… And why are you under the impression that him being right would be a good thing?
To begin with, doesn't it directly contradicts his conversation with Rayleigh, when he said that the Pirate King is the one who has most freedom on the seas, specificaly refusing the "It is he who conquers all" interpretation of the title?
How can you be free if you are constantly running away from obstacles that restrict your freedom?
That's not being free at all.
… And why are you under the impression that him being right would be a good thing?
To begin with, doesn't it directly contradicts his conversation with Rayleigh, when he said that the Pirate King is the one who has most freedom on the seas, specificaly refusing the "It is he who conquers all" interpretation of the title?
he wants to be the person with the most freedom
you are only free to do what you want when you are above the others
The blood donations will be the reason they get away. Fujitora donated. We have already seen normal marines collapse…
The blood donations will be the reason they get away. Fujitora donated. We have already seen normal marines collapse…
I'd say you're right. It will allow Luffy to beat him, but not truly "beat" him, if that makes any sense at all.
That's just rude, Luffy. Issho was just helping the rebecca kingdom with its debris and rubles but what did you do?
You haki imbued Gear 3rd'd the blind man. Good thing he's strong and you're a weak ass pirate who happens to just won against another warlord through character induced stupidity. The world doesn't revolve around you so nobody cares if you don't have what it takes to be the next pirate King. Admirals and Emperors would beat your wea… wait... You're the main protagonist. You are going to be THE Pirate King... Someday. But don't be too cocky just because you have plot armor. Though I commend you for being brave enough to fight an admiral alone at this point , i still dont like what you did against a person with disability lol. Typical pirate.
How can you be free if you are constantly running away from obstacles that restrict your freedom?
That's not being free at all.
… I think you might be confusing freedom with foolhardiness.
Also, while we are aware of Luffy's status as a protagonist, he is not. Therefore, he cannot be sure he won't die, because he decided "Boy, two years of training means I can take on guys Ol Whitebeard was unable to beat".
And if you are dead, there is no freedom at all, in the end, is there?
@S.C.:
But actually getting to Rafteal means he's going to have to make it past the Emperors, and the WG wouldn't just let him get too close to it. He knows he's going to have to beat the best to get there.
But Fuji is not actually blocking his path, is he? He is going to beat the best to get there, sure. But there should also be price to be payed for being reckless.
Hell, wasn't that the very first lesson we learned during the fight with Croc? Or Aokiji, for that manner?
Again, this does not seem to be confidence, but principles.
I thought his first and foremost principle was to never lose anybody ever again after Ace.
You know, the guy who stupidly challenged Admiral instead of running and died?
Hmph. I get what are you trying to say here, but I will still argue it's really silly.
And his allies could definitely fight back some rubble if Fujitora throws some of it at them. Zoro could, Robin too, Franky as well, and then there's Bartolomeo and his barriers, Cavendish/Hakuba, Chinjao and Sai, Hajrudin…
If the Straw Hats can fight back against some cannonballs pitched by Garp, then some of them + Gladiators can fight back against rubble.
And you guess they can block the entire island worth of rubble. At the same time. And meteors, let's not forget Fuji can bring down those as he wishes.
And they have enough stamina to keep this up, while protecting the guys that cannot block meteors.
That is assuming that Fuji will stick to his most basic attacks for the entire time.
And that he will not crush them with wide field of gravity that won't allow them to move while he drops meteors on them.
Lastly, that Luffy can actually win.
Not really. Since, a guy who has to run away from every big shot he faces isn't exactly what I would call a free person.
So basically, Luffy's interpretation was wrong to begin with?
For example, you have read the first half of One Piece. Were you under the impression that Luffy was not free in that part? Because that is what you seem to be implying, correct?
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he wants to be the person with the most freedom
you are only free to do what you want when you are above the others
Funny.
That sounds exactly like Doffy and Celestial Dragons.
But Fuji is not actually blocking his path, is he?
He's trying to capture him, so yes, he is.
Loved the ending. Really cool ,moment for Luffy. Though, I don't think the fight will truly or fairly end. I don't think now is the time for a fight against an admiral.
