The Great New World Discussion Thread

[Miss Saturday]

This is a shonen series. Its target audience is 13-year-old boys who want to see sexy women with tits bigger than their heads. There's absolutely no reason why One Piece has to stand up to the Tumblr-approved guidelines of what's "acceptable" and not.

That being said, Oda has gotten incredibly lazy when it comes to character building and diversity. For all of his greatness, he also falls back on a lot of cop-outs. He's always had a black and white mentality with his characters that's only somehow gotten worse with the years. OP is at a point where he could do whatever he wanted with it at free-reign and truly elevate it to amazing levels, yet he doesn't.

[Hitotsumami]

@Miss:

Oda has gotten incredibly lazy when it comes to character building and diversity.

I agree in most cases, but I do have to say, Oda has done some amazing character building in the Doflamingo crew. For the first time that I can think of, I feel at least some level of compassion for an enemy crew. Through Law's flashback, seeing the crew interact, protect each other, share drinks, everything a GOOD crew does, gives me some compassion for them. Of course, I still want to see them defeated, I still think what they are doing is wrong, but I can't help but feel like them sticking together for their family is something I have not seen demonstrated in any previous 'enemy' crew (except perhaps Crocodile to a smaller degree). Even Doflamingo, in all of his hate, would go out and protect his family and feels genuine regret when something bad happens to them (example: when Vergo and Monet dies).

Almost all past enemies don't hold this trait. Enel didn't seem to care about anything other than his own dream. Caesar certainly didn't care about his subordinates. There are other examples as well. Thus, why I feel Oda, while certainly not 'elevating things to amazing levels', is at least doing something different, and something commendable: Making me care about the enemy. After all, the best villains are those we care about.

[enkidude]

i think there's been way too much happening plot wise, and the plot itself being rushed to such a point (which some people in this very discussion have critiqued quite a bit) that said expected characterization and development has to be on the backburner. very little has actually happened in real time in the story for such wants to have been met, and of course that fuels the rants and complaints and hairsplitting that we hear everyday now, and wow, what a bunch of whiners and crackpots some of you are, but if you sit back and think, there it is, he's squandered it, then you're going to believe it and apply it in the face of the opposite, and subtle development he is trying to squeeze in.
but to bash it before it happens because you're impatient, (or due to what we've only already seen) and setting that in stone, is one thing, but anyway, applying it to the future, is another mound of bs, and a logical fallacy. some of the arguments happening right now are pretty goddamn silly, and watching it happen just makes me shake my head and wonder what any of you actually believe or stand for, especially because of the exact medium and thing we are discussing. my advice is talk about something on topic, and if you can't help but desperately argue about made up social issues yet to be addressed in a manga, then apply that same passion to the real world instead.

[Miss Saturday]

Huh. I've never really gotten a vibe that the Donquixote Crew is admirable or different in any way, actually. They're slightly more fleshed out, sure, and we've definitely gotten to see more of their backgrounds, but I wouldn't say it counts as anything groundbreaking here. At least to me. They're all very original (with great designs), but they still come off as cartoonishly evil - especially the top executives. And Doflamingo isn't really the first antagonist to show care for his people. Magellan was upset when Hannyabal sacrificed himself and got whooped in his stead. And I seem to recall the Foxy crew having some care for one another, especially their captain. Not to mention Arlong, who had a deep respect and love for all his crewmates because of what they'd been through.

But being more specific, I was referring to the way Oda handles women. In both character-wise and a design level. I mean.. come on now; when was the last time Nami and Robin were even remotely useful to the story? It's almost laughable how obsolete some of the Strawhats have become. Dare we even talk about the Tashigi stuff in PH? Rebecca in this very arc? ..

[Hypperactive]

@Miss:

Huh. I've never really gotten a vibe that the Donquixote Crew is admirable or different in any way, actually. They're slightly more fleshed out, sure, and we've definitely gotten to see more of their backgrounds, but I wouldn't say it counts as anything groundbreaking here. At least to me. They're all very original (with great designs), but they still come off as cartoonishly evil - especially the top executives. And Doflamingo isn't really the first antagonist to show care for his people. Magellan was upset when Hannyabal sacrificed himself and got whooped in his stead. And I seem to recall the Foxy crew having some care for one another, especially their captain. Not to mention Arlong, who had a deep respect and love for all his crewmates because of what they'd been through.

