By the way, am I seeing things or Doffy blocked it with CoA ?
Looking back at the chapter it does seem so since it darker than the rest of his body.
By the way, am I seeing things or Doffy blocked it with CoA ?
Looking back at the chapter it does seem so since it darker than the rest of his body.
Looking back at the chapter it does seem so since it darker than the rest of his body.
Hm yeah it would pretty hard to believe that the Eagle Bazooka tickles otherwise.
Looks more like floating than flying but yes i know but it don't change my point.
I don't really see your point then. you said Fujitora needs time to go across the Island.
I say that he can fly, making it much easier for him to move around than others who have been moving around Pica all this time.
Further, there was hardly any need to search for all the members of the Family.
Fujitora flies straight to Doflamingo, finishes him off and then he has all the time to take care of the stronger Executives while his subordinates deal with the weaker members of the Family.
Truth be told if Fuji went after Don at first the battle and situation would play out very different .
Of course the situation would play out differently! The Mingo Family would have been wrecked much earlier. And Doflamingo would have lost his calm composure too.
Not to mention we would also have found out about the the secret of CDs.
I don't really see your point then. you said Fujitora needs time to go across the Island.
I say that he can fly, making it much easier for him to move around than others who have been moving around Pica all this time.
Further, there was hardly any need to search for all the members of the Family.
Fujitora flies straight to Doflamingo, finishes him off and then he has all the time to take care of the stronger Executives while his subordinates deal with the weaker members of the Family.
I sorry this idea that fuji can just go beat Don fast is a joke and nothing we have seen so far show that to be the case.
Hell don can also fly so he could have even move if he wanted to kill time.
If Fuji rush off to fight don it could have also end up in a 3 way battle cause luffy and law were already there for all we know pica might have not left don side also .
He could have also send someone to get mansherry faster, so many diffrent factors would have played out .
EDIT also Fuji floats not fly and from what we have seen he need something to support him the same way how Don needs the could to fly about .
I sorry this idea that fuji can just go beat Don fast is a joke and nothing we have seen so far show that to be the case.
I won't say he beats Doflamingo instantly. But his position, power, and feats make for a medium difficulty battle with Doflamingo at best.
It is all speculation of course, but he is an Admiral chosen by the most battle-crazed freak of a Fleet Admiral in existence.
Hell don can also fly so he could have even move if he wanted to kill time.
So, you are saying Don will run away from his own BirdCage and leave his family and country behind?
And Fujitora won't be able to catch up to him? Or you know, use gravity to bring him back and down to his feet?
If Fuji rush off to fight don it could have end up in a 3 way battle cause luffy and law were already there for all we know pica might have not left don side also .
Why would it become a three way fight?
Law wants to attack Doflamingo. Luffy want to attack Doflamingo. Fujitora would be trying to attack Doflamingo.
Maybe Luffy will say something about not meddling in his fights, but Law would surely understand the benefit of having an Admiral on his side and convince Luffy.
I won't say he beats Doflamingo instantly. But his position, power, and feats make for a medium difficulty battle with Doflamingo at best.
It is all speculation of course, but he is an Admiral chosen by the most battle-crazed freak of a Fleet Admiral in existence.
I have to ask again what feats since i have seen nothing fuji do so far that don can't get around rather easy .
You are saying it's a medium difficulty battle with out even knowing what fuji can do while i just see don put his internal organs back together.
While taking gear 2 hit like notthing after getting hit with a hax move .
So, you are saying Don will run away from his own BirdCage and leave his family and country behind?
And Fujitora won't be able to catch up to him? Or you know, use gravity to bring him back and down to his feet?
I am not saying he going to run i am saying he can buy time until mansherry get there or other don famliy members to use them as pawns if need be.
We just saw trebol blow up him self who to say he won't do that so don can get a opening .
Mind you during this whole time don has always had people next to him so it would have not been only don he would have to fight .
Why would it become a three way fight?
Law wants to attack Doflamingo. Luffy want to attack Doflamingo. Fujitora would be trying to attack Doflamingo.
Maybe Luffy will say something about not meddling in his fights, but Law would surely understand the benefit of having an Admiral on his side and convince Luffy.
And since when has luffy listen to anyone or let anyone get in a way of his fight ?