He was doing that pre-time skip and he doesn't want to do that anymore, because otherwise training those two years would have been pointless.
Yeah, I get that's what this is going for, but seeing him grow slightly more reasonable would be cool. I thought Sabaody was a sign and that his evolving techniques at Punk Hazard might've been a sign, but that's obviously not what this is going for.
Funny.
That sounds exactly like Doffy and Celestial Dragons.
that sounds nothing like doffy
doffy wanted to destroy the world,not to do what he wanted
the celestial dragons are a good analogy,and an example for why you need power to have freedom…they have it because of birth rights and status ,luffy has to acquire that through sheer force..just getting to raftel is notta gonna give him any freedom by itself
Yeah, I get that's what this is going for, but seeing him grow slightly more reasonable would be cool. I thought Sabaody was a sign and that his evolving techniques at Punk Hazard might've been a sign, but that's obviously not what this is going for.
I think Mr. 2 sacrificing himself twice and having to rely on Kuma to save them as Saboady had a big impact on him. It's not just his crew he cares for, I don't think he would want anyone of the allies here to sacrifice themselves so he can escape. That's why he's making a stand.
… I think you might be confusing freedom with foolhardiness.
Also, while we are aware of Luffy's status as a protagonist, he is not. Therefore, he cannot be sure he won't die, because he decided "Boy, two years of training means I can take on guys Ol Whitebeard was unable to beat".
And if you are dead, there is no freedom at all, in the end, is there?
But Fuji is not actually blocking his path, is he? He is going to beat the best to get there, sure. But there should also be price to be payed for being reckless.
Hell, wasn't that the very first lesson we learned during the fight with Croc? Or Aokiji, for that manner?
I thought his first and foremost principle was to never lose anybody ever again after Ace.
You know, the guy who stupidly challenged Admiral instead of running and died?
Hmph. I get what are you trying to say here, but I will still argue it's really silly.
And you guess they can block the entire island worth of rubble. At the same time. And meteors, let's not forget Fuji can bring down those as he wishes.
And they have enough stamina to keep this up, while protecting the guys that cannot block meteors.
That is assuming that Fuji will stick to his most basic attacks for the entire time.
And that he will not crush them with wide field of gravity that won't allow them to move while he drops meteors on them.
Lastly, that Luffy can actually win.
So basically, Luffy's interpretation was wrong to begin with?
For example, you have read the first half of One Piece. Were you under the impression that Luffy was not free in that part? Because that is what you seem to be implying, correct?
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Funny.
That sounds exactly like Doffy and Celestial Dragons.
He can't be the most free man in the sea if there are people out there that can make him run away.
Remember, the 2-year training was done for a major reason: to surpass the obstacles of the New World so that what happened in Sabaody doesn't repeat. This includes the likes of Admirals and Emperors. We know Luffy wants to beat all the Emperors, so it's only normal that he wants to beat any Admiral in his way as well.
Now, about Rayleigh and Luffy's interpretations, it appears that Luffy's interpretation is a direct consequence of Rayleigh's. Luffy does need to beat all those in his way, but he wants to do it for freedom, not for the sake of being the best/strongest, which is probably what Rayleigh was talking about.
This is all I'm going to say in the matter. I do not think there are any contradictions on what Luffy is doing right now and his interpretation of a Pirate King.
By the way, Luffy is not the kind of guy who thinks "Whitebeard had no chance against an Admiral, so what are my odds?", especially after 2 years of training, where the Admirals are different and Luffy now has access to stuff like Haki, allowing to properly fight back.
So basically, Luffy's interpretation was wrong to begin with?
No. He said that he doesn't want to conquer anybody. He just wants to be free.
If being free requires standing your ground against someone much stronger, then so be it.
For example, you have read the first half of One Piece. Were you under the impression that Luffy was not free in that part? Because that is what you seem to be implying, correct?
That is exactly what I am saying.
He wants to be the Pirate King.
If he truly considered himself free, wouldn't he actually be the Pirate King according to his own interpretation?
I expect that next week we will see gomu gomu no Elephant Gattling for the second time.
It seems to be perfect attack to counter debris flying over island.
