the one asking about him. The conflict is being built around Luffy and Jack.
but how many of zoro's opponents can we say he has had even the slightest amount of empathy for their victims?
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The more the story goes on, the more I tend to think that Sanji actually went after Jack.
I mean, look at this face : http://i.imgur.com/c2xJBap.png
He already looks pissed, and doesn't even have a clue of what happened there.But then, Jack was defeated by Issho, and the other straw-hats don't really look that concerned (Nami cried for a while but she seems to have forgotten who Sanji was already) ; so either they really have faith in the cook, or they're really bad friends, or what he went to do isn't that dangerous.
EDIT : actually, if we focus on Zoro's reaction as Jack is described by Wanda, he could actually be worried for Sanji.
But why would Sanji go after Jack? To beat him up?
The only way I see Sanji go after Jack is if: a) Jack captured CC. b) Jack captured Raizou( and kinemon told sanji about raizou that he is his friend) c) Jack captured one of the minks(princess?) and minks asked him to rescue her.
And Sanji's departure is very close to the introduction of his alive only bounty. And that can't be related to jack.
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but how many of zoro's opponents can we say he has had even the slightest amount of empathy for their victims?
Zoro's opponents are never the big bads of the arcs, so they're usually not the ones responsible for major atrocities anyway.
Many of them are actually nicer than their bosses such as Kaku, Hachi and Ryuma.
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@uniaka:
But why would Sanji go after Jack? To beat him up?
Why else would he ? You know he's quite of a hot-blooded guy… I'm guessing he's trying to avenge the minks. Now, he's not an idiot either. He could trap Jack and his folks, you know, "Mr. Prince" style.
@uniaka:
And Sanji's departure is very close to the introduction of his alive only bounty. And that can't be related to jack.
Indeed ; it was just a theory, a maaanga theory (one coin for those who'll catch the reference). I could be anything ; from his wanted bounty to retrieving Ceasar, beating up Jack or joining the Revolutionaries.
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Why else would he ? You know he's quite of a hot-blooded guy… I'm guessing he's trying to avenge the minks. Now, he's not an idiot either. He could trap Jack and his folks, you know, "Mr. Prince" style.
Well, that would be pointless what with Jack being presumed dead. He should have returned by now.
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Sanji went to the reverie to kill his father:ninja:
You hear it here first
But what about ruling the galaxy as father and son then?
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Well, that would be pointless what with Jack being presumed dead. He should have returned by now.
Well, Jack is certainly alive and hasn't been captured so I don't get your point.
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@Bartholemew:
But what about ruling the galaxy as father and son then?
Nah, Akainu is more like the lone wolf, he would magma fist his brat if he stands in his way.:ninja:
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Well, Jack is certainly alive and hasn't been captured so I don't get your point.
I think it's way easier for us readers to know that Jack is alive for sure than anyone in the actual story.
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Well, Jack is certainly alive and hasn't been captured so I don't get your point.
Using outside viewer logic doesn't work here.
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And seeing how insane and bloodthirsty his subordinates were to the mink tribe, I have a good feeling that what Kaido did to Moria's crew would have been the stuff of nightmares. It's no wonder why Moria was never the same after he encountered the guy.
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Wanda says :
"According to the article, his death was never confirmed first-hand… I suspect he lives on." (according to cnet / chapter 806 (p.9)).
It's not only "outside viewer" logic.Jack left a day before the Swirly Hats arrived, and tried to retrieve Doflamingo the same day, right ?
He lost the battle, but vanished somewhere ; Sanji could have managed to find him in a way or another.
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Wanda says :
"According to the article, his death was never confirmed first-hand… I suspect he lives on." (according to cnet / chapter 806 (p.9)).
It's not only "outside viewer" logic.Jack left a day before the Swirly Hats arrived, and tried to retrieve Doflamingo the same day, right ?
He lost the battle, but vanished somewhere ; Sanji could have managed to find him in a way or another.
