Sure but the note has the mark of a bear's paw.
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Sure but the note has the mark of a bear's paw.
So is the translation (nani mo suru na) right or wrong? If wrong what is the correct one?
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I was just joking around
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I was just joking around
Bartholomew Bear is right.I see. Well I feel silly now. Can't take things to literal I suppose.
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Yes. Four pages later.
There should be zero confusion on the matter after Law revealed his trick.
Same think going on with mink-lady this chapter. People are making up crazy theories that she's a transformed Nami that has learned to ride giant monsters, use a sword, change her speaking style and forget the strawhats. Rather than just going with "she's got Nami's clothes somehow."
It should be explained very quickly next chapter, and if after that the weird theories and confusion persist then… that's the reader's fault. And when it's ultimately in the trade, and the explanation is seperate from the cliffhanger by a page, instead of a week or time, it won't be a thing at all.
I agree, after rereading its pretty obvious Law is the most likely person to have sent that note, although truthfully it's not as obvious as you typically expect from one piece.
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From what I remember, I did think Monet saw Chopper, without me thinking she would join the crew. But that's helped by me not realizing there was a sound effect at that time. To me she seemed to be looking at the right direction and have decided to nothing about it.
As for crew integration, I don't think anyone was suppose to predict Robin(so much that she is the one to ask to join). In Monet case, from the get go she seemed to villainious for the crew but I was certain she would join Law as some kind of " I like your style, new kid trying to take on my boss and you seem to have a chance." Always thought the crew would ruin her but that Law coldness would go well with her behavior, and that Law being a normal pirate would go well with an actual villain.
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The only way Caesar would work is if the story spent some serious, serious time on giving Casar some sort of spiritual revelation in which he gradually becomes sane again and spends every ounce of his "reborn" self atoning for is past mistakes. It's not unheard of and has been not too uncommon in the realm of comic books, even with "sins" as great as his. Though even in that case he has a better chance of joining the revolutionaries than the Straw Hats. I mean, what role would he have there? He was a pretty mediocre scientist with no scruples. Would he fashion the Sunny with a variety of dirty bombs?
But honestly, at best he will become a comic pseudo-villain/pseudo ally and verbally dislikes the Straw Hats but begrudgingly respects them. Maybe become another Vander Decken out on a comic quest to put Monet's brain into the body of Nami or something equally absurd.
We're going to see a lot more Caesar discussion once he starts appearing in several chapters in a row and his comedy outshines his past villainy to some.
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Caesar getting honest to god redeemed is the thing I'm worried the most for in the Zou arc. At Punk Hazard a the guy was non-stop over-the-top iredeemable villain of Spandams caliber, and its just been what, a couple of weeks since then. If Arlong gets to be sealed in the NOPE, NOT GOING TO BRING THIS GUY BACK vault, then Caesar deserves too. OP isn't a series that dwells much on the past so I've always found its karmic/Moral compass very wonky, but Caesar pulling a Buggy now would make him One Pieces' very own Mayuri.
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Yeah, it would be pretty damn silly if it happened to Caesar in the Zou arc or arguably at all. The time would have been pre-timeskip so there could be some probably time-frame for such a 180. In Caesars' case, there's virtually nothing to be sympathetic about in regards to his character because all we have known is that he's a greedy, sniveling bastard with serious delusions of grandeur. While the same could be said of Buggy, Oda added much more lighter and comically tragic elements to his past to make him much more palatable in regards to being more likeable as a potential anti-hero. Even Doflamingo having a change of heart would make more sense simply because there's more complexity to his madness that could somehow be diverted (though that ship has since sailed), same goes for Arlong and (some of) Moria's crew. CC's doting loyalty to Doflamingo and fear of his more powerful enemies put him a bit more down to earth, but only by one small iota.
Otherwise he is much like the Celestial Dragons who otherwise have near zero redeeming qualities, other than being good for a laugh. So any possible redemption would have to re-explore CC's character and possibly backstory. Sorta like Arlong in Fishman Island's flashback.
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So…there is no "-ya" in the note per how Law talks? Well that takes away that given it was Law unless there is something I'm missing.
that's not how talking quirks work..it's not like law is gonna put the ya in a written message -_-
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that's not how talking quirks work..it's not like law is gonna put the ya in a written message -_-
Lol…that makes sense. I was asking because it was stated in the thread that Law stated it in the note.
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@Daz:
Caesar getting honest to god redeemed is the thing I'm worried the most for in the Zou arc. At Punk Hazard a the guy was non-stop over-the-top iredeemable villain of Spandams caliber, and its just been what, a couple of weeks since then. If Arlong gets to be sealed in the NOPE, NOT GOING TO BRING THIS GUY BACK vault, then Caesar deserves too. OP isn't a series that dwells much on the past so I've always found its karmic/Moral compass very wonky, but Caesar pulling a Buggy now would make him One Pieces' very own Mayuri.
