Even an admiral has their limitations. Just because they're admirals, it doesn't mean they all powerful that nothing can withstand their attacks.
Is it really hard to believe that no one in Dressrosa can destroy the birdcage?
WB (the strongest man in the world) failed to destroy the reinforced walls at Marineford right? So why can't Doflamingo's birdcage be tough enough to withstand strong attacks?
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Even an admiral has their limitations. Just because they're admirals, it doesn't mean they all powerful that nothing can withstand their attacks.
Is it really hard to believe that no one in Dressrosa can destroy the birdcage?That is what I thought at the beginning of the birdcage, but I think that Zoro obviously having a plan to deal with it in some way is making people question its strength. Not to mention the good translation saying it can't cut through everything like we first thought.
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I think it all comes to size :ninja:
Zoro needed to be pretty close to cut Pika. I think it's probably the same for the birdcage. Surely he waited this long because the Bircage was too big. Now it's smaller and can be cut by 3 men. Though I think Fuji will join the gang. One swordman for each cardinal point.
As to why Fuji didn't cut it already. Well, same reason. It was too big even for him. I'm not underestimating the admiral. Sure he can destroy the island in no time with his devil fruit. But I really don't know if he can cut an island-sized cage alone. That's Mihawk thing. -
i´m pretty sure luffy will beat dd with a jet gatling
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After reading all this stuff about the bird cage, I have to wonder what the purpose really is, and really how well executed it's been used.
When bird cage was first used, it seemed more to keep everyone in, but that seems irrelevant. Luffy and everyone else wasn't going to escape. They all had grudges at that point that they would've gone after him no matter what. We could say that he didn't want some one to leave to blab the secrets he had. Problem is Doflamingo had protection to an extent, and the few who were undercover he probably could've had assassinated. It feels like by putting up the bird cage, he really put the spot light on him, losing all support of the people.
The bird cage is what is most likely stopping the transponder snails from going out, but Doflamingo could've used other methods. If the string is somehow able to stop the signal, why not just parasite the snails? You could easily just disable them, and not put a huge target on your back. This would give Fujitora less evidence, as he can't prove a parasite entered each snail, and the huge cage wouldn't be around to point at and say "he tried to kill everyone".
At first it seemed that the main reason of the bird cage was to keep everyone IN just like in the Flashback, but to my understanding the reason Dofla used it this time around was to keep everything a secret from the outside world - If one person leaves the Island, this person can leak the information that he gathered throughout their stay in Dressrosa. They were turned into toys but they remained conscious and with the ability to retain their memories after being turned to humans again.
Also Dofla did have the perfect way/plan to win this war, he just didn't secure his assets more carefully and at some point he started to be overconfident, but who wouldn't be overconfident with such of assets in his disposal.
Last thing would be adding tension. My problem is most arcs that have the "plot to add tension" hasn't worked for me. The only exceptions would be Enes Lobby and maybe Skypea. The tension I'm getting from this battle is from the pure beast that is Doflamingo, and wondering until now how he was going to be taken out by vastly weaker opponents. Especially for this arc, the added tension causes more problems than contributes to anything. With no explanation about the cage, we wonder why nothing has been tried on the cage. Heck, we've seen pirates and marines helping others at the beginning of this chapter, the fact that the stronger marines there haven't been like "let's call truce to get out of here alive" (like with Smoker in Alabasta), is confusing. Some might argue it's to give reason to not interfere with the fight, but going through a reread now, it's well established that the straw hats don't interfere in others fights, and everyone else is too weak to get caught in the cross fire.
I feel it's silly to argue about the small details of bird cage, when the whole execution has been shaky. The one thing I can really say is the aesthetic of the bird cage is cool.
This arc started great and it started to deteriorate, or, the arc is just too long that we as readers got tired of waiting for answers about certain things that are happening during this arc.
The strongest Marines around are Issho, Vastile (out of commission) and Maynard who will soon become Issho's puppet. Issho gave the order to protect the citizens, so there's nothing they can do but to follow orders.
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Desolve gravity fields binding it's atoms together.
Atoms are held together by the strong nuclear (color) force, not gravity.