Ceasar Clown could have his Vive Card, for example.Wanda only suspects that because of personal trauma. Sanji should not have any reason to think Jack should still be alive considering he doesn't even know the guy.
Sanji left an entire day after Jack. How exactly would he manage to find Jack?
And why exactly would Caesar have the Vivre Card of Jack? His entire relationship with Kaido comes entirely from Doula Mongo.
Too many holes. Sorry, but this theory is just too flawed.
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sanji was not after jack..not only it would be out of character for him,but also he has no way to know where jack was going
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Wanda only suspects that because of particular trauma. Sanji left an entire day after Jack. How exactly would he manage to find Jack? And why exactly would Caesar have the Vivre Card of Jack? His entire relationship with Kaido comes entirely from Doula Mongo. Too many holes. Sorry.
One of the brokers from the underworld saw Caesar get defeated & said that Jack would be angry. They have some kind of connection.
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One of the brokers from the underworld saw Caesar get defeated & said that Jack would be angry. They have some kind of connection.
The connection being: Doula Mongo, Caesar's sponsor and distributor who has Kaido as a client.
Caesar makes weapons, Doula sells weapons, Kaido buys weapons.
No Caesar = No weapons = No sales (SMILES in this case). Law explained this whole relationship in chapters 797 and 798.
Come on, this connection exists since 100 chapters ago. It's not a mystery at all.
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Wanda only suspects that because of particular trauma.
Here's how I see it :
- Wanda talked with the Swirly Hats (obviously) and explained them what happened.
That's why Sanji would be mad. If Wanda suspects that Jack would still be alive, I don't see why Sanji wouldn't. And there may be more hints to it, like the Marine hiding things up badly or something.
And how many days did the battle between Jack and Issho last ? That's a missing (? I don't really remember if it was mentioned or not, actually), but crucial, information too.
Sanji for all intents and purposes left an entire day after Jack. How exactly would he manage to find him in the entire New World without a way to find him?
You're right ; it does seem very hard ; but not impossible.
And why exactly would Caesar have the Vivre Card of Jack? His entire relationship with Kaido comes entirely from Doula Mongo.
He could have other information, like knowing where Jack's "base" is or by knowing where he could go. The fact that Jack used CC's weapon (specifically) must play a certain role in the story too.
Too many holes. Sorry.
It's just a wild theory a One Piieeece Theory (still no one !?).
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One thing bothers me ; wherever Sanji went, he left without the Thousands Sunny… so how far can he actually go ?
- Wanda talked with the Swirly Hats (obviously) and explained them what happened.
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The connection being: Doula Mongo, Caesar's sponsor and distributor. Caesar makes weapons, Doula sells weapons, Kaido buys weapons. No Caesar = No weapons = No sales. Are you not reading or what?
Speak for yourself. There would be no need to report to Jack if he and Caesar had nothing to do with each other and the connection was solely with Kaido himself. Stop with the willful ignorance. You're completely brushing off the possibly of them knowing eachother in some way because you want to stick to your own headcanon.
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sanji was not after jack..not only it would be out of character for him
You really think that Sanji would leave someone who tortured females slip away ?
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Speak for yourself. There would be no need to report to Jack if he and Caesar had nothing to do with each other and the connection was solely with Kaido himself. Stop with the willful ignorance. You're completely brushing off the possibly of them knowing eachother in some way because you want to stick to your own headcanon.
What headcanon. This was explained 100 chapters ago.
Kaido needs Doula and Caesar to have Smiles. If one falls, then no Smiles.
Heck, Caesar himself doesn't know who is the Emperor that's buying Smiles. He treats the whole thing as a rumor himself.
"I heard one of the Yonkou has already amassed an ability user corps…"
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What I find strange is that he didn't say "Go tell Kaido about this".
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What I find strange is that he didn't say "Go tell Kaido about this".