Luffy is weakened, Fujitora donated blood and has to keep debris flying so I guess we will see only some few pages of action and then escape sceme of all pirates.
I wish that we would see Doflamingos face when Marines take him away on warship and he is cuffed same way as Ace was - so we will see his face and his expression when he will see Dressrosa getting smaller and smaller as transporting him Warship goes further away from "his kingdom"..
@S.C.:
I think Mr. 2 sacrificing himself twice and having to rely on Kuma to save them as Saboady had a big impact on him. It's not just his crew he cares for, I don't think he would want anyone of the allies here to sacrifice themselves so he can escape. That's why he's making a stand.
Yeah, I get that's what it's going for. Personally, I'd just like to see it acknowledged from him that punching stuff isn't everything (I feel like you can do that without making it ooc) - unless this IS there to take him down a peg in a way.
Yeah, I get that's what it's going for. Personally, I'd just like to see it acknowledged from him that punching stuff isn't everything - unless this IS there to take him down a peg in a way.
I doubt it. It's the second island they've been to in the New World and all, but it's only going to get tougher from here. If Luffy couldn't even be somewhat on par with Fujitora, he would stand absolutely no chance against Kaido.
Also, there's the protection for Fujitora that he donated blood a lot and isn't likely at his best at this particular moment. If Fujitora is pushed back, it certainly won't be the "Blank eyes, blood on face and missing a tooth" kind of way.
I expect that next week we will see gomu gomu no Elephant Gattling for the second time.
It seems to be perfect attack to counter debris flying over island.
Luffy is weakened, Fujitora donated blood and has to keep debris flying so I guess we will see only some few pages of action and then escape sceme of all pirates.
I wish that we would see Doflamingos face when Marines take him away on warship and he is cuffed same way as Ace was - so we will see his face and his expression when he will see Dressrosa getting smaller and smaller as transporting him Warship goes further away from "his kingdom"..
I dunno Childish Manbino, 4 days of rest in OP time is kind of enough to recover from most injuries. Especially Fujitora who is an extremely tough Marine Admiral.
Looks like Luffy's going to take him though. That was a serious attack. Our fave purple tiger will not shrug that off.
Yeah, I get that's what it's going for. Personally, I'd just like to see it acknowledged from him that punching stuff isn't everything (I feel like you can do that without making it ooc) - unless this IS there to take him down a peg in a way.
If we want to believe he can fight an Emperor, then we can't really have him taken down a peg, can we?
I mean, it's just like Luffy said: they can't just keep saying "oh, we'll beat them someday!". He has to at least keep up with Fujitora, like how Marco and Jozu did at Marineford.
I'm not saying he will defeat Fujitora, but rather, that he can keep up with him.
@S.C.:
I doubt it. It's the second island they've been to in the New World and all, but it's only going to get tougher from here. If Luffy couldn't even be somewhat on par with Fujitora, he would stand absolutely no chance against Kaido.
Also, there's the protection for Fujitora that he donated blood a lot and isn't likely at his best at this particular moment. If Fujitora is pushed back, it certainly won't be the "Blank eyes, blood on face and missing a tooth" kind of way.
I think it's too early for Luffy to go defeating admirals. He will end up getting away, maybe a kind of small warning or something that he shouldn't get too arrogant? I understand why, but it just seems really reckless for Luffy to do this, but maybe exactly this is the intention, with "we can't keep running away" and all.
No, we know Corazon had sympathy for Law since the latter stabbed him from behind.
Well that also proves the D was indeed the reason that started it all
@Ukimix:
I don't know where is the story going with this turn of events. Seriously, is it going berserk mode the best way to advance in the NW? Well maybe it's Luffy's mode, despite all what we have seen up to now is that strategies or alliances are necessary
Well, Luffy's attitude make sense with what he did in Fishman island when he challenged BM. Maybe it's a sign that he has lost his mind and easily goes berserk mode against the big ones and needs a lesson before being able to properly advance over them. I don't know. Maybe Fuji is the most convenient teacher to give Luffy a lesson about it, since it would be much worse if it were Sakasuki and not Fuji there.