And even if that weren't the case, you're assuming that Fujitora (a non-scientist, in a fictional world with, generally, substantially less advanced science than the current state of the real one) understands the structure of atoms on such a scale, something which wasn't accomplished in the real world until the 1970s.
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Atoms are held together by the strong nuclear (color) force, not gravity.
And even if that weren't the case, you're assuming that Fujitora (a non-scientist, in a fictional world with, generally, substantially less advanced science than the current state of the real one) understands the structure of atoms on such a scale, something which wasn't accomplished in the real world until the 1970s.
Yet, in some parts vastly more developed than our current world. Last I checked, there weren't cyborgs and fruits that could turn you into an animal being produced here.
Fujitora does seem to know about how his ability works pretty well. Enough to pick out meteorites and drag them down to the planet. What if he had a talk with Vegapunk and he explained some things to him? What if his superior Observation can pick out such minute details?
I don't know, I'm just bored, waiting for something.
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Atoms are held together by the strong nuclear (color) force, not gravity.
False.
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And even if that weren't the case, you're assuming that Fujitora (a non-scientist, in a fictional world with, generally, substantially less advanced science than the current state of the real one) understands the structure of atoms on such a scale, something which wasn't accomplished in the real world until the 1970s.
And I doubt If Luffy understands the principle of pressure and fluid flow mechanisms, let alone how it affects the oxygen flow and energy production rate of his body.
Yet, he seems to be able to use Gear 2 just fine. -
Oh man, applying physics and other sciences to One Piece is just my favorite thing!
One thing I would like to see is an extremely advanced but isolationist island. We've had ancient and prehistoric islands, why not a futuristic one?
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It's quite surprising to see zoro take action to stop bird cage.
Going by the normal behavior of shc everyone should have kept some faith in luffy that he'll finish the fight right in nick of time. But this didn't happen that would mean that either zoro will encounter someone interesting while trying to handle the cage while luffy defeats dofla in the next chapter or Dofla will come up with something new which will prolong the fight for 2 more chapters. -
Oh man, applying physics and other sciences to One Piece is just my favorite thing!
One thing I would like to see is an extremely advanced but isolationist island. We've had ancient and prehistoric islands, why not a futuristic one?
That's where we'll meet Vegapunk.
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Oh man, applying physics and other sciences to One Piece is just my favorite thing!
One thing I would like to see is an extremely advanced but isolationist island. We've had ancient and prehistoric islands, why not a futuristic one?
I'm not sure about Isolationist, but Vegapunk's island will be by far the most advanced thing we will ever see in One Piece Universe.
We might even get a better look at his home island again, since it wasn't really explored at all by Franky. And if it is called the island of Geniuses, there must be more than Vegapunk right?
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False.
Atoms are actually held together by Electro-magnetic forces.
Nucleons are held together into a nucleus by strong nuclear forces.The nucleus is the bit that 'is' an atom. You can completely ionize an atom, and it's still an atom, even though it has no electrons.
And I doubt If Luffy understands the principle of pressure and fluid flow mechanisms, let alone how it affects the oxygen flow and energy production rate of his body.
Yet, he seems to be able to use Gear 2 just fine.That's a little different from being able to manipulate the structure of things a million times too small to see.
Yet, in some parts vastly more developed than our current world. Last I checked, there weren't cyborgs and fruits that could turn you into an animal being produced here.
Those are examples of technologies, not necessarily advanced science. One of which is simply a duplication of something which already exists in that setting, the other of which highlights the differences between how that setting works relative to reality.
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I'm not sure about Isolationist, but Vegapunk's island will be by far the most advanced thing we will ever see in One Piece Universe.
We might even get a better look at his home island again, since it wasn't really explored at all by Franky. And if it is called the island of Geniuses, there must be more than Vegapunk right?
Seems like every second island or so, from now on, will be where each member will get a substantial upgrade to their skills and abilities. Will be interesting to see.
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The nucleus is the bit that 'is' an atom. You can completely ionize an atom, and it's still an atom, even though it has no electrons.
A nucleus is a nucleus. An atom is not the same without electrons. If you completely ionize an atom it is not considered an atom anymore.