Not to mention early on the same Fuji attack law before who to say he going want to team up with someone who could stab in back right afterwards .
EDIT to make it clear i am not saying Fuji can't beat Don .
I am saying it not going to be a easy fight like what some people are saying from the moves i have seen from both characters .
Isn't Prodence a member nation? Doffy's weapons trade has certainly had an effect on them and other nations and is the reason Elizabello and crew started investigating Dressrosa.
I don't think we know if they're a member nation or not. But it's true that Mingo's underworld activities might have had an effect on some of the member nations. What happens from this point on in Dressrosa doesn't really change that though.
I have to ask again what feats since i have seen nothing fuji do so far that don can't get around rather easy .
Your out saying it's a medium difficulty battle with out even knowing what fuji can do while i just seeing don put his internal organs back together .
He casually brought meteors to the ground, played with the second in command of Revolutionaries and has an extremely overpowered DF ability.
He can use gravity to force Doflamingo down or use horizontal gravity to throw him at his own BirdCage to rip him in pieces. Once he started using Horizontal Gravity, even Sabo started losing his shit.
I did say the Medium difficulty is a speculation. It's a rough estimate mostly based on his power and position in the Marines.
We certainly don't know much about Fujitora's power. But that only gives him more options of potential powerful moves.
And why is holding his insides together such a big deal anyways? It doesn't really matter if you are crushed to death.
I am not saying he going to run i am saying he can buy time until mansherry get there or other don famliy members to use them as pawns if need be.
We just saw trebol blow up him self who to say he won't do that so don can get a opening .
So you are saying he can buy time with Fujitora. That's your argument for him being strong? The Family members would be a walk in the park for Fujitora.
If Doflamingo himself brings everyone to a single place, Fujitora won't even have to waste his time searching for them.
And since when has luffy listen to anyone or let anyone get in a way of his fight ?
He did let Law fight untill he was unable to move any longer. He also refrained from attacking Doflamingo until SOP succeeded.
Like it or not, Law has convinced Luffy of going according to plan before, and can do the same again.
Not to mention early on the same Fuji attack law before
Fujitora attacked Law because he didn't know the truth. Now he knows that the real danger is Doflamingo. No reason to attack Law right now. Doflamingo has become the priority.
Yea agree, I think they're around the same level as well. Though I agree that Doffy has to be very handicapped and Luffy doesn't seem to be as much, I think Oda kind of set it up as they were both just as much handicapped with their conversation about being not at their best. To be honest it all takes place on the same day Luffy fought in the colloseum against Hajrudin, Don Chinjao and later against some underlings like Pica on his way to the top. So I think it's not that much of a stretch to say they're equally as handicapped. Luffy just always shows that willpower to edge it out against a stronger opponent.
I think this is the case as well, both have been pretty beaten up at this point ad it will go to the wire I have no doubt.
We shall have to see how good gear 4 is. I hope is not some rubbish body inflate gimmick, Luffy will need more than that to finally put Doffy down.
I am hoping for something like full body haki plus maybe advanced CoC use, if anyone could teach that to Luffy its Rayleigh.
I sorry this idea that fuji can just go beat Don fast is a joke and nothing we have seen so far show that to be the case.
Hell don can also fly so he could have even move if he wanted to kill time.
If Fuji rush off to fight don it could have also end up in a 3 way battle cause luffy and law were already there for all we know pica might have not left don side also .
He could have also send someone to get mansherry faster, so many diffrent factors would have played out .EDIT also Fuji floats not fly and from what we have seen he need something to support him the same way how Don needs the could to fly about .
Actually the idea that Fujitora can just go beat Doflamingo isn't far fetched at all. He's an admiral for Christ's sake. One of the most powerful forces in the series. I have no idea where this idea that the admirals can be taken down with little effort even came from. If he were to show up in the last fight he could easily take out both Luffy and Doflamingo. Both of them are already injured and they are not at the level to take on an admiral.
And since when has luffy listen to anyone or let anyone get in a way of his fight ?
Not to mention early on the same Fuji attack law before who to say he going want to team up with someone who could stab in back right afterwards .EDIT to make it clear i am not saying Fuji can't beat Don .
I am saying it not going to be a easy fight like what some people are saying from the moves i have seen from both characters .
