How is none of the music from Into the Woods memorable? They did use the broadway show's music, right?
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How is none of the music from Into the Woods memorable? They did use the broadway show's music, right?
I never saw the Broadway play. Just the movie adaption but, I don't know, none of it caught on for me.
It wasn't like Les Miserables which I immensely enjoyed even though I never saw the Broadway play.
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I finally saw Cinderella. What a lovely movie. I think "lovely" is the right word here. It's not the "grand slam" kind of movie you might expect, but it played everything straight and hit all the notes right. I got chocked up and sniffled when I was supposed to (then again, I easily sniffle), and I was happily sucked into the world and the atmosphere. Give them the Oscars for Costume and Set Design right now.
The acting was also superb. Cate Blanchett was as awesomely bitchy as you would expect (and a lot more depth than you might not expect), and Lily James was like the animated Cinderella incarnate. Which is a good or a bad thing depending on your mileage. My mother thought Richard Madden wasn't handsome enough to be the Prince, but I don't know what her problem is.
The best part though was hands down Helena Bonham-Carter as the Fairy Godmother. Her scene is only like 10-15 minutes long but dammit it's the best part. Not only for the magic but she just plays the ditzy godmother so well and on point. I wanted more of her. I didn't get more of her. Oh poo.
And the Frozen short? It was . . . . . short. Seriously, I was expecting more. It was adorable, and cute, and short. But the last scene kind of made it, I think.
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I never saw the Broadway play. Just the movie adaption but, I don't know, none of it caught on for me.
It wasn't like Les Miserables which I immensely enjoyed even though I never saw the Broadway play.
Well… yeah. Les Mis is one of the best Broadway scores of all time for a reason, and Jean Valjean is a fantastic character.
(And the movie did a pretty poor job of it at that. A shame, done right it would have instantly been one of my favorite films. And how the hell do you have the song "Stars" without a single star in the sky?))
Stephen Sondheim takes some getting used to, he's much more about the lyrics than the melodies. (Andrew Lyoyd Weber is much more popular choice for musical sound but his lyrics are pretty meh.) Into the Woods and Sweeny Todd are probably his most famous works... and I'm not a huge fan of either, but ItW has its charms.
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Am I the only one who hates Le Mis? I have nothing against the music, I just hate overly depressing stories/plots. Same reason I hate Thomas Mallory and Wuthering Heights.
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Am I the only one who hates Le Mis? I have nothing against the music, I just hate overly depressing stories/plots. Same reason I hate Thomas Mallory and Wuthering Heights.
i not a fan of depressing stories myself. also im Drama and horror story intolerant, i can only take so much of either.
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The only Les Mis I've seen was a non-musical adaption from back in, I think the 1960s, and I loved it. so, shrug I never really thought of it as being depressing. It's got some very sad moments, but not depressing.
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Am I the only one who hates Le Mis? I have nothing against the music, I just hate overly depressing stories/plots. Same reason I hate Thomas Mallory and Wuthering Heights.
But Les Mis is overall very hopeful and optimistic? Yes, a lot of people die, (it IS a revolution) but they pass on better futures for their loved ones. People find love, build new lives, the world becomes a better place.
Its not really much darker than One Piece flashback in that regard.
And Jean Valjean is just an amazing character.
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drum roll Ewan McGregor has been cast as Lumiere in Beauty and the Beast (live-action).
http://hellogiggles.com/beauty-and-the-beast-ewan-mcgregor-lumiere/I'm not sure if I'm happy or not. I love Ewan McGregor, but I never pictured him as Lumiere.
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drum roll Ewan McGregor has been cast as Lumiere in Beauty and the Beast (live-action).
http://hellogiggles.com/beauty-and-the-beast-ewan-mcgregor-lumiere/I'm not sure if I'm happy or not. I love Ewan McGregor, but I never pictured him as Lumiere.
Hold the phone, Ian McKellan is going to be playing Cogsworth? How have I not heard about this until now?
