So, I've been reading some previous chapters and I found this gem.
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If only poor Kuzan knew how wrong would his warning turn out. Mobilize multiple Admirals? Even one is evidently too much.
So, I've been reading some previous chapters and I found this gem.
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If only poor Kuzan knew how wrong would his warning turn out. Mobilize multiple Admirals? Even one is evidently too much.
Too much of Zoro. Yack
ban the word "haki" from being used anywhere on the forums
It should be banned from the manga first.
Am I asking you why you find this stuff interesting? Well I'm doing it now.
For actually developing the character of Bellamy? For making him more than just the "scumbag" he was on Jaya, and transforming him into a sympathetic and someone with actual character? Further showing how evil Doflamingo is and giving Luffy even more personal reason to fight him? It just goes on and on.
Why I find all this Luffy vs Bellamy to be boring nonsense? Because it ruins one of the best moment in One Piece, which was Luffy punching Bellamy at Jaya. Now, every time I will read that arc I will have in mind this horrible moment happening on Dressrosa. Bellamy being a nice little puppy, Bellamy loving Dofla to death for no reason, Luffy and Bellamy being buddy buddy for no reason. Luffy not willing to fight Bellamy while he should focus on Doflamingo. The same Luffy who was fighting his best friend [Usopp], the same Luffy who didn't hesitate to fight against Vivi.
Bellamy being taken down as Jaya can still be read as highly satisfying. The Bellamy back then was a scumbag compared to the Bellamy we're dealing with now, so seeing him knocked out due to his arrogance doesn't change at all.
What you do gain though, is insight that a character will improve and get proper development. The character won't always be a scumbag. But in that moment? He's still the Bellamy you apparently hate.
I'm not sure where you're seeing no reason for Bellamy's admiration of Doflamingo. His loyalty to Doflamingo was set up as early as just before the Davy Back Fight, when we found out about his connection with Doflamingo. Doflamingo is the person he (stupidly) strives to impress, because of his great status as a pirate. We saw this back then as well.
While Luffy and Bellamy's relationship is a bit underdeveloped… it's really just more-so a sign of mutual respect. Bellamy has changed, and Luffy obviously realized that at the Colosseum and during B Block. Luffy knows about Bellamy's admiration for Doflamingo, so of course he's not going to be happy seeing the guy get abused by his idol.
And Bellamy's circumstances really are different from both of those. Luffy is going to try his hardest to either snap Bellamy out of whatever's he doing, or try to think of a way to take him out in the least harmful way possible (keep in mind it has been mere minutes).
And yes, it has been going for months, no matter the amount of focus we've got on that over-dramatic plot, it has been way too long. But it's not as nearly as bad as Zoro fighting Pica for 40+ chapters.
It has been going on for months in real world time… but it's the actual page count that matters and series time that matters. Come back to this when we get an entire chapter dedicated to it (Luffy vs. Bellamy exclusively).
The maniacal overlord controlling the soldier who until recently served him blindly, making him fight the man who has become his friend.
How is this bad?
Bellamy keeping to his own code and not accepting Luffy's refusal to fight him.
How is this boring nonsense?
Just because it's not something YOU want to see that much does not make it boring.
Kirk asserting his opinion as fact? Nothing new here.
It should be banned from the manga first.
This, I can agree with, to an extent. Conqueror's and Observation are fine, since they at least had proper setup, but Armament pretty much came out of nowhere, unfortunately.
It was a needed addition though (can't have Logias be immune forever, and not all of them have natural weaknesses), but could've been setup so much better.
@Galaxy:
This, I can agree with, to an extent. Conqueror's and Observation are fine, since they at least had proper setup, but Armament pretty much came out of nowhere, unfortunately.
It was a needed addition though (can't have Logias be immune forever, and not all of them have natural weaknesses), but could've been setup so much better.
I would have been a lot happier without Hardening. And it would make things a lot simpler.
Wow mangastream.com is so bad. Seriously who is translating a 12 year old wanna be gangster
I would have been a lot happier without Hardening. And it would make things a lot simpler.
And my dream of Marines winning in the end would finaly be complete, considering they have the biggest gathering of Logia fruits of any faction and exclusive acces to Seastone weapons.
I am convinced many of here actually don't understand the concept of haki.