But being more specific, I was referring to the way Oda handles women. In both character-wise and a design level. I mean.. come on now; when was the last time Nami and Robin were even remotely useful to the story? It's almost laughable how obsolete some of the Strawhats have become. Dare we even talk about the Tashigi stuff in PH? Rebecca in this very arc? ..

I agree with that statement so much, Nami and Robin have had little to no relevance in this arc. Their characters aren't getting any play to the story. Time-skip made that even more clear.

[Vectorkov]

@Miss:

when was the last time Nami and Robin were even remotely useful to the story?

Robin got to introduce the story of Joy Boy and the revelation about Poseidon, which are two points highly relevant to the overall story. While that was quite some time ago for us as readers, it wasn't so long ago in the story. No doubt she's going to be featured more when the Revolutionaries, Uranus, more Poneglyphs, and the Void Century become more prominent.

Perhaps Oda feels it is better to not use her too much now knowing how much she'll be involved later on.

Also, wasn't Nami initially the main force behind rescuing the children in PH? That wasn't huge to the overall story, but it was big for the arc.

[hosemisnuba]

@Vectorkov:

Robin got to introduce the story of Joy Boy and the revelation about Poseidon, which are two points highly relevant to the overall story. While that was quite some time ago for us as readers, it wasn't so long ago in the story. No doubt she's going to be featured more when the Revolutionaries, Uranus, more Poneglyphs, and the Void Century become more prominent.

Perhaps Oda feels it is better to not use her too much now knowing how much she'll be involved later on.

Also, wasn't Nami initially the main force behind rescuing the children in PH? That wasn't huge to the overall story, but it was big for the arc.

Stop defending Oda and his portrayal of his woman. He's objectively bad at it. That fact is rather clear.

[The Thunderbolt Kid]

@Vectorkov:

Robin got to introduce the story of Joy Boy and the revelation about Poseidon, which are two points highly relevant to the overall story. While that was quite some time ago for us as readers, it wasn't so long ago in the story. No doubt she's going to be featured more when the Revolutionaries, Uranus, more Poneglyphs, and the Void Century become more prominent.

Perhaps Oda feels it is better to not use her too much now knowing how much she'll be involved later on.

Also, wasn't Nami initially the main force behind rescuing the children in PH? That wasn't huge to the overall story, but it was big for the arc.

She was the driving force behind that moment but ultimately within the frame of the arc the kids became a side story in comparison to Law and whatever "badass" thing he was doing that week. Heck even the kids story line was resolved off screen by Law.

In all honesty I think there've been way too many superfluous story lines and characters in the New World so far (seriously what are the point of the dwarves right now) and the SH characters that I love and actually read the manga for have suffered as a result.

[Warp Predator]

@The:

She was the driving force behind that moment but ultimately within the frame of the arc the kids became a side story in comparison to Law and whatever "badass" thing he was doing that week. Heck even the kids story line was resolved off screen by Law.

It's funny how during the arc it felt completely other way around.

[Monquito]

@Gore:

What if Oda said he doesnt give a fuck if he is seen as a misoginist on an SBS. What then?

What the.. xD, he can't say stuff like that, he's a public figure without internet anonymity.

[Champ]

Am I the only one who reads One Piece and is excited about it?

Bitches, man. You're all bitches.

Go write your own socially appropriate, fantastically-paced manga. I'll definitely read it.

[pwnobi]

@Miss:

I was referring to the way Oda handles women. In both character-wise and a design level. I mean.. come on now; when was the last time Nami and Robin were even remotely useful to the story? It's almost laughable how obsolete some of the Strawhats have become. Dare we even talk about the Tashigi stuff in PH? Rebecca in this very arc? ..

Very true. Most of his female characters are comparatively bad. Even when they get good designs or personality quirks, too much screen-time puts them right back down to comparatively bad. I still have hope maybe Hina can be a good character.

[Darth]

@Champ:

Am I the only one who reads One Piece and is excited about it?

Bitches, man. You're all bitches.

Go write your own socially appropriate, fantastically-paced manga. I'll definitely read it.

You know, it's not like it's bloody impossible.

Take Kingdom, for example. That manga is set in historical period and nation known for the misygony and still manages to portray women in better light then Oda does.

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@pwnobi:

Very true. Most of his female characters are comparatively bad. Even when they get good designs or personality quirks, too much screen-time puts them right back down to comparatively bad. I still have hope maybe Hina can be a good character.

Eh… marine. And without Admiral rank.

