I wonder if people like Robby and Cyan make alts just to troll this thread.
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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Unlike Ace and Whitebeard, there's no real reason to kill off Jinbe.
I usually don't discuss your logic King, but that argument is just wrong. I'm sure that Jinbe will live though.
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well, there's no boring strawhat yet.. so maybe jimbei will fill that role? /sarcasm
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I usually don't discuss your logic King, but that argument is just wrong. I'm sure that Jinbe will live though.
Really, Jinbe is the most important character I know who can bring the racial relationship aspect to the forefront of the plot. If Oda really plans to develop this plot point, he kinda needs somebody to do it.
Kinda like the true history plot point needs Robin alive in order to develop it. If she dies, what now?
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And?
Ok that's 4 "funny" moments and?
I mean do u imagine that like all the time?
I don't get i, how can u imagine that someone like Jinbe will actually join, he has respect for luffy ok but he doesn't see him like the crew.Remember the "fight" luffy-jinbe on the fishman island? My god…
"little brat"... How that **** could jinbe fit in LUFFY's crew.
I really think something is gonna happen to jinbe, mb he isn't going to die ok but something is gonna happen.I'm seeing a lot of people speaking about Viola powers "gonna ruin the adventure blabla ect..", having jinbe with them isn't? That guy is what, 40-50years old?
"Eh Luffy! Do you see that place?, cuz i've already been there Kappa".We will propably see, as someone said, a development about the relation "humain-fishmen" but i don't think AT ALL about jinbe actually joining the crew, they'll be very close ect.. whatever you want but that's it
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Really, Jinbe is the most important character I know who can bring the racial relationship aspect to the forefront of the plot. If Oda really plans to develop this plot point, he kinda needs somebody to do it.
Kinda like the true history plot point needs Robin alive in order to develop it. If she dies, what now?
Sure, it's just that you made it sounds like Ace's entire screentime was an obvious foreshadowing of his death, as opposed to Jinbe. I can't agree with that, Ace was just as alive as Jinbe when he was alive. He had no "reason" to die as you said.
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Gee I wonder if Oda held off on Jinbe joining so that his strength and knowledge didn't get in the way of anything. Gee I wonder.
EDIT: I think, retroactively, Ace is one of those characters you can now look at and see DEATH written all over his face. It's still pretty shocking, but it's now very obvious to see that he wasn't meant to live.
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When I get banned for having immensely shitty opinions I'm going to create a new account and name it "Cyan D. Funk2" because then clearly it'll show I'm willing to change my ways.
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@MOI:
I mean, let's be honest… Jinbe? That guy doesn't fit at all in the crew, he's the serious guy, what will he really bring in the OP atmosphere?
What the fuck is Robin doing there then?
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What the fuck is Robin doing there then?
She introduces another story-line. Before her, OP was : Pirate King, after we have another major purpose : the hole in History, antics weapons ect…
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@MOI:
She introduces another story-line. Before her, OP was : Pirate King, after we have another major purpose : the hole in History, antics weapons ect…
Robin is one of the most important caracter in OP, because of that.And there's nothing else to Jinbe than being a serious fat fuck fish?
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And there's nothing else to Jinbe than being a serious fat fuck fish?
I mean, wait!
I haven't said that Jinbe isn't an important caracter, i'm just saying that he brings less than Robin and.. he just doesn't fit in the crew, i said why before. I think they, SH and Jinbe, will have a strong relationship (blabla fishman-human, ect…) but, i hope, he'll not join the crew (imo he'll die). -
Jinbe isn't fat he's just big boned. You anti-Jinbe people are all the same.
@Cyan:
When I get banned for having immensely shitty opinions I'm going to create a new account and name it "Cyan D. Funk2" because then clearly it'll show I'm willing to change my ways.
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@MOI:
I mean, wait!
I haven't said that Jinbe isn't an important caracter, i'm just saying that he brings less than Robin and.. he just doesn't fit in the crew, i said why before. I think they, SH and Jinbe, will have a strong relationship (blabla fishman-human, ect…) but, i hope, he'll not join the crew (imo he'll die).Like you said, Robin's role is super important, it's kind hard to have a bigger role than her's. And about being too serious, Jinbe had a lot more funny moments during his brief screentime than Robin (relatively speaking), only now she's been loosing it up a little.
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Sure, it's just that you made it sounds like Ace's entire screentime was an obvious foreshadowing of his death, as opposed to Jinbe. I can't agree with that, Ace was just as alive as Jinbe when he was alive. He had no "reason" to die as you said.