Luffy's haki 0, Marigold's haki > 0
http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/106/53-519.0/compressed/q008.jpg
(Luffy + devilfruit awesomeness)'s haki 0, Marigold's haki > 0
http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/106/53-520.0/compressed/d008.jpg
Kirk asserting his opinion as fact? Nothing new here.
Anyone is directly expressing his opinion when posting, sorry you can't understand that simple fact.
As far as major plot elements go Armament Haki is overall haphazardly integrated and poorly defined. It comes across more like a crutch for the writer than anything else, and I'd be glad to see it go, if nothing else because Haki discussions are among the worst this forum can offer.
eh, it's alright I guess
Diamante falling on the grave was kinda dumb and forced though
"Does this man really has a plan" was priceless
not as priceless as the plan he came up with when he was cuffed with usopp in enies lobby.
given the last two cover stories were 40+, I would hope Jimbei gets more cover story, though story wise it feels kinda complete at the moment. I agree it hasn't been too exciting or very revealing from a Jimbei character standpoint.
Is that expression exasperation though? Jimbei looks rather sad to me instead. Hopefully next week we don't see that his face is actually because he sees something else awry in the distance, cause honestly his expression here is the most interesting so far I think. You'd think he'd be happier of a job well done. Maybe he's lamenting about something.
Idunno, to me it looks like the tired look of a teacher who just sorted out the antics of some grade schoolers. All thats missing is the "sigh exchale cloud" effect thing. "Sigh, these dang kids! So troublesome."
I think the biggest problem of the Jinbe cover story is that it was essentially just a mystery, where almost all jinbe did was go places and look at clues-a role pretty much any character could have filled. There was even two cover-pages of schematics, dedicated to explaining events point by point, something I can't recall ever seeing in the series before. I can understand Oda trying to differentiate this from hachis Undersea Fetch Quest, but what we end up with is a distinct lack of Jinbe doing anything. I'd have been quite happy with 20 pages of jinbe taming rampaging seabeasts, saving citizens, genreally being the OP-verses Aquaman.
Plan E and A looks quite similar, just saying.
Good chapter, nice cliff, Robin got hurt, a stick defeated Diamante, Usopp appeared and Zoro won't even sweat after this battles which shows that has more power to show.
Pica-chu is back at it again killing god knows how many citizens with each step.
And Zoro better fly like a saiyan next chapter.
Which Lil B song is that quote from?
before reading through all the pages, what came to my mind about the flying part:
how about zoro letting elizabello deliver a king punch to send him flying over there. wasnt he telling him to prepare?
before reading through all the pages, what came to my mind about the flying part:
how about zoro letting elizabello deliver a king punch to send him flying over there. wasnt he telling him to prepare?
You're not the only one.
I think he'll use both Elizabelo and Sai, though.
So, I've been reading some previous chapters and I found this gem.
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If only poor Kuzan knew how wrong would his warning turn out. Mobilize multiple Admirals? Even one is evidently too much.
You are getting easier to counter by the day
Aokiji didnt considered all out war between fighters that came to Dressrosa, forgotten by everybody Kyros and Half of Strawhats against Doflamingo family.
He measured well - one admiral would have been not enough to take care of whole Doflamingo crew with their set of abilities and Dwarf princess power on Doflamingos home turf.
Next week, Zolonea wreckes, proves himself he is = Luffy and Sanji will always be a scrub 4 life.
Pika confirmed he is the strongest executive when Robin was shitting in fear.
before reading through all the pages, what came to my mind about the flying part:
how about zoro letting elizabello deliver a king punch to send him flying over there. wasnt he telling him to prepare?
many already thought about that..but shouldn't the king punch damage zoro ?also it's not like it sent people flying that much at the colosseum…seems to me it would make more harm than good...maybe using one of barto's barrier as a platform?i wonder if that's possible
This GIF made me lol.
http://i.imgur.com/AyZteEI.gif
This GIF made me lol.
Zoro killed Buffalo offscreen and obtained his DF?
You are getting easier to counter by the day
Aokiji didnt considered all out war between fighters that came to Dressrosa, forgotten by everybody Kyros and Half of Strawhats against Doflamingo family.