Look at Tsuru: She is a Vice Admiral and stated to be one of the greatest tactical minds in the navy and she can't even find Doffy on her own.

Or the fact that both Robin and Nami in their respective arcs revealing their backstory are reduced to being a motivation for others without any capabilities on their own.

Hell, vast majority of the female characters are just that: Motivation. They exist to prompt Male protagonists into action, one way or the other. It is annoying and unnecessary.

[Z0R0]

@Darth:

You know, it's not like it's bloody impossible.

Take Kingdom, for example. That manga is set in historical period and nation known for the misygony and still manages to portray women in better light then Oda does.

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Eh... marine. And without Admiral rank.

Look at Tsuru: She is a Vice Admiral and stated to be one of the greatest tactical minds in the navy and she can't even find Doffy on her own.

Or the fact that both Robin and Nami in their respective arcs revealing their backstory are reduced to being a motivation for others without any capabilities on their own.

Hell, vast majority of the female characters are just that: Motivation. They exist to prompt Male protagonists into action, one way or the other. It is annoying and unnecessary.

Weren't the figures in both Robin and Nami's back-stories who set the way for both Robin and Nami female? Robin's mother and Saul, and Belle-Mere and Nojiko?

[Darth]

@Z0R0:

Weren't the figures in both Robin and Nami's back-stories who set the way for both Robin and Nami female? Robin's mother and Saul, and Belle-Mere and Nojiko?

Eh, Saul is very much male.

Regardless of that, "setting the way" can very well be considered being reduced to a motivation.

And really, flashbacks can't be consider as a justification for the main part of the series. It's like saying "Oda kills plenty of people… In Flashback!"

[RamistaR]

Oda might consider women as physically weaker. So yeah they don't fight that much and are often protected by men.
Oda probably has the same kind of chivalry as Sanji. It's old school alright, but it's miles away from chauvinism.
You all seem to imply that Oda is worst in that regard than other writers. But I don't see any examples to prove that aside from Darth's Kingdom.
Unfortunately I don't know this show so I can't argue there.

I've read horrible things here about the Japanese treating women like woodlouse…as opposed to who exactly ? It's natural to consider your culture as superior, I can't blame you.
But I would definitely like to know what are the famous american or european series that are so better than One Piece at portraying women.

[Z0R0]

@Darth:

Eh, Saul is very much male.

Regardless of that, "setting the way" can very well be considered being reduced to a motivation.

And really, flashbacks can't be consider as a justification for the main part of the series. It's like saying "Oda kills plenty of people… In Flashback!"

I know Saul was male, I was just listing the main strong characters in those arcs, three of which were female.

[Darth]

@RamistaR:

Oda might consider women as physically weaker. So yeah they don't fight that much and are often protected by men.
Oda probably has the same kind of chivalry as Sanji. It's old school alright, but it's miles away from chauvinism.
You all seem to imply that Oda is worst in that regard than other writers. But I don't see any examples to prove that aside from Darth's Kingdom.
Unfortunately I don't know this show so I can't argue there.

I've read horrible things here about the Japanese treating women like woodlouse…as opposed to who exactly ? It's natural to consider your culture as superior, I can't blame you.
But I would definitely like to know what are the famous american or european series that are so better than One Piece at portraying women.

To your little edit there, there has been famous woman pirates, some of which were largely succesful. Ching Shih springs to mind, for example.

To your question about famous american or european series that are better at portraying women then Oda, I would start with anything written by Gail Simone. Bill Willingham does a good job sa well. Those would be first two that spring to mind, mostly because I've never been much into comics.

Out of manga industry, as I said, Kingdom. Hell, I would argue Shokugeki no Souma, if we talk about something that started recently, also has a better portrayl of women then One Piece does, ridicilous fanservice aside. Oh, and add Fullmetal Alchemist to that as well.

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@Z0R0:

I know Saul was male, I was just listing the main strong characters in those arcs, three of which were female.

Regardless, Flashback characters don't count. Oda explores everything he does not in the main series in them. You can't argue: "This character that was strong for less than ten chapters and then immediatly died to provide a motivation for a Straw Hat is a complete contr-argument to Oda not writing his females well in the main part of the series.". Because that isn't true. If anything, that just shows that the problem runs deeper, because Oda is capable, but not willing.

