What the hell is Gear 3rd? Apparently according to Lucci, Gear 2nd is caused by increasing the amount of Oxygen in the body and increasing the blood flow. This would in theory increase your reaction time by allowing more blood to flow to your brain…as well as other things. So Gear 3rd, Is it by exhausting a massive amount of the body's oxygen thus causing him to shrink...because he's a rubber man. That's what I think...
Now that Gear 2nd is explained…
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i dont think exhuming so much oxygen would give enough power to break a metal door :blink:
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Gear 2nd was a means of increasing blood flow by increasing the internal pressure on the circulatory system. In order to prevent his body from expanding due to this internal pressure, Luffy vented some of the internal pressure out of his pores, hence the steam associated with Gear 2nd. The Chap. 420 thread has a much better explanation than I have given here. If I had to guess, Luffy uses his thumb like a release valve, biting down on it to close off his pores. This allows the pressure to build to tremendous levels very quickly. He then uses Gear 3rd to release this air pressure, likely through his hands. In short, its a more powerful version of Franky's Coup de Vent.
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I don't think he bites his thumb to close off pores because his pores are still exposed when he bites his thumb.
Did he really bite his thumb? All I saw was him putting his thumb in his mouth.
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He must bite his thumb. At least it's what the gesture implies. Maybe he bites it, makes it bleed, and he uses the ultra high pressured gush of blood to attack?
That's fucking disgusting.
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Well, not so much gross as it is utterly senseless.
I'll save my G3 theory for when there's actually some use.
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Just to make sure, I wasn't serious.
As there's no blood to be seen after he destroys the gate leading to the underground passageway… Whatever.
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i dont think exhuming so much oxygen would give enough power to break a metal door :blink:
If you exhumed it with a huge amount of force, it might.
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Well thinking about it. Gear 10, if there is one. Is very likely to kill Luffy.
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Luffy bites his thumb. The pain makes Luffy super pissed (which is super powerful in manga realm) but also teary eyed. Crying eyes off causes dehydration. And the lose of the body water causes shrinking… because Luffy is rubber.
I said it first.
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They just showed Gear 2 in motion in the anime. Basically, oxygen builds up in his legs, and then slowly shots up into the rest of his body. He does this twice, and his body starts steaming up probably because his muscles are being pushed past their limits now. While they are at this stage, they work must faster/stronger for a limited amount of time.
Now I want to see Gear 3!!!
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Luffy's hand made a sizzling sound when it touched the ground. I think that signifies that his blood is at a very high temperature, probably boiling.
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Are you lot still on this boiling blood stuff? He would die….his skin would crack up, and if his rubber body doesn't allow that, then his skin would still be bubbling. And his rubber body doesn't allow him to survive extreme temperatures, so he'd die of organ failure, long before his blood reached 100 celcius. And his blood would start to evaporate, also killing him.
Gear Two raises his blood pressure. That doesn't mean his blood heats up.
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Gear Two raises his blood pressure. That doesn't mean his blood heats up.
More pressure => More temp. Phisics fact
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Yeah, that is true. But, the temperature would never rise to boiling. And if it did…..you'd be dead before it could even get that high. Being rubber won't stop that.
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Yeah, that is true. But, the temperature would never rise to boiling. And if it did…..you'd be dead before it could even get that high. Being rubber won't stop that.
Uh, yeah it does.
Oda knows that rubber is highly resistant to heat, that's why it's used in steam engines and many steam related appliances. However, it still can burn when it is hot and dry.
BTW, here's my explaination of G2: http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=308784&postcount=62
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Luffy isn't resistant to heat. That's why Enel could burn him by heating up his trident.
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Rubber is resistant to heat, otherwise Luffy would still have scar tissue on his arm. Luffy merely recieved a 1st degree burn.
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..enough with the boiling please.
it's hard to tell wat he does for gear 3 b/c we haven't really seen it yet.
…all we know is that he uses his thumb in his mouth and that he uses up so much energy that he becomes small.2 thoughts about the thumb:
-he bites it to force pressure out of it...and more into his arm.(doesn't seem like pressure from a thumb will do a lot though)
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-he pulls on his thumb to stretch it...for something...maybe a whip?..i dunno..just wait to see more.