Actually it kinda was. After Ace hangs around with Luffy's crew he tells him, "Oh, and by the way, I'm trying to chase after that Blackbeard guy."
And the cover story after that was him chasing after Blackbeard.
Then he got defeated by Blackbeard, and the rest of his time was spent waiting for his execution. -
Here we go with the Jinbe's gonna die theories again…it's like once Luffy asked Jinbe to join the crew, the "Jinbe will never be a Strawhat" crowd just decided he'll die as a defense mechanism.
Also Ace did have Death written all over him. The Ace of Spade card represents death in some instances, and that was the characters name and his previous crew's , respectively. Take his trademark Tattoo for example with the S crossed out , one could argue Oda was always planning to introduce Sabo to fill the void of Ace's eventual death, but that's getting off topic.
With recent happenings of the manga , I have a feeling Jinbe will be making an appearance very soon.
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When Jinbe dies will they eat him as fish sticks? Do fishmen make for good seafood?
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Sure, it's just that you made it sounds like Ace's entire screentime was an obvious foreshadowing of his death, as opposed to Jinbe. I can't agree with that, Ace was just as alive as Jinbe when he was alive. He had no "reason" to die as you said.
- One of the first Ace scenes had people thinking he had died.
- Ace of Spades represents death.
- The "Vivre Card burns down if the owner dies" information, which had to lead somewhere.
Not really obvious at first time, but at hindsight…
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@MOI:
And?
Ok that's 4 "funny" moments and?
I mean do u imagine that like all the time?
I don't get i, how can u imagine that someone like Jinbe will actually join, he has respect for luffy ok but he doesn't see him like the crew.Remember the "fight" luffy-jinbe on the fishman island? My god…
"little brat"... How that **** could jinbe fit in LUFFY's crew.
I really think something is gonna happen to jinbe, mb he isn't going to die ok but something is gonna happen.I'm seeing a lot of people speaking about Viola powers "gonna ruin the adventure blabla ect..", having jinbe with them isn't? That guy is what, 40-50years old?
"Eh Luffy! Do you see that place?, cuz i've already been there Kappa".We will propably see, as someone said, a development about the relation "humain-fishmen" but i don't think AT ALL about jinbe actually joining the crew, they'll be very close ect.. whatever you want but that's it
I thought people like you died out a long time ago. Maybe 3 or 4 years from now you're going to look back at this post and think "I really didn't understand the structure of the story as well as I thought I did."
Jinbe isn't going to die. Ace was a character people argued may die for a long time. I certainly didn't believe it before it happened but the whole older brother mentor figure with a name that basically means death, well it makes sense now. Jinbe is a different beast entirely. If not being silly enough with too much world knowledge is your main argument against him you've got to really re-evaluate the whole crew.
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Jinbe will join the Strawhats, but when he tries to go through the doors of the Sunny, he finds out that he can't fit. He will try to force his way through, but Franky's carpentry is too strong and Jinbe breaks his neck and dies.
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Actually it kinda was. After Ace hangs around with Luffy's crew he tells him, "Oh, and by the way, I'm trying to chase after that Blackbeard guy."
And the cover story after that was him chasing after Blackbeard.
Then he got defeated by Blackbeard, and the rest of his time was spent waiting for his execution.Not sure I understand how it points towards the death of a character in a serie that never had a character dying in the present nor an arc with a sad ending.
I'm not saying that clue of Ace's death are inexistence. Just that you can see them only after Ace's death. You know, when you marathon One Piece for the first time.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
- One of the first Ace scenes had people thinking he had died.
- Ace of Spades represents death.
- The "Vivre Card burns down if the owner dies" information, which had to lead somewhere.
Not really obvious at first time, but at hindsight…
-yeah and I'm sure you treated those people like predicators at the time. While you treat the weirdos that want Jinbe dead like the weirdos they are
-good point, not sure it gives away his death though, it's just a foreshadowing. Something you don't see when you marathon the serie for the first time
-Why would that somewhere be Ace's death ?Anyway, I'm sure you can find just as many reasons for Ace to live. In the end he died and it was foreshadowed by his name. It was hardly "writen all over his character".
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Jinbe's might be the last and only one to join. The rest can just be part of Luffy's armada/allies. Baby5's personality would have been perfect for the SH's. To bad she's loyal to Doflamingo. I'm still hoping for a dwarf to join though.
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- One of the first Ace scenes had people thinking he had died.
- Ace of Spades represents death.
- The "Vivre Card burns down if the owner dies" information, which had to lead somewhere.
Not really obvious at first time, but at hindsight…
I wasn't reading OP at that time, but I'm pretty sure that If somebody mentioned this, he will definitely and without question get destroyed for such bull crap.