[TakaSasuke78]

Things still left to do:

• Visit Elbaf
• Defeat BB, Kaido, Shanks, Akainu
• Nakama Dreams
• Visit All Blue
• Defeat Mihawk
• Visit Laboon
• Visit Raftel
• Touch on Crew background
• Nami's parents
• Sanji North Blue reference
• Luffy Mother
• Get 10th Nakama
• Find One Piece
• Unravel Weapon Mystery
• Seaking Mystery

What else am I missing?

[Champ]

What I find hilarious is women with power (i.e. sexy women) don't give a flying fuck about all that equality bullshit. Sometimes nature is too powerful a force for us to overcome and pretend it doesn't exist.

Women's role in sex and in life is to be dominated, and they love it. They pretend they don't, but that's why time and time again, powerful women choose powerful dominant men as their partner.

That's not to say women are inferior, that women aren't human, and men are better than women. Both men and women are human beings. It's just simply biologically why we get in the position we're in.

There are some things that men are simply better at than women and vice-versa. But in this case specifically (fighting) men are indeed significantly more well adapted to success than women. Men are on a whole larger, they have greater spacial awareness, faster reflexes, more durable frames, thicker bones, and thousands of years of biological practice hunting. OF COURSE they're going to be superior in physical combat. Not that physical combat matters in real life, because it's just plain stupid. But why are we complaining about things that are?

[springsring]

@Champ:

What I find hilarious is women with power (i.e. sexy women) don't give a flying fuck about all that equality bullshit. Sometimes nature is too powerful a force for us to overcome and pretend it doesn't exist.

Women's role in sex and in life is to be dominated, and they love it. They pretend they don't, but that's why time and time again, powerful women choose powerful dominant men as their partner.

That's not to say women are inferior, that women aren't human, and men are better than women. Both men and women are human beings. It's just simply biologically why we get in the position we're in.

There are some things that men are simply better at than women and vice-versa. But in this case specifically (fighting) men are indeed significantly more well adapted to success than women. Men are on a whole larger, they have greater spacial awareness, faster reflexes, more durable frames, thicker bones, and thousands of years of biological practice hunting. OF COURSE they're going to be superior in physical combat. Not that physical combat matters in real life, because it's just plain stupid. But why are we complaining about things that are?

Holy shit are you a troll?

[Shadowgreed]

@TakaSasuke78:

Things still left to do:

• Visit Elbaf
• Defeat BB, Kaido, Shanks, Akainu
• Nakama Dreams
• Visit All Blue
• Defeat Mihawk
• Visit Laboon
• Visit Raftel
• Touch on Crew background
• Nami's parents
• Sanji North Blue reference
• Luffy Mother
• Get 10th Nakama
• Find One Piece
• Unravel Weapon Mystery
• Seaking Mystery

What else am I missing?

Missing:
**- The voice of all things

• The elders

• That huge monster at the end of TB that we will never know anything about

• The dojo at Fishman Island

• The frozen people on Punk Hazard**

• Visit Elbaf (Can't wait)

• Defeat BB, Kaido, Shanks, Akainu (What about Mama?)

• Visit All Blue (Ain't happening)

• Defeat Mihawk (Do we really need it though?)

• Visit Laboon (It would be cool If the Strawhats stay inside Laboon before the big war preparing and shit, the have the Red Line will be right next to them)

• Touch on Crew background (More?)

• Nami's parents (Why?)

• Sanji North Blue reference (Which one?)

• Luffy Mother (???)

• Get 10th Nakama (Jimbi #10)

• Seaking Mystery (Which one?)

[Z0R0]

@Shadowgreed:

- Get 10th Nakama (Jimbi #10)

That's if you include Luffy. If so there is still the 11th member to get. (Oda and Soccer)

[Shadowgreed]

@Z0R0:

That's if you include Luffy. If so there is still the 11th member to get. (Oda and Soccer)

Oda himself did .

[flandrian15]

7th Shichibukai
Find One Piece maybe?
Sabo's absence at the war
Defeat Mingo
Become pirate king
Find Poneglyps
Void century
Every lie Ussop told except for those that have come to pass
Perona marrying Mihawk
Absolom stalking Cavendish in stead of Nami
Enel's grand return
Pell's death (he got the amber lead disease from the explosion)
Sanji coming out of the closet

[Joy_Boy's_Will]

@Champ:

What I find hilarious is women with power (i.e. sexy women) don't give a flying fuck about all that equality bullshit. Sometimes nature is too powerful a force for us to overcome and pretend it doesn't exist.

