Lol, realizing that it indeed will take years before we might see it…kind of crushing :)
But Oda using the reverie to showcase a bunch of his old characters and those countries that will be behind Luffy in the end will be a given,yeah.
The Lev Ely Discussion Thread
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What are the main points to be discussed during the Reverie? Integration and the War Lord system alone seem like heavy enough topics that could carry the entire arc. Last time we saw the actual meeting of the Kings they were discussing Dragon so that's also pretty much assured. As a teenager I thought that scene was so boring and pointless.
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What are the main points to be discussed during the Reverie? Integration and the War Lord system alone seem like heavy enough topics that could carry the entire arc. Last time we saw the actual meeting of the Kings they were discussing Dragon so that's also pretty much assured. As a teenager I thought that scene was so boring and pointless.
For some reason I have a hunch that Dragon will make an appearance at Reverie this time around. Although Sabo did leave the feeling that we wouldn't be seeing the revolutionaries for a little while. Hopefully some information concerning Shanks, BB, Aokiji, WB pirates, etc. will be revealed.
Who is at Reverie besides the Kings? Is Kong going to be there? It seems he has a very important position in Navy yet we've seen him like once, where is this guy? Maybe he'll be here -
I don't think the WG would suddenly make a decision to remove the warlord system. They need a deterrent ready against the Yonkous if they are planning to remove the system first. It could easily be the secret of the WG that Dofla holds which might be a massive weapon under construction or an existing weapon which is being upgraded or basically something that the WG is currently not having it in operational mode now which they would before the announcement. They might or might not openly reveal details about the weapon in the Reverie but we might definitely get hints before it. What better situation could it be to reveal these hints than a meet up between a jailed Dofla and a top WG official…
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I also think we get to know more about the national treasure of Maryjoa, but i doubt they will openly talk about it.
In my opinion it will be stolen, attacked or somehow activated in a way, but the celestrial dragons and the WG won´t want that anybody even knows of it´s existence.
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For some reason I have a hunch that Dragon will make an appearance at Reverie this time around. Although Sabo did leave the feeling that we wouldn't be seeing the revolutionaries for a little while. Hopefully some information concerning Shanks, BB, Aokiji, WB pirates, etc. will be revealed.
Who is at Reverie besides the Kings? Is Kong going to be there? It seems he has a very important position in Navy yet we've seen him like once, where is this guy? Maybe he'll be hereSame here. He has waited 2 years to bring "his answer" to the world and now is surely the time. What's more everyone knows he is Luffy's dad now so they will certainly listen carefully what he will say.
If the thing about Stelly being on Goa's king side at reverie will happen, then all the more likely that they will be there. -
What are the main points to be discussed during the Reverie? Integration and the War Lord system alone seem like heavy enough topics that could carry the entire arc. Last time we saw the actual meeting of the Kings they were discussing Dragon so that's also pretty much assured. As a teenager I thought that scene was so boring and pointless.
Some casual politics and why not the fact that Straw Hat beat a Yonko as main discussion point
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@The:
Some casual politics and why not the fact that Straw Hat beat a Yonko as main discussion point
I think you mean a Shichibukai. And politics will most likely be very serious, especially with possible Dragon stuff and Issho oing to make a stand.
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I'm pretty sure he means a Yonkou. It's not far off an idea that Luffy will bring down a Yonkou before the Reverie occurs.
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I think you mean a Shichibukai. And politics will most likely be very serious, especially with possible Dragon stuff and Issho oing to make a stand.
He meant Yonkou. Given OPs current timeline Luffy will have beaten one, or even two of them, inside of like a week most likley, before we get to the reverie.
That week might take us 6 or 8 years to get to, but you consider everything post timeskip so far has only been 3 or 4 days. Sabondy, Fishman Island, Punk Hazard and Dresserosa… all in three days. ANd thats not even counting whatever Sanji's group has been up to!
They havent even had a chance to give the strawhats new bounties yet!
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It could've easily have taken several days between Punk Hazard and Dressrosa. Unless some Moon shenanigans happened that I missed.
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No, because there was this thing with Doffy having that timelimit to quit being a shichibukai…you remember?