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Jinbe's might be the last and only one to join. The rest can just be part of Luffy's armada/allies. Baby5's personality would have been perfect for the SH's. To bad she's loyal to Doflamingo. I'm still hoping for a dwarf to join though.
Oda confirmed more than one new crewmate with "successively".
And there's also Teach + 10 Captains, so Luffy needs 2 more people to equalize.
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Oda confirmed more than one new crewmate with "successively". And there's also Teach + 10 Captains, so Luffy needs 2 more people to equalize.
Well if it's confirmed to be more than 1 new member, then that would be nice. As long as it's not Momonosuke, in my opinion.
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After this weeks chapter and Trebols words on wanting Ope Ope no mi I wonder if after Doflamingos/ Laws flashback we will change perspective on Doflamingo putting Aces devil fruit as main prize in tournament.
Perhaps Law being new user of Ope Ope afte imo Corazon had it and also given a fact that Law inherited Corazons will makes it more difficult for Doflamingo to simply slaughter Law as he had many occasions to do so till now.
We sure can say that Doflamingo holded himself back considering killing Law and beside him being exsubordinate of his maybe its also because of nostalgia of sorts over Corazon.
Also I think that Corazon somehow sacrificed himself for people/Law and it was not straight up Doflamingo finishing off his brother(though its just expectation of mine and Oda often
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Ace's introduction was before Oda proved he didn't like to kill characters, so while the notion may have been laughed at, it may not have been initially dismissed.
The thing is, someone could say, "hey this Ace guy has a strong death motif. what's up with that? You think he'll maybe die?" This isn't too far-fetched. Remember, I think most people in this thread support the idea that Shanks is going to die to Blackbeard. Some may even believe Shiliew will kill Mihawk. I think everyone assumed that Whitebeard would die too. He was introduced ill and was considered the strongest pirate in the world and the closest to finding One Piece. His death makes thematic sense.
We're not against death in One Piece, but we recognize when it is unnecessary, and thus in accordance with Oda not likely to happen.
Let's get this out of the way: Shanks is believed to die to Blackbeard because he is the mentor figure. He is Luffy's idol. Ace's death is more tied to Sakazuki. While Luffy despises Teach, I don't think he does to the level of Sakazuki. Again, Shanks is the mentor figure. He also has beef with Blackbeard. They will fight. (Luffy can't also return the hat, he's THE Strawhat. But that's a whole other thing).
Mihawk is close to Zoro. He trained under Mihawk. Zoro wants to be the greatest swordsman in the world, Mihawk currently holds that title. Luffy is really the only one with a vendetta against, well any real end game people. this gives Zoro something else to fight for, and gives more weight to his final fight to be the greatest.
Ace is a character that had a lot of death foreshadowing. His name, his goal. The vivre card. It may not have been obvious at the beginning, and especially later once we saw Oda not kill his characters. But the foreshadowing is there. Where is it for Jinbe? There is no resolve for Jinbe's death. Nothing is gained. Ace's death props up Sakazuki. Shank's inevitable death props up Blackbeard. Do you know what the two have in common? They are end game opponents. They fall at the end of the story. Jinbe dies to prop up… Big Mom? She is dealt with immediately. And soon. Blackbeard has been on a collision course with Luffy since Jaya, Sakazuki since Marineford. The amount of time from those points to the end of the story is quite large. Big Mom is introduced at the end of Fishman Island (about two years ago), and will most likely be taken care of in the next two to three years. She is the first Emperor to fall. There will about four years between her introduction and her defeat.
Why is Jinbe needed to die to this villain? She is an obstacle to the end, not the end itself. She is nothing, and Jinbe will not die to her. He will probably suffer. Big time. Jinbe dying to Big Mom is like Robin dying to CP9. Robin dying, especially when she wanted to live, would be a brutal end for her and make CP9 that much more desirable to take down. But she didn't and neither will Jinbe.
So go on, show me the foreshadowing of Jinbe's death. Tell me why it would be good for the story - thematically and plot wise even. Nothing marks Jinbe for death.
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As someone who was active in this community and other forums at the time of Ace's capture, I can say the following:
Most people believed, by the time the Strawhats were scattered and we learned that Ace was being held captive, that either Whitebeard or Ace would die before that plot was resolved. Very few people expected both to die.
A handful expected him to eventually die as of the conclusion of the Blackbeard fight, because it was obvious that he wouldn't be defeating Blackbeard.I realize this is anecdotal evidence, but I have very little to gain or lose by stating it. Much like how a majority of readers know when someone won't join the crew (Perona, Shirahoshi, Baby 5, etc.) the general consensus is right a surprising number of times.