Why be worried? Oda has never tried to "redeem" someone as nasty as Caesar. Luffy would never accept someone like him no matter what. This isn't Naruto. Buggy never got "reedeemed" either. He's still the same as he was when we met him. I don't remember any antagonists having "a change of heart". Even the people Luffy is friends with, like Hancock.
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Anyway, Caesar loves being a villain! We can't take that from him.
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Why be worried? Oda has never tried to "redeem" someone as nasty as Caesar. Luffy would never accept someone like him no matter what. This isn't Naruto. Buggy never got "reedeemed" either. He's still the same as he was when we met him. I don't remember any antagonists having "a change of heart". Even the people Luffy is friends with, like Hancock.
You're damn right on the comparison with Naruto :D
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Why be worried? Oda has never tried to "redeem" someone as nasty as Caesar. Luffy would never accept someone like him no matter what. This isn't Naruto. Buggy never got "reedeemed" either. He's still the same as he was when we met him. I don't remember any antagonists having "a change of heart". Even the people Luffy is friends with, like Hancock.
Hatchi's probably the closest one, though he was arguably simply led astray by Arlong and not truly a bad guy even back then. Possibly Bellamy, but we won't know for certain for a while as he's seriously conflicted, but he's changed to the extent that he no longer mocks big dreamers. Most other allies are still the same, just that they like Luffy now.
Buggy could be argued to have changed slightly. In Marineford, he saved the life of the very man he tried to execute in Loguetown, and he was genuinely moved to tears by an act of Luffy's generosity in Impel Down. That and his odd friendship with Mr 3 shows at least a sliver of a soft side. But such changes at the moment are fleeting as he is still a greedy bastard that only really cares about himself and would rather have himself be Pirate King than Luffy..
But yeah, One Piece sticks to more to the comic book strategy of not letting a good villain go to waste, in the sense that the series doesn't cheapen their villainy or their rough edges by making them "good guys" after a hug and a handshake. Same with not killing them off. Characters rarely flip sides either way unless they were already straddling the fence.
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From what I remember, I did think Monet saw Chopper, without me thinking she would join the crew. But that's helped by me not realizing there was a sound effect at that time. To me she seemed to be looking at the right direction and have decided to nothing about it.
As for crew integration, I don't think anyone was suppose to predict Robin(so much that she is the one to ask to join). In Monet case, from the get go she seemed to villainious for the crew but I was certain she would join Law as some kind of " I like your style, new kid trying to take on my boss and you seem to have a chance." Always thought the crew would ruin her but that Law coldness would go well with her behavior, and that Law being a normal pirate would go well with an actual villain.
I still think monet saw chopper. I know Robby will say I'm looking for an excuse think Monet is a decent human but objectively, in my opinion, there is little need for that panel if she didn't see chopper. When chopper crossed the doorway there were a lot of enemies present, why pick out monet? If she did hear something why didnt she say anything? All this adds up to a wasted panel if Monet just heard something and failed to react. There was no suspense for the reader created beforehand to suggest chopper had to be especially sneaky.
The same goes for showing Monet studying astronomy. Why show that panel? Oda has said he wants to pack the most action possible into each chapter, more than what most manga artists try to. He also has editors who help him organize what he wants to show so that every panel shown is important. This panel has no purpose unless Oda plans to expand Monet's story in the future. This doesn't necessarily mean she will join the crew, but I think ensures her story isn't done and opens the door for the possibility she may join the crew.
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…because Oda fleshes out his world and adds little details like that all time to tons of characters and place? Its not like adding the tiny bit of detail to Monet means he has to sacrifice giving a detail to someone else. It's what he does with tons of characters, including complete background characters.
Its not as if he's actually weighing and choosing every single panel in a heated debate of "will this or won't this matter more than a thing?" Sometimes he'll have a reaction shot just to add to a moment.
Now, entire pages, yes, he'll balance and consider those. But he's not breaking the world to have a panel of detail on something. Have you see the nonsense he crams into people's shirts?
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…because Oda fleshes out his world and adds little details like that all time to tons of characters and place? Its not like adding the tiny bit of detail to Monet means he has to sacrifice giving a detail to someone else. It's what he does with tons of characters, including complete background characters.
Its not as if he's actually weighing and choosing every single panel in a heated debate of "will this or won't this matter more than a thing?" Sometimes he'll have a reaction shot just to add to a moment.
Now, entire pages, yes, he'll balance and consider those. But he's not breaking the world to have a panel of detail on something. Have you see the nonsense he crams into people's shirts?
Yes, I have seen what he puts on peoples shirts. That is COMPLETELY different though. How often does he give out hints to the interests/aspirations of villians who are not important??