He measured well - one admiral would have been not enough to take care of whole Doflamingo crew with their set of abilities and Dwarf princess power on Doflamingos home turf.
Thats really really hard call to make considering how careful Fujitora has been about not trying to resolve the situation, in any way.
Zoro killed Buffalo offscreen and obtained his DF?
Or thats how Zoro will attempt to fly and finish off Pika.
@Daz:
Thats really really hard call to make considering how careful Fujitora has been about not trying to resolve the situation in any way.
but doflamingo seemed really confident about being able to deal with fujitora after finishing the others…
probably not head on..but since doflamingo already has tons of kairoseki at his disposal,and fujitora is blind....
why isn't anyone making Attack On Pica jokes
So next chapter we can assume Zoro is going to do some next-level skywalk kinda manouver?
Is there a chapter next week?
but doflamingo seemed really confident about being able to deal with fujitora after finishing the others…
He also seemed really confident about every other aspects of his plans, and see where that got him?
Doflamingo has this arrogance that is so common among psychopaths, convinced that he can't be beaten. It's nothing to consider definitive.
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You are getting easier to counter by the day
Aokiji didnt considered all out war between fighters that came to Dressrosa, forgotten by everybody Kyros and Half of Strawhats against Doflamingo family.
He measured well - one admiral would have been not enough to take care of whole Doflamingo crew with their set of abilities and Dwarf princess power on Doflamingos home turf.
Ninja'd by Daz, so just look at his post.
So next chapter we can assume Zoro is going to do some next-level skywalk kinda manouver?
Is there a chapter next week?
I doubt he will use something like Skywalk. I bet he will either use King Punch to propeller himself up at high speed or some backward Tatsumaki.
He won't be as agile as Sanji/CP9 with Skywalk/Geppou
@Daz:
Thats really really hard call to make considering how careful Fujitora has been about not trying to resolve the situation in any way.
If Doflamingo is somewhere around Marco or Jozu(I think he is at least as strong as likes of Marco) then even an admiral would have his hands full with him.
There is also Trebol with his sticky powers, Pica with his stone control, Diamante with his lameness and plenty of others.
Combined coordinated effort of Seats alone with Doflamingo would be in my opinion more than enough for one Admiral.
I doubt he will use something like Skywalk. I bet he will either use King Punch to propeller himself up at high speed or some backward Tatsumaki.
Sounds about right. It would be cool if Zoro was given a hand to get across, he's been a lone wolf for the most part.
If Doflamingo is somewhere around Marco or Jozu(I think he is at least as strong as likes of Marco) then even an admiral would have his hands full with him.
Really? Cause it never seemed like Admirals had any problems with either of those. And Marco, at least, I consider a lot stronger then Flamingo.
There is also Trebol with his sticky powers, Pica with his stone control, Diamante with his lameness and plenty of others.
Combined coordinated effort of Seats alone with Doflamingo would be in my opinion more than enough for one Admiral.
Considering how casually Fujitora fought thus far, I'm not as convinced as you are.
If we consider how versatile gravity powers actually are, I don't see how they could fight him off.
Does anyone else think that Rebecca will given one more chance to fight? Robin and Kyros are badly injured, but Rebecca has been left unscathed.
many already thought about that..but shouldn't the king punch damage zoro ?also it's not like it sent people flying that much at the colosseum…seems to me it would make more harm than good...maybe using one of barto's barrier as a platform?i wonder if that's possible
if the whole impact of the punch is focused on zoros feet for example with direct contact, it could work.
about the damage: maybe thats the point. maybe oda wants to take him out of the picture too
zoro gets blown over there, defeats pica with one attack and is out of the game because of the damage he took.
Does anyone else think that Rebecca will given one more chance to fight? Robin and Kyros are badly injured, but Rebecca has been left unscathed.
Nope. Rebecca won't do anything for the reminder of the arc. We've been optimistic about stuff before, and how that turn out?
If Doflamingo is somewhere around Marco or Jozu(I think he is at least as strong as likes of Marco) then even an admiral would have his hands full with him.
There is also Trebol with his sticky powers, Pica with his stone control, Diamante with his lameness and plenty of others.
Combined coordinated effort of Seats alone with Doflamingo would be in my opinion more than enough for one Admiral.