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The following posts provide one possible explanation for Gear 3.
Describes how Gear 2 increases Luffy's spring constant making his rubber tenser.
http://www.apforums.net/showpost.php?p=308173&postcount=54
It's probably best read after reading Pipboy's explanation, which provides a great explanation (as long as you're willing to overlook the part about Luffy using his rubber body like a lung, or oxygenation by itself increasing Luffy's power) behind some of the physiological effects of Gear 2 like the steam, the increased blood flow and the shininess of the skin.
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=306120&postcount=245
And finally, these posts explain how Luffy goes Gear 3, creating a hypercompressed, hypertense chibi Luffy. It also provides a possible reason for the thumb biting.
http://www.apforums.net/showpost.php?p=308406&postcount=56
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There is a real possibility that the thumb biting is a complete red herring. Many people, myself included bite their hands when they are nervous, excited or attempting to bleed off exess emotion. There is a primal appeal to both the pain and the feeling of something between your teeth, it focuses you on reality and before a fight or some confrontation I would often find myself biting the skin on the back of the thumb and forefinger. Luffy might just be doing the same. A sort of calming effect, or a hyping effect that accompanies whatever the real GEar 3 changes are. Most likely hypercompression of the rubber matrix that makes him.
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Yeah, that is true. But, the temperature would never rise to boiling. And if it did…..you'd be dead before it could even get that high. Being rubber won't stop that.
Here is a fact, Water can boil two ways. Increase the Temperature OR increase the Pressure. I did this experiment in physics. The blood can be boiling but its temperature will not be as hot as usual therefore rubber wont melt AND the blood can boil.
Huttuh!
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Here is a fact, Water can boil two ways. Increase the Temperature OR increase the Pressure. I did this experiment in physics. The blood can be boiling but its temperature will not be as hot as usual therefore rubber wont melt AND the blood can boil.
Increase in pressure causes heat to increase if volume and quantity stay the same.
Edit: oops, not sure what you saying a while ago, but increasing pressure should prevent boiling. What's happening with Luffy is that water's being forced out in a fine mist.
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Gear 3 probably did something to his skin, thus making him shrink. Kinda like tearing muscles after exercise, or tightening his skin. This sounds illogical but remember that his entire body is made of rubber, right down to his organs, so "compressing" him doesn't sound very silly at all.
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Blood pressure causing Luffys blood to boil.. my god what else am I going to hear in my lifetime? -
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Here is a fact, Water can boil two ways. Increase the Temperature OR increase the Pressure. I did this experiment in physics. The blood can be boiling but its temperature will not be as hot as usual therefore rubber wont melt AND the blood can boil.
Increasing external pressure increases water's boiling point. Decreasing pressure is what allows water to boil at lower temperatures. This is why water boils at lower temperatures at higher altitudes.
This is what I think is the most likely explanation for Luffy's steam.
Water will always evaporate under open conditions. You don't need to boil water to have it evaporate, although it does help speed up the process by altering the kinetic energy distribution bell curve of the surface molecules. And it's the water molecules at the surface that evaporate, as long as they have enough kinetic energy to escape. Therefore, if we increase the surface area of the water exposed to air, we increase the rate of evaporation. Now take this a step further and increase the surface area of the same amount of water to the point where it's only a microthin layer, and watch all that water evaporate in almost an instant under room temperature or hotter conditions.
This what we're seeing here. As heated microthin layers of water (heated from all that increased aerobic activity) are being brought to the surface by Luffy's increased internal fluid pressure, it evaporates immediately upon contact with air (the key here is that the layer of water is microthin). Further, this process is most likely aided by Luffy's extremely hot skin, like pouring a thin layer of water over a hot surface.
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Ok so steam coming out of his body can be easily explained. What really bothers me is how the heck does he replace all that water he is losing? Need I remind everone that until now he hasnt been in contact with any water before Lucci broke the wall. Plus he probably has been sweating alot after fighting hundreds of guards and Blueno and then running around after Spandam. How does he replace all that lost water? By now he should probably too dehydrated to do anything. He may be rubber but he still needs to drink!
