Pica got owned like Hody, lol.
Biggest question for me is now: Does Jimbei know of Robins ability to read the Porneglyphes?
Yupp, Everyone knows
Pica got owned like Hody, lol.
Biggest question for me is now: Does Jimbei know of Robins ability to read the Porneglyphes?
Yupp, Everyone knows
Amol why are you talking as if it's just Zoro's fight and opponent got this treatment?
Oda, through Law's comments and flashback of Doffy's crew, implied that they have been sitting on their arses for a very long time. They are not like once they have been, even if they think so.
Zoro's general treatment is annoying, yes, but this chapter was fine. His interactions with King Puncher whatever and that Ship Captain Chief Olumbus was fine. That comments seem annoying but this is an old technique and always was related with Buddism. Nothing new.
Haki level discussions suck. But there are clearly some needed differences for every move your opponent makes. I mean if he is trying to cut you, or bite you, you should be much higher. But what would you like about Luffy's haki? Him being a God in 2 years. Plus we all know it's their journey making them powerful not sitting on their arses in an Island. That's why they were able to go from nothing to world-known pirates in less than 1 year's time. It'll grow as the series progress and that's what it should be.
Yupp, Everyone knows
If you're referring to her bounty, the "official" reason Robin got the bounty was due to being blamed for the sinking of Buster Call ships.
The whole poneglyph thing is under wraps.
@Galaxy:
No… with that summary you actually leave out a lot of the fight.
Yes, it was spread out over numerous chapters (unfortunately), but it doesn't change that things were happening off panel, and when the two of them popped up on a page.
LOL then if it happended off panel i guess you agree that there was almost no fight. if we assume that what happens off panel can be considered a fight that actually happened then we even saw blackbeard taking other fruits, we saw buggy doing his warlord stuff, ecc…
a minor thing can happen off panel and nobody will care, but if you say that one the major fight happened off panel and still happened...well...
Understimating Bobbin uuh, he's gonna bitchslap Zoro for sure, his design says it all!
Who wouldn't want to see that? :)
@Galaxy:
If you're referring to her bounty, the "official" reason Robin got the bounty was due to being blamed for the sinking of Buster Call ships.
The whole ponyglyph thing is under wraps.
And Tom san get to know because…..??
The main event is almost upon us. I predict Doffy will be Luffy toughest 1 on 1 fight to date.
This chapter actually explain on how to defeat a rock logia with his boost advantage on land…zoro haki just to end it...it definitely cool chaps for me...oda trying not to confuse people who read it in a glance...see the artwork n wait proper translation...till then enjoy..
Pica's DF is a Paramecia type
It's still kind of funny that with this big string of fights, all Usopp did was lose a fight this arc and still got made out to be so important, lol
At least his shot vs Sugar reminded her of the particular way in which he lost that fight well enough to knock her out…
That wasn't a fight, though... not really a fight unless the other person knows it's going on, lol
The main event is almost upon us. I predict Doffy will be Luffy toughest 1 on 1 fight to date.
Not if the precedence is anything to go by.
LOL then if it happended off panel i guess you agree that there was almost no fight. if we assume that what happens off panel can be considered a fight that actually happened then we even saw blackbeard taking other fruits, we saw buggy doing his warlord stuff, ecc…
a minor thing can happen off panel and nobody will care, but if you say that one the major fight happened off panel and still happened...well...
Again, only part of the fight happened off panel. All fights have "off panel" moments. They aren't just standing around while Oda is showing us other stuff.
The point remains that we saw plenty of pages between the two of them before Chapter 777. Then, we got 2 chapters exclusively focusing on their fight. What more could you want (in terms of length)?
The main event is almost upon us. I predict Doffy will be Luffy toughest 1 on 1 fight to date.
I just don't have that feeling anymore. Should I say strongly as I had untill like 750. Or the flashback.
The main event is almost upon us. I predict Doffy will be Luffy toughest 1 on 1 fight to date.
Wonder what the fight will consist of considering he needed Laws power to even get a proper punch to connect.
Wonder what the fight will consist of considering he needed Laws power to even get a proper punch to connect.