I’m surprise you expect Luffy to act reasonably after 800 chapters :-)
I think it's too early for Luffy to go defeating admirals. He will end up getting away, maybe a kind of small warning or something that he shouldn't get too arrogant? I understand why, but it just seems really reckless for Luffy to do this, but maybe exactly this is the intention, with "we can't keep running away" and all.
It's exactly that. Kaido will give Luffy one of the hardest fights of the series, and I think Luffy knows if he wans any chance to beat him, he's going to have to take it headlong.
Plus, really, after about three and half arcs of Luffy getting his ass kicked a lot, (Sabaondy to Marineford) it's refreshing to see him come into being a truly elite pirate.
It's kind of a two-sided thing for me. Him being so casual about taking down the emperors - it feels like he's trying to shoulder everything by himself and not really daring to trust his allies, being kind of arrogant, which would be an interesting angle to consider. While on the other hand, it's understandable that he would be so protective after everything he went through. I was just thinking about him just deciding to run away because it would be a little bit of character development, but obviously the purpose of this scene is different. I wonder which direction this could take?
More like dead friend*, they weren't dating.
That isn't that tragic, compared to Law , Robin, Chopper, Usopp, Franky, Brook…Still. She was able to save her country.
And that kidnapping part doesn't seem to have traumatized her, really.Yeah, he did it himself. Maybe there's something sad about his past that pushed him to do it, we may have a flashback w/ Urouge.
Tragedy is tragedy. Death of Zoro's friend set the course for his entire life. Vivi saved her country in the end, but it's not like the road to get there was easy or without tears.
As for Enel, I think getting destroyed by a rubber pirate could be considered a tragedy. 
Though he still got what he wanted in the end.
But anyway, I was speaking generally. Most of relevant characters lost someone in their life. Some had greater tragedies, like Law and Robin, who are champions of shitty childhood. But singling out Ds as if they are special for having tragic lives seems unneccesary to me. But I don't want to get into it too deep, since it was just a passing thought from Sengoku.
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I dunno Childish Manbino, 4 days of rest in OP time is kind of enough to recover from most injuries. Especially Fujitora who is an extremely tough Marine Admiral.
Looks like Luffy's going to take him though. That was a serious attack. Our fave purple tiger will not shrug that off.
I think Luffy's main goal is to buy time, since they are all in trouble with that debris hanging over their heads. If he pawns Fujitora in the process, cool. But I don't see Fujitora actually losing now. We know they need to leave Dressrosa and soon. Is there really any time for an epic one on one fight against an admiral? And pawning him in a couple of chapters would just be silly.
Anyone thinks SH + maybe Heart Pirates might come to the rescue? They had 3 days to resolve their issues.
Well that also proves the D was indeed the reason that started it all
I’m surprise you expect Luffy to act reasonably after 800 chapters :-)
What surprise me it's Oda's choice. We all were waiting for Luffy peacefully boarding the ship and escaping. Now we know Oda has something else prepared for the end of the arc, and nobody has a clue about it. Not that I don't like it, but I cat say I like it neither. I'm in limbo waiting to see what is it.
I wonder what Law will do now. Half-assed the search for one piece or happily sail the seas?
Didn't he say he wants the OP? It was not his main motive, but now that DD is jailed, maybe that becomes the first motive.
Anyone thinks SH + maybe Heart Pirates might come to the rescue? They had 3 days to resolve their issues.
With so many strong allies already there, I don't think SH or Heart Pirates would make that much of a difference.
Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
Cool chapter. Does anyone else wonder how Law's crew is taking Doflamingo's defeat? I have to imagine they all know or mostly know about their captain's past and goals. I wonder if any of them will be upset that they weren't there to share in the direct struggle and glory going up against the Doflamingo family.
Every crew is different and while we have somewhat of an equivalent with Luffy going solo trying to rescue Ace, the crew did take it pretty hard when they weren't there for him. Of course this is a happy ending for Law but I really hope we get some major insight from the Heart pirates regarding this whole thing.
