I always loved Zoro but after this chapter… when he is realy growing parts like Tenshinhan from DB... he sucks.
He seems really stupid to me with this 3 arms and heads... I hope it was just speed and not some magical aura demon transform shit!!!
I always loved Zoro but after this chapter… when he is realy growing parts like Tenshinhan from DB... he sucks.
He seems really stupid to me with this 3 arms and heads... I hope it was just speed and not some magical aura demon transform shit!!!
Brilliant chapter. Fight choreography was just top notch. Sanji vs Jabs and Zoro vs Kaku have been just a pleasure to read. Now onto the main course ^^
Sanji defeated Jyabura with two kicks from his flaming feet, and Kaku pretty much fell over dead the second Asura was revealed. So I'm expecting Lucchi to get taken to the wall pretty hard when the full extent of the gears are revealed, but hes got to have an ace up his sleeve that turns things back in his favor.
Indeed. But while i think Sanji and Zoro simply outclassed their respective opponents in ever possible way, Luffy and Lucci might be a lot closer. Who knows. Maybe like Sanji and Zoro, Luffy may reveal something even more than gears in his fight. Whatever be the case, it isn't going to be as easy for him as it has been for the rest of the crew (save for maybe Chopper).
EDIT - Thank you very much for the chapter and trans :bow
holy Sweet Baby Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
holy Sweet Baby Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I think that about sums it up.
Probably my favourite fight in this arc so far.
Ah. So now all the 3 main fighter strawhats have adopted a new stance with which they are able to launch old attacks, only much more powerful.
Ah. So now all the 3 main fighter strawhats have adopted a new stance with which they are able to launch old attacks, only much more powerful.
Which is pretty damn sweet if you ask me.
Which is pretty damn sweet if you ask me.
Agree. While arguably disrupting Zoro's Santoryuu image, Asura is cool.
Zoro's new finishing move was… AWESOME. When all these Enies Lobby fights finally get animated they are going to look so freakin cool.
Guessing viz translation on kaku's reaction: "Like looking into the eyes of a demon!"
I really doubt that Asura is a stance that he will turn on for all of his attacks. Instead, I think it's probably just a (singular) move he does that might get adapted to others sometime later maybe. The best comparison I can make is with Shi Shi Son Son - he could cut metal, yeah, but only with one move. If he had turned it on and did a combo I may think otherwise, but for now I don't expect this to be much more than an attack.
I really doubt that Asura is a stance that he will turn on for all of his attacks. Instead, I think it's probably just a (singular) move he does that might get adapted to others sometime later maybe. The best comparison I can make is with Shi Shi Son Son - he could cut metal, yeah, but only with one move. If he had turned it on and did a combo I may think otherwise, but for now I don't expect this to be much more than an attack.
Whats so great about this Asura stuff???
Ok This is One Piece and we know the things are unrealistic... but I think this is far beyond good. a human (ok he is super human) can transform into something like that??? A lot said Sanji´s was unrealistic and flamed ist but this one is over the top. I think for such things we have DF
@SanG:
Whats so great about this Asura stuff???
- It looks stupid
- This demon like spirit transform shit doesn´t fit Zoro??? Now every swordfighter will have such a spirit or whatever and Mihawk can duplicate him to thousands of himself… :getlost:
Ok This is One Piece and we know the things are unrealistic... but I think this is far beyond good a human (ok he is super human) can transform into something like that. A lot said Sanji´s was unrealistic and flamed ist but this one is over the top. I think for such thinks we have DF
cry me a river,build me a bridge and get the f over it =P
anyway great chapter and a very good fight ;)
cry me a river,build me a bridge and get the f over it =P
anyway great chapter and a very good fight ;)
How funny…
Everybody said it is awesom but no one said why???
I too must admit that I feel this is uncharacteristic of Zoro; his moves are always more fundamentally simple and don't rely on altering himself…
Well I tried doing a bit of research on the whole asura thing. Do you all remember in chapter 401 when Kaku says: " Your flow of ki…it feels like that of a demon..it gives me the chills". It seems like Oda gave us some foreshadowing and we didn't even know it :P. It seems like Oda got asura from Buddhism, not Hinduism.Here is a picture http://rumic.up.seesaa.net/image/asura.jpg.
I couldn't get much from wikipedia because I mostly couldn't understand what it was talking about…I think that it seems Asura were said to be one of the four worst rebirths after animal, a preta or being in naraka. The state of an Asura reflects the mental state of a human being obsessed with force and violence, always looking for an excuse to get into a fight, angry with everyone and unable to maintain calm problems peacefully. Thats about all I could get, hope I was a tiny bit of help :D
That asura move really make me laugh hard !!!
