Meanwhile lets have fun by mocking Vivian.
http://bato.to/read/_/318239/nanatsu-no-taizai_v14_ch113.5_by_based-anon-scans/3
Seven Deadly Sins
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Sexual harassement as proof of love? Everyone choose his way I guess.
Gil is such a gentleman and I love how back then Ban seemed to always be laughing.
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Chapter 124 is out
http://bato.to/read/_/318443/nanatsu-no-taizai_ch124_by_red-hawk-neo
Pretty "meh" if you ask me.
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Liked the chapter,that explain why Hendricksen's plan made no sense.
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Train of thought.
Danafor was destroyed 16 years ago…Elizabeth is 16...She looks like Liz... And I don't wanna think more about it. -
Dreyfus gave in a little too quick, and his resistance suggests he could break out whenever he wants, unless it was simply resistance to the initial takeover? Similarly you'd think Hendrickson, if anyone, would have more resistance to this. This chapter also appears to confirm that both of them were under his influence– Dreyfus directly, Hendrickson indirectly-- which makes me wonder when Hendrickson learned how to use purge if he didn't in this chapter.
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The chapter makes a lot of sense, and, as suspected, covers most of the doubts about Hendricksen and Dreyfus story. (Most likely Hendricksen began his experimentation with demon blood after being possesed or manipulated by Fraudrin).
Now we need an explanation about why Fraudrin told his mates he was awoken 10 years ago or so, since he was wandering around since 16 years ago or so. That could be because:
1. Fraudrin is powerful but stupid and doesn't know how to count properly :ninja: .
2. Fraudrin is lying to his mates and has a secret agenda.
3. Nakaba is stupid and he will have to make some corrections…:ninja:
4. ....Aslo, this resemblance is interesting: Meliodas shadow & Fraudrin shadow or real body.
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The chapter makes a lot of sense, and, as suspected, covers most of the doubts about Hendricksen and Dreyfus story.
Except that there's nothing in this flashback that explains how apparently Dreyfus switched in and out of Fraudrin's control every now and then, or we go by the "it's always Fraudrin acting so people don't suspect anything" which would feel sooooo contrived. . .
. . .which is exactly what happened with Gilthunder's acts of extremely unnecessary assholery at the start of the series which were all apparently an act because "they were watching me".
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Yeah, this seems like contrived bullshit the atuhor made up on the spot. If it was always in mind, it sure wasn't executed well.
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Except that there's nothing in this flashback that explains how apparently Dreyfus switched in and out of Fraudrin's control every now and then, or we go by the "it's always Fraudrin acting so people don't suspect anything" which would feel sooooo contrived. . .
. . .which is exactly what happened with Gilthunder's acts of extremely unnecessary assholery at the start of the series which were all apparently an act because "they were watching me".
Fraudrin finds the sins and specially Mel are a big obstacle to his plans. He can't beat them. So he hides inside Dreyfus and act from the shadows while he gets to release his clan. Why is that contrived?
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Fraudrin finds the sins and specially Mel are a big obstacle to his plans. He can't beat them. So he hides inside Dreyfus and act from the shadows while he gets to release his clan. Why is that contrived?
I don't know how to explain this, but there're many moments during the invasion arc where Dreyfus is Dreyfus. The way he acts, the way he relieves the nightmares caused by Gowther, the way he finds relief when his son is confirmed to be alive. . .you can explain all that by Fraudrin acting? Yes. But it feels incredibly weird. And if it's Fraudrin hiding inside Dreyfus, then it needs some explaining. Like, why isn't it a risk for Fraudrin to stop mind controlling Dreyfus for x period of time, if that is indeed the case? We've just seen that Dreyfus has insane willpower. Just giving him an ounce of freedom should be enough for Drey to force Fraudrin away, or not?
It can get explained, yes, but that's why I said what we have so far doesn't feel like the whole explanation., and if it is, at least I find it incomplete.
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Look at it for the basic facts and the result: he can't beat the sins, he frames the sins, he manages to get all the parts to break the seal and, even when everyone was thinking the bad guys were defeated, he releases his clan. So he simply did what it was neede to be done. Nothing else. That's believable behaviour… and astute. Fraudrin is stronger than Dreyfus and managed him freely at will when he needed it.
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Now we need an explanation about why Fraudrin told his mates he was awoken 10 years ago or so, since he was wandering around since 16 years ago or so.
Danafor gets destroyed 16 years ago and 6 years later Fraudin posses Dreyfus.
Maybe when he said "awoken", he was mentioning the time he became fully active by possessing Dreyfus 10 years ago. -
I think Fraudrin could be manipulating Dreyfus memory in order to him forgot he was possessed in the first place, then every now and then he could give a little free will to Dreyfus.