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The nucleus is the bit that 'is' an atom. You can completely ionize an atom, and it's still an atom, even though it has no electrons.
Only it isn't. That's why it's called a nucleus not an atom.
Otherwise protons and neutrons are also atoms.
Which would imply, an atom is made up of smaller atoms sticking together into a big atom which when surrounded by a bunch of electrons makes for a giant atom.
A highly ridiculous terminology.That's a little different from being able to manipulate the structure of things a million times too small to see.
Why does Fujitora has to see something?
He just has to remove the gravity, that's all.
It's like putting a building on a flame to kill everyone inside. You don't have to see the people to kill them. Just burn everything, people included.Of course, manipulating gravity won't really make atoms collapse.
Electromagnetic forces maintaining the structure of an atom are way too strong for gravity to overpower.Although, I'm pretty sure Verus was just kidding.
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Those are examples of technologies, not necessarily advanced science. One of which is simply a duplication of something which already exists in that setting, the other of which highlights the differences between how that setting works relative to reality.
It's not a simple duplication when you consider that the only 2 people who can do it are genius scientists and evidently genetics experts.
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Luffy not using full body haki could've just as easily been a design decision so that Oda could have the tribal tattoo esque haki pattern on Luffys body.
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The bird cage is what is most likely stopping the transponder snails from going out, but Doflamingo could've used other methods. If the string is somehow able to stop the signal, why not just parasite the snails? You could easily just disable them, and not put a huge target on your back. This would give Fujitora less evidence, as he can't prove a parasite entered each snail, and the huge cage wouldn't be around to point at and say "he tried to kill everyone".
Parasiting Den Den Mushis seems a bit complicated considering that:
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They're not human.
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They're small and usually inside pockets.
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They send messages through mental signals, which Doula has no control of anyway.
And isn't the point of the birdcage to prevent people from leaving? He stated that a few times too.
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The reason Fuji doesn't want to break birdcage is if he summons a strong enough meteor it will probably encompass the entire island and hurt civilians too which he has no control over that as we saw in earlier chapters. That's what I think anyway.
Not to mention he'll get caught up in it too lol
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Oh man, applying physics and other sciences to One Piece is just my favorite thing!
One thing I would like to see is an extremely advanced but isolationist island. We've had ancient and prehistoric islands, why not a futuristic one?
We've had a taste of that from Franky's timeskip island I agree it would be a good concept maybe in this island Frankly can make some upgrades and augmentations.
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The reason Fuji doesn't want to break birdcage is if he summons a strong enough meteor it will probably encompass the entire island and hurt civilians too which he has no control over that as we saw in earlier chapters. That's what I think anyway.
Not to mention he'll get caught up in it too lol
Can't he just refuse to summon a meteor then? Seems to me like the reason is either incapability or the theory people have about him waiting for the climax to have a better argument against the Shichibukai.
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Why just not summon a meteor then? Seems to me like the reason is either incapability or the theory people have about him waiting for the climax to have a better argument against the Shichibukai.
Wait did you read what I wrote? I said he might destroy everything aka the entire island and the innocent people in it.
Not to mention it's not in his jurisdiction to attack a warlord but until he has proof that he can present to the marines of Doffy's wrongdoings he has no authority to beat the shit out of him. This man is an admiral, seems like their strength is so understated by the fantom these days but they're EoS level bosses and luckily for Strawhats this one in question happens to be good.
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Wait did you read what I wrote? I said he might destroy everything aka the entire island and the innocent people in it.
I phrased it incorrectly. Meant that he doesn't have to summon a meteor at all.
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Ok, seriously now, when did summoning a meteorite become Fujitora's only way to break stuff? Need to stop thinking about those damn meteors.
Fujitora himself should have realized early in the arc that Dofla's strings can cut his meteors same as if they were falling chunks of butter.
Yeah, let's try to destroy ultra thin razor sharp weightless strings with a big boulder! Brilliant.
I'd be really disappointed if a character that was modeled after Zatoichi couldn't perform devastating attacks that are based on precision instead on destroying a large area. Even more so when he can probably make his slashes stronger with gravity. Yes, sideways gravity opens up that door pretty wide.
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Well, it isn't an attack as much as it is a move designed entirely to trap people, so it has to be tough.