There are no "death-flags" for Jinbe. Him dying wouldn't motivate Luffy more than Ace's death, and Luffy has already lost a "strong big brother" figure. Ace having fire powers and Jinbe having water powers only helps tie things up neater… Luffy wanted his brothers on his crew, and though they weren't biological brothers, they shared a ceremony to symbolize brotherhood, just like how Luffy and Jinbe are now blood brothers. Everything points to Jinbe joining and adventuring with the crew.
What a shitty writer Oda would be if, after Luffy asks Jinbe to join and Jinbe promises that he will, the "next time Luffy asks," that Jinbe dies before Luffy even sees him. Think about what a terrible anti-climax and nonsensical turn that would be. Oda hands out death the way a job hands out money. When it's earned. The only time his death would have been vaguely believable, narratively useful and/or powerful, would have been at Marinford, when he took the hit for Luffy. Him surviving that (with a scar to match Luffy's!) means that he's not going away anytime soon.
Luffy himself said that he wanted "at least ten friends" to be on his crew*. Oda is a soccer fan, and each team fields eleven players. Blackbeard has ten subordinate captains, apparently drawn from his original crew. What else... oh, the DF numbers theory implies one more Devil Fruit user** and since Luffy asked and Jinbe already said he'd join, that would bring us to eleven as well.
*Don't bring up the ships, title chapters show that they don't count.
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I thought people like you died out a long time ago. Maybe 3 or 4 years from now you're going to look back at this post and think "I really didn't understand the structure of the story as well as I thought I did."
Jinbe isn't going to die. Ace was a character people argued may die for a long time. I certainly didn't believe it before it happened but the whole older brother mentor figure with a name that basically means death, well it makes sense now. Jinbe is a different beast entirely. If not being silly enough with too much world knowledge is your main argument against him you've got to really re-evaluate the whole crew.
And so what? Because i don't agree with you (Jinbefan), i just don't get the OP story? Dude stop acting like a duchbag, i've my impressions, even if sometimes i'm pretty confident on what i'm saying i always imagine that i may be wrong, because who knows, i'm not Oda, you're not Oda.
I want Jinbe to die, i don't know if it's gonna happen (most likely not), and i said why, not only because of his experience, so it's far to be my main argument.
My main one, here it is: He just doesn't fit IMO, and i'm far to be the only one who has that feeling.
If you have another one, it's ok but don't pretend that everyone who doesn't think the same is a idiot.I said much more about Jinbe on precedent posts, so i you wanna know a bit more about the "why does that **** want one of my favourite character to die"…
PS: Sorry for my english, still have a good day.
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Every month I have a deja vu in this thread
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@MOI:
And so what? Because i don't agree with you (Jinbefan), i just don't get the OP story? Dude stop acting like a duchbag, i've my impressions, even if sometimes i'm pretty confident on what i'm saying i always imagine that i may be wrong, because who knows, i'm not Oda, you're not Oda.
I want Jinbe to die, i don't know if it's gonna happen (most likely not), and i said why, not only because of his experience, so it's far to be my main argument.
My main one, here it is: He just doesn't fit IMO, and i'm far to be the only one who has that feeling.
If you have another one, it's ok but don't pretend that everyone who doesn't think the same is a idiot.I said much more about Jinbe on precedent posts, so i you wanna know a bit more about the "why does that **** want one of my favourite character to die"…
PS: Sorry for my english, still have a good day.
Not fitting in the crew is not even a reason for him to die. lol
Jinbe dying defeat the whole purpose of the timeskip.
He doesn't need to die to create hype for the New World or to open up a slot for the next crewmate or to create some kind of drama.–------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny thing, I was pretty neutral about Jinbe joining the crew when I first heard about it.
After seeing so many posts on Jinbe dying, I gladly welcome him in the crew despite him being a bit boring. -
-a random Jinbe hater (obviously a racist) wants to see Jinbe dead to the point that Jinbe's death is a given
-then the average poster explains that Oda is predictable and that Jinbe hasn't death written all over his character…as opposed to Ace
-then I, a fan of both Jinbe and Ace, claim that they are portrayed as living characters as long as they are aliveJinbe will not die because Jinbe is awesome and Ace was a walking dead for Oda only, not for the optimistic readers.
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Baby 5 was such a shame, i felt like she was perfect.
Well played plot, well played.
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This is all I needed to confirm Jinbe's joining of the crew.
And really, because they had a little skirmish he can't join… feel bad for Franky at the moment, since he definitely didn't join the crew, nope.