Since when has Luffy agreed to alliances to take down a strong enemy? You must have been one of those people that laughed off the idea when Law asked him at Punk Hazard, you know, since Luffy never did something like this before meaning he can't do it ever again in the future!!
EDIT also Fuji floats not fly and from what we have seen he need something to support him the same way how Don needs the could to fly about .
Well, maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
Still, I don't see much of a problem with Fujitora taking a piece of debris, lowering gravity to make it float, then applying horizontal gravity on it to get from point A to point B fast.
He casually brought meteors to the ground, played with the second in command of Revolutionaries and has an extremely overpowered DF ability.
He can use gravity to force Doflamingo down or use horizontal gravity to throw him at his own BirdCage to rip him in pieces. Once he started using Horizontal Gravity, even Sabo started losing his shit.
He can't use meteors anymore more since bird cage is up and there will get tear apart .
He also can't use horizontal gravity to move don as we saw from the war when WB was moving the island don can just use string to keep where he is.
He had to block a slash from zoro when he was under gravity so there a lot don can also do .
I did say the Medium difficulty is a speculation. It's a rough estimate mostly based on his power and position in the Marines.
We certainly don't know much about Fujitora's power. But that only gives him more options of potential powerful moves.And why is holding his insides together such a big deal anyways? It doesn't really matter if you are crushed to death.
If he could not crush Zoro or Law to death he going to be able to do it to don someone that is stronger than both of them ?
So you are saying he can buy time with Fujitora. That's your argument for him being strong? The Family members would be a walk in the park for Fujitora.
If Doflamingo himself brings everyone to a single place, Fujitora won't even have to waste his time searching for them.
No that is not my argument for him being strong that is my argument about how different factors can be at play if he attack as soon as everything started .
He did let Law fight untill he was unable to move any longer. He also refrained from attacking Doflamingo until SOP succeeded.
Like it or not, Law has convinced Luffy of going according to plan before, and can do the same again.Fujitora attacked Law because he didn't know the truth. Now he knows that the real danger is Doflamingo. No reason to attack Law right now. Doflamingo has become the priority.
Luffy also made law change his mind since his whole plan was to let Kaido deal with him .
So it not like 100% he would listen to him .
Actually the idea that Fujitora can just go beat Doflamingo isn't far fetched at all. He's an admiral for Christ's sake. One of the most powerful forces in the series. I have no idea where this idea that the admirals can be taken down with little effort even came from. If he were to show up in the last fight he could easily take out both Luffy and Doflamingo. Both of them are already injured and they are not at the level to take on an admiral.
And Don is a warlord also one of the most powerful forces in the series( even though the power of the group really diffrent from charcater to characters ) and i never said a admiral can be taken down with little effort .
All i have been saying is taking down don would not be a easy fight and i agree that if fuji came now he could beat both of them .
Since when has Luffy agreed to alliances to take down a strong enemy? You must have been one of those people that laughed off the idea when Law asked him at Punk Hazard, you know, since Luffy never did something like this before meaning he can't do it ever again in the future!!
Not really cause he also listen to jinbei and just like him law help save his life .
Still that don't mean he would listen all the time which is what i should have said .
He had to block a slash from zoro when he was under gravity so there a lot don can also do .
If he could not crush Zoro or Law to death he going to be able to do it to don someone that is stronger than both of them ?
Zoo's physical strength is top notch. I don't think many people could match up to it anymore.
Well, maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
Still, I don't see much of a problem with Fujitora taking a piece of debris, lowering gravity to make it float, then applying horizontal gravity on it to get from point A to point B fast.
Don't have a problem with that , just saying that since we have only seen 3 DF that can fly on there own .
Marco , Pell and Laffitte .
EDIT it 4 since i forget about Momonosuke.
Zoo's physical strength is top notch. I don't think many people could match up to it anymore.
That is true but i don't see him as someone that higher than luffy physical strength wise.
Don't have a problem with that , just saying that since we have only seen 3 DF that can fly on there own .
Marco , Pell and Laffitte .
Plus Buffalo. I would add Shiki to that, since his backstory is canon. Or not. Depends on how you see it. He makes objects fly, so he can fly if objects are attached to him or he's holding them. So 5 in total.
I never really expected that line from Alabasta, how Pell had one of 5 known devil fruits that allow flight, to mean 5 will be a limit. We already have a bunch of semi-flyers like Dofla, Fuji, Robin, Miss Valentine, and Momo's mythical zoan that walks on clouds it creates.