Women's role in sex and in life is to be dominated, and they love it. They pretend they don't, but that's why time and time again, powerful women choose powerful dominant men as their partner.

That's not to say women are inferior, that women aren't human, and men are better than women. Both men and women are human beings. It's just simply biologically why we get in the position we're in.

There are some things that men are simply better at than women and vice-versa. But in this case specifically (fighting) men are indeed significantly more well adapted to success than women. Men are on a whole larger, they have greater spacial awareness, faster reflexes, more durable frames, thicker bones, and thousands of years of biological practice hunting. OF COURSE they're going to be superior in physical combat. Not that physical combat matters in real life, because it's just plain stupid. But why are we complaining about things that are?

lol, all i hear is cricketts… but I agree completely.

This isn't hating on women, sexist, racist or any of that BS, it's just genetics. Women have 2 X chromosomes and Men have an x and a Y, and that leads to a variety of differences. One of those is fighting capability.

Fun fact, most pirate crews didn't have any females on board at all. Oda is kind enough not to take that bit of history into one piece. Lay off him already.

[King Cannon]

@Champ:

Women's role in sex and in life is to be dominated, and they love it. They pretend they don't, but that's why time and time again, powerful women choose powerful dominant men as their partner.

Nice stereotyping there.

Because really, all women are the same, despite being human, which are complex beings where different individuals have different thoughts.

@Joy_Boy's_Will:

lol, all i hear is cricketts… but I agree completely.

This isn't hating on women, sexist, racist or any of that BS, it's just genetics. Women have 2 X chromosomes and Men have an x and a Y, and that leads to a variety of differences. One of those is fighting capability.

Which is irrelevant in One Piece, where scrawny kids like Luffy can easily overpower mountains of muscles.

[Tyrano]

Really reminds me why I had him on ignore for so long.

[Hitotsumami]

What I'm really looking forward to is the 'god' of Elbaf. I love the giants, so I can't wait to see how things progress there.

[Champ]

@King:

Nice stereotyping there.

Because really, all women are the same, despite being human, which are complex beings where different individuals have different thoughts.

Honestly…do you know how sex works?

All my points are based purely on biological hardware.

[JaxSazz]

@Champ:

Honestly…do you know how sex works?

All my points are based purely on biological hardware.

This is highly politically incorrect and I find it offensive. You pig ! :ninja:

[King Cannon]

@Champ:

Honestly…do you know how sex works?

All my points are based purely on biological hardware.

Oh, so suddenly you're a biological expert? I'm totally believing an Internet guy about that.

Biologically, all women share the same mentality. What is this based on?

Really, if you're going to say women are supposed to be dominated in life is pretty much claiming that they shouldn't be treated equally, as if Biology controlled the way we do stuff or something.

[Champ]

@King:

Oh, so suddenly you're a biological expert? I'm totally believing an Internet guy about that.

Biologically, all women share the same mentality. What is this based on?

Really, if you're going to say women are supposed to be dominated in life is pretty much claiming that they shouldn't be treated equally, as if Biology controlled the way we do stuff or something.

LOL biology controls nearly everything we do.

….do you need me to explain the birds and the bees?

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@JaxSazz:

This is highly politically incorrect and I find it offensive. You pig ! :ninja:

Thats me, shocking the people back into the world. ;)

[King Cannon]

@Champ:

LOL biology controls nearly everything we do.

Again, where's the "biological" proof that women love being dominated?

@Champ:

….do you need me to explain the birds and the bees?

What does this have to do with the discussion?

[Champ]

@King:

Again, where's the "biological" proof?

Try not eating or drinking for a solid 3 days.

Proof.

Biology controls us far more than intellectual and moral factors ever could.

[JaxSazz]

@King:

Again, where's the "biological" proof that women love being dominated?

It's not strictly biology but rather ethology.

[King Cannon]

@Champ:

Try not eating or drinking for a solid 3 days.

Proof.

Biology controls us far more than intellectual and moral factors ever could.

I'm talking about women.

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@JaxSazz:

It's not strictly biology but rather ethology.

Again, proof?

[Tyrano]

Lmao .

[JaxSazz]

@King:

Again, proof?

I didn't claim anything.

By the way, do you think males tend to be more prone to violence/aggressivity ? Not all of them, of course, but on average ?

[King Cannon]

@JaxSazz:

I didn't claim anything.