We have no idea where Jinbe has been in the New World either, nor would that matter. Experience is probably one of the factors why Oda didn't have him join the crew during Fishman Island (along with his crew situation and Big Mom), but that argument is going to be thrown out the window, because by the time he joins, the crew will be experienced enough in the New World. Brook explaining certain mythology also never ruined the adventure for the crew either (the Kraken for instance, and the "ghost" of Vander Decken).
..And there's more to Viola than just ruining the adventure. She's bland, doesn't have an original design, and has no dream that would require or compell her to join the crew.
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Every month I have a deja vu in this thread
I promised myself I would stop with the anti-Jinbe people but then I just lost control. I relapsed. I think I take a lot of my anger towards the One Piece subreddit out here. It's hard to express your opinion there because they'll just downvote you and hide it and it's awful. Monet needs to hurry up and return. I need that vindication.
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@MOI:
And so what? Because i don't agree with you (Jinbefan), i just don't get the OP story? Dude stop acting like a duchbag, i've my impressions, even if sometimes i'm pretty confident on what i'm saying i always imagine that i may be wrong, because who knows, i'm not Oda, you're not Oda.
I want Jinbe to die, i don't know if it's gonna happen (most likely not), and i said why, not only because of his experience, so it's far to be my main argument.
My main one, here it is: He just doesn't fit IMO, and i'm far to be the only one who has that feeling.
If you have another one, it's ok but don't pretend that everyone who doesn't think the same is a idiot.I said much more about Jinbe on precedent posts, so i you wanna know a bit more about the "why does that **** want one of my favourite character to die"…
PS: Sorry for my english, still have a good day.
I'm the last guy who goes around pretending anyone is any idiot for their theories on the story. I don't have the jerk disease. Not anymore anyway. I can't even use harsh language. You don't have to agree with me by any means but you basically described Robin with your explanation on why he doesn't fit the crew. He's more of a straight man like Zoro sure but he's had more face faults in his 3 arcs than Robin has had since her debut. We've already seen hints of his lighter and potential quirky side, you can bet a few hundred chapters from now we'll look back at his whole hang up on naming that plan as the start of some running gag.
Jinbe has experience in the world and so does Robin. Just because they have experience with certain people or places doesn't mean the whole adventure aspect of the story will just vanish. I mean you could almost say Robin was a Revolutionary during her time away from the crew and we know for a fact she has held back lots of information. That's just how Oda is going to write it to keep us guessing and interested. It doesn't matter where she has been(even with Dragon of all people), when Luffy gets there and he's full of wonder, we'll be full of wonder as well. All the while Robin will be there to explain who, what, why, when and where and we'll still enjoy it. Same goes for Jinbe. Or you know, the crew could just travel to other islands that are the territory of Emperors that Jinbe wasn't affiliated with.
Oh and I'm a fan of Jinbe sure but I don't let that cloud my judgement at all. I love each of the straw hats fairly equally and there is not a single character in this entire story that I outright hate. This Jinbe avatar is the first or second time in my 6 year history here that I actually put up a One Piece avatar and I think I voted in the character tournament once in all these years. I could care less about elevating my favorite characters in the minds of others. The story is heading in a way that foreshadows Jinbe becoming a full fledged member and if it wasn't I'd still like him all the same I'd just not debate about his inclusion within the crew.
You however WANT to see him die so it's easy for me to understand how you reach your conclusions.
PS - Your english seems to be just fine.
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Jinbe is obvious. But he was tooo strong to join right away, so Oda is delaying it until the Sh's have leveled up, so that Luffy is still clearly #1, and that the Sanji/Zoro are equal to or greater than Jinbe.
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The way I see it, Oda is collecting a bunch of oddballs in the crew, normal people don't get to join the crew anymore..
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I'm the last guy who goes around pretending anyone is any idiot for their theories on the story. I don't have the jerk disease. Not anymore anyway. I can't even use harsh language. You don't have to agree with me by any means but you basically described Robin with your explanation on why he doesn't fit the crew. He's more of a straight man like Zoro sure but he's had more face faults in his 3 arcs than Robin has had since her debut. We've already seen hints of his lighter and potential quirky side, you can bet a few hundred chapters from now we'll look back at his whole hang up on naming that plan as the start of some running gag.
Jinbe has experience in the world and so does Robin. Just because they have experience with certain people or places doesn't mean the whole adventure aspect of the story will just vanish. I mean you could almost say Robin was a Revolutionary during her time away from the crew and we know for a fact she has held back lots of information. That's just how Oda is going to write it to keep us guessing and interested. It doesn't matter where she has been(even with Dragon of all people), when Luffy gets there and he's full of wonder, we'll be full of wonder as well. All the while Robin will be there to explain who, what, why, when and where and we'll still enjoy it. Same goes for Jinbe. Or you know, the crew could just travel to other islands that are the territory of Emperors that Jinbe wasn't affiliated with.