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Remember that incredible concept of "what if the disney villains had tacky high school kids and we made a TV movie about that?!!"
BEHOLD!
Or Rather, beware. It's almost exactly what I expected which is a whole lotta UGH, but I did not expect it to look so…cheap.
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What's up with that … Er.. Blonde hair
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That looks awful.
And there's more too:
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…Dopys son?? Dopey? Anyway, if theres one thing I remember about Cruella its her intense fear of dogs. I mean, obviously the whole movie is about her killing as many dogs as possible! And who can forget the thieving scoundrel Jafar. The kind hearted sorcerer vs the evil street-rat thief, what a classic movie that was.
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So…I presume a 90s high school production team are responsible for the costume design? Dear god the designs are so dreadful. What was the budget they were given to make this show?
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Why Carlos exactly? Mal, Jay, and Evie (ugh) are at least derived from the characters that they're based on (or their nicknames) but Carlos seems totally random.
What's up with that … Er.. Blonde hair
It looks like a hedgehog is mating with his head.
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The creative vacuum that is those characters' names alone should have sent this thing screaming back to re-writes.
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Oh dear lord….Why?!
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This Descendant's thing made me laugh out loud. I would have thought it was a good April Fool's joke.
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I wish. I won't watch it. I won't waste the hours of my life.
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I'm half tempted to watch it and hope for "so bad its good", but then I remember that Evies character arc is gonna be "she's fixated on using her looks to get boys, but learns that there is more to life than appearances!!" and its just too plastic-sugary for me
Maybe if they had an "all star" cast of villain kids instead of just the 4…they're probably saving baby Ursula and baby Gaston for the sequel though
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Jay: He has a penchant for stealing things, which kept him busy at home on the Isle of the Lost. In Auradon, he puts his athleticism to good use as a star player on the tourney team
Jay's description sounds more like the son of Aladdin than the manipulative, calculating, persuasive Jafar of the movie. Shouldn't he be more the tech savvy one than Carlos?
And shouldn't Carlos be more artistic than Mal given he's the descendent of fashionista Cruella?
Mal could be written as a much more resourceful character Jason Bourneing her way to victory by enchanting the most nonthreatening objects - her mother made a whole kingdom afraid of spinning wheels, she could make the whole school terrified of mechanical pencils!
Evie could be the queen of home economics and a Michelin star chef, if her amazing apple pies and other dishes didn't have the unfortunate side effect of putting everyone to sleep…
In the end I know this is just for the Disney Channel TV movie audience, but if they're going to try and build a brand out of this they could put in a bit more effort and make something memorable for all the right reasons.
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You've probably already put more thought into this than the people making it.
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You've probably already put more thought into this than the people making it.
I'm working in the animation industry, and constantly reading trade magazines and press releases for upcoming shows and projects, so lazy characters or underutilized high-concepts get my blood boiling and make me lose my afternoons thinking about how to push ideas to their full potential :D
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I feel so cheated >:I
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I feel so cheated >:I
Pfft. Old news. Have to cut budget somehow. Especially in Robin Hood.
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At least thats all in-house borrowing. Someone needs to side by side the flying scenes in Nausicaa with Rescuers Down Under.
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Someone needs to side by side the flying scenes in Nausicaa with Rescuers Down Under.
Are you joking, or is it clearly plagiarized? I can't honestly say I can recall two similar scenes, but its been a while since I've seen either films.
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I feel so cheated >:I
Robin Hood has no chill. Like, they didn't even conceal the circles in Little John's eyes.
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Are you joking, or is it clearly plagiarized? I can't honestly say I can recall two similar scenes, but its been a while since I've seen either films.
Its not direct tracing line for line like the Disney over Disney stuff is, but it was very clearly… "inspired".
Similarly, Lion King and Kimba, and Atlantis and Nadia. Talespin even gets some Laputa in it in places.
For some real fun, watch the Batman TAS episode with the CLock King after watching Calgiostro. They homaged it shot for shot in the clock tower sequence.