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I just remembered something. Humans can't turn into rubber
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Ok so steam coming out of his body can be easily explained. What really bothers me is how the heck does he replace all that water he is losing? Need I remind everone that until now he hasnt been in contact with any water before Lucci broke the wall. Plus he probably has been sweating alot after fighting hundreds of guards and Blueno and then running around after Spandam. How does he replace all that lost water? By now he should probably too dehydrated to do anything. He may be rubber but he still needs to drink!
I really have no idea. And after having read the spoiler for chapter 421, I'm feeling a bit retarded for thinking too scientifically about the Gears, lol. Maybe I'll feel a bit differently after the full scans are out.
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Well guess what guys, now that the spoilers for 421 are out…we all know what Gear 3rd is...and we were all very very close...I'm surprised as to how close I was...
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Some of us where dead wrong though. I should learn to never try and stay a step ahead of Oda. Its like trying to predict the plot of gantz.
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If the steam coming out of Luffy is actually steam and not something else (dunno what else it could be) it means Luffy's internal liquids ARE boiling. Liquids steam at the boiling point. So his blood/water are either boiling or at the boiling point.
And I agree what Luffy is not immune to heat but is very resistant to it, because fire does hurt him but doens't burn him like it would our bodies.
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Y'know, all these theories remind me of the cells-spinning-so-fast-it's-like-if-they-were-still-attached crap of when Blueno opened a door on Luffy's face. I mean… people can REALLY not turn into rubber, walk on the air or whatever. All logical explanations in mangas would result impracticable. Or else why don't we try to explain Mantra! Or Kaku's Pasta Machine!
Besides, Oda knows almost nothing about physiology: one proof, among thousands, is Lucci saying "your heart could never keep that pressure". Guess what, the heart has nothing to do with blood pressure. Oda, like many others, clearly mistakes blood pressure with speed, while they're two completely different things. So how could someone who ignores something so basilar ever think of something like "nitrogen mixed with moist flowing out of skin pores" (Pipboy)??
If you want an explanation for the steam, expect something like "It reminds of Majin-Bu and it looks cool" -
Y'know, all these theories remind me of the cells-spinning-so-fast-it's-like-if-they-were-still-attached crap of when Blueno opened a door on Luffy's face. I mean… people can REALLY not turn into rubber, walk on the air or whatever. All logical explanations in mangas would result impracticable. Or else why don't we try to explain Mantra! Or Kaku's Pasta Machine!
Besides, Oda knows almost nothing about physiology: one proof, among thousands, is Lucci saying "your heart could never keep that pressure". Guess what, the heart has nothing to do with blood pressure. Oda, like many others, clearly mistakes blood pressure with speed, while they're two completely different things. So how could someone who ignores something so basilar ever think of something like "nitrogen mixed with moist flowing out of skin pores" (Pipboy)??
If you want an explanation for the steam, expect something like "It reminds of Majin-Bu and it looks cool"I'm not disagreeing with your argument or anything, but blood flow is related to blood pressure. It's basic fluid dynamics/hemodynamics that flow * resistance = pressure. And yes, given enough pressure, your heart, which is basically one large reservoir of blood (with a pump), would rupture. Granted, the pressure would probably have to be very large.
Anyway, about Gear 2, I think some of us saw some sophistication to this technique that in hindsight was probably never there. I mean, when was the last time Oda has ever demonstrated this level of sophistication before in regards to physics/biology/chemistry? I can't ever recall. But I think there was just something about Gear 2 that got some of us excited, myself especially. Most of the time I try not to analyze things in One Piece too scientifically, but it was as if Gear 2 had ignited my nerd impulses or something.
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I've always questioned Oda's vast reserves of knowledge that seem to be inaccessible to a mere mortal. However, Oda probably has some good science geeks as friends, as well as some good humanities geeks as friends too.