Oh and I'm a fan of Jinbe sure but I don't let that cloud my judgement at all. I love each of the straw hats fairly equally and there is not a single character in this entire story that I outright hate. This Jinbe avatar is the first or second time in my 6 year history here that I actually put up a One Piece avatar and I think I voted in the character tournament once in all these years. I could care less about elevating my favorite characters in the minds of others. The story is heading in a way that foreshadows Jinbe becoming a full fledged member and if it wasn't I'd still like him all the same I'd just not debate about his inclusion within the crew.
You however WANT to see him die so it's easy for me to understand how you reach your conclusions.
PS - Your english seems to be just fine.
Thanks for your answer,
Sorry for mistaken you with an arrogant man.I've put few words on my texte to be clear about my position : "want to" and "IMO" wich means (in my opinion), ofc i don't think that'll die, i just imagine it (in my human subjectivity) and said that i would want that.
You have spoken about Robin, about her serious way to act ect… (everything i actually reproach to Jinbe) and someone already asked that question to me, here what i said:
"She introduces another story-line. Before her, OP was : Pirate King, after we have anothers majors purposes : the hole in History, antics weapons ect…
Robin is one of the most important caracter in OP, because of that."The fact that i FEEL that he doesn't fit, i mean that's an actual argument because i'm far to be alone on that position, but as i said before, it's just a thought.
I don't know if you noticed it but i've never spoke about "truth" or whatever of that kind, i ahve spoken subjectivly here, i tried to show that to everyone on my texts, seems that i failed.PS: Thanks, i take that as a compliment :)
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Jinbe is the kind of guy who, on his way to confront one of the most vicious pirates on the seas in order to break off his partnership with her, will take a detour to lead a sad stray kitten home. And then spontaneously saves hundreds of lives, by preventing a shipwreck.
Jinbe is a cool dude. Even if he isn't a crazy nutter like Franky or Brook, being just an honest to goodness Nice Guy works well for me. I'm almost looking forward to the focus on his weekly escapades more than the chapters themselves, and look forward to him being allowed the emotional spotlight later on.
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@The:
So go on, show me the foreshadowing of Jinbe's death. Tell me why it would be good for the story - thematically and plot wise even. Nothing marks Jinbe for death.
I don't think he is going to or want Jinbe to die. But saying nothing marks Jinbe for death when the fucker is calling for it since pretty much his first appearance is just false.
-then the average poster explains that Oda is predictable and that Jinbe hasn't death written all over his character…as opposed to Ace
That's funny because Oda has gone out of his way to imply that Jinbe and Ace share the same fate:
- Jinbe was presented caged in the same cell than ace.
- Jinbe was equal in terms of strengh to Ace (They are even drawn in the same position on the floor).
- They both pledged alliance to the antagonist of their heritage. Ace was the son of of WB greatest rival and Jinbe is the heir of Fisher Tiger will.
- Jinbe took Ace place as a "brother" when Luffy needed it the most with the knowlege Ace had given to him about Luffy.
Look, I don't think all of the above has the meaning that I am implying it has, but if you are going to say Ace had death all over his face because of details then Jinbe "Murderers" can say the same about Jinbe.
Also, everybody is doing a good job explaining why Ace and WB death were necessary and meaningful for Luffy and for major antagonists but that doesn't mean that is the only way for Oda to create a meaningful death. For instance Jinbe is part of the most metaforic saga and the only one to remain unfinished wich is Fishman Island could Jinbe death istead of build up of an antagonist be the catalyst for the desruction of Fishman Iland by Luffy's hands? You don't have to agree but at least consider the possibility of Oda doing things differently than previously made.
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Oh don't get me wrong I absolutely love the combat in One Piece. It's so fluid, dynamic, and due to the powers it can get incredibly inventive and chaotic. It's truly unique. I'm definitely hyped up for the fighting itself, but at the same time I'm way more hyped up for everything underneath that. Showing the Straw Hats really going all out against these tough opponents, each one of them built up throughout the story as opposed to just one arc unique to them.
Plus, in light of the revelations we'll get, the fighting itself will definitely be the tip of the iceberg. I'm expecting, franky, for the whole thing to be incredible.
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You know, in stuff like Dragon Ball Z which I also enjoy, I just loved it for the combat. There wasn't too much emotion there on my part.