If Monet doesn't reappear, she would fit under the "non important villain" category. She was a lesser boss in that arc who was eventually "killed". Both Vergo and Ceasar were more important.
I'm not a complete expect at the extraneous detail like you seem to be. Which minor villians has Oda included easter eggs(in regards to their past and interests) for? If he doesn't do this often(or at all) then this is significant.
That panel has zero value without some significance for the astronomy easter egg. Her dialogue was a waste of space. I don't see many useless panels often but i'm not gunna go through 100,000 panels to determine how often Oda includes pointless panels.
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Here's a question for you, Joy Boy. When Monet was about to blow up Punk Hazard, she was fully ready to sacrifice herself for Doflamingo's sake, even thinking he would Pirate King. So, when she recovers and learns Luffy defeated him and is responsible for him being sent to Impel Down, do you think she'd just forget all about him and go seek Luffy out to join him over the far more likely option of going out to get revenge?
Her loyalty is to Doflamingo. She's not going to be a Straw Hat.
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@S.C.:
Here's a question for you, Joy Boy. When Monet was about to blow up Punk Hazard, she was fully ready to sacrifice herself for Doflamingo's sake, even thinking he would Pirate King. So, when she recovers and learns Luffy defeated him and is responsible for him being sent to Impel Down, do you think she'd just forget all about him and go seek Luffy out to join him over the far more likely option of going out to get revenge?
Her loyalty is to Doflamingo. She's not going to be a Straw Hat.
Solid evidence, I haven't much to say lol
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
I'm not a complete expect at the extraneous detail like you seem to be. Which minor villians has Oda included easter eggs(in regards to their past and interests) for? If he doesn't do this often(or at all) then this is significant.
Depends on exactly how much depth or character building you're looking for, but I'm going to have to say…most of them? Especially if you count the cover stories.
Axe Hand Morgan got a flashback in the middle of Kuro's arc that explained how he lost his jaw... Buggy got a flashback to hanging out with Shanks... And Arlong and all his cronies got a lot of fleshing out at Fishman Island... Wapol married Miss Universe got a dog and built a company... Hancock and her sisters got a developed backstory... most of the sub villains have quirks of some sort of another... (such as Mr. 3 fitting money puns into all his dialogue)
If you count cover stories, or SBS, pretty much all of the get some extra detail, from minion to Supernova to Warlord. We've seen shots of a ton of characters in their childhoods that give details about them, such as Perona once had a real bear named Kuma-A... which leads to the realization that her stuffed doll Kuma-cey is probably the third and she had a second in there and she's probably so attached to the stuffed bear because she had one as a kid.
The entirety of Boroque Works had their true lifelong dreams revealed, (such as Mr. 1 wanting to be a super hero) and CP9 showed off their goofier side in cover story but in the course of it we learned exactly how they're trained from childhood by the government.
I dunno. Depends on what you're looking for... but Oda fleshes out his characters and gives them backhistories and lives constantly. It's not in any way unique to Monet. Hell, we've seen way more of Vergo now, since he had soldiers that loved him, he was in Law's flashback, and has that quirk of food sticking to face.
Monet and Vergo are probably going to get coverstory treatment, along with the remaining odds and ends of Dofla's group.
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Depends on exactly how much depth or character building you're looking for, but I'm going to have to say…most of them? Especially if you count the cover stories.
Axe Hand Morgan got a flashback in the middle of Kuro's arc that explained how he lost his jaw... Buggy got a flashback to hanging out with Shanks... And Arlong and all his cronies got a lot of fleshing out at Fishman Island... Wapol married Miss Universe got a dog and built a company... Hancock and her sisters got a developed backstory... most of the sub villains have quirks of some sort of another... (such as Mr. 3 fitting money puns into all his dialogue)
If you count cover stories, or SBS, pretty much all of the get some extra detail, from minion to Supernova to Warlord. We've seen shots of a ton of characters in their childhoods that give details about them, such as Perona once had a real bear named Kuma-A... which leads to the realization that her stuffed doll Kuma-cey is probably the third and she had a second in there and she's probably so attached to the stuffed bear because she had one as a kid.
The entirety of Boroque Works had their true lifelong dreams revealed, (such as Mr. 1 wanting to be a super hero) and CP9 showed off their goofier side in cover story but in the course of it we learned exactly how they're trained from childhood by the government.
I dunno. Depends on what you're looking for... but Oda fleshes out his characters and gives them backhistories and lives constantly. It's not in any way unique to Monet. Hell, we've seen way more of Vergo now, since he had soldiers that loved him, he was in Law's flashback, and has that quirk of food sticking to face.
Monet and Vergo are probably going to get coverstory treatment, along with the remaining odds and ends of Dofla's group.
I'm not actually talking about cover stories. Of course cover stories would add that kind of detail. I'm talking about within the arcs they are introduced before any potential cover story
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Edward Weeble has the shape of such toy,
No he doesn't .