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Calling it:
Escanor is the Legendary Super Druid. -
Will he be using his Goddess ki then?
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We might also get some info on Melio's rampage and Liz's death.
16chars of CALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLED IT
:D
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Sooo, Dreyfus for the Night's Watch?
This chapter gave some nice retroactive character development but also opened up a lot of plot holes. I guess Fraudrin maintained a reduced control over Hendrickson in addition to bodily possessing Dreyfus? It makes the distrust between the two later in the present more confusing though, and, as people have pointed out, doesn't really explain how Dreyfus could have clearly personal thoughts. Fraudrin hasn't exhibited much of the subtlety needed to manipulate a person's thoughts.
I think the main thematic goal of this chapter was to emphasize the tragedy of Dreyfus's character, but that might also come from a biased flashback on Hendrickson's part.
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The controlling aspect of the story seems pretty off. Either the editors also found Hendri change of side to sudden or the author just never thought to much on what he would put for the background. So many scenes become weird with the Fraudin was controlling both of them. At least with just Dreyfus you can always say he was making Hendri never suspect a thing.
I guess by stuff happened, Faudin meant being some goo at the depth of a pit.
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The controlling aspect of the story seems pretty off. Either the editors also found Hendri change of side to sudden or the author just never thought to much on what he would put for the background. So many scenes become weird with the Fraudin was controlling both of them. At least with just Dreyfus you can always say he was making Hendri never suspect a thing.
I guess by stuff happened, Faudin meant being some goo at the depth of a pit.
On the contrary, I had the positive impression of that mind-controlling aspect from many chapters ago. Well, there are many different and valid ways to read something.
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I'm stuck in the most boring vendor training of my life, so I re-read the last few chapters and…
I'm working under the assumption, for now, that Fraudrin's unique 'power' is manipulation themed-- body, heart, mind. Very in-line with Gowther's, which makes sense as the two have already crossed paths and Galan is heading back to where Fraudrin is, affected by said power. If it's to be explored more, then the interactions with Gowther have set the stage.
Working off of the above assumption, Fraudrin could/would simply have been residing in Dreyfus' body as a casual observer, only occassionally influencing Dreyfus and Hendrickson to keep his plans/work in motion. The slight adjustments to their behavior and goals would allow them to retain their own identities, thoughts, desires, etc while still being under Fraudrin's control. Complete control would then be an option for him in Dreyfus' body, if and when he requires it, all the while keeping Dreyfus in the dark-- meaning Dreyfus has forgotten he came across Fraudrin in the first place, so long as the manipulation power is active.
Does that make sense, or am I overlooking something?
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Does that make sense, or am I overlooking something?
It's what I've understood. I don't know if it makes sense, but it's believable and funny… so... it does!:happy:
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Fraudin must be the "Conquest" or something like that of the Commandaments.
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But I don't think Fraudrin unique power is to control other minds. We'll see in the future scenes about Mel vs Fraudin that luckily we'll have soon.
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Nice chapter.
Fraudin is bad but not better than Galan.
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Next chapter spoiler in globish
! "Take down the Ten Commandments!!"
! Liz's breathing her last breath.
On the eyes of an awakening Meliodas is the image of Elizabeth's crying face along with that.
! The Camelot Royal Court's mage binds Slader's right arm back to his body through a spell.
Merlin's still petrified… and Gowther in a bath towel appears.
Galan was made by Gowther to think he has delivered the coup de grâce to Meliodas and the others, and returned as is.
And, now that the threat's gone, exploiting the opening of an escaping Gowther, Merlin, whose conscience was transferred into her Sacred Treasure, the "Morning Star Aldan", handcuffed Gowther.
! The one thing that needs to be done is to level up the troup.
In order to achieve that, every single Sin needs to get stronger, and Escanor needs to join them.
! Meanwhile,
Diane: "…who are you…?"
King: "Pardon me?"
! End text: The incidents befalling the Seven Deadly Sins one after one!! And now Diane has…!? The gap has opened between the two that have feelings for each other!! King's going to be blunt in conveying his feelings to Diane!! At this moment, another trouble comes disturbing their reunion!!
To be continued in chapter 126 / "The place where the memory heads." -
Poor man's version is out on mangastream.
! And the theory that evil Gowther would mess up with Diane's memory pretty much confirmed.
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Power level power level power level, power level.
Oh, power level?
Yes, power level.
Oh, and Escanor something.
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It's sad how far Gowther has fallen to one of my favorite Sins to the absolute worst. I swear if this memory erasing tripe is just to have awful Diane fawning over Melodias bullshit again…
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Oh and Power Level. It's not really fun to basically read a technical manual on character stats.
