Not to mention Hancock. She is obviously Doffy level. Pretty much confirmed during Sniper Island arc.
The Great New World Discussion Thread
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Not to mention Hancock. She is obviously Doffy level. Pretty much confirmed during Sniper Island arc.
What the hell is the "Sniper Island" arc.
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@Monkey:
What the hell is the "Sniper Island" arc.
Is on your heart
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Japanese consider women inferior to men.Officially.So there you have it.
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If you don't mind, then I won't. Not interested in that discussion enough to create proper arguments.
Now, in this one I'm interested in. Ironizing aside, I will go as Socrates would and ask you a question.
Do you think Oda wants Fujitora to be portrayed as morally sound, in a sense that people should look at him and say, "This is a good person"?
He's been shown mostly as morally good as well as ambiguous, but only in the sense that he should try to take doffys head himself with presented evidence, because that's what the audience should deem as good. But, he is merely doing the best he can do within the actual limitations of his authority as a marine– he is not a vigilante justice. Therefore he is a mostly neutral authority that plays by the rules, but also gambles in some decisions, a complexity of humanity that obviously discomforts some. However, he also repays proper kindness with equal gratitude -- allowing luffy and zoro to walk, and also allowing rogue chaotic-good (the strawhats) to gamble themselves before interfering.
Darth getting serious should be interesting.
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Japanese consider women inferior to men.Officially.So there you have it.
Ikr? so does the rest of the whole world
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Ikr? so does the rest of the whole world
Oda is japanese and author of One piece, so why should he care about the rest of the world?
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Oda is japanese and author of One piece, so why should he care about the rest of the world?
I think the people who he should be caring more about is specifically about 50% of that world.
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@Monkey:
I think the people who he should be caring more about is specifically about 50% of that world.
Exactly….Wait what? Who's this 50%? I'm sure Japan population alone don't make up 50% of the world.
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Oda is japanese and author of One piece, so why should he care about the rest of the world?
You're saying people should only care about national stuff?
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You're saying people should only care about national stuff?
No, but they should care about the part of their audience that is a majority and not minority.
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You're saying people should only care about national stuff?
So if you were to start writing a novel now, so are you gonna care about what the world or other countries will like to see or be in your Novel OR rather what your country and its people will like to see? I mean is your country so the culture is in you.
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Exactly….Wait what? Who's this 50%? I'm sure Japan population alone don't make up 50% of the world.
ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaaaa holy shit
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@Cyan:
ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaaaa holy shit
Don't know what's so funny. I understand what my bro Monkey King meant, I just wanted to post that.
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Oda is japanese and author of One piece, so why should he care about the rest of the world?
i was being sarcastic , women's inferiority to men in combat is a common sense inside japan and outside so it's not a "japanese" thing
what oda cares about is up to him for all that matters he could create a world where women are the dominant gender and no one will ever care as long as the story is good -
@Cyan:
ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaaaa holy shit
Are you rocking Willie?
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He's being portrayed as a clumsy guy one day and a logical one the other one and somehow he reminds me of the Ds (This is getting out of hand)
I dont get it.. one day and then the other.. I think a few hours has passed
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@Monkey:
I think the people who he should be caring more about is specifically about 50% of that world.
I wonder what the OP Male-Female reader/watcher ratio is around about though.
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I just realized that Ace bounty was 550million beri and Ace father Roger was revealed to the world in Chapter 550. I see you what you did there Oda.
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@Monkey:
I think the people who he should be caring more about is specifically about 50% of that world.
I think people that he should be caring more about is ones that pay his bills.
See, here's a thing: His target audience enjoys that stuff. Majority of people that read it don't care. He makes more money of it than any of us. Capitalism in working: Why would he change it? Because vocal english speaking minority wants it? That's not a good business model, no matter how you look at it.
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I think people that he should be caring more about is ones that pay his bills.
See, here's a thing: His target audience enjoys that stuff. Majority of people that read it don't care. He makes more money of it than any of us. Capitalism in working: Why would he change it? Because vocal english speaking minority wants it? That's not a good business model, no matter how you look at it.
I'd have to agree with you here, considering that article at the end of last year that put One Piece sales down as 345 million worldwide, 300 million of which were in Japan alone.