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By the way, if you don't mind me asking
, what did you find for Karai Bari/Calai Bali Island in chapter 803? I've been looking on an atlas and apparently there's a place in India named Karai Bari but it seems too much of a loose end.Well this should highlight your problem right here.
The difference between guys like you and Stephen is your research doesn't actually match up when you're lacking in being fluent in Japanese, let alone on the level of a professional translator. You're missing half the discipline to make the judgement calls you think you're capable of.
Just random researching is not a discipline, it's stabbing in the google dark and making connections based off assumption and weak evidence.
In this case here you got excited over a random coincidental similarity because google searching returned the mere existence of a place in India.Geography however is what, not your specialty I presume? Either? Do you know enough to say whether a google return on the mere existence of a place "sharing" a name with one fanslation romanization has any meaning or not?
Karai Bari is a village in a area within a district in one of India's armpit out of the way provinces. Of zero significance.I'll credit you enough to not actually have pursued this one, but it goes to show doesn't it? Googling and reading at random is not a method.`
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
I still think monet saw chopper. I know Robby will say I'm looking for an excuse think Monet is a decent human but objectively, in my opinion, there is little need for that panel if she didn't see chopper. When chopper crossed the doorway there were a lot of enemies present, why pick out monet? If she did hear something why didnt she say anything? All this adds up to a wasted panel if Monet just heard something and failed to react. There was no suspense for the reader created beforehand to suggest chopper had to be especially sneaky.
The same goes for showing Monet studying astronomy. Why show that panel? Oda has said he wants to pack the most action possible into each chapter, more than what most manga artists try to. He also has editors who help him organize what he wants to show so that every panel shown is important. This panel has no purpose unless Oda plans to expand Monet's story in the future. This doesn't necessarily mean she will join the crew, but I think ensures her story isn't done and opens the door for the possibility she may join the crew.
This was the dumbest theory ever when it first showed up, so I what does that say about someone who stills flies that flag a million years later long after everyone else forgot about the utterly forgettable character of Monet.
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Monkey King is right. For your future research, use only wikipedia.
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Also almost every Straw Hat had significantly large panels when they were introduced that showed off most of their design. Carrot doesn't have that.
You post made my mind scream Weevil shiruhige lol
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This x 100
Hell the theories have been even stretched for women who only appeared in one freaking panel or side characters as Shirley, Camie, Baby 5 and and and…
Still the worst for me has been the Shirahoshi supporters... And how she could pull the ship like a slave
You last line made me laugh [emoji23] [emoji23]
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
I'm not actually talking about cover stories. Of course cover stories would add that kind of detail. I'm talking about within the arcs they are introduced before any potential cover story
So you'll ignore giant chunks of the manga including cover stories and sbs and lengthy in-story flashbacks and defined character quirks for dozens (hundreds) of characters… yet fixate on one single panel and take it completely out of context adding ambiguity that simply isn't there at all, as long as it furthers your personal fanfic?
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@Monkey:
No he doesn't .
Well, to be fair he does…
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Weevil is based on an elephant. Hence his name, which in japanese is Elephant Bug.
One you realize he's an elephant,and look at him from the side or back, there really shouldn't be any argument. He's not based on an obscure american toy from the 70's that happens to vaguely match a google search that looks nothing like him. But instead, you know. an elephant. Like the chapter title.
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Robby will say no, she's not joining because she didn't meet Luffy first, doesn't have an interesting fighting style and so far we have no indication of tragic backstory or dream
though I'd guess if she did join her nationality would be china right?
she does have an intresting look I'll give her that, but she won't be joing…... plus monkey ninja
Usopp met franky first before luffy did…
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Weevil is based on an elephant. Hence his name, which in japanese is Elephant Bug.
One you realize he's an elephant,and look at him from the side or back, there really shouldn't be any argument. He's not based on an obscure american toy from the 70's that happens to vaguely match a google search that looks nothing like him. But instead, you know. an elephant. Like the chapter title.
I thought he was based on the weevil beetle (which I suppose is this elephant bug).
This is like saying that Jinbe is based on a whale because he is a whale shark (which aren't whales at all).
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Yes, it IS referring to the bug, but its an English/Japanese thing. In English the pun doesn't work at all, the same way you lose out on the fact that Kuma is "Bear".
The Japanese name for a weevil is 'zoumushi' which literally means, 'elephant bug'…. and he is very clearly based on an elephant Just look at him!
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[/hide]Hence, zou was referring to both the elephant island… and the warlord.
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Weevil is based on an elephant. Hence his name, which in japanese is Elephant Bug.
One you realize he's an elephant,and look at him from the side or back, there really shouldn't be any argument. He's not based on an obscure american toy from the 70's that happens to vaguely match a google search that looks nothing like him. But instead, you know. an elephant. Like the chapter title.