Don't forget that Doula can make strings that are tough enough to stop a Diamond Man.
That same move was casually stopped by Law in the SH ship, while he was in really bad shape. He caught Jozu off guard, which is why it worked as well as it did.
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Ok, seriously now, when did summoning a meteorite become Fujitora's only way to break stuff? Need to stop thinking about those damn meteors.
Fujitora himself should have realized early in the arc that Dofla's strings can cut his meteors same as if they were falling chunks of butter.
Yeah, let's try to destroy ultra thin razor sharp weightless strings with a big boulder! Brilliant.
I'd be really disappointed if a character that was modeled after Zatoichi couldn't perform devastating attacks that are based on precision instead on destroying a large area. Even more so when he can probably make his slashes stronger with gravity. Yes, sideways gravity opens up that door pretty wide.
The entire scene is total bullshit and it's ridiculous that people try to defend it IMO. It's like a red dart for fans who pretty much accept anything a mangaka does. Fuji could have tried any other attack using gravity but instead brings in something that would obviously get cut up.
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I phrased it incorrectly. Meant that he doesn't have to summon a meteor at all.
No he doesn't but who's going to protect his men and the civilians if he wanders off towards birdcage? Let's say zoro does stop birdcage wouldn't it be safe to assume that he too can perform such a feat? Personally, I wouldn't put it beyond his capabilities.
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No he doesn't but who's going to protect his men and the civilians if he wanders off towards birdcage? Let's say zoro does stop birdcage wouldn't it be safe to assume that he too can perform such a feat? Personally, I wouldn't put it beyond his capabilities.
True, but personally I don't believe Zoro can do it ;) I think Law's fruit makes him the best candidate, but it doesn't seem like even he is capable. As Razh has previosuly written, the cage can also have gotten weaker. If that's the case, Zoro being able to cut it would make sense.
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True, but personally I don't believe Zoro can do it ;) I think Law's fruit makes him the best candidate, but it doesn't seem like even he is capable. As Razh has previosuly written, the cage can also have gotten weaker. If that's the case, Zoro being able to cut it would make sense.
This is kind of a lame point to make but doesn't it seem that Zoro is Oda's bias these days, he will definitely enable Zoro to cut the damn strings of birdcage haha.
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This is kind of a lame point to make but doesn't it seem that Zoro is Oda's bias these days, he will definitely enable Zoro to cut the damn strings of birdcage haha.
I thought the same when he defeated Pica. I miss the fights where his endurance would be showcased more than anything, and hopefully that will happen again in Wano or Zou. And the generous time limit makes it feel less threatening, so I honestly wouldn't mind it just being cut so the fight can get more attention.
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I thought the same when he defeated Pica. I miss the fights where his endurance would be showcased more than anything, and hopefully that will happen again in Wano or Zou. And the generous time limit makes it feel less threatening, so I honestly wouldn't mind it just being cut so the fight can get more attention.
I think my point is further cemented when the coloseum fighters were in awe after he cut giant pica like it was nothing and they were like wow he has this much power yet didn't enter the competition. Although us as readers knew he wanted to but didn't know it existed lol he would wreck their entire arena if he joined and make light work of everyone there. Except Sabo. THIS right here was prime example of plot convenience but missed opportunity imagine Zoro versus Sabo.
After we were able to gauge what level Doffy's top executives were at it's not even ludicrous to say Zoro could 1 v 3 them in a handicap match. But since the series has 10 years or so left (or so it's stated) maybe in relation to that it would be unfair to make Zoro struggle this early on in the New World.
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I think my point is further cemented when the coloseum fighters were in awe after he cut giant pica like it was nothing and they were like wow he has this much power yet didn't enter the competition. Although us as readers knew he wanted to but didn't know it existed lol he would wreck their entire arena if he joined and make light work of everyone there. Except Sabo. THIS right here was prime example of plot convenience but missed opportunity imagine Zoro versus Sabo lol
Indeed that would be awesome. Although I suspect they would end up joining forces, and Zoro would probably end up ruining his cover someway or another. I wonder however if Sabo as a logia could leave the birdcage. Lots of unanswered questions about that technique..