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You make it sound like Oda though this through. He just draws and japanese enjoy.
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I'd have to agree with you here, considering that article at the end of last year that put One Piece sales down as 345 million worldwide, 300 million of which were in Japan alone.
It's precisely because he is such a big hit in Japan that he should be trying to be putting more gender equality into his work, or at least be making more of an effort.
I doubt the misogyny is the only reason people read One Piece in Japan, nor would I think people would drop it if he adds scenes that show women in a stronger light. And obviously people are voicing their opinion from a moralistic PoV.
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It's precisely because he is such a big hit in Japan that he should be trying to be putting more gender equality into his work, or at least be making more of an effort.
I doubt the misogyny is the only reason people read One Piece in Japan, nor would I think people would drop it if he adds scenes that show women in a stronger light. And obviously people are voicing their opinion from a moralistic PoV.
I can see where you're coming from, but I can't blame the guy for not feeling the need to go in a more progressive direction when he's already writing the most successful manga of all time.
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I can see where you're coming from, but I can't blame the guy for not feeling the need to go in a more progressive direction when he's already writing the most successful manga of all time.
I'm with RamistaR actually and bet Oda himself doesn't even realize he's doing it. Feel like the only way this direction would occur is if Oda gets a progressive editor that recognizes misogyny as a social issue or he gets a lot of fan mail asking for more gender equality.
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I'm with RamistaR actually and bet Oda himself doesn't even realize he's doing it. Feel like the only way this direction would occur is if Oda gets a progressive editor that recognizes misogyny as a social issue or he gets a lot of fan mail asking for more gender equality.
Yeah, I'd agree with this.
I doubt Oda is going out of his way to do things that can be perceived as misogynistic or whatever.
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Actually, thinking about it, Wano might be an interesting place where Oda might address some of these issues. Given Kinemon's reaction to women in Punk Hazard, there could be some pro-women messages, albeit for very old-school misogyny and not the misogyny undercurrent that's portrayed in the manga at times.
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Actually, thinking about it, Wano might be an interesting place where Oda might address some of these issues. Given Kinemon's reaction to women in Punk Hazard, there could be some pro-women messages, albeit for very old-school misogyny and not the misogyny undercurrent that's portrayed in the manga at times.
Yeah, I could see this happening.
Tbh I feel like Oda (despite people taking it the other way) was actually having a bit of a laugh about typical misogynistic values with the whole Franky Vs. Senor Pink fight.
Typical uber manly dialog, woman swoos etc. followed by Nipple lights Vs. Diaper Bombs.
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He probably just write what the way he likes without thinking to much about it. His success give him that right.
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Really, it's actually kind of baffling that there are people defending the misogyny as if it was one of the main reasons One Piece is successful.
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Really, it's actually kind of baffling that there are people defending the misogyny as if it was one of the main reasons One Piece is successful.
Who's defending the misogyny?
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Who's defending the misogyny?
Maybe defending isn't the right word.
More like saying "it's fine, because his work is aimed at the Japanese and it's successful".
It's a whole kind of thinking based on stereotypes.
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I think the word misogyny and One Piece shouldn't be in the same sentence.
What's so terrible that Oda does to female characters that he doesn't do to male characters?
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I don't know, i always thought people looked too much into the 'misogyny traits' of One Piece. I haven't found something that i would mark as offensive in the manga.
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Maybe defending isn't the right word.
More like saying "it's fine, because his work is aimed at the Japanese and it's successful".
It's a whole kind of thinking based on stereotypes.
The Japanese are more lax about perceived misogyny seemingly, that's about the size of it.
Some people's definitions of misogyny are pretty different though.
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Some times changes are good, but doubt they will gamble OP like that.
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Actually, thinking about it, Wano might be an interesting place where Oda might address some of these issues. Given Kinemon's reaction to women in Punk Hazard, there could be some pro-women messages, albeit for very old-school misogyny and not the misogyny undercurrent that's portrayed in the manga at times.
Huu, seems like im not the only who have though of this. It would be hillarious if Nami would be taken into some feminish movement in Wano.