Not because it's ridiculous or something cause i think it's a really cool move , but it reminds me of an episode of kimengumi higschool where ray say something while performing an asura dance with the 3 head and the 6 arms .
He say something like :
-" In this time , the cool guys are not the smart ones but the crazy ones !"
And when i see zoro moving it's exactly the same thing as rai dancing his crazy asura style !!
@SanG:
How funny…
Everybody said it is awesom but no one said why???
It looks cool, the art of it is great and it kicked Kaku's ass.
And I've already built my own explainations as to why Zoro can do this attack. I still believe that speed is a factor. It's not like Zoro will constantly use 9 sword techs now.
NEWS FLASH: WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED WITH ASURA. Frankly, I think it's just an illusion, like when that flickery woman thing appeared with Beautiful Demon Onigiri, just a lot more powerful.
Also what's with everyone saying "yup, time for luffy/lucci fight now?" Hello! One straw hat has not yet gotten his fight! Plus he has a super cool brand new weapon, which you KNOW Oda isn't going to waste.
When it is just a speed think it is ok but when it is a transformation it sucks. An ilussion would duck as well cause you will see ow weak Kaku is to be confused by something like that
@SanG:
How funny…
Everybody said it is awesom but no one said why???
because it looked evil and thats all,i dont take one piece so seriously like you i quess if Oda thinks zoro can do it then zoro can and will do it
i think it was a illusion triggered by speed or something like that
Wow, looks like Zoro pulled a Tenshinhan on us.
Totally awesome finish, but still not my favourite fight this arc. That has to be Sanji vs Jyabura, then Franky vs Fukurou, then Luffy vs Blueno. So this is my 4th favourite.
Awesome fight, though.
@SanG:
Whats so great about this Asura stuff???
- It looks stupid
That's your opinion.
@SanG:
- This demon like spirit transform shit doesn´t fit Zoro??? Now every swordfighter will have such a spirit or whatever and Mihawk can duplicate him to thousands of himself… :getlost:
Now really, I thought you'd give more credit to Oda than that. Stop jumping into conclusions.
@SanG:
Ok This is One Piece and we know the things are unrealistic… but I think this is far beyond good. a human (ok he is super human) can transform into something like that??? A lot said Sanji´s was unrealistic and flamed ist but this one is over the top. I think for such things we have DF
Actually, you said it yourself. It's a freaking comic book.
If it is an ''illusion'' though why would it still be in progress after his counter strike? kaku also said something about turning his ryankyaku into mist or some crap like it…it just seems to me like it's out of character and unrealistic for zoro (I know people are gonna say shut up an all the rest and stop complaining) thats the sort of thing like someone said we have devil fruits for. And to the person that said ''at least he kicked kaku's ass'' no offense but oda could have drawn zoro farting and kaku falling over from gas inhilation...and win.
Here's my attempt to explain Zoro's Asura techniqu:
Ok back when he was fighting those Marines and his demonic aura appeared behind him Zoro didn't know how to control it properly so it just would appear behind him. But sometime between then and the Kaku fight he learned to control and concentrate his own aura into a physical form and so he decided to make the illusion that there was 3 of himself.
Kind of cliche, but it gets the job done.
So zoro can attack with or use his ''aura'' in a fight?…is this the same one piece I read?.
So zoro can attack with or use his ''aura'' in a fight?…is this the same one piece I read?.
He used his aura to bend his swords quite a while ago so its the same One Piece.
I think Oda is just looking for a new area to concentrate Zoro's techniques on.
Before it was overcoming human limits (cutting steel, slicing air, etc.)
Now it is mastering the aura of a master swordsman.
Holy jesus that move was awesome!
Heh, you go Zoro! Gotta say Oda did not dissapoint in this fight. Crazy techiniqes and moves all over the place. Am surprised Oda's arm didn't fall off drawing all of Kaku's moves with all the crazy twist and turns that would Luffy jealous. But hey thats why we love him and OP eh?
So Zoro avenged his loss from the Water 7 fight and all the main CP9 are kissing concrete. All thats left is…
*What Ussop/SogeKing has planned.
*Luffy's fight against Lucci.
*Nico Robin's Rescue.
*And the escape from the Buster Call.
Gotta say all the fights have been fun but now where it really starts to get unpredicatable.
Wow, the retarded bitching/worthless speculation in this chapter discussion started much earlier than anticipated.