I'm actually annoyed by having the similar thoughts. I just can't see why Luffy can't outmatch or be on par with anyone with his Gear 2nd. It makes Luffy's main look so clumsy.
@Galaxy:
Again, only part of the fight happened off panel. All fights have "off panel" moments. They aren't just standing around while Oda is showing us other stuff.
The point remains that we saw plenty of pages between the two of them before Chapter 777. Then, we got 2 chapters exclusively focusing on their fight. What more could you want?
an actual enjoyable fight? you really don't see a difference between this style of showing a fight then with the rest of the others zoro had pre time skip? plus, i'd hardly consider 777 a fight chapter, since it was more a preparation for this. yes, all fights have off panel moments, the problem is how much of the fight is off panel. if it's 20% it's ok, if it's 80 % like in this case it is not ok.
just being curious but did you really enjoy their fight? can you give me your summary of what happened from your point of view?
LOL then if it happended off panel i guess you agree that there was almost no fight. if we assume that what happens off panel can be considered a fight that actually happened then we even saw blackbeard taking other fruits, we saw buggy doing his warlord stuff, ecc…
a minor thing can happen off panel and nobody will care, but if you say that one the major fight happened off panel and still happened...well...
But it did happen. You do realize there are many fights going on at the same time? Because you are sounding like they are just waiting for Oda to go to a certain fight and say "ACTION!". In fact Oda has shown a lot of these fights/moments overlap.
an actual enjoyable fight? you really don't see a difference between this style of showing a fight then with the rest of the others zoro had pre time skip? plus, i'd hardly consider 777 a fight chapter, since it was more a preparation for this. yes, all fights have off panel moments, the problem is how much of the fight is off panel. if it's 20% it's ok, if it's 80 % like in this case it is not ok.
just being curious but did you really enjoy their fight? can you give me your summary of what happened from your point of view?
Zoro being this powerful, call whatever you want, than Pica there was hardly any way for an entertaining fighting. It was because plot needed Zoro to spend time, or be seperated from Luffy for that matter, that we got it this stretched out. I don't want to bring this one-shotting discussion to aboard but Pica didn't seem to suffer from any previous injuries. We just have to put up with this, that's it. It's gonna be 85 chapters for an arc. Just go and re-read the build up. If you don't like it this arc is a failure for you. Still there is Doffy for you entertaining fight.
Not if the precedence is anything to go by.
I think we still have a quota to fill with more panels of Fujitora sitting down. Or dodging the falling debris formerly known as Pica
Guess Pica was never a swordman or at least skilled to some extent with a sword. Just a fashion item, same way Doflamingo has a sword in Kyro's flashback.
About Jimbe, what are the chances that the island he is on has the name Zou or Wano Country?
But it did happen. You do realize there are many fights going on at the same time? Because you are sounding like they are just waiting for Oda to go to a certain fight and say "ACTION!". In fact Oda has shown a lot of these fights/moments overlap.
the fact that many fight are happening at the same time means nothing. when this happens ( and it has happened a lot in one piece) it's way better concentrating on a single fight, and make it continuous as a narration. otherwise you just make a confusional story killing the narration. my question: did you enjoy pica vs zoro? why?
So the poneglyphs that were once one of the most important items in the series appear on the joke cover stories?
Not taking your own lore very seriously anymore, eh Oda? XD
@Myu:
Zoro being this powerful, call whatever you want, than Pica there was hardly any way for an entertaining fighting. It was because plot needed Zoro to spend time, or be seperated from Luffy for that matter, that we got it this stretched out. I don't want to bring this one-shotting discussion to aboard but Pica didn't seem to suffer from any previous injuries. We just have to put up with this, that's it. It's gonna be 85 chapters for an arc. Just go and re-read the build up. If you don't like it this arc is a failure for you. Still there is Doffy for you entertaining fight.
well if for plot sakes we ignore the fact that zoro sliced pika as easily as he did with hordy….well....plus there was harldy a build up. yes, generally concerning the narration i think this arc is a failure.
Now's the time for Zoro to finally catch Pica in his pokeball.