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A nucleus is a nucleus. An atom is not the same without electrons. If you completely ionize an atom it is not considered an atom anymore.
Only it isn't. That's why it's called a nucleus not an atom.
A deuteron is an atom of deuterium (the isotope of hydrogen which contains 1 proton and 1 neutron) which has been stripped of its electron.
Atomic ions are still atoms. And just as a sodium cation is still an atom, so is a hydrogen cation.
Otherwise protons and neutrons are also atoms.
If I collide two atoms of deuterium together at the appropriate relative velocity, I will get an atom of helium.
By your reasoning, many atoms are already made up of smaller atoms sticking together, no matter what.
Really, though, atom just means it's the smallest component that retains the properties of the chemical element.
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Indeed that would be awesome. Although I suspect they would end up joining forces, and Zoro would probably end up ruining his cover someway or another. I wonder however if Sabo as a logia could leave the birdcage. Lots of unanswered questions about that technique..
We don't really know for certain if those strings are coated in haki and if they are then no logia can slip through them but I can imagine someone super thin just fitting through the gap jumping in and out and laughing at the others who can't do the same. That'd be funny.
But if those things are coated in haki that would be bullshit on a grand scale because to my understanding I think you need to maintain concentration to keep haki going… So yeah I think logia users can escape.
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@Razh & Strongestswordsman - We knew before hand from the battle that Doffy's strings were capable of cutting up the meteors but had Fuji not even attempted to bring down the cage with the meteors don't you think everyone in the story and us readers might question why he didn't at least try?
It's not like every string Dofy makes has the same properties so why not just test and see?
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@Razh & Strongestswordsman - We knew before hand from the battle that Doffy's strings were capable of cutting up the meteors but had Fuji not even attempted to bring down the cage with the meteors don't you think everyone in the story and us readers might question why he didn't at least try?
It's not like every string Dofy makes has the same properties so why not just test and see?
Also, to add to your point and really this is more directed at Razh but the reason most people yap on about Fuji's meteor attack is because that's the only long range area of effect attack we've seen of his, we can't really discuss the rest of his arsenal when we haven't really seen anything else and we are excluding his swordsmanship because he's in the middle of the island nowhere near the cage itself as of yet.
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@Razh & Strongestswordsman - We knew before hand from the battle that Doffy's strings were capable of cutting up the meteors but had Fuji not even attempted to bring down the cage with the meteors don't you think everyone in the story and us readers might question why he didn't at least try?
It's not like every string Dofy makes has the same properties so why not just test and see?
Which makes him dropping the meteor even more idiotic. Lets not act like the meteor attack is anywhere near his best attack, he was doing it previously while he was eating ramen. Lets just stop going in circles here and remember that any Admiral is able to crush an attack that someone of Doflamingo's caliber can create while he fights another. He didn't try hard enough to crush it. Hell any Admiral will be able to crush any attack that Doflamingo will throw at them, let alone something he just leaves alone while he fights somebody else.
I personally wish Fujitora never showed up in this arc since I don't remember reading a more useless character in manga in years (in terms of their capabilities and what they're actually doing). Thankfully we have an one of the best storylines storylines built around Law and Doflamingo to push this arc to some incredible high levels at times, but the former has already gotten the Vegeta treatment where the shonen MC has to be the hero because shonen MC has to be the hero. I think Fujitora is one of the only characters in One Piece that I genuinely dislike which is an incredible thing to say considering how much I really enjoy every other Admiral, Sengoku and Garp.
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Also, to add to your point and really this is more directed at Razh but the reason most people yap on about Fuji's meteor attack is because that's the only long range area of effect attack we've seen of his, we can't really discuss the rest of his arsenal when we haven't really seen anything else and we are excluding his swordsmanship because he's in the middle of the island nowhere near the cage itself as of yet.
You're right, it's not like he move a rock, levitate and fly really quickly where he needs to go to destroy it. If he only had the power of gravity to move but unfortunately he does not. Or even try to do something, but I guess it's important that he brings the people together, because fodder marines are simply incapable of doing such a difficult task!
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I do like Luffys look. The manga took a turn after crossing the red line. It got more action oriented, more grown-up, less funny and childish. That is needed to finish the manga.