Could Kaidou show up in the middle of all this? It's been a day since his intro, I know oda introduced him before all of this for a reason. We don't know how close kidds hideout is from dressrosa and Kaidou does have the resources of a Yonkou. We were shown KHA acknowledging doffy defeat at the hands of luffy/law they could have easily informed Kaidou who I'm sure wants to haul ass over to find joker/law and luffy. The Marines would have their hands full with a yonkous arrival. If Kaidou did show up and raise hell, luffys new allies are their and could motivate them even more to help luffy take out Kaidou since it is their goal.
It is perfect time for luffy to step up and confront admirals. It's the new world, we're heading for the finale oda can't keep procrastinating
Didn't he say he wants the OP? It was not his main motive, but now that DD is jailed, maybe that becomes the first motive.
Not from what I remember. Kidd said so. He called Luffy interesting for saying so and told his crew to not sweat it about the supernovae rushing to the NW because he would get what he wants. I would rather a dream that was implied in the flashback than a generic "now that I'm free let's become pirate king".
With so many strong allies already there, I don't think SH or Heart Pirates would make that much of a difference.
Not saying they should come and save the day by fighting, just that 2 extra ships might make the escape a lot easier.
Not from what I remember. Kidd said so. He called Luffy interesting for saying so and told his crew to not sweat it about the supernovae rushing to the NW because he would get what he wants. I would rather a dream that was implied in the flashback than a generic "now that I'm free let's become pirate king".
It's implied here. Talking to his crew, with whom he doesn't have to lie at all, he talks about the OP like something he's after.
Luffy doesn't need to be the strongest man in the world in order to fulfil his dream of becoming the pirate king.
A wise man know when to run and when to fight. But Luffy is not a wise man so… :D
the ship can go anywhere they want and fuji can't do anything about it..what in fuji's powers screams "denying teleport" for you?
First of all, his teleport depends directly from his room which covers less than Fujitora gravity. Law uses teleport then Fujitora uses attraction. Plus we never saw Law use teleport with a entire ship, we assume that he could do it.
Fujitora actually can "deny teleport" by paralyzing Law.
It's implied here. Talking to his crew, with whom he doesn't have to lie at all, he talks about the OP like something he's after.
Interesting page.
He says that "Where there's a position I need… I'll take it."
Had he already planned on becoming a Shichibukai back then?
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Fujitora actually can "deny teleport" by paralyzing Law.
Fujitora has tried that before. Not that effective against someone who can teleport.
Calling it now. Dragon's powers from Loguetown and Gray Terminal were not the result of some Devil Fruit. It was CoC.
Tbh 3 supernovas + all The allies could end up in a nice fight
First of all, his teleport depends directly from his room which covers less than Fujitora gravity. Law uses teleport then Fujitora uses attraction. Plus we never saw Law use teleport with a entire ship, we assume that he could do it.
Fujitora actually can "deny teleport" by paralyzing Law.
at punk hazard law made a room bigger than the island itself ,so he can at least move half of that distance (since he is at the centre of any new room),and nothin stops him from just making a new room and jumping again after that…so i doubt distance is a problem here
fuji doesn't have an attraction power,it's not Teach,he has horizontal gravity,and that can be blocked by barto's barrier..that without counting law just teleporting again out of reach
also..no reason to think law can't teleport big objects since all his other powers seem to work fine indipendently from how big the object is.
about blocking law..he wasn0t able to stop law from using his powers when he was exausted for his handicap match against both fuji and doflamingo..why shouldn't law be able to do the exact same thing here?he just need to move his fingers to use his powers.
Well that also proves the D was indeed the reason that started it all
No, it's not. Read what he says in the next panel.
"I've just been sympathising with him all this time".
D=Tragedy
Luffy=He will die at the end of the story.
Interesting page.
He says that "Where there's a position I need… I'll take it."Had he already planned on becoming a Shichibukai back then?
Yes. In that moment he wanted to be warlord to be able to approach Punk Hazard and to the smile, and it was all part of his plan to put Kaido against Dofly. But going for the OP was not part of that plan, and it seems to be something Law has being thinking about.