Plus Buffalo. I would add Shiki to that, since his backstory is canon. Or not. Depends on how you see it. He makes objects fly, so he can fly if objects are attached to him or he's holding them. So 5 in total.
I never really expected that line from Alabasta, how Pell had one of 5 known devil fruits that allow flight, to mean 5 will be a limit. We already have a bunch of semi-flyers like Dofla, Fuji, Robin, Miss Valentine, and Momo's mythical zoan that walks on clouds it creates.
That is very true been a lot of years since then .
That is very true been a lot of years since then .
I kinda doubt there's no more than one bird zoan left in the world. Even without the SMILEs. I saw at least one bird zoan in that Kaido's zoans panel.
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The bird seems familiar but I'm not sure what the name is.
So, I expect we should at least get a couple more legit bird zoans in the story. Just because there were 5 known devil fruits that give ability to fly, doesn't mean there aren't plenty more that were still undiscovered. Hell, considering how weird OP world is, maybe new types of devil fruits just grow on their own (or due to some unkown process) from time to time.
EDIT it 4 since i forget about Momonosuke.
IIRC Momo doesn't fly so much as make clouds and then climb on them. Plus not sure he'd count in the "5 known" since his fruit is artificial.
And Don is a warlord also one of the most powerful forces in the series( even though the power of the group really diffrent from charcater to characters ) and i never said a admiral can be taken down with little effort .
All i have been saying is taking down don would not be a easy fight and i agree that if fuji came now he could beat both of them .
I don't know if he is one of the most powerful in "the series", but that's a difference of opinion there are quite a few people we already know of above him, plus people still out there. We still have half the world to explore.. I still stand by my opinion that if Fujitora decided to he would stomp Doflamingo with ease.
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I kinda doubt there's no more than one bird zoan left in the world. Even without the SMILEs. I saw at least one bird zoan in that Kaido's zoans panel.
The bird seems familiar but I'm not sure what the name is.
So, I expect we should at least get a couple more legit bird zoans in the story. Just because there were 5 known devil fruits that give ability to fly, doesn't mean there aren't plenty more that were still undiscovered. Hell, considering how weird OP world is, maybe new types of devil fruits just grow on their own (or due to some unkown process) from time to time.
That's why I can't wait until we meet Vegapunk. We're going to learn a lot about devil fruits and how they really work. It would be interesting if we got to see the island where devil fruits originated from if they in fact come from one place. It's all a mystery to me.
IIRC Momo doesn't fly so much as make clouds and then climb on them. Plus not sure he'd count in the "5 known" since his fruit is artificial.
Yeah he should not count and i also forget about Shiki who is canon who might or might not count.
Still as razh said don't think that number going to really matter anymore.
That's why I can't wait until we meet Vegapunk. We're going to learn a lot about devil fruits and how they really work. It would be interesting if we got to see the island where devil fruits originated from if they in fact come from one place. It's all a mystery to me.
Yep finding out about DFs going to be a very important part of the series to bad it can be years before we meet Vegapunk.
Like how the hell Vegapunk get a sword to eat a DF , should cause a lot of discussion .
That's why I can't wait until we meet Vegapunk. We're going to learn a lot about devil fruits and how they really work. It would be interesting if we got to see the island where devil fruits originated from if they in fact come from one place. It's all a mystery to me.
Yeah, as things are now, it could be anything. Maybe devil fruits are a natural occurence in OP world. But that would mean there's some higher intelligence or just a type of life form behind them. For example, springs, wheels and toys aren't natural occurences, they are man made objects that aren't really a part of natural order. Just don't see spring, wheel or human custom that produces toys devil fruits as natural occurences.
Seeing how SMILEs were made as a copy of legit devil fruits, maybe devil fruits in the first place were a product of ancient kingdom (along with some other crazy stuff in the world). But then how the hell do they regrow when the user of the last devil fruit dies? It's like devil fruit power are in fact some nanobots that move to the nearest corresponding fruit once their host perishes.
What if those nanobots, or whatever carries the ability further, also carry memories from the last user? Consider the implications. It would mean that Sabo actually and not metaphorically inherited Ace's will. What if Roger was the last user of Gomu Gomu no Mi?