Well, it is quite obvious that Luffy wont defeat Dofla that easy right now.
Zoro will play an important role, cutting the birdcage will weaken Dofla crucial, I guess.In my opinion, Oda should resume Nami and Sanjis storyline again. Some variety would be good now.
If we jumped to what was happening on the Sunny now, that would be horrible pacing. Then we'd have to cut back to Dressrosa to finish it up and that would just be terrible. We should finish what's going on on the island then go to the Sunny and see that instead of jumping around and ruining pacing and tension. That would upset a lot of people I'm sure.
Zoro indirectly hurting Doflamingo by cutting or stalling the bird cage would be interesting.
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I'm not sure about Isolationist, but Vegapunk's island will be by far the most advanced thing we will ever see in One Piece Universe.
We might even get a better look at his home island again, since it wasn't really explored at all by Franky. And if it is called the island of Geniuses, there must be more than Vegapunk right?
Vegapunk's home island was advanced because of his inventions, but I'm thinking straight-up futuristic. The reason it would have to be isolationist is because otherwise word of their super-advanced tech would get around. Imagine a reverse-Skypeia where the arc is mostly self-contained and based on pure adventure. The Strawhats are driven off course my a storm and suddenly run into an invisible object, which they soon realize is a cloaked floating(?) island. On land they tour a futuristic city full of impossible skyscrapers and amazing contraptions. As they explore the paradise they see people of all races living in harmony together, castaways from society and shipwrecked travelers, but they begin to notice odd behaviors that suggest a dark secret, like say the leaders of the country kill anyone they think doesn't fit in. Eventually they discover a powerful faction that wants to adapt their peaceful technology to subjugate the rest of the Grand Line. The Strawhats fight and manage to defeat them before leaving and swearing to keep the secret of the island. Robin or someone else probably finds out more about the Void Century while there too. Basically it's Atlantis/Arcadia.
It could be a standout arc for Franky, Chopper, and Nami. Usopp could get upgrades too.
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Which makes him dropping the meteor even more idiotic. Lets not act like the meteor attack is anywhere near his best attack, he was doing it previously while he was eating ramen. Lets just stop going in circles here and remember that any Admiral is able to crush an attack that someone of Doflamingo's caliber can create while he fights another. He didn't try hard enough to crush it. Hell any Admiral will be able to crush any attack that Doflamingo will throw at them, let alone something he just leaves alone while he fights somebody else.
I personally wish Fujitora never showed up in this arc since I don't remember reading a more useless character in manga in years (in terms of their capabilities and what they're actually doing). Thankfully we have an one of the best storylines storylines built around Law and Doflamingo to push this arc to some incredible high levels at times, but the former has already gotten the Vegeta treatment where the shonen MC has to be the hero because shonen MC has to be the hero. I think Fujitora is one of the only characters in One Piece that I genuinely dislike which is an incredible thing to say considering how much I really enjoy every other Admiral, Sengoku and Garp.
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You're right, it's not like he move a rock, levitate and fly really quickly where he needs to go to destroy it. If he only had the power of gravity to move but unfortunately he does not. Or even try to do something, but I guess it's important that he brings the people together, because fodder marines are simply incapable of doing such a difficult task!
The sarcasm is strong with this one but like you said fodder marine seem incapable to do anything on their own I mean it's not like their second in command on the island was incapacitated by a certain revolutionary. You think marines can scatter and gather the civilians and protect them all on their own, think again. Levitating on a rock and fly towards the cage while there's crazy shit going on? Hmm not to mention he's blind what is he going to do when he reaches the cage bump into it first to know where it is in relation to himself? "ouch, so that's where it is"
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In which chapter was the meteor dropped on the Bird Cage?
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In which chapter was the meteor dropped on the Bird Cage?
In Chapter 751.
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Fuji was just putting in the minimum required effort needed for him to be able to say he tried to stop the birdcage. :silly:
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Regarding the meteor and Birdcage:
I've already explained this but using a meteor accomplished multiple goals at once. It casually tested the cage, casually tested Sabo, and forced any witnesses in the surrounding area to evacuate. It's not an idiotic ploy. The man is the smartest and most strategic admiral we've had so far.