Pica pica!
an actual enjoyable fight? you really don't see a difference between this style of showing a fight then with the rest of the others zoro had pre time skip? plus, i'd hardly consider 777 a fight chapter, since it was more a preparation for this. yes, all fights have off panel moments, the problem is how much of the fight is off panel. if it's 20% it's ok, if it's 80 % like in this case it is not ok.
just being curious but did you really enjoy their fight? can you give me your summary of what happened from your point of view?
Fights aren't the reason I read this series, but they can be fun sometimes. It wasn't the "best" fight, but it certainly isn't how you've described it. It's silly to call the fight a "one-shot" when it's gone on long enough, with blows exchanged and "hide and seek" shenanigans.
The fight in summary: Zoro is left to fight Pica in the royal palace, but can't figure out how to hit him, and has to dodge Pica's attacks while figuring out a plan. Pica escapes, and then Zoro encounters him later on the Plateau. Gigantic stone statue Pica is demolished by Zoro, and then Pica starts to move around Dressrosa, trying to attack Zoro, while Zoro still hasn't figured out where his real body is in order to actually beat him. Pica figures out what the state of his crew is, and decides to attack everybody on the Plateau. Zoro then has to think quick about what to do, and finally figures out how to get to Pica's real body and defeat him.
Extremely barebones, with details actually left out, but yeah, summarized.
I think we still have a quota to fill with more panels of Fujitora sitting down. Or dodging the falling debris formerly known as Pica
Ugh. Don't even…
The ruination of Fujitora is the biggest pain of this arc for me. And I've had such high hopes for him too!
I'm tired of setup. I want pay off. I feel as if I am treated like an idiot, to whom you need to say the same things over, and over, and over again. And I don't like it.
Solid chapter. The execution of Zoro's plan was good, as was the general lack of generic arrogant one liners.
That Haki page though is just infuriating. Pretty sure this is the first time Zoro has actually used CoA, but the random full-body Haki feels incredibly pointless and contrived. Seriously, if Pica was a skilled CoA user this whole time he should have been coating his various spikes to attack Zoro or been trying to block some of the unenhanced cuts. I'm not even going to discuss the painful Haki strength exchange.
It feels like literally the only reason Pica used Haki at the end was to put Zoro on par with Law. If we just ignore that whole page then it was a great chapter.
Oh well, it´s the first big battle that didn´t end with Zoro exausted and covered in blood :ninja:!
So the poneglyphs that were once one of the most important items in the series appear on the joke cover stories?
Cover stories are jokes?
Yes, they have several gag panels within them, but do remember that the history of the moon (which is relevant to the overarching Ancient History plot) was revealed in a cover story.
One thing I loveed about this is that Zoro has been thinking about the falling stones and "ordered" to use King Punch against it.
Awesome. The rest was a typical post TS Zoro chapter… I still hope that at Wano Zoro finally gets a struggling fight as pre skip
well if for plot sakes we ignore the fact that zoro sliced pika as easily as he did with hordy….well....plus there was harldy a build up. yes, generally concerning the narration i think this arc is a failure.
Hody was completely different. I always held the belief that Zoro was stronger than Hody, but the only reason Hody survived and became as strong as he did to fight Luffy was because of the Energy Steroid.
Pica is one of Doflamingo's most trusted and strongest crewmates who like the rest of the crew got complacent and overconfident over the last ten years. But then again a lot of people complaining about this arc continue to gloss over this.
Man is oda even the one writing these chapters, these one on one joke one punch k.o fights doesn't seem one piece at all.
Aside from Ussopp no other character has had any character progression at all, in what seems to be the biggest and worst arc ever.
As far the chapter goes, meh, anyone would have seen this coming from a mile away, and the "my haki is stronger than yours" was so goddamn cheesy.
The inevitable discussion about zoro>sanji because pica>vergo will go on for a looong time, and as much as I hate to admit it, that does seem likely.
Kind of hate how screwed the power levels of zoro and sanji seem to be when sanji spent just as much time training and one could say training even harder than anyone else.
This arc needs to go away…
Pica is one of Doflamingo's most trusted and strongest crewmates who like the rest of the crew got complacent and overconfident over the last ten years. But then again a lot of people complaining about this arc continue to gloss over this.
If that was truly the case, the Oda should not have over-hyped both Doflamingo and his crew.