See? You can go crazy with predictions, considering we know almost nothing concrete about the whole devil fruit deal. When I started writing this post, I had no idea I'd be bringing in nanobots and memory inheritance.
He can't use meteors anymore more since bird cage is up and there will get tear apart .
Correct. I mentioned it since you asked about his feats. He is good enough with his fruit to easily control Meteors. That's an impressive feat.
He also can't use horizontal gravity to move don as we saw from the war when WB was moving the island don can just use string to keep where he is.
There's a difference between an Island moving and Gravity itself changing directions.
He had to block a slash from zoro when he was under gravity so there a lot don can also do .
I never said Don can't do anything. As I said before, I expect Fujitora to face some difficulties while crushing Doflamingo.
If he could not crush Zoro or Law to death he going to be able to do it to don someone that is stronger than both of them ?
Context. He was not trying to kill any of them. He was not serious in any of the those battles.
And yet, he was able to keep law as a hostage without even touching him! The only reason Law even escaped was because of Fujitora's personality and Law's unique powers.
No that is not my argument for him being strong that is my argument about how different factors can be at play if he attack as soon as everything started .
Agreed. Different factors could have come into play and everything would not have been straightforward.
But all it would achieve is time. No matter what Doflamingo does, a direct conflict with Fujitora is a certain loss.
Luffy also made law change his mind since his whole plan was to let Kaido deal with him .
So it not like 100% he would listen to him .
Law changed his mind because he wanted to defeat Doflamingo personally. Sanji even called him out on this.
Correct. I mentioned it since you asked about his feats. He is good enough with his fruit to easily control Meteors. That's an impressive feat.
There's a difference between an Island moving and Gravity itself changing directions.
I never said Don can't do anything. As I said before, I expect Fujitora to face some difficulties while crushing Doflamingo.
Context. He was not trying to kill any of them. He was not serious in any of the those battles.
And yet, he was able to keep law as a hostage without even touching him! The only reason Law even escaped was because of Fujitora's personality and Law's unique powers.Agreed. Different factors could have come into play and everything would not have been straightforward.
But all it would achieve is time. No matter what Doflamingo does, a direct conflict with Fujitora is a certain loss.Law changed his mind because he wanted to defeat Doflamingo personally. Sanji even called him out on this.
Don't think we going to argee so it's best to agree to disagree on don vs fuji debate.
Still after reading back chapter 757 sabo did not lose his shit when Fuji did that attack IMO.
Don't think we going to argee so it's best to agree to disagree on this .
Seems like the rational thing to do.
… That's not the point. The point is, Kuzan was not trying.
From context, we know that Luffy does not use Elephant Gun casually. From context, we know that freezing somebody is Kuzan's most basic move.
As others have already pointed out, Kuzan kills or beats his opponents by freezing them. Not to mention, Doflamingo didn't even try to dodge. He just sat there.
If Doflamingo tried attacking Aokiji and then got frozen, that's a different story.
@DHL:
As others have already pointed out, Kuzan kills or beats his opponents by freezing them. Not to mention, Doflamingo didn't even try to dodge. He just sat there.
If Doflamingo tried attacking Aokiji and then got frozen, that's a different story.
Pretty sure he gets frozen in a stance that assumes he was in the process of attacking Kuzan. Hehe I'm just realizing how badass that standoff was. I did not expect Kuzan to save Smoker. I should have, but I didn't.
Pretty sure he gets frozen in a stance that assumes he was in the process of attacking Kuzan.
Nope, he was trying to attack Smoker, who he was sitting on, not Kuzan.
Pretty sure he gets frozen in a stance that assumes he was in the process of attacking Kuzan. Hehe I'm just realizing how badass that standoff was. I did not expect Kuzan to save Smoker. I should have, but I didn't.
He was in the process of attacking smoker. He was inches from Smokers head.
Yes, it was a badass standoff.
What's the deal with Kuzan anyway?? Is he a pirate, is he with the revolutionaries??
Is he the last member of Black beard's crew????
Nope, he was trying to attack Smoker, who he was sitting on, not Kuzan.
Oh yeah that's right haha. Makes sense considering his character. Still though, what was he trying to pretend Kuzan wasn't there? lol that was a kind of "fuck it, might work" type action i think.