As for Califa, I really liked her DF, but I do agree the fanservice, though very enjoyable, was rather gratuitous. I liked her devil fruit and ways she found to use it, but that fight was way too boring for me to really enjoy it.
Am I the only one to think that these auras/diablo/gear were developed before reaching water7? Probably in the sailing time between Aokiji's defeat and W7 they sparred a lot.
By the familiarity they all showed to techniques I fail to believe they were developed on the spot, no mather how much of a battle geniuses those three are.
And with the techniques itselves? They are all great. And mostly unexplainable so far. Gear 2 I take as a vulcanization of sorts. I think Diablo is in some way Zeff's legacy (Creek was a stupid man, Zeff's nickname could've been obtained the by his leg being red with power, then blood). This whole Asura/Aura thing yet to be explained, for me is the same that Goku did while fighting TenShinHan in DB. He must be vibrating his body so fast that gives this impression.
Also i read somewhere (probably is wrong) that If u manage to match an element vibration u can destroy it…
You know, after seeing Luffy learn soru, I was hoping that the other SHs would learn CP9 moves–cause they're so cool. But Oda's done one better and given them technique superior to the roushiki. Luffy probably just learned soru so that he could have the speed he needs to fight evenly with Lucci.
I thought the fight ended up great. Kaku was strong as hell and Zoro ripped him a new one. I don't think anything else was necessary.
And I wish, but I can't see Lucci going down that quickly.
I think Oda giving the techniques a lack of explaination is on purpose. Just letting the fans figure it out for themselves. Course I could be wrong but it seem like an interesting storytelling move.
Ok back when he was fighting those Marines and his demonic aura appeared behind him Zoro didn't know how to control it properly so it just would appear behind him. But sometime between then and the Kaku fight he learned to control and concentrate his own aura into a physical form and so he decided to make the illusion that there was 3 of himself.
No, he's had an aura of non demonic beings since the begining of the series, there is no reason why he can project a physical change with the demon aura and not the ox, tiger, dragon auras.
You know, after seeing Luffy learn soru, I was hoping that the other SHs would learn CP9 moves–cause they're so cool.
I understood it as Blueno percieving Luffy to learn Soru because he had never met a person move so fast before, Luffy said he replicated Soru, but afterwards was much faster even when he wasn't touching the ground thus I believe he simply got faster after he "learned Soru" rather than just using one of CP9's techniques, he used it as a pogo stick to jump onto the next stage of speed if that makes sense.
No, he's had an aura of non demonic beings since the begining of the series, there is no reason why he can project a physical change with the demon aura and not the ox, tiger, dragon auras
Zoro has always had auras when he uses he sword styles that appear behind himself, hes simply now reached the point that hes discovered a sword style (the Asura stance) so powerful that one of those aura's actually takes on a somewhat tangible form when he strikes.
You'd think in a series where the primary source of powerups is people eating produce with demons sealed inside of them, that things like this and Sanji's flaming kick would be more easily accepted.
I mean, the CP9's techniques were all martial arts, not devil fruit, but nobody questions how they can turn thier bodies into steel, contort like paper, walk on the air, kick shockwaves, etc. Actually, I may be wrong there, I think people did freak out a bit about thier powers being so strong and being non-DF when they first revealed themselves, so maybe its just the shock value going on here.
I think Oda giving the techniques a lack of explaination is on purpose. Just letting the fans figure it out for themselves. Course I could be wrong but it seem like an interesting storytelling move.
Ya, hes not done yet. Sanji's flaming feet were on thing, and then the kick he finished Jyabura off with was named Flambage. Zoro took the 9-sword stance Asura, and then the move he finished Kaku off with had its own individual name. Luffy used Gear2, and then each move had its own Jet name. So Oda is going to continue to add moves to these fighting stances, not leave them as is. As a result, we will probably get more explanation on them the next time we see them, this most likely simply a plot device to leave us all in amazement. It seems more incredible when we are left guessing as to how they are doing these things.
lol, i'm all for discussing evident plot holes to resolution, however gaping guages of plot holes such as Zoro's Asura are just a step too far. it's the ultimate bullshitting technique by Oda. And a testement to his writing of villainous foes that unless he made his readers take a HUGE leap of faith, Zoro and Kaku were equal. It's actually oda style ironic that Kaku was an even match for Zoro up until he picked his swords up again.
Now some will say that it's the same as Sanji Blue Devil techniques, however i'd had to vehemently disagree, Sanji merely combined Bon Clay's Okama-Kempo techniques with Wanze's flaming skate techniques. Where as Zoro's was acctually and blatantly an upgrade. I.E. parts of him were replaced with better ones out of no where. However there's nothing to moan about it seems Zoro is learning mantra slowly but surely which is sexy.