I don't think he's at the level of Marco, his DF can tank admiral attacks easy.
Even if he's on the level of Jozu, I don't think he can cut diamond.
Pica controls rock but that's about it. I don't think just rocks can give much trouble to Admiral.
It's clear that admirals are among some of the strongest in the world, if luffy defeatd DD now, he can't be too close to them even with his crew.
Sugar is the only factor that can play a role. Turn admiral into toy… then he could be easy.
If Doflamingo is somewhere around Marco or Jozu(I think he is at least as strong as likes of Marco) then even an admiral would have his hands full with him.
There is also Trebol with his sticky powers, Pica with his stone control, Diamante with his lameness and plenty of others.
Combined coordinated effort of Seats alone with Doflamingo would be in my opinion more than enough for one Admiral.
I'm not really interested in a power level discussion on how hard it would be for Fujitora to squash the three Seats; to me, the much bigger issue is how much of a power imbalance Fujitora represents. If he chose to openly attack Doflamingo, then thats a ridiculously large boost to the heroes side. Fujitoras mere presence on the island generates a looming sensation that he should go around resolving things, so Oda has been forced to keep him inexplicably inactive so exactly that doesn't happen.
If the marines had followed Aokijis advice and sent all the admirals, then any threat posed by Doflamingo post-birdcage would've been impossible to take seriously…and some would argue its pretty hard already
@uniaka:
I don't think he's at the level of Marco, his DF can tank admiral attacks easy.
Even if he's on the level of Jozu, I don't think he can cut diamond.
Pica controls rock but that's about it. I don't think just rocks can give much trouble to Admiral.
It's clear that admirals are among some of the strongest in the world, if luffy defeatd DD now, he can't be too close to them even with his crew.
Sugar is the only factor that can play a role. Turn admiral into toy… then he could be easy.
Just combine Diamante power used on ground, Doflamingo attacking + Trebol + Pica shapeshifting constantly ground.
Not even admiral would keep up.
Single individual even very strong has low chances of winning against combined attacks.
Pink, Machvise and Dellinger almost managed to land a blow on Luffy by suprising him.
Imagine same combo with 3 seats + Doflamingo. Fujitora even with his power would fall.
Aokiji had overall idea on Mingos crew so I do think he managed well that one admiral would not be enough.
And as tanky as Marco is he lacks firepower. We didnt seen him made Admiral bleeding like Jozu and we only gotten one comment from Akainu that Marco and his haki(along with Vista) is annoying.
why isn't anyone making Attack On Pica jokes
If Zoro suddenly finds wire-guns to fly next chapter it will be your fault.
@Daz:
I'm not really interested in a power level discussion on how hard it would be for Fujitora to squash the three Seats; to me, the much bigger issue is how much of a power imbalance Fujitora represents. If he chose to openly attack Doflamingo, then thats a ridiculously large boost to the heroes side. Fujitoras mere presence on the island generates a looming sensation that he should go around resolving things, so Oda has been forced to keep him inexplicably inactive so exactly that doesn't happen.
If the marines had followed Aokijis advice and sent all the admirals, then any threat posed by Doflamingo post-birdcage would've been impossible to take seriously…and some would argue its pretty hard already
I dont understand now - point of sending more than one admiral somewhere is to make sure that no threat is anything else than breeze. One admiral in most cases is enough for it.
Making Fujitora stronger than all Seats + Doflamingo is unresonable to say the least.
Making Fujitora stronger than all Seats + Doflamingo is unresonable to say the least.
Because?
We have seen total of three characters to give Admirals something more than mild annoyance: Whitebeard, Shanks and Rayleigh.
Out of those, only Whitebeard managed to defeat an Admiral. It costed him half of his face, and he still haven't managed to knock him out, or even make him incapable of further fighting.
Akainu took on the entire Whitebeard crew + Crocodile after that defeat, and it didn't look like he was losing either.
Just because Fujitora is forced to play it casualy by Oda it doesn't mean he loses to the original three. There is no story reason for it to be unreasonable.
Good old E; from plans to classes (as Assassination Classroom has shown us), it's always the best.
Seriously though, it was a good thing Zoro listed off all those scenarios and why they'd fail; Oda sure knows how whiny and detail oriented his fans can be somet–-Aww, who am I kidding: ALL of the time.