What's the deal with Kuzan anyway?? Is he a pirate, is he with the revolutionaries??
Is he the last member of Black beard's crew????
Aokiji for 10th division commander.. An Admiral in a Yonkous crew is too much.
He's going lone wolf.
He's probably getting involved in the bad and might affiliate with bad or good parties (revos as a good party)
But he has a goal and that's all that should matter. What is his goal. Doflamingo hadn't heard "good" things about Aokiji as he is in the centre of the underworld.
What's the deal with Kuzan anyway?? Is he a pirate, is he with the revolutionaries??
Is he the last member of Black beard's crew????
I read that like you were narrating a 60s cartoon. Just to let you know. He's a revolutionary, that's my bet.
Oh yeah that's right haha. Makes sense considering his character. Still though, what was he trying to pretend Kuzan wasn't there? lol that was a kind of "fuck it, might work" type action i think.
I got the episode for that on my phone.
It's funny, Doflamingo looks behind him.
Aokiji looks at flamingo
Doflamingo: Turns head back to smoker like he was born without fucks to give.
I wonder if he'll rip the birdcage or defeat dd first.
Yeah, as things are now, it could be anything. Maybe devil fruits are a natural occurence in OP world. But that would mean there's some higher intelligence or just a type of life form behind them. For example, springs, wheels and toys aren't natural occurences, they are man made objects that aren't really a part of natural order. Just don't see spring, wheel or human custom that produces toys devil fruits as natural occurences.
I think that's one of those things that we shouldn't give much thought. Oda just likes to create interesting powers based on stuff he thinks would be useful or convenient to have (he said something like this once about superpowers that could help his daily life like stretching his arm to get a far away pencil). He would be just limiting himself if he could only create powers based on natural things.
And this is not even taking account the DFs that are based on abstract concepts like splitting (Buggy), love (Hancock) or surgeries (Law).
What really matters is what DFs are and their process of regrowth like you said in the next paragraph.
why hasn't dd tried to control luffy yet?
edit: on further inspection, maybe parasite joins with the spinal cord to control all body functions. and luffy being a rubberman, is immune? and only reason why it worked on jozu is b/c he wasn't fullying diamond form.
@DHL:
As others have already pointed out, Kuzan kills or beats his opponents by freezing them. Not to mention, Doflamingo didn't even try to dodge. He just sat there.
If Doflamingo tried attacking Aokiji and then got frozen, that's a different story.
not sure why u think kuzan can only win by freezing his opponents. As we saw with mingo, stronger guys can use haji to break free from the ice. He can also spear them to death, drop a giant ice ball on them etc. Do people really think that was his only way of fighting? How did he last 1 week against magma head if he was just one of those guys that relied on his df?
not sure why u think kuzan can only win by freezing his opponents. As we saw with mingo, stronger guys can use haji to break free from the ice. He can also spear them to death, drop a giant ice ball on them etc. Do people really think that was his only way of fighting? How did he last 1 week against magma head if he was just one of those guys that relied on his df?
I think it had nothing to do with Haki. It had to do with Dofla's hax strings. He probably covered himself in strings to avoid being frozen to dead. But that didn't stop him from actually being frozen so he is still at a huge disadvantage since being able to immobilize your oponent even for a few seconds can be critical in a fight. No wonder Dofla ran away
Kuzan vs Subzero no logia intangibility, who would win a death match?
Uhh….
Wait where the fuck am I?
I think it had nothing to do with Haki. It had to do with Dofla's hax strings. He probably covered himself in strings to avoid being frozen to dead. But that didn't stop him from actually being frozen so he is still at a huge disadvantage since being able to immobilize your oponent even for a few seconds can be critical in a fight. No wonder Dofla ran away
Correction. He walked away
But you know, once Aokiji froze Whitebeard, Aokiji didn't try and freeze whitebeard again knowing that it wouldn't work.
not sure why u think kuzan can only win by freezing his opponents. As we saw with mingo, stronger guys can use haji to break free from the ice. He can also spear them to death, drop a giant ice ball on them etc. Do people really think that was his only way of fighting? How did he last 1 week against magma head if he was just one of those guys that relied on his df?
Yea there are other attacks that he can pull off.
But his "stop dead" attack is the freeze.
God knows what happened in that fight. Haki must have played a massive role for sure.