All in all, decent chapter. glad it's over and i really hope i don't see the Asura upgrade again.
I think Oda giving the techniques a lack of explaination is on purpose. Just letting the fans figure it out for themselves. Course I could be wrong but it seem like an interesting storytelling move.
That's true I mean look at Luffy's attacks. Gomu Gomu no Pinwheel came from Genzo although it wasnt stated. It was shown in the anime but im pretty sure its was implied in the manga. And Gomu Gomu no Storm came from the Sandstorm Crocodile made. Not my own idea got that from somewhere in these forums. So maybe there are explanations, or maybe there isnt. Oda will tell all if he feels like it.
Heh, before this arc, people were going, what will Zoro do now? He has already broken steel, so obviously his new development has to be one that will break something harder. Nothing new, his fights are so cliche blah blah balh. And now people go…ooh look Zoro can project his image, so obviously evry other swordsman in the world can project their images....the fights have got to be dull now :\
Wonder when people will finally give up with the senseless bashing, considering just how many times Oda befuddles us with some ingenious shit like Asura. Best looking upgrade so far.....by far.
Still surprised he has just one move that breaks steel tho :)
lol, i'm all for discussing evident plot holes to resolution, however gaping guages of plot holes such as Zoro's Asura are just a step too far. it's the ultimate bullshitting technique by Oda.
After all the mess that happens in OP, and in that fight that a giraffeman uses his body like pasta, you complain about that? No offense, but it makes you sound like a Sanji fan disappointed that someone else can do something arguably more incredible.
And a testement to his writing of villainous foes that unless he made his readers take a HUGE leap of faith, Zoro and Kaku were equal. It's actually oda style ironic that Kaku was an even match for Zoro up until he picked his swords up again.
Kaku and Zoro even? An immediate stalemate or inability to cause damage doesn't mean they're even.
Now some will say that it's the same as Sanji Blue Devil techniques, however i'd had to vehemently disagree, Sanji merely combined Bon Clay's Okama-Kempo techniques with Wanze's flaming skate techniques. Where as Zoro's was acctually and blatantly an upgrade. I.E. parts of him were replaced with better ones out of no where. However there's nothing to moan about it seems Zoro is learning mantra slowly but surely which is sexy.
Sanji saying a line with a mild reference to heat and then setting his legs on fire to become much stronger isn't a blatant upgrade….okay. Zoro constantly pulls out moves from other sword disciplines (one sword, two sword etc.) and comes up with a fairly unpredictable technique each big fight. Besides the utter exception of using knives, Sanji has been pretty straightfoward for as long as we've known him.
Though there's non-chi related explanations, Asura hasn't even been explained. Sanji's move is obvious, and still makes no sense when you consider how it was done. There have always been multiple limb-style images, but Sanji creates a contained heat within his legs by spinning fast. Yeah.
I present something for consideration:
Maybe Oda just thought the Asura move looked cool this way. Maybe it has something to do with aura, maybe not. If it gets explained we can all discuss the explanation, until then let's just say it was an awesome sword move of some kind and leave it at that.
Alright now, Usopp's the onyl SH without a fight yet….and he needs it. I've come to accept he'll probably fight Spandam, but then again it would be funny if there was another fight change and he fought Lucci.
Alright now, Usopp's the onyl SH without a fight yet….and he needs it. I've come to accept he'll probably fight Spandam, but then again it would be funny if there was another fight change and he fought Lucci.
I think he will fight Spandam, who will actually turn out to be far stronger than weve taken him for. I think he will be the one to defeat Spandam and save Robin, and Robin will be the one that takes out the BC in a nice emotional scene where she overcomes her past demons.
I totally agree odlam, that's probably how it will go…and it will be fun. But seriously, how hillarious would the fan reaction be if Luffy fought spandam instead?
Thanks for everyone who provided the raw. :happy:
After all the mess that happens in OP, and in that fight that a giraffeman uses his body like pasta, you complain about that? No offense, but it makes you sound like a Sanji fan disappointed that someone else can do something arguably more incredible.
Kaku and Zoro even? An immediate stalemate or inability to cause damage doesn't mean they're even.
Sanji saying a line with a mild reference to heat and then setting his legs on fire to become much stronger isn't a blatant upgrade….okay. Zoro constantly pulls out moves from other sword disciplines (one sword, two sword etc.) and comes up with a fairly unpredictable technique each big fight. Besides the utter exception of using knives, Sanji has been pretty straightfoward for as long as we've known him.