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He probably just write what the way he likes without thinking to much about it. His success give him that right.
Yeah Oda never thinks about social issues in his manga like racism or political conflict.
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@Monkey:
Yeah Oda never thinks about social issues in his manga like racism or political conflict.
A) You don't know if Oda considers gender relative stuff to be a social issuse. My guess would be not.
B) Adressing said social issues does not transalate automaticaly into story being good. Fishman Island is the best example of that.
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Maybe defending isn't the right word.
More like saying "it's fine, because his work is aimed at the Japanese and it's successful".
It's a whole kind of thinking based on stereotypes.
Oh, it isn't fine.
Welcome to life: It's not fair.
This forum has little over three thousand active users, and even then it is unable to come up with unified stance on the issue: Why do you think people care?
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A) You don't know if Oda considers gender relative stuff to be a social issuse. My guess would be not.
Zoro and Kuina's backstory.
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Too bad Kuina died by falling down some stairs.
Women…
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Too bad Kuina died by falling down some stairs.
Women…
Stairs can be tough though. Just like doors.
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Doesn't misogyny mean hating women for no reason? When was that reflected in OP?
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@superv:
Doesn't misogyny mean hating women for no reason? When was that reflected in OP?
But it can be manifested in many different ways. Violence, objectification, sex discrimination… It's misogyny if Oda gives females big boobs because he hates them. Or whatever.
Since this part is hard to prove it's left open to interpretation and there are always people who see things as more then they actually are.
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@superv:
Doesn't misogyny mean hating women for no reason? When was that reflected in OP?
Yeah, I'll admit misogyny could be too strong a strong word to use for the situation.
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Zoro and Kuina's backstory.
Shame he had managed to subvert the message of that little part. Several times.
Or are you saying that he is aware and chooses to do his part anyway?
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A) You don't know if Oda considers gender relative stuff to be a social issuse. My guess would be not.
B) Adressing said social issues does not transalate automaticaly into story being good. Fishman Island is the best example of that.
A) It's a social issue no matter what the heck you think about it lol. What a nonsensical thing to say.
B) That was the best thing about that arc. The problems with it had nothing to do with that at all. I've found myself enjoying the arc more in thinking about the ethno/racial stuff it brings up…. then actually reading it. The flashbacks mostly. -
What if Oda said he doesnt give a fuck if he is seen as a misoginist on an SBS. What then?
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@Monkey:
A) It's a social issue no matter what the heck you think about it lol. What a nonsensical thing to say.
Sigh The fact that they are doesn't change the fact that they can be considered to be a non-issue by the author, in line with his personal beliefs.
Or do you think Oda is somehow above, for example, members of this forum that keep preaching that what he does is totaly okay and that the problem does not exist? He is not above human faults, for christ sake.
@Monkey:
B) That was the best thing about that arc. The problems with it had nothing to do with that at all. I've found myself enjoying the arc more in thinking about the ethno/racial stuff it brings up…. then actually reading it. The flashbacks mostly.
Hmph, personally I considered it to be a little bit forced. The issue in and of itself is interesting, but the way it was presented didn't especially grabbed me.
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I think people that he should be caring more about is ones that pay his bills.
See, here's a thing: His target audience enjoys that stuff. Majority of people that read it don't care. He makes more money of it than any of us. Capitalism in working: Why would he change it? Because vocal english speaking minority wants it? That's not a good business model, no matter how you look at it.
I would agree with you on your first sentance if Oda just started his career. Now Oda has reached to the point he doesn't care how many people who buy or how many volumes he sales. Oda is at that stage were he takes his time to do things the way he likes or feel better, in short "Oda's pace".
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@Monkey:
Yeah Oda never thinks about social issues in his manga like racism or political conflict.
The things you mentioned are probably other reasons that made him to write One piece or prolong it longer than it should've lasted in his first initial plans just so he could touch on those topics you mentioned above.
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Huu, seems like im not the only who have though of this. It would be hillarious if Nami would be taken into some feminish movement in Wano.
If that were ever to happen in One Piece, ever, at all…
I would imagine that Nami would inspire the women of Wano to take a stand for their rights and dress like Nami, passing the whole thing off as a fanservice gag.