By the way, do you think males tend to be more prone to violence/aggressivity ? Not all of them, of course, but on average ?

Hell if I know. I'm no "Biologist".

Or "Ethologist", to be more accurate.

[JaxSazz]

@King:

Hell if I know. I'm no "Biologist".

That'd be ethologist or sociologist.

EDIT : don't take this post too seriously, ethology is considered a subcategory of biology.

[King Cannon]

@JaxSazz:

That'd be ethologist or sociologist.

I'm also neither.

But I still have the right to question any "biological/ethological/sociological" notions. I'm not claiming anything either.

[Shadowgreed]

[Champ]

Dancing around reality doesn't change it.

Could Randa Rousey defeat T.J Dillashaw?

The answer is a resounding no.

In fact, they aren't even allowed to fight.

If women and men are physically equal then why are women and men's events separated?

Look up track and field scores and records, compare the differences between men and women.

This whole thing is fucking stupid. You ask for proof, it's all there. Now what?

[JaxSazz]

@Champ:

Dancing around reality doesn't change it.

Could Randa Rousey defeat T.J Dillashaw?

The answer is a resounding no.

In fact, they aren't even allowed to fight.

If women and men are physically equal then why are women and men's events separated?

Look up track and field scores and records, compare the differences between men and women.

This whole thing is fucking stupid. You ask for proof, it's all there. Now what?

I don't think you're really explaining it correctly.
But that's not what I wanna say. I think it's pointless to argue about this topic since it's a very heated and politicized debate nowadays and a lot of people simply REFUSE to conceive that women would be on average even SLIGHTLY more submissive.
For exemple, many "politically correct" people will admit that basic sociology hints at males being usually more aggressive but will refuse the very idea that women seek dominant partners because dominance is generally seen as negative and oppressive. Even if sociologic studies tend to demonstrate it. And that's because sociology isn't the most solid of sciences. Anyone can twist sociologic facts or at least claims. Nowadays, claims about women are the most likely to be met with hostility.
I'm not saying it's the case with King Cannon, but this kind of debate is often fruitless on the internet.
Feel free to try, though, it can be interesting if you can succesfully back up your claims.

[Champ]

@JaxSazz:

I don't think you're really explaining it correctly.
But that's not what I wanna say. I think it's pointless to argue about this topic since it's a very heated and politicized debate nowadays and a lot of people simply REFUSE to conceive that women would be on average even SLIGHTLY more submissive.
For exemple, many "politically correct" people will admit that basic sociology hints at males being usually more aggressive but will refuse the very idea that women seek dominant partners because dominance is generally seen as negative and oppressive. Even if sociologic studies tend to demonstrate it. And that's because sociology isn't the most solid of sciences. Anyone can twist sociologic facts or at least claims. Nowadays, claims about women are the most likely to be met with hostility.
I'm not saying it's the case with King Cannon, but this kind of debate is often fruitless on the internet.
Feel free to try, though, it can be interesting if you can succesfully back up your claims.

I know it's stupid. I know I shouldn't even bother.

But it's so simple that I won't back down. People need to get their heads out of the god damn clouds.

Women seek dominant men because a penis is being rammed into them repeatedly. Sex, in reality, is violent.

[King Cannon]

@Champ:

I know it's stupid. I know I shouldn't even bother.

But it's so simple that I won't back down. People need to get their heads out of the god damn clouds.

Women seek dominant men because a penis is being rammed into them repeatedly. Sex, in reality, is violent.

So women are constantly looking to be raped?

[Joy_Boy's_Will]

@King:

So women are constantly looking to be raped?

note i haven't read any of the most recent conversation.

But based on the section you highlighted, you are taking his words out of context.

[Tyrano]

@Champ:

I know it's stupid. I know I shouldn't even bother.

But it's so simple that I won't back down. People need to get their heads out of the god damn clouds.

Women seek dominant men because a penis is being rammed into them repeatedly. Sex, in reality, is violent.

Good riddance lmao

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@Joy_Boy's_Will:

note i haven't read any of the most recent conversation.

But based on the section you highlighted, you are taking his words out of context.

Not really nope.

[King Cannon]

@Joy_Boy's_Will:

note i haven't read any of the most recent conversation.

But based on the section you highlighted, you are taking his words out of context.

I would like for him to start showing actual proof instead of just claiming things without any evidence.

Because he's no better than a troll right now if he just says controversial stuff about a delicate topic with no actual backing up.