On the plus side, we get a guarantee of something epic next week…............BONUS!!!
Decent chapter. Had some cons as well as pros though
Pros
Cons
Side Note:
Ok, this isn't relevant to the chapter, but more to do with the anime episode that has just been on. It was refreshing to see Koala fighting (especially using Fishman Karate), but its a shame that an anime filler shows such badass female fighting when the manga lacks it. I would have loved to have seen that in the manga.
I dont understand now - point of sending more than one admiral somewhere is to make sure that no threat is anything else than breeze. One admiral in most cases is enough for it.
Uh huh. And the point Darth raised in the first place was how the notion of sending more admirals to Dressrosa, as Aokiji suggested, seems silly considering how much the story and tension is strained by even one.
Aokiji presents it as potentially the greatest threat to the new marines, a dire situation that all admirals should mobilize for- but now we see that more than Fujitora would have been insane overkill. Yes, Aokiji did not know this, but thats not the point in this case.
Regardless of its king, Dressrosa has been part of the WG for 900 years.
And now the entire kingdom is about to cheer for the strawhats and hate the marines.
This is quite serious. Though I doubt that Aokiji predicted this far ahead.
Couldn't even make it through all 12 pages. AP, you disappoint me. Can't we have just one chapter where the thread isn't overwhelmed with bitching, because this is getting pretty tiresome.
'Setup chapter'?
People here don't understand the term. Also, "one-shot" is confusing for most.
@Daz:
Yeah, Luffy makes friends easily, but readers need time to accept the new status-quo for Bellamy too. When Bellamy is MIA for extreme amounts of time and only seems to repeat his "abused by Doffy" routine when he does show up, its hard to create real investment in his and Luffys "tragic friendship".
It was like that at Fishman Island too; Luffy declares that Fukaboshi is his buddy and that Luffy will help him, and Fukaboshi cries happy tears, but the two interacted so very little prior to this that it seems hollow.
Fishman Island was less real friendship and more symbolic. It was important to Brohoshi because it was the bridge for relations between men and fishmen more than anything between he and Luffy.
As for Luffy and Bellamy… If people remember I was probably the biggest decrier of both Bellamy and the tournament. I hated that Oda brought him back and wanted him to become a...sympathetic character. But much like Luffy, I eventually came around because you could tell something about him was different. For Luffy, it was when Bellamy told him that he would not laug at him anymore. For me, it was the "Bellamy, the Pirate" chapter. They're firends in the loosest sense of the word. But that's all Luffy needs.
Even if they weren't friends. Seeing how Doffy treated a devoted member of his crew would be enough to piss Luffy off.
So this chapter is just setting up a oneshot (another freaking one) that will happen next chapter? I love Zoro but hot diggity damn Dofla's crew is a joke
For crying out loud, when he loses next chapter it won't be a "oneshot." Him and Zoro have been fighting for a while now. They've exchanged blows. Zoro has already cut him and made him cough up blood. Yes, he'll lose in some big flashy move (as is the Shonen Way) but he will not have been "oneshotted."
@Daz:
Uh huh. And the point Darth raised in the first place was how the notion of sending more admirals to Dressrosa, as Aokiji suggested, seems silly considering how much the story and tension is strained by even one.
Aokiji presents it as potentially the greatest threat to the new marines, a dire situation that all admirals should mobilize for- but now we see that more than Fujitora would have been insane overkill. Yes, Aokiji did not know this, but thats not the point in this case.
That was my original point. It's clear that Oda struggles to make Doflamingo crew appear even midly competent after what he put them through with their arrogance and odds being overwhelmingly in favor of Straw Hats.
Fujitora is just the icing on the cake; the incredibly powerful figure that is forced to do nothing because any intervention on his part instantly break the tension. This chapter would be a prime example of that: He just randomly, after tens of chapters of doing bloody nothing, gets up, and decides now is the time to help the citizens. And it of course coincides with Pica attacking.
It's so obvious Oda doesn't know what to do with him it's painful.
Some people have got it in their heads, that Jinbei cover story is near it's conclusion. Now someone correct me here. But didn't he first start the cover story looking for his friends? If that's the case. I will argue that his cover story hasn't really began yet.