About Luffy's and DD's words. Luffy knew about DD cause law said what he did, but how would DD know Luffy is at half of his power? I don't see how that's more then a simple assumption.
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He is just more experienced and older. Keeping cool head during a fight even in situation that he is in atm.
If difference was so big then Luffy would not be able to land Eagle Bazooka or other attacks, Doflamingo instead of running away would simply catch and counter Luffys attack like Hawk Gattling.
Luffy feels slightly faster than Doflamingo but bit behind him when it comes to firepower(Elephant Gattling could possibly break spiders net but still it feels like Luffy isnt throwing into the fight all that he has - proof of it being gear 4th being revealed at end of chapter).I have a feeling that Doflamingo is spreading his invisible string trap during current fight with Luffy, after Trebol blown himself up.
He will surely try to stop Luffy with it before their fight will end after he starts to get pushed back by Luffy.Luffy is definitely fast there's no questioning that. He was able to land those attacks on Doflamingo because of that and the element of surprise; I think that's why the first hawk riffle hurt so much. Gear three would hurt Doflamingo, but it just can't hit him. I feel like Luffy has been going all out, but he's not effective which is why he's unveiling a new gear. With all his effort Luffy still gets thrown around like a rag doll since Doflamingo has stronger haki and more strength in general.
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What's the biggest accomplishment in here? Almost killed an injured Shishibukai! And conqueror is a plus I guess.
Well he was the one that injuried law in the first place…
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Getting him self unfrozen was really that tiring ha? Did not break a sweat against sanji. One metorite against fuji, well more like half a metorite. Chasing law was like swinging on his spider web.
Now from where law's hand contacted doffy for that organ shreder, what organs would be present there anatomically? Doffy as big as he is, i would expect his organs to be bigger than a normal person. Now the question is would damage there take away from his strengh, would his muscles lose any of their power, would he lose blood? People lose blood in such quantities that losing blood should be no big deal. What about his ability for ventilation and respiration? Well the blow was somewhere in the abdomen, looked lower than where his diaphram is located and too low for his lungs. Now considering the way doffy still moves and fight, what way did he lose strengh? He has been fighting, he took damage, getting fatiqued, just like luffy, i also wonder if luffy was really tired after fighting don chinjao like he told cabbage? So how precise was doffy comment on luffy being half way done as in dead? Having said all that, @ DHL are'nt you being slightly bias toward doffy?Who says the attack only affects the organs around the point of impact? It might as well just have messed up all of his insides.
The only fights which have plausibly tired Luffy were against Chinjao and Bellamy. If you compare those to the treatment Doffy got with the red hawk and both of Law's attacks, it is pretty clear to me which of them started with the bigger handicap.
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I know Sanji being a royal prince theory is a old one but here is a video that talks more into it and makes it interesting
I know that most people here will start saying that most of the things mentioned is just Oda gag of joking with Sanji, but before you say that, remember that Oda is also known for turning a joke into a serious plot/story, example:
Mr Pink- him dressing like a baby, no one saw the twist in that joke
Baby 5_ the "he/she needs me" a joke that no one saw having a story behind it
Sanji nose bleed- became a serious thing in fishman island.
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Well he was the one that injuried law in the first place…
Don't forget Issho man
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I know Sanji being a royal prince theory is a old one but here is a video that talks more into it and makes it interesting
I know that most people here will start saying that most of the things mentioned is just Oda gag of joking with Sanji, but before you say that, remember that Oda is also known for turning a joke into a serious plot/story, example:
Mr Pink- him dressing like a baby, no one saw the twist in that joke
Baby 5_ the "he/she needs me" a joke that no one saw having a story behind it
Sanji nose bleed- became a serious thing in fishman island.
EtcIt's really interesting to read this theory now, I liked the part of Absalom taking the picture way more than Sanji being this prince who will need rescue later on in the story.