Is Sengoku's new running gag asking people if they want okaki? I really liked the conversation between him and Law, and wow Mangapanda readers will be confused because they made it sound like Sengoku was saying Cora didn't love Law. Also interested to see where Luffy vs Fujitora leads. Luffy's not even close to his level and that punch did almost nothing. An intervention would probably just make Luffy pissed, too.
I accept Jesus Burgess as my Lord and Savior 
D=Tragedy
Luffy=He will die at the end of the story.
Garp lived a relatively good life until now.
He can just make several Rooms in a row.
Not to mention that from where Law's from, his Room could extend all the way to the sea, with the ship at the very border of Room.
I don't know what the argument is about so I'm not really taking sides but i disagree that law could "out room" Fuji. I mean right know Fuji holds a gravity field the size of an entire island and sure we have seen law make some big rooms and but not that big. And we haven't seen law making rooms after rooms to travel great distances. So I think if Fuji focuses he can keep a person/item/whatever where he wants it even with laws interference.
The, well, expected death of Corazon didn't moved me that much, but this calm and respectful conversation between those two reserved characters, with no connection whatsoever but him, speaking so eagerly about him… damn Oda, that feels hit was below the belt.
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Is Sengoku's new running gag asking people if they want okaki? I really liked the conversation between him and Law, and wow Mangapanda readers will be confused because they made it sound like Sengoku was saying Cora didn't love Law. Also interested to see where Luffy vs Fujitora leads. Luffy's not even close to his level and that punch did almost nothing. An intervention would probably just make Luffy pissed, too.
I wonder what ever happened to that artist? He disappear like in the 2000s and unless Google search is accurate, says that he's retired. Is that true?
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I don't know what the argument is about so I'm not really taking sides but i disagree that law could "out room" Fuji. I mean right know Fuji holds a gravity field the size of an entire island and sure we have seen law make some big rooms and but not that big. And we haven't seen law making rooms after rooms to travel great distances. So I think if Fuji focuses he can keep a person/item/whatever where he wants it even with laws interference.
Yes, we did.
Garp lived a relatively good life until now.
Are you kidding no? You are a marine, your son is the most wanted criminal in the world (a terrorist), your grandson is the future pirate king (also a criminal), the ancient king of pirates gives u his son (who you can't protect and dies in front of you). And probably him, Dragon or Luffy will die at the end. You really think his life is "good"… ¿really?
Are you kidding no? You are a marine, your son is the most wanted criminal in the world (a terrorist), your grandson is the future pirate king (also a criminal), the ancient king of pirates gives u his son (who you can't protect and dies in front of you). And probably him, Dragon or Luffy will die at the end. You really think his life is "good"… ¿really?
That is why I said relatively.
I guess my hopes of Rosinante being a CP0 agent are now crushed. :sad:
That is why I said relatively.
But it's a tragedy. And Oda is showing us that D's are some kind of race who can change things sacrificing themselves. Roger died like this, Rouge too, Ace too, Saul too, Teach will die too and then the "clan" Monkey im sure Garp will sacrifice himself or Dragon.
That's why i think that Oda is foreshadowing that Law will die using his PERENNIAL YOUTH OPERATION on Luffy. Law is devoting himself to Luffy, he see him as someone who can change things like a saviour. Luffy is shortening his lifespan and destroying his body using his fruit to achieve his dream and the only "method" i see to "survive"(having a weak fruit like the Rubber fruit) is doing that at the end of the story.
But it's a tragedy. And Oda is showing us that D's are some kind of race who can change things sacrificing themselves. Roger died like this, Rouge too, Ace too, Saul too, Teach will die too and then the "clan" Monkey im sure Garp will sacrifice himself or Dragon.
That's why i think that Oda is foreshadowing that Law will die using his PERENNIAL YOUTH OPERATION on Luffy. Law is devoting himself to Luffy, he see him as someone who can change things like a saviour. Luffy is shortening his lifespan and destroying his body using his fruit to achieve his dream and the only "method" i see to "survive"(having a weak fruit like the Rubber fruit) is doing that at the end of the story.
I imagine Dragon has to survive to lead a new, reformed WG at the end of the story.