Never stated that he was based on that toy. He does look like it though.
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Monkey King is right. For your future research, use only wikipedia.
You realize I have a Bachelors in Geography right lol.
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Well, to be fair he does…
His torso vaguely resembles one if you squint….? Maybe?
Clearly this is enough evidence to argue with the person who translates for a living.
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So you'll ignore giant chunks of the manga including cover stories and sbs and lengthy in-story flashbacks and defined character quirks for dozens (hundreds) of characters… yet fixate on one single panel and take it completely out of context adding ambiguity that simply isn't there at all, as long as it furthers your personal fanfic?
You are so salty. haha. Its not even worth having a conversation with you because you come across as a conceited prick. But, alas, some people's ego rides on being important in an anime forum. lolz. So, by all means keep arguing using ad hominem
! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem to attempt to make yourself appear greater than others. I suppose some people can't debate any other way. smh
! Here comes the BAN HAMMER
Seriously though, this is a forum for discussion. Your language is out of line, I have not demeaned you once. I don't care if you have had this discussion before many times and are tired of it. It's something I feel is worthy of discussion. You can choose not to participate. Or perhaps even better, you could argue your point in a way that doesn't piss people off… That would actually help your ability to convince others of your opinions.
I looked up the chapter where Monet reacts to chopper and noticed choppers footsteps for the first time(I missed it because manga panda didn't translate and I had never looked so closely). That supports your view, however, it would have been a lot easier to end that particular argument if you just to have mentioned this fact (if you knew it). Rather than mock me, and pretend as though i'm refusing to hear your arguments. p.s you didn't make any convincing arguments. Not everyone has stalked one piece forums for 8 years and has read every possible discussion.
However, I do find difficulties on your problem with "fixating on one single panel". If you haven't heard, Oda likes to forshadow. :ninja:
This can be in scenes, over a page or..yes.. in a single panel. Here's some examples if you don't believe me.
1.! http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/589/7 (Middle panel. Sabo is alive)
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! http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/504/6 (this is the age of "smiles")
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! http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/224/15 (Middle panel. Places we've been and places we will go.)
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! http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/501/18 (Middle-right. Tribes we have met and tribes we will meet.)
5. Many of Usopp's lies.You get the point i'm sure. Oda leaves Easter egg's for us to find, some more obvious than others. To claim fixating on a single panel may be a bad idea is ludicrous. I am merely conversing about my particular views on a single panel. You don't seem to recognize the difference between fixation and conversation. And even if I was fixating it's this sort of keen observation which elicits good discussion, at least in my opinion.
But let's get back to Monet for a second, and her interest in astronomy. You say i'm "ignor(ing) giant chunks of the manga etc….". NO, I am not. I am organizing them into their particular categories(which is ironic because you are usually the organization guy).
I'm going to go ahead and state my hypothesis(which I guess you would call fan fiction but is likely to be at least partially accurate). I believe Oda has dropped at least 2 hints that Monet's "dream" involves astronomy/space. The first clue is obvious. Oda specifically drew an 'astronomy' on a book on Monet's desk. Second, we know that law operated on the people of punk hazard so that they would be man-beasts. All of them except one though got this surgery out of necessity. Monet was the only person on the island who volunteered to become a man-beast without any apparent reason. The choice of harpy is pretty interesting since Oda chose to tell us about her interest in astronomy. This suggest to me that whatever she's looking to obtain from astronomy books(general or specific knowledge) may be more than a passing interest but something she desperately desires. In my opinion she could have wanted wings so that she could be closer to the stars(or some such garbage). I think most people would agree this is a fair theory, albeit without any "hard" evidence. You could argue that perhaps she just fancied herself with wings, and, frankly, there's not any material that could specifically reject this. However, there no reason to say thats the case either. Thus, it's speculation either way.
The fact that Oda perhaps let us in on Monet's "dreams" is really interesting. Robby says Oda does this all the time, but does he??
This is also my opinion, so feel free to disagree… but not all forms of foreshadowing/ character development are created equal. For instance, the SBS stuff is pretty much always "fun facts" that weren't worth putting in the actual manga. I place information obtained by SBS below(in order of significance to the story) information obtained in the actual manga. Therefore Oda wanting to show Monet's astronomy interest(perhaps hinting at her dream) within the actual manga carries more weight than Oda adding addition "fun facts" in SBS's which are not necessary for the story hence their exclusion. But the line between cover stories/ in story-flash backs and the "main story" is much thinner. (I'm not saying cover stories/ flash-backs aren't the part of the story, they are, just separating the manga into parts).
So back to dreams. Which characters have had their dreams revealed? In what parts of the manga(flashbacks, cover stories or the main story) does Oda reveal(or hint at) a characters dreams? And what are these dreams?