Though there's non-chi related explanations, Asura hasn't even been explained. Sanji's move is obvious, and still makes no sense when you consider how it was done. There have always been multiple limb-style images, but Sanji creates a contained heat within his legs by spinning fast. Yeah.
No offence taken. however comparing a technique that was notably stolen from Wanze and elaborated on, is a bit different from stealing a technique from Robin and using it like you're own. I admit i'm not happy with the thought of suddenly Zoro has three heads and nine arms, especially with all his talk of more swords doesn't make you a better fighter, even in this chapter. I just find this a tad cheap.
If an immediate stalemate isn't even i don't know what is, just like Lucchi vs Luffy punch, it was even, thus a stalemate. in fact
stale·mate Pronunciation (stlmt)
n.
1. A situation in which further action is blocked; a deadlock.
they were pretty much evenly matched up until the point that Zoro decided to transcend all of the basics of biology and physics and just wing it.
I agree Sanji has been pretty much straightforward, however i wouldn't say that Zoro is distinctly less straight forward, i.e. he holds his swords out in a shape in order to make a shadow on the wall, plays "i see a shadow of a…" and then bleeds A LOT till he has to calm down and rely on his training.
To be honest here, i'm not a particular fan of none of the big three's new moves. Sanji is still short a ranged attack, Zoro's still short his mantra and Luffy's upgrade i just consider laziness on the part of Oda, though that might shift to genius if the scientific explainations are indeed true. but ultimately i didn't feel any were particularly needed. I in fact quite liked the idea that Sanji's mincemeat level one and two techniques were doing damage from the inside out as opposed to outside in.
However that said, i still fight the idea of Zoro spouting aarms utterly ridiculous and just thought i'd get my moan in before the new chapter came out, think of it as a (if the next chapter does explain an explaination) opportunity to see me eat humble pie, as i'll always give credit where credit is due.
No offence taken. however comparing a technique that was notably stolen from Wanze and elaborated on, is a bit different from stealing a technique from Robin and using it like you're own. I admit i'm not happy with the thought of suddenly Zoro has three heads and nine arms, especially with all his talk of more swords doesn't make you a better fighter, even in this chapter. I just find this a tad cheap.
That seems a little biased as well. There was no acknowledgement of Bon or Wanze, and besides the principles of spinning and using fire, the technique is complete different. Sanji contains heat in his legs through his shoes, while Wanze just ignited a spark. And even if it was from the fire skates, that doesn't make his "stealing" any different than Zoro's. Despite the fact that Zoro always names his moves after animals and mythical creatures, and was clearly inspired by Asura and not Robin.
Oh, and though Zoro said a bunch of swords doesn't make you better, he meant in effect. Not sure how to phrase it, but what he meant was that just having them wouldn't make Hachi better than him. Else he'd be a hypocrite, since he was originally a two sword fighter.
If an immediate stalemate isn't even i don't know what is, just like Lucchi vs Luffy punch, it was even, thus a stalemate. in fact they were pretty much evenly matched up until the point that Zoro decided to transcend all of the basics of biology and physics and just wing it.
Even up until that point. Like I said, unless it ends in a double KO, it wasn't even. A small margin is what allows someone to win, and until both have shown their best, you can't really say that.
I don't get the ''aura'' thing people are going on about if it is his aura he used to assist him then a) why don't he just give up the swords and do a dbz type super saiyan upgrade and b) since he's a human i.e no devil fruit shouldn't anoyone else be able to do it since it's not expertice specific?, i'm pretty sure i'm probably missing something hugely logical about it would someone explain please thanks.
Yeah, not to say it's stupid, but I found the aura argument really bad. That's like Luffy using his determination to project multiple hands during the Storm, Gatling, and Cannon. And in case it's mentioned, no, the hands aren't really discernable from the after images, seeing as how only three people thus far have been able to stop the Gatling.
Zoro pulls off Azura by creating an illusion with mirrors (his swords), maybe?
That way there is no chi or spirit or whatever you hate involved, and hell you really can do crazy things with mirrors, maybe that's why Kaku was amazed that he could pull off the "illusion"?
can i say, yes, maybe the moves dont make 100% sense, but it looks damn cool, pwns the Big Bads, thats great. dont forget luffy and co. still have a LONG way to the top/pirate summit(Ace), whatever.
sorri, im a newbie here, jus wanted to request a 'combination' of 417's last two pics (zoro's asura- silver mist) please :)