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tomorrowland_2015/
Despite the Tomatometer, the movie seems to be averaging around a 6/10. And it's still a Brad Bird production. I'm not going to be able to catch it this weekend, but hope it's good and will try to watch as soon as I can.
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Talespin even gets some Laputa in it in places.
It borrowed a lot more from Tales of the Golden Monkey.
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Saw Tomorrowland with Captain Usopp.
She liked it a lot, and I thought it was good. Nowhere near Bird's best, but lots of good visuals, characters were likeable, some good setpieces, and fun were had… I'd watch it again.
It doesn't deserve to be tanking in the rotten tomatoes at the very least.
Its not the first PotC, but its really about the best thing you could expect from a Disney Attraction film.
I think its just the Pixar curse hitting it. If it didn't have super high expectations from the director's pedigree, people would like it more. It's Bird's first 80% movie, (the ending chunk doesn't quite nail it emotionally) but a decent flik from anyone else. Its NOT another John Carter situation.
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I dunno, I haven't seen it but it's written by Damon Lindelof, one of the worst writers in the industry, and I heard it's full of schmaltz and meandering. Of course I'll still go see it when it comes here so I can judge for myself.
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Co-written. Bird had his part in the writing too.
And your hatred of LOST aside, Lindelof is a decent writer most of the time. Sure he's worked on a couple high profile things that weren't great like Star Trek or Prometheus, but the directors and studios are just as much to blame or more on those things. (He had nothing to do with ST 2009, and that still had most of the same problems.) And if the director couldn't figure out what he wanted to do with Prometheus 30 years after Alien well…
It was no John Carter by any means, whichwas a confused mess of multiple prologues, combining multiple novel stories, and lackluster visuals and set pieces.
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I liked John Carter. Sure the designs and set pieces weren't that original (in that they looked like something you'd see in any Star Wars movie) but the visuals were amazing. You could see all of the millions of dollars they dumped into this box office bomb, but it was a fun and adventurous sci-fi box office bomb! Kind of like Live, Die, Repeat but less fun and intelligent. Not as bad as people make it out to be though.
Not to be compared to the other recent box office bomb that is Lone Ranger. That movie was indeed terrible though, yes, the visuals in that were great also. Everything else was bad.
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I also saw Tomorrowland on Saturday and it was a nice movie. Fun, funny, good acting, interesting premise, and it had a nice air of optimism, childlike innocence, and...hope? Yeah, but that also worked against it because for a movie so optimistic it sure as hell was unbelievably pessimistic and (not a word).
! I'm not going to even ask how a future predicting machine somehow transmits pessimism to a populace in another dimension (was that really the plot or did I get that all wrong?) but anyway, how does the world suddenly end in about 55 days from, let's say, now? Yeah, there are wars going, riots, protests, water shortages, famines, and natural disasters but how the hell does that translate to end of the world in 55 days? It was simply explained by, 'Once the static comes up we don't know what happens but when the picture comes back the world is dead.' but is it really that simple? You have to have an extremely bleak outlook on the world if you think we can just go from 'Everything As Usual' to 'Launch The Nukes!' in about 2 months. Sure, it's possible but the fact that it was laughably 100% probable as long as the machine was on was, well, laughable. How much pessimism is that machine transmitting for us to suddenly kill ourselves in such a short period of time? How messed up do you think the people of the world are?
! The whole pessimism aspect was definitely reinforced by the whole school scene where all the teachers were talking about doom and gloom as if the youth and the populace at large is brainwashed on a daily basis to think negative or as the movie put it, "Feed the wrong wolf." Lastly, that whole lecturing dialog disguised as a rant from the main villain (House) felt like someone was shoving a fist of ham up my ass.