Let's start with the character's who were once or still are major antagonists who have gotten cover stories or flashbacks(flashbacksdefined as a mini arc, not a brief blurb).
! Helmeppo: Currently a marine officer of little importance. No revealed dreams yet.
Dreams: It could be assumed he wants to be a marine of some significance, but there isn't much to support that at the moment.
! Buggy: He is a major reoccurring character and currently a shichibukai. He is an important gag character. I don't think buggy has any specific dreams, but the hints to what he wants occur first in the main story, with his flash-backs and cover story emphasizing what we already know.
Dreams: It's not specifically stated but I think it's fair to say Buggy dreams of being great, wealthy and powerful based on his actions. Also probably dreams of revenge for those he feels has wronged him. Jango: Currently he's a marine of little significance. No revealed dreams yet.Dreams: It's probably fair to say he may want to be a great marine, however, this is not really supported yet.
! Hachi: He is now a friend of the strawhats, and is of little to no significance. His dreams were revealed in the main story, his cover story merely intending to update his whereabouts and develop his character.
Dreams: His only significant revealed dream is of being accepted in human society. This was hinted at by his unusual kindness towards humans in the arlong arc and confirmed in the fishman island arc.
! Wapol: He is the king of drum island and has little significance to the overall story as of right now. No revealed dreams yet.Dreams: His dreams have not been specifically stated, but his actions suggest he wants power and it's associated benefits. Nico Robin: Currently a straw hat and a very important character. Her dreams are revealed in the main story(sky island) and given context in her flashback.
Dream(s): To find the Rio Ponteglyph and uncover the true history.
! Baroque Works(everyone else):Crocodile, Mr.1, Mr.2 and Mr.3 are reoccurring characters with some importance. Crocodiles dream is first hinted in the main story(acquire Alabasta/ Pluton for power/kill whitebeard). The cover story is used to keep him relevant and set him up to be reintroduced into the story.
Dreams: No specific "dreams" are revealed for most of the characters, but it can be assumed crocodile wants power of some sort.
! Enel: Supposedly, he is now the ruler of the moon. He is of little significance, but the potential is there for more action in the story. His dream was first revealed in the main story, with his cover story showing him achieving his dream.
Dreams: His dream was to return to and perhaps rule over fairy vearth(which he accomplished). He has stated he does not actually believe he is "the god", it's unclear whether he dreams of being god.
! Gedatsu: is currently on the vearth and owns a hot springs resort. He is currently of no significance. No obvious dreams yet.
Dreams: No hint at any dreams.
! Rob Lucci: He is currently a member of CP-0 and an important reoccurring character. His dreams(if that's what that was) was first revealed during the main story, and the cover story is used mainly to explain how Lucci and CP9 escaped justice and surviving.
Dreams: Lucci has said he wants "blood", perhaps meaning he dreams of battle and the ability to defeat his enemies. Its possible he dreams of world order or something similar.
! Caribou: A pirate who is currently captured by X-Drake, and is of little significance. No revealed dreams yet, but most of his apparent ambition were first revealed during the main story.
Dreams: No revealed dreams. but his dreams most likely involve causing death, gaining wealth and power.So why does this matter? This is only to illustrate the purpose of cover stories. They show us what happens to character A so that when we next meet him we know why he's there. It also serves to flesh out the previous antagonists more, usually so that we can come to like them and accept them as future strawhat allies. All of the main characters in the cover stories seemed to show at least a bit of humanity, and the majority of them seem to have changed their ways. Cover stories so far are not used to reveal a characters dreams or aspirations.. at all(ignoring superfluous stuff like dreaming to own a takoyaki shop).
In regards to flashback mini arcs, these are saved exclusively for Strawhat members and law(i'm assuming Jinbei is already a Strawhat). Side note This could mean Law will be a future Strawhat, but is probably only supposed to indicate he is vital to the story. Unlike antagonists, in general, Strawhat crew members ALWAYS have unique, well articulated dreams. These dreams are also not focused on material gain or power. The flashback arcs never introduce their dreams, but they always add at least some context.
! Strawhats Dreams
1. Luffy: To find the one piece and be the pirate king. Ultimately he wants to live free. (captain)
2. Zoro: Wants to be the best swordsman alive. (swordsman)
3. Nami: Wants to draw a complete map of the world. (navigation)
4. Usopp: Wants to be a brave warrior of the sea. (coward)
5. Sanji: Wants to find the all blue. (cook)
6. Chopper: Wants to be able to cure any illness. (Doctor)
7. Nico Robin: Want to discover the true history. (Historian)
8. Franky: Wants to sail around the world in a ship he built.
9. Brook: Wants to reunite with his long lost crew mate, laboon. (musician)
10.(not yet a straw hat) Jinbe: Wants friendship between humans and fishmen. (fishman)When we look at the antagonists, their dreams(or my guess at their dreams) are all either unknown or related to power/wealth/strength etc. Except Monet, if her things astronomy.. They also don't need a cover story or a immediate flashback to give good hints about what it may or may not be. Which is why I said to ignore them. f.y.i
This suggest Oda doesn't normally hint at antagonistic characters having unique, potentially light hearted dreams unless they eventually become a straw hats. This of course isn't definite, but it IS interesting.Luffy has said he wants 10 nakama, or just 1 more if we include Luffy. I'm going to assume that doesn't count his allies.