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Nope. The only place where they MIGHT have gotten an extra day is Fishman Island, depending on how long they partied. Otherwise, is been a pretty strict timetable thus far.
The first half has some space for days of travelling time, but that boiled down to just a couple weeks too. Most of the time was spent partying after Arlong, Skypeia, and Water 7.
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@Game:
It could've easily have taken several days between Punk Hazard and Dressrosa. Unless some Moon shenanigans happened that I missed.
Fishman Island is the only place where that could be a possibility. Chances are though because of the 4 day Tea Party declaration it is extremely unlikely that the crew stayed there for more than a day.
It's all in the women's clothing.
4 days to go - Civil War on Fishman Island. Tamago says Tea Party is in 4 days.
3 days to go - Camie is working again so it's a new day, the crew sets sail, Punk Hazard happens in it's entirety. Law gives Doffy the ultimatum.
2 days to go - Latest news paper shows that Doffy quit the War Lords. Dressrosa happens in it's entirety. Jinbe has a sea animal adventure and parties into the night.
1 day to go - New morning, Jimbe sets sail for Big Mom with a level 43 Wadatsumi joining his party. Next chapter will probably start on this very day as well.
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He meant Yonkou. Given OPs current timeline Luffy will have beaten one, or even two of them, inside of like a week most likley, before we get to the reverie.
That week might take us 6 or 8 years to get to, but you consider everything post timeskip so far has only been 3 or 4 days. Sabondy, Fishman Island, Punk Hazard and Dresserosa… all in three days. ANd thats not even counting whatever Sanji's group has been up to!
They havent even had a chance to give the strawhats new bounties yet!
I'm not on board with Reverie happening in a long time. I'm fairly certain that the Reverie doesn't have a set ETA(that we know of), so it could happen in a few days for all we know. Now, I Don't feel like making predictions about the order in which Oda fixes this hot mess but I'm not ready to beieve that Luffy will have beaten a Yonko by this time. I envisioned new bounties, link up with other SH who are prolly allied with Big Mom through Lola, and then cut to reverie coverage. It could potentially take the SHs days and weeks on travel time alone, exacerbated by the fact that half the crew might already be a few days ahead of them. Luffy will also need to form more alliances to take on 500 zoans/ Big Mom… All this stuff is time consuming, so I'm confident that Reverie will occur during a downtime period within next few arcs during which time should start moving a lot faster in One Piece...
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I'm not on board with Reverie happening in a long time. I'm fairly certain that the Reverie doesn't have a set ETA(that we know of), so it could happen in a few days for all we know.
And, at the pace the series is currently holding, a few days from now won't be for four or five years in real time.
within next few arcs during which time should start moving a lot faster in One Piece…
There's already a million things happening per day! How much faster do you want it to move?
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And, at the pace the series is currently holding, a few days from now won't be for four or five years in real time.
There's already a million things happening per day! How much faster do you want it to move?
Haha yes I understand the length of time, and I can easily see it being a Few years before Reverie, but I still see it being many more years before a Yonko is defeated by Luffy.
And I meant that I wished they would do less resulting in the time of the series to go by faster. E.g SHs end up on calm island like Gaemons and waste a day on a single chapter, time moves faster and less occurs. -
Normally we get an island, where the SHs fight the first subordinate of the next big villain (WP/LG - Mr.3 and Mr.5 or PH- Cesear) so for Kaidou that might happen on Zou.
Also i doubt that there are peaceful islands in the NW, wouldn´t fit the theme of this rough sea.
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Normally we get an island, where the SHs fight the first subordinate of the next big villain (WP/LG - Mr.3 and Mr.5 or PH- Cesear) so for Kaidou that might happen on Zou.
Also i doubt that there are peaceful islands in the NW, wouldn´t fit the theme of this rough sea.
Also most of the islands belong to a yonkou territory, so just chilling there won´t be that easy.There is not much I can disagree with here. While you make a good point that none of the islands will be peaceful, I'm sure they will still encounter a relatively smalltime place for them to waste time and beat some fodder, as you already stated.