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The constant Power Level shit is really bothersome.
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i guess I'm the only one here not bothered by the power levels? As long as you don't take it too literally and more as a rough measurement, it actually helps put the differences in power in place. If they hadn't introduced them, chances are the strength of Galan and the other's wouldn't feel nearly as great. It could've given off the vibe of an overpowered enemy followed by a training arc instead, and I'll gladly take power levels over that.
Anyhow, I think it was a nice chapter. Wonderful to have something calming after the battle, and the theories about Gowther meddling with Diane's memories was true. King just can't catch a break.
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@Zar:
i guess I'm the only one here not bothered by the power levels? As long as you don't take it too literally and more as a rough measurement, it actually helps put the differences in power in place. If they hadn't introduced them, chances are the strength of Galan and the other's wouldn't feel nearly as great. It could've given off the vibe of an overpowered enemy followed by a training arc instead, and I'll gladly take power levels over that.
At first, it was supposed to be ok because it wasn't all that mattered. This chapter basically told us "it all comes down to NUMBERS. All our allies PL's combined = x. All the Commandments PL's combined + their lost magic PL = x + 1000. With training, we sins need to overcome that 1000 PL difference". It was literally that. That's playing the Power Level trope as literal as it's ever been taken, ever.
Also, you say that when put into numbers the devils strength become all that more apparent and obvious. Honestly? Saying "all the good guys combined = 150K. Evil guys combined = 300K. . . .that's. . .not really a way of getting THAT hyped for what's to come? I mean, after all that, they just need to get twice as strong, if even that, considering we'll be adding Arthur's soon to be very high PL, plus the Healer's PL, plus Escanor's expected-to-be ultra PL. . .plus we know a weakened Demon Seal Meliodas can get over 10K, so a trained Demon Seal Meliodas can't get to 20K, at least? Now that we KNOW we should expect power ups a go go?
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PL is more consistant than in OP imo, (hopefully there isnt a moment like fodder soldier able damage a top Tier like what happened in MF with WB).
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Man, I hope Nakaba don't pull something like "Garlan is the Commandaments' Raditz" scenario. Also sad that my theory that Elizabeth is Meliodas and Liz's daughter and Meliodas abuses her so that she doesn't fall for him just gone straight to hell.
Also, lol at Slader.
RH version: http://manga.redhawkscans.com/reader/read/the_seven_deadly_sins/en/0/125/
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At first, it was supposed to be ok because it wasn't all that mattered. This chapter basically told us "it all comes down to NUMBERS. All our allies PL's combined = x. All the Commandments PL's combined + their lost magic PL = x + 1000. With training, we sins need to overcome that 1000 PL difference". It was literally that. That's playing the Power Level trope as literal as it's ever been taken, ever.
Also, you say that when put into numbers the devils strength become all that more apparent and obvious. Honestly? Saying "all the good guys combined = 150K. Evil guys combined = 300K. . . .that's. . .not really a way of getting THAT hyped for what's to come? I mean, after all that, they just need to get twice as strong, if even that, considering we'll be adding Arthur's soon to be very high PL, plus the Healer's PL, plus Escanor's expected-to-be ultra PL. . .plus we know a weakened Demon Seal Meliodas can get over 10K, so a trained Demon Seal Meliodas can't get to 20K, at least? Now that we KNOW we should expect power ups a go go?
Regarding the "it shows how powerful the demons were part", it mostly applied to when Galan showed up for the first time, not this chapter. And personally I didn't feel like it was just a calculation this time, more of an estimation, just made with numbers instead to make it simpler. If it will boil down to stuff like "hey, Diane gained 300 power points! Only need 653 more" and mentioning the numbers every single chapter, then it'll get annoying, but for now I find it a more interesting way to introduce some form of training/power-up arc.
I'm not sure how to explain it, but I find the numbers more of a 'merlin thing' than an integral part of the story. Granted, I don't put much thought into the stories to begin with so maybe that's why it doesn't bother me that much.
I'm also hoping that we'll get a scene where the numbers are rendered useless, just to point out that ultimately, it's the circumstances and skill match ups of the fighters that matter.
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All this reminds me of Shaman King btw.
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@Zar:
Regarding the "it shows how powerful the demons were part", it mostly applied to when Galan showed up for the first time, not this chapter. And personally I didn't feel like it was just a calculation this time, more of an estimation, just made with numbers instead to make it simpler. If it will boil down to stuff like "hey, Diane gained 300 power points! Only need 653 more" and mentioning the numbers every single chapter, then it'll get annoying, but for now I find it a more interesting way to introduce some form of training/power-up arc.