Also, we haven't seen Fujitora at all since the Birdcage started shrinking. Before it merely contained everyone but wasn't actively threatening. Now it is, but it doesn't seem like anyone has died just yet. We have no idea what Fujitora is currently up to and no permanent harm has been done by the Birdcage quite yet so let's stop acting like he's useless and powerless, okay?
And stop acting like Admirals dwarf Doflamingo in power. It's blatantly false and obnoxious to boot.
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Fuji was just putting in the minimum required effort needed for him to be able to say he tried to stop the birdcage. :silly:
He's decided to take a backseat role and gamble on the future king to take Doffy out for him, that way he can't get in trouble and can feel why Luffy has been so hyped by so many :)
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Regarding the meteor and Birdcage:
I've already explained this but using a meteor accomplished multiple goals at once. It casually tested the cage, casually tested Sabo, and forced any witnesses in the surrounding area to evacuate. It's not an idiotic ploy. The man is the smartest and most strategic admiral we've had so far.
Also, we haven't seen Fujitora at all since the Birdcage started shrinking. Before it merely contained everyone but wasn't actively threatening. Now it is, but it doesn't seem like anyone has died just yet. We have no idea what Fujitora is currently up to and no permanent harm has been done by the Birdcage quite yet so let's stop acting like he's useless and powerless, okay?
And stop acting like Admirals dwarf Doflamingo in power. It's blatantly false and obnoxious to boot.
Lol I agreed with everything up until you said admirals don't dwarf Doffy in power. They do my friend and they dwarf luffy too and luffy is handing Doffy his ass at the moment. I think the word dwarf is the wrong word to use, the admirals are stronger but not insanely stronger that they would dwarf them.
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Is the Fujitora hate still going on, the whole purpose of Fujitora being here, is just witnessing, what shichibukais really do, report and crush the system.
What good would be of Fujitora kill everyone on the Island, sure. He can get rid of the next pirate King, which is still debatable because he knows not much of straw hat luffy, and a shichibukai, but there are 5 more, and will be more in the future, even beyond luffy being pirate king, pirates will always exist, What Fujitora is trying to do is crush the core for the future, which is pretty fuccking heroic if you ask me.
Love fujitora.
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In Chapter 751.
Thanks! I have always thought that those meteors were aimed at Sabo rather than actively trying to get rid of the cage
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Thanks! I have always thought that those meteors were aimed at Sabo rather than actively trying to get rid of the cage
You are correct, indeed they were.
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@LordEnel:
Is the Fujitora hate still going on, the whole purpose of Fujitora being here, is just witnessing, what shichibukais really do, report and crush the system.
What good would be of Fujitora kill everyone on the Island, sure. He can get rid of the next pirate King, which is still debatable because he knows not much of straw hat luffy, and a shichibukai, but there are 5 more, and will be more in the future, even beyond luffy being pirate king, pirates will always exist, What Fujitora is trying to do is crush the core for the future, which is pretty fuccking heroic if you ask me.
Love fujitora.
I love him too, in my opinion he can defeat every single person in the island on his own. All at once too. There I said it.
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@Galaxy:
In Chapter 751.
Holy shit. I can't believe that was like more than 30 chapters ago.
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Lol I agreed with everything up until you said admirals don't dwarf Doffy in power. They do my friend and they dwarf luffy too and luffy is handing Doffy his ass at the moment. I think the word dwarf is the wrong word to use, the admirals are stronger but not insanely stronger that they would dwarf them.
Sure they're stronger but some people act like Fujitora should be able to crush Doflamingo with his little finger. Mingo and Luffy are stronger than Vice Admirals and the near equivalent of top Yonkou commanders. I'm trying to avoid power levels but seriously. Two steps away from Admiral strength at most.
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Fuji was just putting in the minimum required effort needed for him to be able to say he tried to stop the birdcage. :silly:
Minimum effort? C'mon he brought down a meteor that got easily cut down by Doflamingo before, of course that was going to work this time because reasons. It was a perfect plan, I'm sure I saw sweat out of Fujitora's forehead when he brought it down as well, unlike that other time he did while eating ramen.