Least you forget that we constantly got statements from other characters saying how dangerous opponent he and his crew are. It's not like it was only overconfident statements from Doflamingo himself.
I don't really care what Killer's bountie it is, Zoro better gets a bountie over 300 millions or nothing!!
@dwo:
Great chapter, great art. I like most that Zoro is still unharmed. Whos next?
Agreed! It was nice to see Zoro actually defeat a 'big' foe without being completely wrecked by the end of it. It seems every time there's a threat, he gets completely stomped on. I mean, he defeats said threat, yes, but he tends to need to rest up a hell of a lot after the fact (even though he doesn't) so it is good to see that he's not going straight to sickbay - especially since the Doc isn't 'in' at the moment.
Hopefully Luffy will come through without any major wounds (the second-most likely to get wrecked whilst wrecking)… since the back-up doc is currently also out of commission.
Yeah, I think I'm fine with Robin being the only one who got seriously hurt so far - I'm not saying I hate her and want her to get hurt, quite the opposite in fact. I really like her a lot!
It's just nice to see that the girls aren't being all protected from harm. Gotta give that to Oda on the sexism debate - he's willing to mete out damage to the girls as well as the guys. Maybe not as much, but they get it pretty badly too.
He's an equal opportunity damage-dealer. XD
If everybody's wishes on story narration need to be satisfied, I believe Sabo would have got the Mera Mera no mi only this week.
I am not sure about others but I am eagerly waiting for a battle against a villain introduced 10+ years back having WG secrets, possibly knowing about the will of D too and other valuable info. I am, in a way, sorta glad the other fights got over soon.
Ugh. Don't even…
The ruination of Fujitora is the biggest pain of this arc for me. And I've had such high hopes for him too!
I'm tired of setup. I want pay off. I feel as if I am treated like an idiot, to whom you need to say the same things over, and over, and over again. And I don't like it.
I mention it in jest.
But I am 100% with you in everything about Fujitora, including the lack of anything from the biggest negative of this arc, and to me barring the dissolution of the Royal Warlords which Fujitora is "fighting" for by making Dressrosa Alabasta 2.0 anything less that comes from this would be a massive failure.
Fights in One Piece are getting worse. I could handle the quick fights without much tension on Fishmen Island because I was looking forward to the New World. But Oda has crammed too many characters in this arc and that has led to Donflamingo's crew being almost as bland as Hody Jones' crew. I expected DD's crew to be sort of similar to Baroque Works but with their own traits, but they haven't come close to that. I think Oda should tone down the amount of characters involved in the next arc and focus on the Straw Hats and their villains, with a fewer allies. The plotline has been okay for Dressrosa, but it could have been better with the potential of Donflamingo's character. The speech about dreams on Jaya hasn't been as emphasised as I thought it would. I'm expecting a really powerful ending to this arc, with a twist or two.
So the poneglyphs that were once one of the most important items in the series appear on the joke cover stories?
What the hell am I reading?
Since when were cover stories considered as jokes?
Jinbei and poneglyphs discussion sounds very interesting than haki, pica, zoro and etc.
Agreed! It was nice to see Zoro actually defeat a 'big' foe without being completely wrecked by the end of it. It seems every time there's a threat, he gets completely stomped on. I mean, he defeats said threat, yes, but he tends to need to rest up a hell of a lot after the fact (even though he doesn't) so it is good to see that he's not going straight to sickbay - especially since the Doc isn't 'in' at the moment.
Hopefully Luffy will come through without any major wounds (the second-most likely to get wrecked whilst wrecking)… since the back-up doc is currently also out of commission.
Agreed. Luffy is being underestimated quite a lot by people for not doing anything major to Doflamingo.
Stomping Doflamingo would really be necessary if he wants to maintain his position as the Captain of a crew which includes Zoro.
@$abZ:
Fights in One Piece are getting worse. I could handle the quick fights without much tension on Fishmen Island because I was looking forward to the New World. But Oda has crammed too many characters in this arc and that has led to Donflamingo's crew being almost as bland as Hody Jones' crew. I expected DD's crew to be sort of similar to Baroque Works but with their own traits, but they haven't come close to that. I think Oda should tone down the amount of characters involved in the next arc and focus on the Straw Hats and their villains, with a fewer allies. The plotline has been okay for Dressrosa, but it could have been better with the potential of Donflamingo's character. The speech about dreams on Jaya hasn't been as emphasised as I thought it would. I'm expecting a really powerful ending to this arc, with a twist or two.