If it really was a flat out Magma vs Ice then Akainu would have won no question. Unless powers cancelled each other.
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Just saw this at work..
Flamingo line is the consignor for these goods! Set to contain boys ware :wassat:
Doflamingo even supplies clothes. Maybe dragon sent Sabo to Dressrosa because he wanted to put a stop to boys ware as it was used for boy slaves :ninja:
It's origin is in Guatemala. A spanish type country. Coincidence? I think not!
I think it had nothing to do with Haki. It had to do with Dofla's hax strings. He probably covered himself in strings to avoid being frozen to dead. But that didn't stop him from actually being frozen so he is still at a huge disadvantage since being able to immobilize your oponent even for a few seconds can be critical in a fight. No wonder Dofla ran away
I hope you are right on this. I think it would be lame to have haki negate the main use of his df. And seeing how Oda made Mingo's strings has, i wouldn't be surprised
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Kuzan vs Subzero no logia intangibility, who would win a death match?
Uhh….
Wait where the fuck am I?
lol
damn u 16 chars
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@DHL:
Yea there are other attacks that he can pull off.
But his "stop dead" attack is the freeze.
God knows what happened in that fight. Haki must have played a massive role for sure.
If it really was a flat out Magma vs Ice then Akainu would have won no question. Unless powers cancelled each other.
yeah i think magma is the stronger df, but that akoji is stronger than akainu( like haji wise or something).
@DHL:
As others have already pointed out, Kuzan kills or beats his opponents by freezing them. Not to mention, Doflamingo didn't even try to dodge. He just sat there.
If Doflamingo tried attacking Aokiji and then got frozen, that's a different story.
… But one does not negate other.
To take a page from Ned Gutter's book, and give you it as a sylogism...
P1: Freezing opponents is Kuzan's most basic move.
P2: Kuzan beats his opponents by freezing them.
C: Kuzan beats his opponents by using his most basic move.
Incredibly simple. Can't argue with the second premise. Could argue with the first, but I'll leave it up to you, since I don't think there is enough in the manga to disprove it.
Point is: All that exchange proves is that Kuzan can't casually and effortlessly utterly destroy Doflamingo, well done. That does not however means that if another Admiral, say a certain tiger, would try to seriously bring him down he would encounter much trouble.
Think people are forgetting at end of the day gravity is just force .
Characters can just use there DF or haki to avoid or lessen \block the damage .
Think people are forgetting at end of the day gravity is just force .
Characters can just use there DF or haki to avoid or lessen \block the damage .
"Just a force"
You know, I just can't take you seriously when you say things like that. Gravity does not work like that. It's not wind, to be stopped by objects. If you try to block it, you'll end up like Zoro did.
The power of controlling gravity is one of the most broken in fiction period, and the fact that you downplay it so much baffles me. Can you seriously not see the possibilities?
Yeah Yeah Andy is a big joker. Now about the chapter. Do you think Oda had the entrance of the palace blocked on purpose ?
Luffy opened the door with his blowfish pistol. You can see it in the top panel.
But the damages of Doffy's kick blocked it…I think.
Well it's not like it will block Sabo...
"Just a force"
You know, I just can't take you seriously when you say things like that. Gravity does not work like that. It's not wind, to be stopped by objects. If you try to block it, you'll end up like Zoro did.
The power of controlling gravity is one of the most broken in fiction period, and the fact that you downplay it so much baffles me. Can you seriously not see the possibilities?
You are thinking about gravity in real world terms OP is not the real world .
Read chapter 757 where fuji does ferocious tiger vs sabo , he saw it coming turn into fire and move forward to attack him .
What is stopping other characters from using there DF or Haki to do the same ?
This is the same series where admirals block earthquake shock waves with haki .
Yes gravity power is awesome but this is still OP or BB would have taken over the world using black holes already.
Yeah Yeah Andy is a big joker. Now about the chapter. Do you think Oda had the entrance of the palace blocked on purpose ?
Luffy opened the door with his blowfish pistol. You can see it in the top panel.
But the damages of Doffy's kick blocked it…I think.
Well it's not like it will block Sabo...
To stop people other than Fujitora, Law and Sabo from entering?
At this point I wonder more how is going to retcon the fact that Manshelly's or whatever she is called, healing is instantenous.