! And LOL at the world's future being better in the 1960s. Funny stuff. To the movies credit it's not like it's saying there are no dreamers or hope in today's age. In fact, the movie pointed out that there are plenty of dreamers today in the very last scene of the movie, but it definitely makes it seem like they are a rare breed at least compared to the past. -
! Casey comes to realize that the monitor doesn't show what will happen, but what could happen. Nix is then revealed to be the one who has been keeping the device on because he had been attempting to plant the knowledge of the impending destruction in the minds of the people of Earth to try and get them to realize that they can change it. However, this knowledge only served to make people give up hope and stop trying.
! Mostly the machine was grabbing a future…. and the world decided "okay". Without the high tech visual representation... that's exactly what's happened in the real world, not the movie world.
! Because that collective of dreamers stopped doing anything once they saw the "inevitable". Without any deviation or hope. Hence all those little bits where one of the characters would see three seconds into their future, and then exactly that would happen. And also why the lead was able to fix it minutely.
! Would have been nice if a bigger deal had been made about that path being changed when Athena took a bullet though, since that was also changing the future... by CHOOSING to change the future.
! The exact cause of the world ending doesn't matter.... and it being in 50 days or fifty years doesn't matter either, given that it had a locked in point decades earlier and no one tried to change it in that time. The point is, we put off tomorrow's problems like they're problems for our grandkids to deal with, or that can't be dealt with at all, why should we care? There are a million things we could be doing and we aren't. And, one person deciding to try and make a difference (and thus affecting others)... makes a difference. (though actually three persons in this case.. again, robot girl changed the future with her sacrifice)
! When we do have nukes and global warming and a dozen wars at once and all the other bad stuff... well, the world does suck. Why aren't we doing a better job at fixing it? Not in the movie, but in real life? Why are we still burning fossil fuels instead of something better? etc.
! We've known about global warming and holes in the ozone for decades and we're only now starting to try and really push legistlation to fix it, or save the bees, or what have you.
! Basically, if we were told "the polar icecaps are going to completely melt in literally 2 months unless we do something now" would we as a species come together and fix it overnight... or would we just shrug our shoulders as individuals and say "well what can I do?" Why aren't the billionaires doing more? (Elon Musk aside.) We've known that was a problem for decades, but we've been shrugging it off. WHy? "Because its a slow process, I can't see it happening, it'll take decades to happen, someone else will fix it before then."
! Personal guess? They probably didn't actually have to turn the machine off and blow it up, they just to ignore what it was telling them... since they WERE able to change the future even with it on... but that would have been a pretty dull finale to just flip a switch, if the movie had just gotten to tomorrowland and skipped the last 20 minutes and just gone straight to the resolution. Its not so much that in exactly 50 days the world will be in that state, (since they were able to take the percentage down with some hope) but that in 50 days it becomes fully impossible to change the course at that point. My guess would be Frank or Casey dies suddenly (car accident?) without starting the initiative of recruiting new people, and then the dream and all the potential dies at that point.Short version.
! I think the problem audiences are having is they wanted a villain that was a little more… villainey... if the evil machine was more evil and an obvious thing to stop. An audience WANTS it to be an evil machine grabbing from alternate realities to warp a black hole or summon Lavos or something.
! No one wants to see a movie and be told "by the way, the actual real world is the villain here, and YOU'RE the reason we don't have jetpacks yet. The entire human race is the badguy. Not just the guy that plays House."
! Alot of the same sort of criticisms came up with Wall-E actually. "The movie was good up until it had such a stupid message and hit me over the head with it. Save the planet, geez, I get it already."
! But really the final message is the idea being to use inspiration instead of fear to save the world. Instead of saying "hey, the ice caps are going to melt, scary!" shouldn't we instead be going "Hey, can't we build cool anti gravity waterslides?" -
! Casey comes to realize that the monitor doesn't show what will happen, but what could happen. Nix is then revealed to be the one who has been keeping the device on because he had been attempting to plant the knowledge of the impending destruction in the minds of the people of Earth to try and get them to realize that they can change it. However, this knowledge only served to make people give up hope and stop trying.
! Mostly the machine was grabbing a future…. and the world decided "okay". Without the high tech visual representation... that's exactly what's happened in the real world, not the movie world.