It is not getting worse, it is different in my opinion. If we would read something similar like Baroque Works many would complain "repetition".
If that was truly the case, the Oda should not have over-hyped both Doflamingo and his crew.
Least you forget that we constantly got statements from other characters saying how dangerous opponent he and his crew are. It's not like it was only overconfident statements from Doflamingo himself.
Yes, the hype tool is out of control. Makes you wonder how big the hype of Yonkous will be before luffy beats them
Roger himself will rise from the grave to hype kaidou and big mom.
Enjoyed the choreography and action in this chapter, seeing Zoro's secret technique again was nice.
Hopefully Zoro meets a foe that will make him at least bleed at Wano, seeing both Kanjuro and Kinemon shocked speechless at Zoro's feats doesn't bode well for the caliber of Wano's swordmen.
@Galaxy:
Fights aren't the reason I read this series, but they can be fun sometimes. It wasn't the "best" fight, but it certainly isn't how you've described it. It's silly to call the fight a "one-shot" when it's gone on long enough, with blows exchanged and "hide and seek" shenanigans.
The fight in summary: Zoro is left to fight Pica in the royal palace, but can't figure out how to hit him, and has to dodge Pica's attacks while figuring out a plan. Pica escapes, and then Zoro encounters him later on the Plateau. Gigantic stone statue Pica is demolished by Zoro, and then Pica starts to move around Dressrosa, trying to attack Zoro, while Zoro still hasn't figured out where his real body is in order to actually beat him. Pica figures out what the state of his crew is, and decides to attack everybody on the Plateau. Zoro then has to think quick about what to do, and finally figures out how to get to Pica's real body and defeat him.
Extremely barebones, with details actually left out, but yeah, summarized.
fights might not be the reason to follow one piece, but considering the genre they're definetly a huge part of the manga. and yes, since the two crossed they're swords a random couple of times and then only one hit got delivered i would consider it a one shot fight. the rest was the two randomly running around sometimes not even facing each other directly like in 777. the only proper fight chapter was this one.
@uniaka:
About Jimbe, what are the chances that the island he is on has the name Zou or Wano Country?
The cat sea monster is the one that they saw Near Alabastra, so he's most likely somewhere near there.
By the way Jimbe was a shichibukai, so he might know that Robin can read poneglyphs.
Hody was completely different. I always held the belief that Zoro was stronger than Hody, but the only reason Hody survived and became as strong as he did to fight Luffy was because of the Energy Steroid.
Pica is one of Doflamingo's most trusted and strongest crewmates who like the rest of the crew got complacent and overconfident over the last ten years. But then again a lot of people complaining about this arc continue to gloss over this.
then being over confident for a second reduces a top class fighter to a low level soldier. well ok. thanks pica for being overconfident as one of the strongest member of a warlord crew, you saved us many chapters of entertaining
@Fire Fist:
The cat sea monster is the one that they saw Near Alabastra, so he's most likely somewhere near there.
The last time we saw him before this cover story, he delivered Caribou to G-5 in the New World. There's no way he's on the other side of the world after that short amount of time.
Plus, his journey is presuambly to Whole Cake Island.
It was a fine chapter overall. Zoro did great.
Reading all the comments and thinking about the story overall, now I sort of get Oda's intentions, but I hope he'll learn from this arc's mistakes, because, eventhough many things make sense, there are just too many things to follow. Hats off for making everything clear and not bullshit-like and understandable, that is the reason why I really like One Piece over almost any other fighting shounen mangas. Despite this, so many plot-lines, characters make me actually forget other characters. Like I had to google Trebol today, when someone mentioned him. Jeez… these minor characters, which helped Zorro, I felt the same as Zorro, I didn't know their names. Yeah, I should have reread the whole arc alltogether (I'm rereading OP, currently at Foxy), but, you know, not even at the time of the big war had I forgotten a characters name or anything.
So this arc is a bit of a chaos. It is still good, just too segmented for my taste.