On a side note, what ever happened to the log pose needing to wait and record the next destination? If that were still a thing then the SHs could easily go a few weeks while only traveling to one island in the next arc, leaving an opening for Reverie!!!! But unfortunately that's not how this stuff works haha -
Yeah, the whole concept of being able to take just one route or having to wate on each island for certain amounts of time has been slightely dropped by Oda :)
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There is not much I can disagree with here. While you make a good point that none of the islands will be peaceful, I'm sure they will still encounter a relatively smalltime place for them to waste time and beat some fodder, as you already stated.
On a side note, what ever happened to the log pose needing to wait and record the next destination? If that were still a thing then the SHs could easily go a few weeks while only traveling to one island in the next arc, leaving an opening for Reverie!!!! But unfortunately that's not how this stuff works hahaThe crew is on a mission so it's probably down to Eternal Poses at the moment. Did Law give Sanji anything to get to Zou?
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Plus Nami has that triple pose now, so that probably works differently on timing as well.
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Did Law give Sanji anything to get to Zou?
Not to Sanji, but rather to Nami. She was given the Vivre Card that leads to Zou when they arrived on Dressrosa.
And then Law reminded them of it when Doflamingo was attacking the Sunny later on.
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So correct if I'm wrong, but
Straw Hat representation in Reverie:
- Sakura Kingdom
- Alabasta
- Fishman Island
- Dressrosa
- Possibly Black Drum, considering Wapol seems to like it more that he's both rich AND owns a kingdom, and might thank the Straw Hats for it.
To be honest, I feel like that still very few representation. I might even say we'd get two or more kingdoms befriend the Straw Hats before the reverie.
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@Game:
So correct if I'm wrong, but
Straw Hat representation in Reverie:
- Sakura Kingdom
- Alabasta
- Fishman Island
- Dressrosa
- Possibly Black Drum, considering Wapol seems to like it more that he's both rich AND owns a kingdom, and might thank the Straw Hats for it.
To be honest, I feel like that still very few representation. I might even say we'd get two or more kingdoms befriend the Straw Hats before the reverie.
Kanokuni & Prodence.
And that's forgetting the king transformed by Doflamingo and saved right now.
But I don't know if they are willing to endorse such a big criminal.
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Oh yeah - all of those kingdoms from Dressrosa. Though I don't know about Kano - considering they have a pirate navy, they might be like Amazon Lily or Wano, and are not actually part of the World Government.
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I'm with Robby on this one, we won't see anything until he's defeated at least one yonkou.
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Kanokuni & Prodence.
And that's forgetting the king transformed by Doflamingo and saved right now.
But I don't know if they are willing to endorse such a big criminal.
They may not endorse Luffy, but it's possible they may declare an intention to leave the World Government.
Whether they know it or not that's a declaration of war so it's a major step to the endgame if they do.
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They may not endorse Luffy, but it's possible they may declare an intention to leave the World Government.
Whether they know it or not that's a declaration of war so it's a major step to the endgame if they do.
I'm not sure why they would, except maybe Dressrosa. That's seems like a pretty bad choice to make for your country.
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That's why I think the Reverie is going to occur when Luffy has done something so huge that the countries that have been affected by Luffy will somehow admit they are on his side. I feel like the Reverie will be the start of the destruction of the World Government. q
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I still bet on Dragon showing up there and declaring War to the WG…
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The reverie is a huge event full of world leaders that only happens once every several years.
Makes sense storywise that they should have something interesting to talk about when you get together that many major players. Disbanding of warlord, defeat of an emporer, a new pirate king declared, Shirahoshi outed as an ancient weapon, BB finding an ancient weapon?
Reeeally leaning towards reverie being right before/during the final war thing, it just makes sense… especially since the strawhats are going to get another kingdom or five on their side in the immediate future.
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I still bet on Dragon showing up there and declaring War to the WG…
He is already in war with the WG. There is no need for him to expose.
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Do we know when is the Reverie?
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I still bet on Dragon showing up there and declaring War to the WG…
Like Obito did in Naruto ?
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Vivi and Dalton's reunion with Wapol will be veeeeery awkward.
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Like Obito did in Naruto ?