This is what is required for being a strawhat.! Requirement:
1. Unique, well defined dream.
2. Unique role on the crew.
3. As Robby says, a clearly thought out design.
4. They must have a tragic past/ some sort of trial they are overcoming/have overcame.
4. If they are male, their backstories and dreams are revealed during the arc. Females****ba had their backstory/Dreams revealed later.- Males always help fight an enemy in the arcs they are introduced. Females don't.
6. The starting fighting caliber of the members scales with each new nakama. i.e New strawhats start off stronger than older nakama
7. They can not have a crew.
8. They must also have distinct personalities and mannerisms.
9. Lastly they must be good-hearted, but this doesn't have to be obvious when you first meet them.
This is the obvious patterns we can recognize. Some of this isn't set in stone, but it provides a good basis for speculation. Given this info, it's not outrageous to think Monet could join. Some of you guys predicted Bartolomeo, Rebecca, and pretty much every other new character introduced in dressrosa… and none of them fulfilled the necessary requirement nearly as well. You can compare, but it's obvious to me Monet could fit better if she is indeed an astronomer with dreams of the sky. Bartolomeo would be a close second except he has a crew which is an automatic denial. You can laugh at Monet if you like, but first laugh at yourselves if you are going to be so pretentious.
Robby has said, though, that Monet's design is not unique and well thought out enough to be a strawhat??
I completely disagree. Monet has bright green hair and deathly pail skin and amber eyes. All of which are very uncommon/unique. She also sometimes wears unique thick lens almost bulls-eye glasses. Oh, and she's a bird lady. I know Robby's argument is there were several harpies during the punk-hazard arc.The wings were the same thing as all of Brownbeard's crew, and so was unique in that there were about 20 people with the exact same thing going on in that arc
I have reread the arc and checked the wiki and i'm pretty sure 1. There were no harpies in Brownbeards crew and 2. There were no other harpies on punk hazard except Monet. Perhaps I missed it, if so link me. Otherwise Monet is plenty unique enough to join the Strawhats. Heck even if there were a few more law altered I still think she's unique enough, but you don't have to agree. Harpy not being an actual race means you won't find another like her again in the story. I also think your standards are bias because there have only been 2 females to join the Strawhats, both of which are less unique than Monet. Oda is probably pressured to make women look a certain way if they join the crew(sexy) which would explain the boob growth and facial changes seen. I don't see you your argument.
Let's also discuss this statement.
Monet was NOT a quiet blushy shy girl with a heart of gold working for the badguy with no idea of what she was really doing, no matter how much someone wanted it to be so
I have some points regarding this:
! 1. "When commented on her looks and being told of her beauty, she bashfully blushed despite the serious situation. She also tried to cover herself with her wings and her knees buckle, suggesting she was rather shy to compliments. " - wiki
lol… clearly you have missed something most of us get.
2. How can you be sure she's not good hearted? You're fanficing just as much as I am, because neither of us know the truth. Monet has shown an incredible repertoire of personality types, any of which could be how she really feels.
3. We have seen/heard of some characters doing awful things, and ending up being good at heart. 'Bartolomeo the cannibal'. Duval was a slaver. Hachi/Jinbe destroyed villages and families. Robin was an assassin. Nami the thief. Mr. 2 was a utility bad guy. Boa Handcock has killed thousands if not more. Law can be a killing machine if he's provoked to act. Perona had no qualms with killing. Your beloved Brownbeard was a nasty pirate. Crocodile(if he's an ally) is capable of anything. Abdullah and jeet were psycho's. Need I say more? These guys show their true colors when they/after they encounter the straw hats. Almost all of them follow orders. I understand most of these people are 'allies' not crew members but you can't exclude anyone until you know why they are acting as they do.
4. Several of the lower doflamingo subordinates have already proven to be decent people(Baby 5, Senior Pink). If it weren't for their loyalty to doflamingo, their history would probably be a lot different. We know why Baby 5 committed atrocities, we have no idea what Monet's motivations are. Hence, its worthy of discussion.That last points brings up a good point though. The biggest question i've found regarding this is Monet seems deathly loyal to doflamingo. How/why would she ever be a straw hat?
This I can't answer. However, without more info on her past ect. we can't definitively say this is a deal breaker. It's the biggest hole in the theory though, for sure.So… let's go back to our requirements for being a straw hat and see how Monet fits/ doesn't fit.