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Getting him self unfrozen was really that tiring ha? Did not break a sweat against sanji. One metorite against fuji, well more like half a metorite. Chasing law was like swinging on his spider web.
Now from where law's hand contacted doffy for that organ shreder, what organs would be present there anatomically? Doffy as big as he is, i would expect his organs to be bigger than a normal person. Now the question is would damage there take away from his strengh, would his muscles lose any of their power, would he lose blood? People lose blood in such quantities that losing blood should be no big deal. What about his ability for ventilation and respiration? Well the blow was somewhere in the abdomen, looked lower than where his diaphram is located and too low for his lungs. Now considering the way doffy still moves and fight, what way did he lose strengh? He has been fighting, he took damage, getting fatiqued, just like luffy, i also wonder if luffy was really tired after fighting don chinjao like he told cabbage? So how precise was doffy comment on luffy being half way done as in dead? Having said all that, @ DHL are'nt you being slightly bias toward doffy?My ideas aren't alone, I don't know if you watch a lot of reviews on Youtube etc. But it really is commonly agreed.
As some guy said, a few bruises isn't really much compared to "shredded" organs.
Law said it destroyed his internal organs, note plural. Doflamingo isn't healing but keeping them at a state where he can function.
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Gear 4th, could have something to do with the blood/veins, other than the bumping of course.
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Eventhough I'd agree that Luffy shouldn't be that handicapped, it's pretty clear to me that Oda's purpose of this little conversation is to have them be equally handicapped,
But judging from that conversation Doflamingo said he is "halfway there" does that mean Luffy is on 50% health? (invisible hp bars are inevitable lol).
Now that this is THE fight people can't be saying, Luffy hit Doflamingo so now Doflamingo is handicapped or Doflamingo hit Luffy and Luffy is now handicapped.
This is a fight, the person that can deal the most damage and defeat his opponent is the winner.
If one can injure their opponent in battle and win, that's their win, not a handicap to the other opponent.
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I wonder if Doflamingo is getting defeated on this week's episode.
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I wonder if Doflamingo is getting defeated on this week's episode.
Episode? We might see the 1080 Pound cannon if we're lucky
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I don't know how can you compare having your insides teared apart by a crazy attack like Law's, than having a few bruises here and there, and still say they're just equally handicapped.
Seriously. It gave the impression that Oda was trying to make it seem as if they were equal in terms of damage based on that conversation, and I was confused on how any of it made any bloody sense.
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Don't forget law didn't have his heart ma man.
He has always been heartless. Are you saying that no heart = no damage?
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Seriously. It gave the impression that Oda was trying to make it seem as if they were equal in terms of damage based on that conversation, and I was confused on how any of it made any bloody sense.
Only something that powermanga can clarify.
I think it was just banter. Luffy taunting Flamingo to defeat him, then Doflamingo being hardcore saying he was halfway there. Then Luffy commenting on Doflamingo who is pretty much acting like he took nothing from the Gamma knife.
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@DHL:
But judging from that conversation Doflamingo said he is "halfway there" does that mean Luffy is on 50% health? (invisible hp bars are inevitable lol).
I don't think it is meant in the literal sense, just Oda's way of saying Luffy is just as handicapped. Normally it would be the fodder that would narrate on what's happening in battles, here he uses Doffy instead. Maybe Luffy doesn't have any internal injuries, but he might be tired as hell, since he's the only one panting and pretty much confirming that he's hurt by responding with "you're hurt TOO". Like I said, I do think Doffy should be hurt more than Luffy because of Law's attacks, it's just Oda saying they're equally as hurt going into the finale.
@DHL:
Now that this is THE fight people can't be saying, Luffy hit Doflamingo so now Doflamingo is handicapped or Doflamingo hit Luffy and Luffy is now handicapped.
This is a fight, the person that can deal the most damage and defeat his opponent is the winner.
If one can injure their opponent in battle and win, that's their win, not a handicap to the other opponent.