Something like that, yeah…
He is already in war with the WG. There is no need for him to expose.
Well he overthrew some countries… but i am talking about an all out war, all or nothing...
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Do we know when is the Reverie?
No specific date, but within the upcoming year in OP's world.
But given that we've spent the last 4 years in the real world on like, 7 days (and three of those from the most recent chapter) that really doesn't narrow anything down and could be a while.
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He is already in war with the WG. There is no need for him to expose.
It's the cool factor, you know. Just casually popping up at heart of the WG during a big event.
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It's the cool factor, you know. Just casually popping up at heart of the WG during a big event.
For a long time the revolutionaries have been doing their works all shady and hidden. To pop up just to show off sounds like a ridiculous idea.
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For a long time the revolutionaries have been doing their works all shady and hidden. To pop up just to show off sounds like a ridiculous idea.
It doesn't. We readers need his motive for starting the revolution movement and Reverie is perfect for shedding light on that. Starting from the first time we saw him on Loguetown he said to Smoker that the World (WG) has been waiting for their (revolutionaries) answer and we clearly haven't gotten that yet.
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I don't think that the strawhats will get that many "first hand friendship" with more world government nations, as from here on is more lawless and wano is unafiliated, kano seems a rogue country as well.
There's going to be a point where the WG ends and the pirate empires start, and while those could be in a fishman island kind of limbo, as in WG and pirate territory, I doubt that they would care or enforce laws in less important places. Then again, there's vegapunks lab and there migth be another 20 families kingdom a little further away.
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It doesn't. We readers need his motive for starting the revolution movement and Reverie is perfect for shedding light on that. Starting from the first time we saw him on Loguetown he said to Smoker that the World (WG) has been waiting for their (revolutionaries) answer and we clearly haven't gotten that yet.
They can just give their message by silently taking silently every country one by one. Its more like Dragon's style by keeping being hidden in mysteries.
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In my mind, what would make most sense would be Luffy and Law (and maybe some other new ally?) go against a Yonko and get punked, they barely escape, realizing they're still far too weak to beat an emperor. Then it cuts to the Reverie were we see whatever they are discussing, major decisions, etc.
After all of this, there's another timeskip where we both see the results of Straw hats + Heart Pirates training and new plan to deal with the Yonko who defeated them, and we also get to see the repercussions of the major decisions made during the Reverie.
And yes, I know the chances of there being another timeskip, especially so soon, are low, to say the least. But like I said, this is what would make the most sense, in my mind, this is just what I'd like to see, even though I'm aware it almost surely won't happen.
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After all of this, there's another timeskip
I can't see Oda going down this path tbh.
We're only 3 days on from a timeskip, in story time, and in those 3 days Luffy has already landed himself squarely in the sights of not one, but two emperors.
Add that to fact that Luffy only just showed off his newest transformation, that effectively trounced an experienced New World pirate and Shichibukai, with relative ease.
On top of that, is the likelihood of progression through The New World acting as natural training mechanism, as progression through Paradise did.
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Not counting that the strawhats also were on the sight of the other two emperors for 2 and 12 years as well.
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Not counting that the strawhats also were on the sight of the other two emperors for 2 and 12 years as well.
Indeed, I meant more as being targets for those emperors though.
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To be defeated so "soon" though? I find that hard to believe.
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I can't see Oda going down this path tbh.
We're only 3 days on from a timeskip, in story time, and in those 3 days Luffy has already landed himself squarely in the sights of not one, but two emperors.
Add that to fact that Luffy only just showed off his newest transformation, that effectively trounced an experienced New World pirate and Shichibukai, with relative ease.
On top of that, is the likelihood of progression through The New World acting as natural training mechanism, as progression through Paradise did.
That's a good point; it's just that from my perspective, it will look ridiculous if Luffy can beat a Yonko after only 2 years of serious training, (excluding any "training/evolving" they have during the actual arcs because that applies to the other characters as well, after all, they're all having their own adventures/missions/etc.)
I feel like they should have something that pushes them forward in a significant way, whether it's a timeskip or anything else, so beating an emperor doesn't seem so far-fetched.