! 1. There aren't many roles left to be filled on the straw hat crew. Astronomer would be one. In fact, I can't even think of a decent 2nd option but if you can plz add your ideas. check
2. If she's an astronomer, she's likely to have some unique dream related to the sky/stars/moons. check
3. Monet has a unique design, even though she is a bit standardized. Every other woman on the crew is more standard. check
4. In an SBS Oda has said doflamingo is good at finding broken people. This would indicate a tragic past of some kind for Monet. check
4. Being a female, it isn't required for us to already be formally introduced to her past/dreams. check
5.No female crew mate has helped fight enemies in the arc they are first introduced. check
6. Monet would be the ONLY logia on the crew. As the last to join this would be consistent with the expected fighting ability of the 11th member. check
7. She does not have a crew at the moment(if she's alive). check
8. Her personality is vastly different than Robins despite what Robby thinks. She much more charismatic, sociable, flurtatious ect. Very different. She also licks her lips. check
9. As we have seen throughout the serious, the straw hats light heartedness and determination change people. Is monet bad to the bone? idk. We need her to reappear. so for now checkYou can continue to claim i'm looking for reasons to think she will join, but it's ignorant. This isn't fan fiction. Everything i've said is supported with evidence. This is a ton of evidence. I'm not saying "Monet will join!!! NO DOUBT", but to disregard the possibility is laughable. Given we are between arcs she's actually the best candidate we have at the moment, which is why i'm defending it. It has nothing to do with boobs, or some sort of fanatical devotion.
If you need actual panels for everything I just said I can provide them.
- Males always help fight an enemy in the arcs they are introduced. Females don't.
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….But yeah, she's still not joining due to that aforementioned "Undying loyalty to Doflamingo" issue I mentioned before. And that's not even including her being complicit in Caesar's deadly experiments on kids.
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Rob Lucci actually noticed Luffy in EL without telling Spandam yet he isn't on the crew, so how would Monet noticing Chopper (which she didn't) mean that she will join?
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That is a long way to go for awful fanfic.
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That is a long way to go for awful fanfic.
Insightful as always
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Rob Lucci actually noticed Luffy in EL without telling Spandam yet he isn't on the crew, so how would Monet noticing Chopper (which she didn't) mean that she will join?
I didn't say that?
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Why are people still talking about Monet? She's dead, get over it. If Oda wanted her alive he wouldn't had her stabbed through the heart, crushed under an entire mountain range, and petrified by poisonous gas.
Also her DF doesn't fit the 2.9 2.9 pattern.
I'd be more interested fruits that fit that pattern than don't. If we have at least 2 more members joining and 1 is Jinbe, then the remaining is going to be a DF user given the number theory/hint from the SBS.
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Why are people still talking about Monet? She's dead, get over it. If Oda wanted her alive he wouldn't had her stabbed through the heart, crushed under an entire mountain range, and petrified by poisonous gas.
Also her DF doesn't fit the 2.9 2.9 pattern.
I'd be more interested fruits that fit that pattern than don't. If we have at least 2 more members joining and 1 is Jinbe, then the remaining is going to be a DF user given the number theory/hint from the SBS.
I doubt Oda would stick to that numeric if he knows his secret is out. That would be a total buzz kill for the nakama reveal.
I don't think any villain has died in the entire one piece manga.. so I doubt he would choose to kill 2 minor bosses in Monet and/or Vergo.
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Monet is dead until proven otherwise. Lets move along guys and lets stop talking about her because her relevance ended 2 arcs ago.
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LoL the discussion was already over and Horizon tries to put an end to it with the post that started it.
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Monet is dead until proven otherwise. Lets move along guys and lets stop talking about her because her relevance ended 2 arcs ago.
Couldn't disagree more. Oda only kills when it's necessary. 2 confirmed deaths in 800 chapters suggests life for Monet and Vergo. Especially when the only 2 deaths are good guys not mini bosses.
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
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Is this… the reincarnation of... AGOG!? :blink:
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….But yeah, she's still not joining due to that aforementioned "Undying loyalty to Doflamingo" issue I mentioned before. And that's not even including her being complicit in Caesar's deadly experiments on kids.
I really wonder what you guys would think of Robin if you knew what she was involved in pre-SH.
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Is this… the reincarnation of... AGOG!? :blink:
I'm not a person to usually put down absolute opinions, but Monet aint dead haha Thats obvious. This is 'sabo is alive' level stuff.
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I really wonder what you guys would think of Robin if you knew what she was involved in pre-SH.
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I'm not a person to usually put down absolute opinions, but Monet aint dead haha Thats obvious. This is 'sabo is alive' level stuff.
He knows Monet isn't dead, Kishido is just referring to your super large post. Agog's posts bordered on legendary with how large she made them.