But with One Piece, every time I see Luffy beat an opponent, it's because of negative emotions I feel toward the villain. I hated Arlong cause of what he did to Nami, I hated Crocodile because of what he did to Vivi, and his attitude in general. Enel I loved, but I also loved seeing him finally getting beat after having his god complex the entire arc. Lucci getting beat was also fairly therapeutic, considering everything he put us through the last two arcs.
With One Piece the different is how emotionally invested I get in the fights. It's cause Oda properly takes time to build up his villains, to build them up to be taken down so everything has weight and meaning behind it. If he can do that for characters in just a single arc, imagine what he'll be able to do for the final villains, having been building them up for the entire story.
Just makes me shudder thinking about it.
Iceburg, Franky? :)
Ye it surely will be epic :D
Sorry for this late joke xD
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Each Bartolomeo I like One Piece more and more. Shololololo !
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Well, i think everyone would agree that the SH needs at least one more girl whoever this is (at first i wanted this girl to be Koala..before we met her)
Not that we need more boobs that's cover only with Nami..(that growth..).But, to make a more balanced group.
I am not especially for Viola, but i must say her power is really interesting and useful, in term of potential.
But, i do love Bartho, even if i doubt he'll be a SH as Viola (now that she got back her family) or anyone seen in this arc.I think I'll never understand "we need more girls in crew" argument. It's freaking pirate crew, 2 girls is already plenty for pirates.
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I don't think he is going to or want Jinbe to die. But saying nothing marks Jinbe for death when the fucker is calling for it since pretty much his first appearance is just false.
That's funny because Oda has gone out of his way to imply that Jinbe and Ace share the same fate:
- Jinbe was presented caged in the same cell than ace.
- Jinbe was equal in terms of strengh to Ace (They are even drawn in the same position on the floor).
- They both pledged alliance to the antagonist of their heritage. Ace was the son of of WB greatest rival and Jinbe is the heir of Fisher Tiger will.
- Jinbe took Ace place as a "brother" when Luffy needed it the most with the knowlege Ace had given to him about Luffy.
Look, I don't think all of the above has the meaning that I am implying it has, but if you are going to say Ace had death all over his face because of details then Jinbe "Murderers" can say the same about Jinbe.
Also, everybody is doing a good job explaining why Ace and WB death were necessary and meaningful for Luffy and for major antagonists but that doesn't mean that is the only way for Oda to create a meaningful death. For instance Jinbe is part of the most metaforic saga and the only one to remain unfinished wich is Fishman Island could Jinbe death istead of build up of an antagonist be the catalyst for the desruction of Fishman Iland by Luffy's hands? You don't have to agree but at least consider the possibility of Oda doing things differently than previously made.
The problem is the plot. Jinbe is literally the only Fishman who can do something about the human-fishman relationship plotline, being the only guy who we can say inherited both Otohime and Fisher Tiger's will.
So yeah, Jinbe can't die until the human-fishman relationship improves, which is something that's been discussed since the Arlong Park arc and got major focus during the Whitebeard War and Fishman Island sagas, and won't happen until near the end of the series thanks to all the connections between the Fishmen and the Void Century.
Basically, there's a bunch of reasons on why it's necessary for Jinbe to be alive instead of being dead, unlike Ace and WB.
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I do agree with you. The thing is, I don't find the theory of Jinbe death so far fetched to the extent of making fun of it as i'm seeing in the last few pages of this thread.
And to contribute to the NSC thread I'm going to share the very known theory of the number of the devil fruits with the thousand sunny added value thing that i've read on 4chan this past days:
It's well known that so far all the names of devil fruits the Strawhat crew has can be read as numbers in japanese as japanese language utilizes a lot of names for the same numbers when counting things:
Gomu-Gomu go = 5 mu = 6
Hito-Hito hi = 1 to = 10
Hana-Hana ha =8 na = 7
Yomi-Yomi yo = 4 mi = 3So there's people who think the next devil cursed strawhat will have a DF wich represents 2 and 9. I myself think is going to be Kinemon with the fuku-fuku no mi (fuku=clothes) as fu = 2 and ku = 9.
The thing that baffles my mind and I'm sorry if has already been mentioned is that if you sum all the numbers:
56
110
87
42
+29
the result is 325.
If you read this number in japanese not as 325 but as indivdual numbers sounds: san-ni-go (sunny-go). And at this point I think it can't be coinidence. -
I do agree with you. The thing is, I don't find the theory of Jinbe death so far fetched to the extent of making fun of it as i'm seeing in the last few pages of this thread.