I'm guessing he was simply having fun suiciding.Jack could simply be the closest person that could do something about it.
Zou was near Dressrosa/Punk Hazard at the time. Literally a day or two of travel.
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Jack could simply be the closest person that could do something about it.
Zou was near Dressrosa/Punk Hazard at the time. Literally a day or two of travel.
Jack wasn't on Zou at that time.
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One thing bothers me ; wherever Sanji went, he left without the Thousands Sunny… so how far can he actually go ?
Swimming. Rayleigh style, haha.
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What headcanon. This was explained 100 chapters ago. Kaido needs Doula and Caesar to have Smiles. If one falls, then no Smiles. Heck, Caesar himself doesn't know who is the Emperor that's buying Smiles. He treats the whole thing as a rumor himself. "I heard one of the Yonkou has already amassed an ability user corps…"
Caesar sells weapons as well. This isn't about "smiles". Caesar not knowing who bought smiles isn't entirely related to who he sells weapons to. The brokers who where in line to buy Shinokuni were related to Jack. It's entirely possible for Jack to buy weapons from Caesar on his own terms since Caesar sells them on his own terms without Doflamingo.
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Jack wasn't on Zou at that time.
Yes, he was. In fact, he was already fighting the minks when Luffy defeated Caesar.
Remember, he left on the 5th day of battle, the day Doula was defeated. This means Caesar was defeated on the 4th day of his fight against the minks.
This also explains why Jack didn't go after Luffy when Caesar was defeated. He was busy himself.
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@Helter:
Swimming. Rayleigh style, haha.
Probably got pissed off from not appearing in the manga and went to find Raftel by himself
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Caesar sells weapons as well. This isn't about "smiles". Caesar not knowing who bought smiles isn't entirely related to who he sells weapons to. The brokers who where in line to buy Shinokuni were related to Jack. It's entirely possible for Jack to buy weapons from Caesar on his own terms since Caesar sells them on his own terms.
Caesar uses Doula Mongo to sell and distribute his weapons.
Caesar making dealings personally himself would be risky, as he's supposed to be kept hidden. He needed a distributor (someone to transport the weapons). If people could just meet him, then Big Mom would have easily found him. Remember that he lived on an island that people were not supposed to find.
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Yes, he was. In fact, he was already fighting the minks when Luffy defeated Caesar.
Remember, he left on the 5th day of battle, the day Doula was defeated. This means Caesar was defeated on the 4th day of his fight against the minks.
Oh, right.
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I am still betting that the Curly Hat Members will allow the Mink tribe to beat up Caesar because it was his weapon that destroyed their country.
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You really think that Sanji would leave someone who tortured females slip away ?
If he saw Wanda cry while telling them what happened ?since he very well knows that his crew is at war with kaidou and it will only a matter of time before they see again,yes.
also,none of the tortured ones seems to be female actually,even wanda,one of the mosqueteer,was lying on the ground.
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since he very well knows that his crew is at war with kaidou and it will only a matter of time before they see again,yes.
also,none of the tortured ones seems to be female actually,even wanda,one of the mosqueteer,was lying on the ground.
also,it would be a stupid move in more than one way..and sanji has been many things recently,but he's not an idiot.Well, Sheepshead was going to crucify Tristan which would be a big no no in Sanji's book. I also wonder if Sanji would be attracted to the attractive female minks.
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since he very well knows that his crew is at war with kaidou and it will only a matter of time before they see again,yes.
That's not how his brain functions, cf. ; Absalom, Vergo.
also,none of the tortured ones seems to be female actually,even wanda,one of the mosqueteer,was lying on the ground.
They got beaten up, which is enough to make him mad (cf. Tashigi back in PH)
also,it would be a stupid move in more than one way..and sanji has been many things recently,but he's not an idiot.
He's not an idiot, but he has principles, golden rules that he follows even if he has to die for it. Like when he refused to kick Khalifa even though his life was in danger.