! Because that collective of dreamers stopped doing anything once they saw the "inevitable". Without any deviation or hope. Hence all those little bits where one of the characters would see three seconds into their future, and then exactly that would happen. And also why the lead was able to fix it minutely.
! Would have been nice if a bigger deal had been made about that path being changed when Athena took a bullet though, since that was also changing the future... by CHOOSING to change the future.
! The exact cause of the world ending doesn't matter.... and it being in 50 days or fifty years doesn't matter either, given that it had a locked in point decades earlier and no one tried to change it in that time. The point is, we put off tomorrow's problems like they're problems for our grandkids to deal with, or that can't be dealt with at all, why should we care? There are a million things we could be doing and we aren't. And, one person deciding to try and make a difference (and thus affecting others)... makes a difference. (though actually three persons in this case.. again, robot girl changed the future with her sacrifice)
! When we do have nukes and global warming and a dozen wars at once and all the other bad stuff... well, the world does suck. Why aren't we doing a better job at fixing it? Not in the movie, but in real life? Why are we still burning fossil fuels instead of something better? etc.
! We've known about global warming and holes in the ozone for decades and we're only now starting to try and really push legistlation to fix it, or save the bees, or what have you.
! Basically, if we were told "the polar icecaps are going to completely melt in literally 2 months unless we do something now" would we as a species come together and fix it overnight... or would we just shrug our shoulders as individuals and say "well what can I do?" Why aren't the billionaires doing more? (Elon Musk aside.) We've known that was a problem for decades, but we've been shrugging it off. WHy? "Because its a slow process, I can't see it happening, it'll take decades to happen, someone else will fix it before then."
! Personal guess? They probably didn't actually have to turn the machine off and blow it up, they just to ignore what it was telling them... since they WERE able to change the future even with it on... but that would have been a pretty dull finale to just flip a switch, if the movie had just gotten to tomorrowland and skipped the last 20 minutes and just gone straight to the resolution. Its not so much that in exactly 50 days the world will be in that state, (since they were able to take the percentage down with some hope) but that in 50 days it becomes fully impossible to change the course at that point. My guess would be Frank or Casey dies suddenly (car accident?) without starting the initiative of recruiting new people, and then the dream and all the potential dies at that point.Short version.
! I think the problem audiences are having is they wanted a villain that was a little more… villainey... if the evil machine was more evil and an obvious thing to stop. An audience WANTS it to be an evil machine grabbing from alternate realities to warp a black hole or summon Lavos or something.
! No one wants to see a movie and be told "by the way, the actual real world is the villain here, and YOU'RE the reason we don't have jetpacks yet. The entire human race is the badguy. Not just the guy that plays House."
! Alot of the same sort of criticisms came up with Wall-E actually. "The movie was good up until it had such a stupid message and hit me over the head with it. Save the planet, geez, I get it already."
! But really the final message is the idea being to use inspiration instead of fear to save the world. Instead of saying "hey, the ice caps are going to melt, scary!" shouldn't we instead be going "Hey, can't we build cool anti gravity waterslides?"! Truth be told, yeah, it doesn't matter how the world ends. The message was clearly we suck and we're not doing anything to fix it but that's not true. I don't mind being told the world has problems that need to be fixed. I don't mind being told we're not doing enough yet. I do mind being told though that we're happily racing towards our destruction with carefree abandon and no one seems to give a damn. It was such a pessimistic and untrue view on how today's society works that I was just sitting there and thinking…'What the hell is this guy ranting about? Dammit, it's not that bad! In fact, it's a hell of a lot better than what they portray.' The world is actually improving a lot yet the film makes it seem like we're actually taking steps backwards rather than forward which is, again, not true!