I'm not sure how to explain it, but I find the numbers more of a 'merlin thing' than an integral part of the story. Granted, I don't put much thought into the stories to begin with so maybe that's why it doesn't bother me that much.
I'm also hoping that we'll get a scene where the numbers are rendered useless, just to point out that ultimately, it's the circumstances and skill match ups of the fighters that matter.
Yea …........ not happening .
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@Doffy.:
Yea …........ not happening .
Maybe I'm too hopeful.
But anyway, I'm keeping Gowther's comment in mind when it comes to power levels.
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We all saw when Meliodas' power level rose to above 10 thousands.
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@TLC:
It's sad how far Gowther has fallen to one of my favorite Sins to the absolute worst. I swear if this memory erasing tripe is just to have awful Diane fawning over Melodias bullshit again…
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Oh and Power Level. It's not really fun to basically read a technical manual on character stats.
I feel that it's fair to pass all blame on this onto Diane, King and Nakaba. Gowther is GODDAMN ANGEL!
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@Zar:
i guess I'm the only one here not bothered by the power levels? As long as you don't take it too literally and more as a rough measurement, it actually helps put the differences in power in place. If they hadn't introduced them, chances are the strength of Galan and the other's wouldn't feel nearly as great. It could've given off the vibe of an overpowered enemy followed by a training arc instead, and I'll gladly take power levels over that.
Anyhow, I think it was a nice chapter. Wonderful to have something calming after the battle, and the theories about Gowther meddling with Diane's memories was true. King just can't catch a break.
i guess people are frustrated they can’t discuss power levels indefintely with this system :-) Well that was only 2 pages out of 20. I liked how Nakaba mokes his own scenario with how it sounds easy to just power up. Also a thing to be noticed by this power up thing is that for the moment it won’t be a battle betweens the sins and the commandments but that all Lyoness knights would be involved.
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I don't like Diane getting her memories erased, was looking forward to seeing how her relationship with King might advance. Guess we will see what happens now.
On the other hand, the Sins are finally going to look for Escanor, now that is brilliant! Cannot wait to see him alongside them, really want to learn more about the guy. Also, Merlin, get your body back as soon as possible! :ninja:
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I really dislike the powerlevels thing. As a reader, seeing the power of each and every character displayed so clearly rips me off the possibility to use my imagination. It basically comes down to a race to arms.
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I wondered how the author would deal with Merlin's teleportation powers (that would make things too easy on a typical adventure story) and he decided to turn her into a talking ball.
It would have been better if Galan had sealed her powers instead.
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The power level reading is not inherently a bad thing, but the way it's being used doesn't look very promising.
We are reminded of it almost every chapter since it was introduced, it is too precise to actually be just a "overall aproximation" (one thing is "his power level is over 5000", another is "his power is 5436,47") and is just being used in a way that's really hard to believe everything will not just boil down to PL at some point. Not to mention everything seems kinda superfluous when you think the Seven Sins just keep getting power ups after power ups whenever required regardless of training or whatever.But, well, we had Gowther, so I loved the chapter anyways.
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My feelings about the chapter:
i guess people are frustrated they can’t discuss power levels indefintely with this system :-) Well that was only 2 pages out of 20. I liked how Nakaba mokes his own scenario with how it sounds easy to just power up.
I don't like Diane getting her memories erased, was looking forward to seeing how her relationship with King might advance. Guess we will see what happens now.
The romance plot line is going down. Shame!
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According to FKS (Redhawk member) from MH, there will be a big Gaiden about Diane. This the post:
_First, the source: http://gamebiz.jp/?p=143925
Of course, I ain't gonna TL the entire stuff since it's mostly about the game and the anime.So, a symposium regarding the anime and the game Poketto no Naka no Kishidan was held.
And yes, there's a Q/A but it isn't Nakaba who answers the questions but a certain Fujii who represents him on the matter.
Also, you must've seen two character designs in the link. But hold your horses, 'cause they're part of the game, so they won't be in the manga.However, I'll just give you this bit: さらに5月27日発売の「週刊少年マガジン」は大贈ページで、ディアンヌの外伝が掲載予定。
It says: Furthermore, there will be a big gaiden on Diane slated for publication in WSM on sale on May 27.
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Not liking the amnesia stuff
Merlin is giving me Mary Stue feeling.
I got to learn math through the beauty of power level.
I like Meliodas comment on Merlin's speech for them getting stronger.
I wonder how Escanor will mesh with the group.
I hate the amnesia plot.
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Lol at that convenient as fuck amnesia. I think their romance is dumb anyway, so w/e I guess.
Extremely strong start to this series but now it's tapering down a bit.
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I wonder for what reason it won't just get reverse by Gowther, Merlin or King. I even wonder why Gowther did it in the first place.