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I'm not disagreeing with your argument or anything, but blood flow is related to blood pressure. It's basic fluid dynamics/hemodynamics that flow * resistance = pressure. And yes, given enough pressure, your heart, which is basically one large reservoir of blood (with a pump), would rupture. Granted, the pressure would probably have to be very large.
Mmmh… My nerd's circuits are turning on too :wassat: Actually you're right, a flow waaaaaaaaay too fast in the veins, not balanced by the heart pace, would cause the blood to accumulate in the right atrium, thus making the pressure arise till the atrium itself would inflate and break...
However the point is, speed and pressure ARE two different things while Oda, like most people (including his nerd friends), clearly thinks they're the same. Whatever, anyways... We're talking of a man who spanned 30 seconds of story in four chapters (at Arubarna)... We must love him as he is
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I got it almost right… like with "Luffy", "rubber" and "thumb".
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woo..hahah, i was really really close.
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It seems that people don't see the connection between speed and pressure.
Nor do they see the connection with heat and pressure.
It's not that we are stupid in general, it's just that physics isn't something everyone can grasp in an instant. -
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If the steam coming out of Luffy is actually steam and not something else (dunno what else it could be) it means Luffy's internal liquids ARE boiling. Liquids steam at the boiling point. So his blood/water are either boiling or at the boiling point.
I'll say it again, if his insides were boiling:
-A he would die
-B steam would come out of his mouth, nose, and ass which does not happen.The moisture evaporates upon contact with his skin, this has already been explained mutliple times, BOILING BLOOD is a ridiculous and impossible notion, whereas burning rubber is an understandable and real life physiological phenomenon upon heavy strain on rubber.
Lucci explained his internal organs had the problem, not his entire body, boiling blood would rupture veins and arteries and would rape a persons brain functions due to the constant changing tempratures in the blood flow to the brain. A persons brain can start taking damage from the slightest blot clot/increase in blood pressure/vein leak much less BOILING f*()@* blood.
Luffys blood does not boil.
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Luffy's not boiling, but he is sweating like crazy. It's just coming out so fast it's a fine mist.
Luffy's pink because blood is getting pressed against his skin.
Luffy's stronger because blood is being pumped to his muscles faster, so they're able to obtain and consume sugar faster, get more calcium for muscle contraction, and clean out the lactic acid faster.
Luffy's life is shortening because all his organs are being crushed. Rubber helps, but he's not immune. Don't worry. Chopper's a miracle worker.
Done. G2 explained.
G3: it's a cartoon. Nothing else matters.
Now find stuff to do, like educating yourselves.
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its cool that the anime finnaly showed thats its not a projectile but he is still punching and everything…the manga was just showig his speed...its kinda like how cannon balls are fired...u just see a puff a smoke with the whole in there..damn he was movin quick
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Luffy's not boiling, but he is sweating like crazy. It's just coming out so fast it's a fine mist.
Luffy's pink because blood is getting pressed against his skin.
Luffy's stronger because blood is being pumped to his muscles faster, so they're able to obtain and consume sugar faster, get more calcium for muscle contraction, and clean out the lactic acid faster.
Luffy's life is shortening because all his organs are being crushed. Rubber helps, but he's not immune. Don't worry. Chopper's a miracle worker.
Done. G2 explained.
wow that pretty good, and it's make sense.
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@gum-gum:
wow that pretty good, and it's make sense.
Thanks :happy: I was wonderng why no one argued back.
Or maybe it was because I'm a hypomaniac and people noticed. :sideways:
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I liked how the anime showed in 273 that Gear 2 is tiring Luffy.
When he stop figthing Blueno he's out of breath. A lil' difference with Lucci since Luffy is already tired while Gear 2.By the way I don't know if it has been suggested before, but since meat seems to be the miracle way of recovering to Luffy, can't a lot of meat heal his body once his figth ends ? I think it was suggested after the Blueno figth.
However the main drawback would be that Gear 2 can't be used too much before he eat.
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What about once his body get stronger and adapt to Gear 2? Even with Gear 2 and Gear 3, I still don't think Luffy is strong/good enough yet to take one Vice Admiral's or other Shichibukai…..
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