! [hide][/hide]Now, given this movie could be construed as more of an environmental message but actually it was made pretty clear this movie wasn't just about the environment but overall human nature, greed, and self-interest which would lead to our own destruction beyond just the environment. The whole school scene where every teacher can't come up with any subject other than of apocalyptic nature but there's only one student to speak up about it (our main character)? Surely, a scene to give more significance and specialness to our MC but reinforcing the idea that the world is a terrible place and no one really cares to try and fix it. We should care more to try and fix our world but, hey, nobody cares! Do you all get it yet? No one cares! Look at our video games and movies! Look at the land, air, and oceans! Look at all the passive students! Look at them tearing down the space program! Look at this terrible thing, and this terrible thing, and this terrible thing! Nobody cares except this one little girl and a robot! Oh yeah, there are other dreamers out there but even they are useless and doomed in this world's pessimism.
! The worst part is it wasn't like, 'Hey, everything will be alright if you inspire hope!' No, it was, 'Destroy the pessimism machine because otherwise people will just continue to gobble it up no matter what you do because they're all a bunch of suicidal tools.'
! It completely ignores all the good people are doing on this earth in recent and previous years. It ignores the major environmental awareness that has been seeping into public consciousness in the 21st century. It ignores the fact that we're better positioned in history than ever before to make significant positive change. Again, the 1960s was the 'Good ol' times!?' HA! I'm not saying that there wasn't a lot of hope back then (as there is today) but in contrast to how the world is now I know which time I'd want to live in if I had a choice.
! I loved Wall-E. It inspired change. It didn't lie to people and say, 'Hey, you got into this position by no fault of your own but don't worry things will just work out fine for you if you continue down this way.' but it also didn't lie to people and say, 'Hey, you got into this position all by yourself and you just don't give a damn because even when given the options to change you won't take it and are glad to die off'. Wall-E was more realistic given the fact that when they had the chance to return to earth they took it and got out of their seats. They took the opportunity and made a change because people aren't always the terrible, terrible self-destructive species we make ourselves out to be. -
should have seen Fury Road instead imo
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We already saw it.
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What about When Marnie Was There? Did anyone see that?
Neither did I
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What about When Marnie Was There? Did anyone see that?
Neither did I
It hits Canadian theaters this weekend. Me and Captain Usopp plan to go on Saturday.
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What about When Marnie Was There? Did anyone see that?
Neither did I
I will whenever it comes out around here.
Still waiting for Moomins on the Riviera; the local arthouse theater was showing ads for it back when they were running Ernest and Celestine and we've still never gotten an actual release date yet.
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The Disney live-adaptation pile just keeps on growing
http://screenrant.com/fantasia-bald-mountain-disney-remake-live-action/
Would never have guessed this one though
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THR‘s report indicates that the Fantasia movie is going to feature the Chernabog character as its protagonist, much as Maleficent revolved around the eponymous Sleeping Beauty villain. Sazama and Sharpless were able to craft a morally-ambiguous version of a famous supernatural-powered baddie with their Dracula Untold script – so, a Chernabog film (which is what this movie sounds like it’s going to be) would lie in their wheelhouse, if nothing else.
Nononononononononononononono
That sure was a fleeting few minutes of curious interest
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@Daz:
The Disney live-adaptation pile just keeps on growing
http://screenrant.com/fantasia-bald-mountain-disney-remake-live-action/
Would never have guessed this one though
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Nononononononononononononono
That sure was a fleeting few minutes of curious interest
And once Phase One of the Disney Live Action Cinematic Universe has come to a close we'll have the Disney Princess Avengers crossover, with Samuel Jackson as eyepatched, gruff godparent Nick Fairy trying to get them to work as a team.
Belle: The brains, with a beast on command.
Aurora: Finally learning to control her curse, sends you to sleep with the prick of a needle.
Cinderella: Not only a trained army of vermin, but Glass stilettos can do some serious damage!
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@Daz:
The Disney live-adaptation pile just keeps on growing
http://screenrant.com/fantasia-bald-mountain-disney-remake-live-action/
Would never have guessed this one though
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Nononononononononononononono
That sure was a fleeting few minutes of curious interest
So they are literally trying to make Satan sympathetic.
Goddammit.
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I'm actually excited for Tangled the animated series.