Exactly, that's the whole purpose of the conversation, it's THE final battle and everything that has happened before has hurt them equally and doesn't matter anymore. Gear 4th is the beginning of the final battle with all else equal and noone interfering or having an unfair advantage.
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I don't think it is meant in the literal sense, just Oda's way of saying Luffy is just as handicapped. Normally it would be the fodder that would narrate on what's happening in battles, here he uses Doffy instead. Maybe Luffy doesn't have any internal injuries, but he might be tired as hell, since he's the only one panting and pretty much confirming that he's hurt by responding with "you're hurt TOO". Like I said, I do think Doffy should be hurt more than Luffy because of Law's attacks, it's just Oda saying they're equally as hurt going into the finale.
Exactly, that's the whole purpose of the conversation, it's THE final battle and everything that has happened before has hurt them equally and doesn't matter anymore. Gear 4th is the beginning of the final battle with all else equal and noone interfering or having an unfair advantage.
What I meant was on the terms of the Luffy and Lucci fight, where Luffy damaged Luccis legs. People could argue " Lucci was handicapped. If it wasn't for that he ccould have defeated Luffy." Luffy is at his state now after Do flamingo punked him. Gear 4 will be a tide changer and I hope it really is an equal battle.
I personally don't see how they are equally damaged pre-fight. Luffy seems like he's counting on Laws damage after previous dialogue.
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@DHL:
What I meant was on the terms of the Luffy and Lucci fight, where Luffy damaged Luccis legs. People could argue " Lucci was handicapped. If it wasn't for that he ccould have defeated Luffy." Luffy is at his state now after Do flamingo punked him. Gear 4 will be a tide changer and I hope it really is an equal battle.
Oh ok, gotcha. Yeah, whatever they do to eachother shouldn't count as being handicapped.
@DHL:
I personally don't see how they are equally damaged pre-fight. Luffy seems like he's counting on Laws damage after previous dialogue.
Well that's why there's the convo that I mentioned before with both Doffy and Luffy saying how Luffy is weakened a lot (not just weak to begin with). Even though we might say that Doffy should be hurt more, we can only go by how things seem with Doffy's internal damage vs Luffy's bruising(which is internal damage as well btw). We don't know what the actual amount of damage done is. We do however know that Doffy and Luffy themselves pretty much confirm in that conversation, that Luffy is handicapped quite a lot already. After that Luffy is counting on Laws damage to have leveled that playing field again.
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Why is Fujitora not doing anything about Doflamingo's cage? He could easily push it back with his powers, or even sever it at the source.
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Why is Fujitora not doing anything about Doflamingo's cage? He could easily push it back with his powers, or even sever it at the source.
16 chars of Please don't.
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Why is Fujitora not doing anything about Doflamingo's cage? He could easily push it back with his powers, or even sever it at the source.
16 chars of Please don't.
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Oh ok, gotcha. Yeah, whatever they do to eachother shouldn't count as being handicapped.
Well that's why there's the convo that I mentioned before with both Doffy and Luffy saying how Luffy is weakened a lot (not just weak to begin with). Even though we might say that Doffy should be hurt more, we can only go by how things seem with Doffy's internal damage vs Luffy's bruising(which is internal damage as well btw). We don't know what the actual amount of damage done is. We do however know that Doffy and Luffy themselves pretty much confirm in that conversation, that Luffy is handicapped quite a lot already. After that Luffy is counting on Laws damage to have leveled that playing field again.
It doesn't make much sense for Luffy to be anywhere near handicapped or hurt all that much. He's taken a few shots here and there and nothing more. We know what's confirmed, the issue is that what has been been confirmed makes no sense at all unless it's banter as DHL says.
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I swear, next time someone mention Issho doing nothing I'm gonna put my foot on someone's face.
Seriously, this is getting annoying by now.
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I swear, next time someone mention Issho doing nothing I'm gonna put my foot on someone's face.
Seriously, this is getting annoying by now.
Issho has done nothing.