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Caesar uses Doula Mongo to sell and distribute his weapons. Caesar making dealings personally himself would be risky, as he's supposed to be kept hidden. He needed a distributor. Robin explained it neatly in the last chapter.
Did you skip over the Shinokuni half of PH? He was selling it himself and he wasn't hidden. The brokers knew who he was. They were watching him on their monitors.
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Caesar sells weapons as well. This isn't about "smiles". Caesar not knowing who bought smiles isn't entirely related to who he sells weapons to. The brokers who where in line to buy Shinokuni were related to Jack. It's entirely possible for Jack to buy weapons from Caesar on his own terms since Caesar sells them on his own terms without Doflamingo.
doflamingo is the broker here,whatever caesar is selling,he is doing it thorugh dofla's network..and since they were already on business with kaidou for the smiles,it makes sense that they would also been interested in buying his weapons of mass destruction..
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That's not how his brain functions, cf. ; Absalom, Vergo.
wait what?
in those occasion he was going against those guys to save someone (nami and tashigi),in this case you are saying he is just going vigilante for the sake of it..there's no one to save here..at best it's Caesar,but he is not female last time i checked,and i don't see sanji go all prince charming to get him back,ALONE,against a yonkou crew.They got beaten up, which is enough to make him mad (cf. Tashigi back in PH)
again,mad is something,but he has never been so mad to lose reason in the entire manga,of all the monster trio,it's actually the guy that use his brain the most
He's not an idiot, but he has principles, golden rules that he follows even if he has to die for it. Like when he refused to kick Khalifa even though his life was in danger.
and none of those principles are at stake here..,whatever damage to female has already been dealt..going commando alone or actually wait for his crew knowing that he is going against them anyway have the same effect here.he has no reason to go alone
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Did you skip over the Shinokuni half of PH? He was selling it himself and he wasn't hidden. The brokers knew who he was. They were watching him on their monitors.
He can sell his own stuff himself, but he still needs a distributor to bring his stuff to his clients. That's where Doula comes in.
Remember, Caesar couldn't just leave Punk Hazard (that's what I meant by hidden. He used PH as a base exactly because it was hard to reach) and go to, say, Kaido's base and give him the poison gas weapon (especially with people like Big Mom and the Marines searching for him). He needed somebody to distribute his stuff.
And considering that Kaidou was already using Doula to obtain Smiles, then why not use him to obtain Caesar's weapons while at it?
Don't ignore what Robin said. Kaido's connection with Caesar relies a lot on Doula Mongo, as the latter is the one that makes the cash and products flow. That much is stated.
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wait what?
in those occasion he was going against those guys to save someone (nami and tashigi),in this case you are saying he is just going vigilante for the sake of it..there's no one to save here..at best it's Caesar,but he is not female last time i checked,and i don't see sanji go all prince charming to get him back,ALONE,against a yonkou crew.Why wouldn't he have the same reaction after seeing that women were brutally beaten up by someone ?
again,mad is something,but he has never been so mad to lose reason in the entire manga,of all the monster trio,it's actually the guy that use his brain the most
The two other members are Zoro and Luffy, so that's not really hard lol.
and none of those principles are at stake here..,whatever damage to female has already been dealt..going commando alone or actually wait for his crew knowing that he is going against them anyway have the same effect here.he has no reason to go alone
I guess.
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In anyway, I think it's safe to say Sanji didn't go after Jack as he would have no way to find him, not to mention his presumed death. It would be stupid to search for a missing, possibly dead person that you didn't like.
The reasons behind Sanji's disappearance are probably related to his bounty or Caesar being kidnapped by Capone, the person who actually stated his intentions to get Caesar.
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Why wouldn't he have the same reaction after seeing that women were brutally beaten up by someone ?
because saving someone means that you can still do something for them while following jack for revenge accomplishes nothing other than being killed?
The two other members are Zoro and Luffy, so that's not really hard lol.
still,he is not that kind of guy