And to contribute to the NSC thread I'm going to share the very known theory of the number of the devil fruits with the thousand sunny added value thing that i've read on 4chan this past days:
It's well known that so far all the names of devil fruits the Strawhat crew has can be read as numbers in japanese as japanese language utilizes a lot of names for the same numbers when counting things:
Gomu-Gomu go = 5 mu = 6
Hito-Hito hi = 1 to = 10
Hana-Hana ha =8 na = 7
Yomi-Yomi yo = 4 mi = 3So there's people who think the next devil cursed strawhat will have a DF wich represents 2 and 9. I myself think is going to be Kinemon with the fuku-fuku no mi (fuku=clothes) as fu = 2 and ku = 9.
The thing that baffles my mind and I'm sorry if has already been mentioned is that if you sum all the numbers:
56
110
87
42
+29
the result is 325.
If you read this number in japanese not as 325 but as indivdual numbers sounds: san-ni-go (sunny-go). And at this point I think it can't be coinidence.Kin'emon has been doing such a poor job as a new potential crewmate though. He has done nothing at Dressrosa.
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Kin'emon has been doing such a poor job as a new potential crewmate though. He has done nothing at Dressrosa.
There's still time. Not everyone is matched. I think all the subordinates will get a one chapter fight (Lao-G, Dellinger…) And Buffalo could end fighting Kinemon. Also he did find Kanjuurou and even when I can understand that non spanish readers don't get the Mortadelo hype about Kinemon you still have to find the moment he passed as Doflamingo hilarious.
As for being the next crewmate I think he has everything in his favor. How well compliments the other two swordmen of the crew. How he interacted with the whole crew in Punk Hazzard and the fact we still know very little about him wich atlast means we will see more of him in next sagas that can change your mind about him.Also about Kinemon I want to point the dualism with brook:
- Brook was saved by Zoro (He freed his shadow from ryuuma), it's similar to sanji (both dress as gentlemen and are pervs) but has one trait in common with zoro(swordmanship).
- Kinemon was saved by Sanji, it's similar to zoro (he's a japanese styled swordman with lots of pride) but has one trait common with Sanji (Pentvertness).
This is represented by the trios the swordman trio already mentioned and the trio that goes apeshit with momonosuke.
PD: Mortadelo is the most famous comic character of Spain and his "power" is very similar to the one Kinemon has. Basically he can disguise himself as anything. And it's hilarious.
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As for being the next crewmate I think he has everything in his favor. How well compliments the other two swordmen of the crew. How he interacted with the whole crew in Punk Hazzard and the fact we still know very little about him wich atlast means we will see more of him in next sagas that can change your mind about him.
Also about Kinemon I want to point the dualism with brook:
- Brook was saved by Zoro (He freed his shadow from ryuuma), it's similar to sanji (both dress as gentlemen and are pervs) but has one trait in common with zoro(swordmanship).
- Kinemon was saved by Sanji, it's similar to zoro (he's a japanese styled swordman with lots of pride) but has one trait common with Sanji (Pentvertness).
This is represented by the trios the swordman trio already mentioned and the trio that goes apeshit with momonosuke.
What you see as points in favor, I see as points against.
- He's a 3rd pervert.
- He's a 3rd swordsman.
- His fighting style is not distinct enough. Sanji is already the primary fire user, and Zoro is already the power-type swordsman that complements Brook's speed-type swordsmanship.
- He shares a lot of features with Jinbe. Attire, top-knot hairstyle + goatee and honorable personality. He would already fill the typical, traditional oriental-style character spot of the crew.
Basically, he overlaps a lot with the other crewmates, instead of being unique by himself.
And Kanjuro's presence might make his potential decrease a bit too.
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I don't know the exact definition of a crewmate. But Kin arrived at Dressrosa and will surely leave with Luffy. I don't care if he joins since he has already been a main character traveling with the crew for two years. He is great and he is here.
As opposed to Jinbe…or the swirly pirates. I'm really missing them.
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While I can see Kin being another pervert and swordsman as reasons against him, I do think this helps bring a unique dynamic with Brook who really doesn't have anyone on the crew to be best friends with. His fire abilities contrast really well with Brook's ice. They're the same height (pointed out by Brook) which would look well in group shots. And I think his unique Devil Fruit ability can help make his fights distinct from Zoro or Sanji.
Kin has been ignored a lot this last arc, but I'm still holding on to a lot of revelations in Zou or Wano. Luffy's technically asked him already, "The Three Musketeers," Doflamingo and G-5 say he's in the crew, and he has way too many good interactions with so many members.
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I've always enjoyed Jinbe's more serious personality. I also think he's one of the best characters in the series so naturally I would love for him to join the crew.