Your move. :ninja:
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Issho has done nothing.
Your move. :ninja:
Yeah, but does it need to be mentioned every single chapter thread?
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Yeah, but does it need to be mentioned every single chapter thread?
I don't get why Isshou is not destroying the bird cage.
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Yeah, but does it need to be mentioned every single chapter thread?
I kinda made peace with it. It's not that Issho has done nothing, but it's like he's been browsing the stores and trying out clothes, but never actually bought anything.
Sometimes I think this arc would have benefited more if marines were led by someone with a lower profile. Strong as hell but not quite like an admiral. I'm not even bothered by Issho's inactivity (since it can have a senbsible explanation later on) as much as I was bothered that Bastille and Maynard were marginalized so badly.
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It doesn't make much sense for Luffy to be anywhere near handicapped or hurt all that much. He's taken a few shots here and there and nothing more. We know what's confirmed, the issue is that what has been been confirmed makes no sense at all unless it's banter as DHL says.
It does make sense, all it takes is to not downplay everything Luffy had to endure up till then. Luffy's literally panting and wheezing after knocking out Bellamy, taking hits, coughing up blood, fighting an equal battle against another HH user in Don Chinjao, fighting off Cavendish, fighting off and running from Pica, clashing with Fujitora, saving Violet from Gladius etc etc. Again if you downplay that to 'not all that much', yeah then it won't make much sense.
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Yeah, but does it need to be mentioned every single chapter thread?
It is a testament to characters presence.
Admirals and Yonko are THE top. They have been build up so much, that the very thought of somebody of that caliber being sidelined to that degree is incomprehensible.
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@LordEnel:
I don't get why Isshou is not destroying the bird cage.
Noone got killed by it. Fujitora is betting on the Strawhats to get rid of the evil that the government has allowed to be in such a position. If someone else that's not the government gets rid of Doffy and the birdcage by extension, it exposes the shichibukai system much more than an admiral just cleaning up the mess for a shichibukai(and thus effectively keeping the shichibukai as a viable option).
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Noone got killed by it. Fujitora is betting on the Strawhats to get rid of the evil that the government has allowed to be in such a position. If someone else that's not the government gets rid of Doffy and the birdcage by extension, it exposes the shichibukai system much more than an admiral just cleaning up the mess for a shichibukai(and thus effectively keeping the shichibukai as a viable option).
This. People need to get this. Fuji has a higher motive and deems the current situation as the best move to achieve that.
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We're in an infinite loop.
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@LordEnel:
I don't get why Isshou is not destroying the bird cage.
Maybe he can't. Maybe it would create casualities. Maybe he is busy eating popcorn.
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He has always been heartless. Are you saying that no heart = no damage?
As shown in punk hazard, law having his own heart seems too give him full power. Was he not somewhat limited with Caesars heart? Plus doffy was the one that was more aggressive. Fuji was just dropping meteors on everyone.
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Fujitora is doing nothing to birdcage because Oda used his broken DF again, the same move that made beasts like Sanji and Jozu do nothing, 'Pa(IS)-rasite'.:ninja:
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@LordEnel:
I don't get why Isshou is not destroying the bird cage.
Issho: This birdcage. I wonder if it can stop my meteor.
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@DHL:
Issho: This birdcage. I wonder if it can stop my meteor.
Attacking tough thin sharp strings with a chunk of rock is the way to go. :ninja:
Nevermind his sword skills or the ability to make holes and tunnels.
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As shown in punk hazard, law having his own heart seems too give him full power. Was he not somewhat limited with Caesars heart? Plus doffy was the one that was more aggressive. Fuji was just dropping meteors on everyone.
Law trying to get his heart was just a safety measure cuz what was gonna be the point on attacking Vergo again when he was going to hurt his heart as soon as Law does something.
We know that Issho first attack was a meteorite but we do not know anything else besides both Dofla and Issho going against Law.
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How many times did Oda draw a completely black panel like the one at the end of the chapter ? :wassat:
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This. People need to get this. Fuji has a higher motive and deems the current situation as the best move to achieve that.
People rather defend their inital stance instead of trying to figure out Oda's reasoning for doing things.
Attacking tough thin sharp strings with a chunk of rock is the way to go. :ninja:
Nevermind his sword skills or the ability to make holes and tunnels.
To be fair, even titanium would melt from the heat of a meteor, especially if it was a thin string. Too bad the string is reinforced with plot armament.
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To be fair, even titanium would melt from the heat of a meteor, especially if it was a thin string. Too bad the string is reinforced with plot armament.
Also, too bad that the force of impact of those falling meteor slices was reduced with plot containment.
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Also, too bad that the force of impact of those falling meteor slices was reduced with plot containment.
16 chars of touche
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Hmm.
Now that I think about it, Issho might have reduced the gravity when he realized it won't work, so those chunks might have hit the ground at considerably reduced speed.
We will never know for sure…
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Law trying to get his heart was just a safety measure cuz what was gonna be the point on attacking Vergo again when he was going to hurt his heart as soon as Law does something.
We know that Issho first attack was a meteorite but we do not know anything else besides both Dofla and Issho going against Law.
Well to clear it up doffy provided Most of the damage. Plus the move he used to severe laws Imo tops any of crocs attacks. The slicing of huge structures with one kick was just awesome. I think croc now could be alot stronger with haki and new moves but in terms of tactics and fighting style doffy has him beat.
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To be fair, even titanium would melt from the heat of a meteor, especially if it was a thin string. Too bad the string is reinforced with plot armament.
Not neccesarily. Unless he wants to destroy half the city, he would have to slow it down before it hits, which lowers the temperature.
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To be fair, even titanium would melt from the heat of a meteor, especially if it was a thin string. Too bad the string is reinforced with plot armament.
In odaverse dofys birdcage is made of ultra sharp strong strings capable of slicing meteors. In odaverse the meteors might burn through the birdcage if it was exposed long enough to the intense heat which was not the case. Since you're willing to discuss real world physics do you care to provide data about at whichtemperature titanium melts? Andhow long it has to be exposed to that heat?
I don't undeestand how using real world physics to backup a plot move is valid? Especially if nearly anything in this manga can't be explained by real world physics.Edit: Now that i think about it… It's also entirely possible that fuji is able to destroy the birdcage by raining multiple meteors on the same spot. Problem is the collateral damage would'verse been really really bad.
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I need a chapter this week to make up for how horrible last week was and also to lighten this one since I'm going to my first funeral either end of this week or next week…
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In odaverse dofys birdcage is made of ultra sharp strong strings capable of slicing meteors. In odaverse the meteors might burn through the birdcage if it was exposed long enough to the intense heat which was not the case. Since you're willing to discuss real world physics do you care to provide data about at whichtemperature titanium melts? Andhow long it has to be exposed to that heat?
I don't undeestand how using real world physics to backup a plot move is valid? Especially if nearly anything in this manga can't be explained by real world physics.Try to read my post in context then come back…
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People rather defend their inital stance instead of trying to figure out Oda's reasoning for doing things.
That is just plain not true, when you had people analizing it to downright psychotic degree to prove that no matter what it is, it doesn't make any sense.
I cannot agree with any stance saying that certain impretetations of an art work are just inherently wrong.
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That is just plain not true, when you had people analizing it to downright psychotic degree to prove that no matter what it is, it doesn't make any sense.
I cannot agree with any stance saying that certain impretetations of an art work are just inherently wrong.
This is exactly my point. If you aren't trying to prove anything you can actually look at the possibilities that are available instead.
I'm not saying that everyone that says it's bullshit is just being stubborn, but dismissing it as not making sense cause you can't follow the reasoning isn't helping at all.
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Oh i fell for the bait?
No, just read the dialogue instead of just my post